[00:00] <italomaia_> wow, cool!
[00:00] <NTFS> !ops
[00:00] <NTFS> !ops
[00:00] <jar> :)
[00:02] <italomaia_> jar, i'll be leaving now. Thanks for the help and great night for you
[00:03] <jar> :) Good night
[00:10] <Bitbuck> www.eve-radio.com
[00:10] <Black_Phantom> Hello, How to install xubuntu inside Ubuntu 9.10 ? so that I can easily switch them in the login screen
[00:10] <jar> Black_Phantom, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[00:11] <Black_Phantom> jar: I see, thanks alot.
[00:11] <jar> No problem.
[00:14] <Bitbuck> www.eve-radio.com
[03:07] <owen1> How to uninstall totem? i have 4 related packages - libtotem-plparser12, totem-common, totem-gstreamer, totem-plugins.  i still want to use mplayer though.
[03:08] <owen1> i think it's totem-gstreamer
[03:09] <jar> sudo apt-get --purge remove totem ?
[03:09] <owen1> jar: even if i can't see totem in dpkg/
[03:09] <owen1> +
[03:09] <owen1> ?
[03:09] <jar> Beg pardon?
[03:10] <jar> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[03:10] <jar>   totem* totem-gstreamer* totem-mozilla* totem-plugins*
[03:10] <jar> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:10] <jar> Seems to work for me.
[03:10] <owen1> jar: interesting. thanks
[03:10] <jar> np
[03:13] <owen1> i'll look for the aptitude equivalent for this (since i only use aptitude)
[03:13] <jar> Why?
[03:14] <jar> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude
[03:14] <jar> Now that autoremove is in apt, they're essentially the same thing.
[03:14] <owen1> jar: i heard that aptitude is doing a better job of handeling dependencies.
[03:14] <owen1> let me read your link
[03:14] <jar> That used to be the case.
[03:15] <jar> Ever since Edgy apt has been on part with aptitutde.
[03:18] <owen1> ok, read it. so do u ever used aptitude?
[03:19] <owen1> i want to stick to one of them if possible.
[03:19] <owen1> i used to do install/remove/show/search all with aptitude.
[03:25] <owen1> jar: after reading the link you sent, can i assume that sudo apt-get autoremove app == sudo aptitude remove app +
[03:26] <owen1> ?
[03:29] <jar> oh, sorry owen1
[03:29] <jar> i was away
[03:29] <jar> I use apt exclusively
[03:29] <jar> Yes, apt-get autoremove discards old dependencies
[03:30] <owen1> jar: do u ever use remove? why not using autoremove all the time?
[03:30] <jar> I do.
[03:31] <jar> I use --purge autoremove
[03:32] <owen1> i just looked at the man page for aptitude and couldn't find the difference between remove and purge
[03:32] <danielsevigny> Does anyone know how to install both the 32bit and the 64bit version of python side by side in Karmic 64?
[03:32] <owen1> and when running 'sudo aptitude purge totem' nothing was removed.
[03:33] <jar> I'm not sure if aptitutde supports purge
[03:33] <jar> I don't use it
[03:33] <jar> danielsevigny, No idea - all my computers run in 32bit mode.
[03:37] <AstroTurf> LOL, U ALL RACIST AGAINST MY NEW DISTRO - BLOATBUTU
[03:37] <danielsevigny> No one seems to have any idea...
[03:37] <AstroTurf> I AM REPRESENTATIVE FROM NAACP
[03:38] <AstroTurf> MY SITE: HTTP://U-RACIST.CO.CC
[03:39] <likemindead> !ops
[03:39] <AstroTurf> LIKEMINDEAD
[03:40] <AstroTurf> U RACIST AGAINST ME
[03:41] <likemindead> Sorry, danielsevigny, I don't think that's possible. If so, it's beyond me.
[03:42] <jar> Pici, good to know you're an op for when this crap happens
[05:57] <owen1> how to play an swf file from the browser's cache? i get this in mplayer: '[swf @ 0x883f748]Compressed SWF format not supported'
[05:58] <Sysi> some other player or install codec?
[06:00] <owen1> Sysi: i try with totem as well. what package do i need to install?
[06:01] <owen1> i have xubuntu-restriced-extras
[06:02] <Sysi> something for gstreamer
[06:03] <owen1> Sysi: sudo aptitude search gstreamer shows around 30 packages..
[06:04] <owen1> and about 10 of them are installed
[06:13] <Sysi> if enough discspace you can istall all
[06:13] <Sysi> it might was -bad
[06:13] <Sysi> sorry, need to go →
[06:21] <owen1> Sysi: np. thank
[06:21] <owen1> s
[08:33] <sayyestolife> Greetings.
[08:35] <sayyestolife> I currently have a setup with one hard drive which has windows vista as it's main OS and then a ubuntu installation (done via Wubi). And now I'd like to get rid of the windows OS entirely. Would it be fairly easy to "reinstall" xubuntu via my current ubuntu installation (and also overwrite the windows part etc)?
[08:38] <TheSheep> no
[08:39] <TheSheep> wubi installs inside the windows partition
[08:41] <sayyestolife> Oh, so wubi is "locked" inside the Windows partition?
[08:44] <Balsaq> hiya Sysi!
[08:45] <Sysi> ohai
[09:10] <Balsaq> ungowha
[09:33] <jozefk> hello. my question is if I can have Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus and apps like that on Xubuntu?
[09:34] <TheSheep> yes
[09:34] <TheSheep> you can install anything from ubuntu repositories
[09:35] <jozefk> that sounds great
[09:42] <jozefk> how painful it upgrading from one release to another one?
[09:46] <TheSheep> !upgrade
[09:48] <jozefk> instructions? i didn't ask for instructions but i asked how painful it is to upgrade your system
[09:49] <TheSheep> you can read the instructions and have an idea on how painful it is
[09:49] <TheSheep> I don't feel qualified to assess the pain level for your particular case
[09:50] <Balsaq> there is no pain whatsoever
[09:50] <TheSheep> see how it varies? :)
[09:51] <Balsaq> i sticking with 9.04 though
[09:52] <jozefk> :)
[09:52] <Balsaq> when the updates come in, it offers the upgrade right there...no need to look for it, it comes too you.
[09:53] <jozefk> even if there is it's only twice a year so not that big problem
[09:55] <jozefk> it comes to you and it works?
[09:55] <Balsaq> yup
[09:56] <Balsaq> are you getting the updates regularly?
[09:58] <Balsaq> when you click to accept the updates you will see a box pop up that show the updates being downloaded into your machine...near the top of that box it will offer you to click for the next edition(upgrade)...l just saw it when i accepted an update awhile ago.
[10:01] <jozefk> m8 i am thinking to try Xubuntu. used Arch Linux for a year or so. before that Debian. Before Debian, SuSE
[10:03] <Balsaq> i have tried ubuntu, linux mint, suse, pclinuxos, xubuntu, puppylinux and fedora and xubuntu is the best
[10:03] <Balsaq> linux mint may be the easiest though
[10:05] <jozefk> that's why I'm here :)
[10:06] <Balsaq> i am interested in arch
[10:06] <Balsaq> looks like a lot of work though
[10:07] <jozefk> arch is good. but I just got tired of fixing issues after each upgrade
[10:07] <jozefk> that's why I asked those questions about xubuntu upgrade
[10:08] <Balsaq> i started aith 8.10 and took 9.04 and everything worked
[10:08] <Balsaq> but i have heard a few people complain
[10:09] <Balsaq> but even when i installed xubuntu the 1st time everything worked..printer sound all of it
[10:10] <jozefk> right now i'm typing this from PC-BSD.  I like it but the lack of drivers is an issue. don't have sound. using vesa for graphic :
[10:10] <jozefk> :P
[10:12] <Balsaq> my in laws have a brand new gateway computer...they came over and ran my xubuntu computer and said it was faster, then i told them i was on a 6 year old   2.4 single core with 512rdram...
[10:12] <jozefk> :)
[10:12] <Balsaq> they are on a dual core with 3 gigs or ram and vista
[10:13] <Balsaq> they were shocked
[10:13] <jozefk> vista is *crap*
[10:13] <jozefk> but win7 is good
[10:13] <Balsaq> my xp pro computers run good
[10:14] <jozefk> 7 is better than xp
[10:14] <Sysi> any windows haven't been better for me than xubuntu
[10:14] <jozefk> yesterday i replaced xp with 7
[10:14] <jozefk> doing dual boot
[10:14] <Sahkolihaa> I was unimpressed with 7.
[10:14] <jozefk> any windows is not better than any linux, for me
[10:15] <Sahkolihaa> Especially when it told me to activate again after changing my graphics card. That point I simply said "stuff it" and completely switched to Linux.
[10:15] <Balsaq> i hope 7 is good but i must admit ive lost faith in windows
[10:15] <Sahkolihaa> Gave Ubuntu a try, then Ubuntu Studio, but found I was having too many issues with PulseAudio, so I switched to Xubuntu so I could stick to just ALSA.
[10:15] <Balsaq> if they dump xp support i will boot them out for good
[10:15] <Sahkolihaa> And behold, all my sound issues vanished. :P
[10:15] <Balsaq> xubuntu is really special
[10:16] <Sahkolihaa> I love how booting into Xubuntu with Compiz running only uses 140MiB RAM.
[10:16] <Sahkolihaa> That is simply amazing.
[10:16] <jozefk> i got xubuntu last night. it's only 700MB
[10:16] <jozefk> or less
[10:17] <jozefk> at least i know it fits on 1 cd :)
[10:17] <Balsaq> oh yes 1 cd
[10:17] <Sahkolihaa> I had to file a bug regarding xfce4-panel and Compiz though.
[10:17] <Sahkolihaa> Compiz seems to make the panels switch positions at boot up.
[10:17] <Sahkolihaa> That's the only issue I have.
[10:18] <jozefk> i don't really care about compiz and stuff. even in KDE I switch off all effects and stuff
[10:18] <Balsaq> i tried to what is compiz for?
[10:18] <Balsaq> what is compiz i meant
[10:18] <Sahkolihaa> It's an eye-candy window manager.
[10:18] <Balsaq> o
[10:19] <Sahkolihaa> I have a 9800GT so Compiz has little to no impact on performance.
[10:19] <Balsaq> yeah thats not me
[10:19] <Sahkolihaa> And - KDE. :(
[10:19] <Sahkolihaa> Crashed too much for me.
[10:19] <Balsaq> i am a xfce man for sure
[10:19] <jozefk> some versions - yes
[10:19] <Sysi> only good thing in compiz are window selections
[10:19] <Balsaq> i like pure speed
[10:20] <Sysi> xfce-opacities are soo candy :3
[10:20] <Balsaq> 3:)
[10:20] <Sahkolihaa> I do like how light xfce is though.
[10:20] <Sahkolihaa> I just wish the Xubuntu team would drop some of the GNome stuff and use xfce's software. :/
[10:24] <Balsaq> gotta sleep...later
[10:43] <jozefk> shall it always be free? I mean ubuntu/xubuntu?
[11:17] <Bitbuck> Time for my flight.  Have a good day.
[13:31] <Cyber_Akuma_2> Hey guys, I have been googling but haven't had much luck, are is there any cd coverart I can download to print on my Xubuntu 9.10 cd?
[13:32] <knome> Cyber_Akuma_2, not really.
[13:33] <Cyber_Akuma_2> Heh, ok then, is there anyway I can download the logos/art resources for Ubuntu so I can try to (keyboard: try) make my own? The artwork resources page from the subuntu site just linked me to ubuntu logos and skins/themes for xubuntu
[13:33] <Cyber_Akuma_2> anywhere*
[13:34] <Cyber_Akuma_2> ARGH, sorry, im still waking up, I meant keyword, not keyboard
[13:43] <psycho_oreos> http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.10/Wallpaper/ <--- does these help?
[14:05] <Cyber_Akuma_2> Thanks, but they don't really help, oh well, ill continue trying to google for images, thanks.
[14:05] <knome> psycho_oreos, please link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Karmic
[14:05] <psycho_oreos> knome, o.O err ok, apologies
[14:06] <knome> psycho_oreos, np. :)
[14:07] <knome> not that it mattered a lot, but the first link probably is going to disappear someday
[14:08] <Cyber_Akuma_2> Heh, yeah, saw that one, as I said, it just seems to have themes and its more of a place for people to upload  art :)
[14:12] <knome> Cyber_Akuma_2, there is no official cover art for xubuntu.
[14:12] <knome> Cyber_Akuma_2, you might find some community stuff, though, but i haven't heard of those either.
[14:16] <tpg> good afternoon lads
[19:27] <benchik> hello
[19:28] <benchik> how do i install wifi on xubuntu 9.10? i don't the wifi network icon and locator of wifi routers. i have dell inspiron 11z and i chose: broadcom b43 wireless driver ,in hardware drivers. please help
[19:29] <benchik> do i need to loagout and llogin after driver installation?
[19:29] <likemindead> !ndiswrapper | benchik
[19:30] <likemindead> Those Broadcom chips can be a pain. :-\
[19:30] <benchik> :(
[19:31] <likemindead> Yeah. I usually toss 'em and get a cheap, well supported wifi card from eBay.
[19:31] <likemindead> You can make it work, though. It's just a bit of work.
[19:32] <benchik> the guide is ubuntu oriented, while i run xubuntu. i guess the gui app is DE oriented. no?
[19:33] <likemindead> It's network-manager. Should be the same.
[19:35] <benchik> but the xfce panel's network manager different from gnome's one, no?
[19:40] <benchik> brb
[20:36] <benchik> hello
[20:36] <jar> hey
[20:37] <benchik> i have dell inspiron 11z. the screen brightness buttons show as if it changes, but the screen brightness (on battery) doesn't change
[20:38] <jar> hm
[20:38] <jar> weird
[20:38] <dooglus> I usually have a submenu in my rat menu called 'other' with all my WINE apps on it
[20:38] <dooglus> how can I get it back?
[20:38] <dooglus> but occasionally (like now) the whole submenu is missing
[20:38] <jar> dooglus, did a wine upgrade knock it out?
[20:39] <dooglus> jar: I don't think so.  today's upgrade only updated chromium and tzdata.
[20:39] <jar> hm
[20:39] <jar> well menus are controlled by .desktop files, your wine apps are in your home
[20:40] <dooglus> I'm sure rebooting will fix it - the .desktop (or whatever) files will be fine
[20:40] <dooglus> but I can't reboot right now
[20:40] <benchik> jar: the buttons i'm talking about are the keyboard buttons. and i get xubuntu response in notification windows. but the brightness itself doesn't change
[20:40] <jar> hm
[20:40] <jar> sounds like a kernel problem
[20:41] <jar> acpi
[20:41] <jar> My brightness buttons work fine on my netbook
[20:41] <dooglus> mine do too
[20:41] <benchik> jar: suggestions of action?
[20:42] <jar> benchik, hmm
[20:42] <jar> no clue really, the kernel is entirely up to the kernel developers
[20:42] <jar> you could make a bug report and see what happens
[20:43] <jar> benchik, you could also try a live disk of another distro or dual boot windows to see if it isn;t a hardware problem
[20:44] <benchik> on windows 7 it works fine
[20:45] <jar> Then I would try another live disk to see if it's supported in linux at all.
[20:45] <jar> laptops are tricky thing
[20:45] <jar> +s
[20:45] <jar> sometimes the special buttons work
[20:45] <jar> sometimes.. they don't
[20:45] <jar> Like one or two of my buttons don't work in Linux
[20:45] <jar> but id never use them anyways
[20:50] <benchik> well. if i reboot the correct brightness (according AC/battery) is chosen. good enough i guess
[20:50] <jar> Sounds like the driver isn't up to snuff
[20:50] <jar> not surprising since most laptop manufacturers use custom hardware
[20:51] <likemindead> Yep. :-\
[20:53] <benchik> my touchpad has gestures and some of them work out of the box. impressive
[20:55] <benchik> well,  thanks guys
[20:55] <benchik> good night
[20:55] <benchik> :)
[21:24] <tpg> Anyone here with the EEE PC 1005HA-H on Xubuntu? ^^
[21:24] <jar> tpg, No - but feel free to ask the question.
[21:25] <tpg> jar, Not really a very important question at the moment, and I probably would find it at google. But im sort of wondering about the opinons with the laptop-xubuntu ^^ Im curious to the button functionality to turn off the touchpad oO
[21:26] <jar> tpg, You should be able to.
[21:26] <jar> I run Xubuntu on my Toshiba netbook
[21:27] <Sysi> i have 1005ha and xubu
[21:27] <tpg> jar, hmm I see. Im busy installing Xubuntu on my netbook right now
[21:28] <Sysi> by default disabling touchpad won't work
[21:30] <tpg> Sysi, ah, I heard something about ¨eeecontrol¨ a very long time ago for this kind of thing, is that what I need, or maybe what you use?
[21:31] <Sysi> i don't need that feature
[21:31] <Sysi> neither have eeecontrol
[21:32] <Sysi> i have default xubuntu and governor plugin, which is rather useless
[21:42] <tpg> Sysi, great, I guess ill see if I`ll need that functionality or not when I have installed Xubuntu. Thanks ;)
[21:43] <Sysi> i'd guess it's possible to get work
[21:43] <Sysi> if button is recognised
[22:11] <tpg> this is weird, seems like when I try to install Xubuntu 9.10 on my 1005HA and try to run it with ¨Install Xubuntu¨ or ¨start without making any changes¨ it shows the xubuntu wallpaper thing after a while and then I get a black screen and the cursor seems as if its busy doing something... but its taking ages.... 30mins for sure
[22:18] <m8t> hello, I read somewhere that the installations is ok with a 1.5GB hdd, but during the installation it failed with no space left with a 2GB hdd
[22:24] <m8t> http://xubuntu.com/get it's written here, in minimum system requirements
[22:25] <jar> m8t, That can be read one of two ways.
[22:25] <m8t> i read it black on white :)
[22:25] <jar> But you're right, it should be more clear that it uses more space during the install.
[22:26] <jar> If an install requires 1.5 at the end, it's most certainly going to go over that during the install process.
[22:26] <jar> m8t, You might have better luck with Crunchbang or something without X11
[22:27] <jar> 2GB is not enough for an desktop envrionment.
[22:27] <m8t> i installed from the desktop version, maybe its true for the alternate one
[22:27] <genii> Might want to alter the APT::Archives::MaxSize "500";     apt setting to something less than 500 (Mb)
[22:27] <m8t> it's no problem actually, i upgraded the hdd
[22:27] <jar> hm
[22:28] <jar> I'm not entirely sure what the space used during the install process is.
[22:28] <jar> I'd have to ask a dev.
[22:29] <m8t> i'm doing the installation currently, i can check at the end
[22:30] <jar> end != during
[22:33] <jar> wtf
[22:33] <jar> xfce's clock seems to think today is Friday.
[22:34] <jar> just the tooltip anyways
[22:37] <m8t> after the copy of files is done the disk is filled up at 1.9GB
[22:38] <jar> I'll make a note of that and see if it can get changed..
[22:45] <m8t> now it is downloading extra packages for l10n, with an eta of 12minutes
[22:46] <jar> that's to be expected
[22:52] <m8t> genii: it doesn't look that fixing the max size of archives will help, the disk is already filled over the 1.5GB and there is only 90MB of cached archives, of course i don't know if this is any different to the alternate cd
[22:53] <genii> Hm
[23:13] <m8t> it downloaded 130MB of packages and after the deb installations/configurations the disk tops at 2.5GB and at the end of the installation it is down to 2.4GB
[23:14] <jar> m8t, You can slim it up some more by removing packages.
[23:14] <m8t> it's booting right now on the dd
[23:15] <m8t> but, i wasn't asked for packages to install during the process :/
[23:15] <m8t> and after all, i prefer a full desktop, otherwise i had started off a basic installation and installed Xorg+Xfce (for instance) myself :)
[23:17] <m8t> it's 2.4GB, with a swap partition of 190MB (I have 380MB of RAM, i don't know if that counts like if the swap size is calculated)
[23:17] <m8t> jar: well, that's it, thanks for the follow-up :)
[23:17] <jar> np