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FFEMTcJhey dhillon-v1000:00
dhillon-v10FFEMTcJ, hey what's up00:00
dhillon-v10FFEMTcJ, I didn't you triage bugs00:01
FFEMTcJtryin to00:01
FFEMTcJlol00:01
FFEMTcJis screenlets done upstream? if it isnt then the way it is would be fine.. just needs to be confirmed.00:01
dhillon-v10FFEMTcJ, can you help me out with that bug00:01
dhillon-v10FFEMTcJ, yah that one00:01
lifelessdhillon-v10: so that is an upstream bug tassk; the ubuntu rules for triage * do not apply * to upstreams - they may do it differently.00:08
lifelessdhillon-v10: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screenlets is where you will find the Ubuntu tasks for screenlets.00:09
dhillon-v10lifeless, thanks :)00:09
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feastyHi there. I am looking into how to go about getting started fixing bugs for Ubuntu. Can anyone point me in the right direction to start working on fixing some bugs. I have read the wiki pages but cant seem to see where I would go to pick one up to work on. Can anyone help me please?00:47
lifelessbugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu00:47
lifelesstheres about 100K there to choose from00:47
micahgfeasty: we do bug triage in here, not fixing00:48
feastyah ok00:48
feastysorry00:48
micahghmmm00:48
micahgdo we actually have a place for fixing?00:48
micahg#ubuntu-motu is probably the closest thing00:49
lifelessubuntu-devel, ubuntu-motu00:49
micahgfeasty: ^^00:49
feastyWell im a developer and was looking to help out00:49
micahgfeasty: that's great!00:49
lifelessits not really offtopic for ubuntu-bugs, but the skillset of folk that hang out is different00:49
feastyI was told that fixing was a good way in ubuntu-dev channel00:49
micahgthere are numerous ways to help out00:49
micahgfixing bugs, triage bugs, answering questions00:50
feastyyeah I do a lot of the helping out people with linux in general but I was really looking to program if I can.00:50
micahgfeasty: ok, let's go to #ubuntu-motu00:52
feastyok thanks00:52
feastyshall I just fire my question out in there again?00:53
micahgwell, I'll talk to you over there00:54
feastyok00:54
cdavisWould someone tell me if it appears as though I worked Bug 489726 correctly?01:03
ubot4Launchpad bug 489726 in ebox-dhcp "Can't create PID file /var/run/dhcpd.pid: Permission denied" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48972601:03
cdavisWould someone tell me if it appears as though I worked Bug 489726 correctly?01:03
cdavisWould someone tell me if it appears as though I worked Bug 489726 correctly?01:04
ubot4Launchpad bug 489726 in ebox-dhcp "Can't create PID file /var/run/dhcpd.pid: Permission denied" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48972601:04
cdavissorry01:04
micahgcdavis: looks ok to me, does it work with that change?01:06
cdavismicahg: It appears to. no error in log about pid file and it creates it properly01:08
micahgwell, the pid is hardcoded in a .pm file01:13
micahgI meant the pid file01:14
cdavisI was afraid it might be looking for it like that.01:15
micahgI wonder if it's an apparmor thing01:15
cdavisYes, I believe it is apparmor blocking it01:15
cdavisI guess the other change could be to add that rule to apparmor01:16
cdavisI can work on that and see if it works01:16
micahgwhat's happening, is it trying to start the server?01:16
cdavisebox is starting dhcpd from a custom init script01:17
cdavisand I thikn apparmor is blocking the creation of the pid file in /var/run01:17
micahgcdavis: why should it use a custom script in the first place?01:17
micahgyeah, I just confirmed that apparmor specifies the PID file for dhcpd301:18
cdavisI wondered the same thing, but I don't know much about ebox01:18
cdavisso, should my concentration be on helping the person who filed the bug get it working or figuring out the correct way to fix it moving forward?01:19
micahgcdavis: depends on your goal...from a triage point of view, I think we need to figure out if this is an upstream issue or ours01:20
micahgcdavis: you can certainly mark your fix as a workaround01:20
micahgbut that's not a fix01:21
micahgcdavis: to add a workaround, edit the description and clearly add a WORKAROUND section01:21
cdavisOK.01:25
micahgI'm trying to chat with the ebox people now01:25
micahgif they aren't going to use the system start script, we might need to patch the source01:26
cdavisCan I actually edit my comment or do I need to post another one?01:43
micahgcdavis: you can't edit a comment, you have to edit the description to post a workaround01:43
nigel_nbmicahg: got a min?03:00
nigel_nbbug 430575, I can't understand what the user is trying to say03:00
ubot4Launchpad bug 430575 in gnome-screensaver "CTRL-ALT-L or Fn+F2 does not turn off display backlight" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43057503:00
spOcan one of you work on this bug:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/44023303:10
ubot4Launchpad bug 440233 in fglrx-installer "fglrx fails at startup because of missing amdpcsdb.default + removal leaves bad settings in Xorg.conf" [High,Confirmed]03:10
micahghi nigel_nb03:15
nigel_nbhey micahg :)03:15
micahgspO: you should probably check with #ubuntu-x on Monday03:16
micahgnigel_nb: I think the assumption is that if the screen is black the backlight should be off03:17
micahgnigel_nb: I suggest checking b.g.o for a bug03:17
nigel_nbbgo?03:17
micahgbugzilla.gnome.org03:18
nigel_nbmicahg: ah :)03:18
nigel_nbthis looks like the right one03:21
nigel_nbhttps://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54171703:21
ubot4Gnome bug 541717 in general "'Lock Screen' applet should give option to 'Power Down Screen' - useful for laptops" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]03:21
micahgnigel_nb: looks right, you know how to add an upstream task?03:22
nigel_nbyep03:22
nigel_nbadding03:22
micahgactually not exactly but that would work03:23
nigel_nbtechnically, he's asking for the same thing03:25
micahgyeah, I think we should probably reassign to match upstream03:25
nigel_nbcan you take a look now and let me know if i did everything right?03:25
micahgnigel_nb: I think it's actually gnome-panel03:26
micahgupstream03:26
nigel_nbnot gnome-power?03:26
micahgif lock-screen is to do it, that's part of the panel03:26
nigel_nbupstream bug report mistake03:29
nigel_nbdo you want me report a new bug upstream?03:30
micahgnigel_nb: nah, I can edit it03:31
micahgnigel_nb: wait, what do you mean mistake?03:31
nigel_nbthe person who reported it upstream03:34
nigel_nbreported it against gnome-power03:34
micahgnigel_nb: yes, but the upstream dev moved it to gnome-panel as the lock applet should turn off the backlight03:34
nigel_nbyeah, just noticed that, then why is launchpad not recognizing it?03:35
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micahgnigel_nb: LP picks upstream based on the ubuntu task03:35
micahgI"ll fix it03:35
nigel_nb:) thanks03:36
micahgnigel_nb: fixed and triaged03:37
nigel_nbthanks a lot micah :)03:37
micahgnigel_nb: thank you for finding the upstream :)03:37
nigel_nbmy 2 bits ;)03:38
nigel_nbmicahg: how well do u play chess?03:52
micahgnigel_nb: depends03:52
micahgwhy?03:52
nigel_nbbug 489754, I tried reproducing it, but I think it happens only in one case03:53
ubot4Launchpad bug 489754 in gnome-games "The GNU Chess stops working once you use Ctrl+z. It goes on thinking..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48975403:53
nigel_nbit happens only when u ctrl + z and then take one of the computer's pieces03:53
micahgnigel_nb: you tried on karmic?03:53
nigel_nbI could get to that situtaion only once03:53
nigel_nbyeah karmic03:53
nigel_nbsince I dont play all that well...03:53
micahgnigel_nb: have you checked upstream?03:54
nigel_nbnot yet03:54
nigel_nbohh03:54
nigel_nbchecking03:55
nigel_nbnothing upstream03:57
nigel_nbits a very rare bug03:57
micahgnigel_nb: gnome 59612803:59
ubot4Gnome bug 596128 in General "legal move is not recognized" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59612803:59
nigel_nbmicahg: bingo :)04:00
micahgif only bmo was so easy to search :)04:00
nigel_nbmozilla?04:01
micahgyep04:01
micahgnigel_nb: do you have a gnome upstream account?04:01
nigel_nbyep04:02
nigel_nbif I dont find one, I generally file one04:02
micahgcan you post our LP bug in that upstream and mark confirmed if you can04:02
micahgactually, you probably can't mark confirmed04:02
micahgbut please add our bug link so that upstream can confirm04:02
nigel_nbwill do :)04:03
micahgnigel_nb: can you post the link upstream for that one you did earlier as well?04:04
nigel_nbmicahg: sure.04:04
nigel_nbeh, what do I say?04:05
micahgjust a link to our LP bug, like also reported in Ubuntu: bug link04:05
nigel_nbokay :)04:05
nigel_nbmicahg: done.04:07
micahgnigel_nb: nice :)04:08
nigel_nblearning my way :)04:08
micahgnigel_nb: you're doing great04:08
micahgI'll mark triaged04:08
micahgnigel_nb: what importance do you think it should have?04:08
nigel_nbhonestly, low04:09
nigel_nbmax medium04:09
micahgI'd say medium since it's in main and there's no workaround04:09
nigel_nbbut medium is overkill, it only happens when you alt+z all the time (not always then either)04:09
micahgoh, so it's unusual?04:10
micahgok, Low then04:10
nigel_nbyeah, I've been playing chess for 1 hour04:10
nigel_nbhappened only twice04:10
micahgwow, that's dedication :)04:10
nigel_nbwhen I alt+z'd and then eat one of the computer's pieces04:10
nigel_nbeat/ate04:10
nigel_nbhahaha, nice to triage bugs in games04:11
micahgnigel_nb: BTW, it's generally a good idea to subscribe to what you triage in case there are issues later or if the reporter has questions04:11
nigel_nbshucks.. forgot04:12
micahgnigel_nb: you're doing great104:12
nigel_nb:)04:13
nigel_nbcan someone wishlist bug 489533 for me please05:01
ubot4Launchpad bug 489533 in brasero "When adding files, Brasero should open the file dialog in the same directory as the last time a file was opened" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48953305:01
nigel_nbwb micahg05:57
micahgnigel_nb: hi06:11
nigel_nbnet split?06:12
micahgnigel_nb: no, I went somewhere06:12
nigel_nboh ok06:12
nigel_nbcan you wishlist bug 489533 for me please?06:12
* micahg kicks ubot406:14
micahgnigel_nb: LP seems down06:15
nigel_nboh06:16
nigel_nbyeah :P06:16
nigel_nbthats when i stopped workin06:16
nigel_nbmicahg: I'm thinking of helping out with motu06:16
micahgnigel_nb: cool06:17
nigel_nbhow tough is the road ahead?06:17
micahgnigel_nb: depends what you want to do06:17
micahgjust adding patches and updating stuff is pretty easy06:18
nigel_nbwhat about packaging and maintaining packages?06:19
nigel_nblaunchpad is back up :)06:40
micahgnigel_nb: maintaining isn't too hard07:40
nigel_nbi'm going through the videos now, to get an idea of what needs to be done07:41
micahgnigel_nb: packaiging from scratch can be hard depending on what it is07:41
nigel_nboh07:41
micahgnigel_nb: it can also be easy depending07:42
nigel_nbdepending on the package?07:43
micahgnigel_nb: wishlist done07:43
nigel_nbthank you  :)07:43
micahgnigel_nb: some things are easier to package than others07:43
nigel_nbmicahg: one step at a time thenn07:44
nigel_nb:)07:46
jbichawhenever I press Fn + F5 on my laptop, I end up crashing X08:13
jbichaI believe Fn + F5 is supposed to switch between laptop screen & an external screen08:14
jbichaI think this is part of the problem: [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung08:17
jbichawhat's the best way to report this bug?08:18
micahgI'm checking to see if it's reported already08:18
micahgjbicha: bug 44099708:19
ubot4Launchpad bug 440997 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i915gm] Fn-F5 doesn't switch between inbuilt and aux display" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44099708:19
jbichamicahg: thanks very much08:20
micahgjbicha: np08:20
micahgjbicha: you might want to comment that it is now crashing as well08:20
jbichamicahg: should I attach all those log files myself too?08:21
micahgjbicha: not unless asked, I'd just state your intel driver version08:22
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devtux87Hello18:36
devtux87hi18:37
LimCorehello, Im wondering about the unusuall high reate of bugs in KDE applications in Ubuntu. Are most of them upstream, or are "we (Ubuntu developers18:37
LimCorehello, Im wondering about the unusuall high reate of bugs in KDE applications in Ubuntu. Are most of them upstream, or are "we" (Ubuntu developers) doing sometihng wrong (like shipping unsable versions)?18:38
devtux87Lime i don't think so ubuntu are buggy18:39
devtux87the errors in 80% of the hardware18:39
devtux87wich app is buggy for u?18:40
LimCoreguys in #kde say ubuntu is more buggy the other distros, in terms of bugs in kde applications at least18:40
LimCorewe are talking now on #kde18:40
devtux87:) im luky, im useing gnome :)18:40
devtux87*lucky18:40
LimCorewell I use gnome, bug I use some kde applications18:40
devtux87well in gnome there are a lot's of bug too18:41
LimCorethis "Im a kde/gnome user" thing is quite stupid imho, its like "Im user of applications written in C++ / in C / in Delphi"18:41
devtux87just see gnome commander, the hole program is seriously wrong :S18:41
LimCoreI use some applications, some of them are happened to be using kde,  and this apps crash a lot:18:41
LimCorekrusader - extreamly buggy, I can crash it daily18:42
LimCorekmail - very buggy18:42
LimCoreksysguard - one other example of application with bugs (small bugs, lost of settings, also crashes)18:42
devtux87krusader is better then gnome commander :) try it, please press space in any map, and you will ctach a segmentation fault18:42
devtux87:P18:42
LimCorefor example, this guy seems to be sharing my pain: <Silicium> 9.10 is totally crap  <Silicium> i can report around 4 bugs per day18:43
devtux87and thats a big bug if you moveing files in another map18:43
yofelwell, KDE is a bit buggy in karmic (and lucid so far), but not *that* buggy18:43
LimCorekmail was totally buggy for ever18:44
devtux87the 9.10 is not a very stable release18:44
LimCoreand bugs in krusader I report since 2007. some are still not fixed fully it seems18:44
yofelwell ok, that's one of the kde apps I don't use18:44
devtux87if i use hibernateing, i got a freeze18:44
yofelLimCore: lp or b.k.o?18:44
LimCoreyofel: what?18:44
yofelLimCore: reported on launchpad or bugs.kde.org18:45
LimCoreI report most of my bugs to pl18:45
LimCorepl18:45
LimCorelp.  Damn keyboard.18:45
devtux87:)18:45
yofelwell, hibernate is forever broken here18:45
devtux87:D18:45
yofeljaunty and karmic are much better with suspend at least18:45
LimCorefor me the experience is,  nowdays linuxes are less stable the windows 9818:45
devtux87if i suspend or hibernate in Hardy there is no error18:46
LimCoreI mean the applications / desktops ; not the OS/kernel18:46
devtux87but i cant do in in jaunty and karmic18:46
yofelI don't think I've ever gotten a pc to wake up correctly after a hibernate18:46
LimCoreyofel: I got mine afair18:46
LimCoreor was it suspend to ram, not sure18:46
devtux87in the kernel there are a lots of serious bug18:46
yofelLimCore: true, sometimes I'm really reminded on Win9818:46
yofelespecially with jaunty I had a lot of random hard locks with my thinkpad18:47
LimCoredevtux87: they get patched quickly after discovery18:47
devtux87i have a pci wifi card, and the kernel working harmful if i connect it to the pci bus18:47
LimCorecan't Ubuntu somehow improve QA18:47
yofelLimCore: well, there was some discussion about that on UDS too18:48
LimCoreUDS?18:48
yofelwe'll have to see what comes18:48
devtux87desktop freeze, alternate freeze, debian 5.0 freeze after loading network18:48
devtux87:S18:48
yofelLimCore: ubuntu developers summit18:48
yofelwas 2 weeks ago afair18:48
yofel!uds18:48
ubot4The Ubuntu Developer Summit is being held November 16th-20th in Dallas, Texas, USA. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS for more information.18:48
devtux87well the system is not so good18:49
devtux87i written a c program under jaunty18:49
yofelwell, kubuntu want's to report bugs rather to bugs.kde.org than lauchpad in the future18:49
yofelnot enough manpower18:49
devtux87in jaunty it works well.... but in karmic, it exit by a segfault :S18:49
LimCoredevtux87: what?18:50
devtux87so i turn now to lazarus, it is better18:50
devtux87i was written a program in C18:50
devtux87useing gcc18:50
LimCoredo not use C fool18:50
* LimCore slaps devtux87 with a modern-languages book18:50
devtux87i written it in jaunty, and it works well. then i moved to karmic, when i start my program: Segmentation falut18:51
devtux87:S18:51
LimCorewritting in C is like writting in assembler sort of.  Loosing time on some low-level details18:51
devtux87*fault18:51
yofelhttp://www.kubuntu.org/news/timelord - if you're interested what's going to happen to kubuntu in the future18:51
LimCoredevtux87: you obviously have to recompile right?18:51
devtux87i tryed18:51
devtux87but if i run the program segfault18:51
devtux87:S18:51
LimCorewell.. it was quite possibly a bug in your program18:52
devtux87so i written my program again in lazarus, then it works well18:52
devtux87lazazus is like delphi, it has an fpc engine18:53
LimCoreomg18:53
LimCorePascal is so 1990's18:53
yofelwell, jaunty=gcc4.3 karmic=gcc4.4, and I think 4.4 is more  strict in some cases18:53
LimCoreyou really have bad luck with picking languages18:53
yofelLimCore: pascal isn't that bad.18:53
LimCorewhats next, visual basic? ;)18:53
devtux87maybe Visual C++ :D18:54
yofelLimCore: that's not for linux :P18:54
yofeluse ADA :D18:54
devtux87lol18:54
LimCorewhy not use a reasonable language like C++ or perhaps D18:54
devtux87LimeCore the subsystem in ubuntu is written in C or C++ so dont complain about it :D18:54
LimCoreC++ is reasonable; C is not18:55
yofelwell, as long nobody want's to use java I'm happy ^^18:55
devtux87i think the kernel is written in C18:55
yofeldevtux87: it is18:55
LimCorekernel and embbed are the only use-cases for C18:55
LimCoreand some libs/APIs.  But not applications18:56
devtux87C are a good language if you know what going to do in it18:56
devtux87:)18:56
yofeltrue18:56
devtux87its a very free language!18:56
LimCoresure, a shivovel is a good building tool to build a sky scraper, if you know how to use it. And have x100 more time then needed18:56
LimCore*a shovel18:56
devtux87:)18:57
devtux87now i have to go... bye all have a nice day... :)18:57
LimCorefell freee to waste time on solving 9 memory-management problems and bugs,  per 1 actuall software feauture to implement18:57
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cdavisI tested bug 490093 and I did not experience any problems. I suspect that this might be a user issue of some type but have no idea how to request more info?22:31
ubot4Launchpad bug 490093 in gnome-system-tools "Cannot change password with users-admin (gnome-system-tools)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49009322:31
micahghggdh: around?22:33
cdavishmm, there might be a problem if you hit ok to get out of the user/group manager instead of hitting cancel. let me play some more22:36
micahgcdavis: I wish I had an answer22:36
cdavismicahg: I feel like bug 490093 might be a very quick fix possibly a candidate for the paper cuts?22:48
ubot4Launchpad bug 490093 in gnome-system-tools "Cannot change password with users-admin (gnome-system-tools)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49009322:48
cdavisHave to run tho, be back in a bit22:48
kklimondaany idea what to ask for in bug 487923?23:08
ubot4Launchpad bug 487923 in transmission "bitmaps of "pause torrent" , "remove torrent" and "Properties" disapear from time to time" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48792323:08
hggdhmicahg: I am back23:15
micahghggdh: it's ok, seems like the triager figured it out23:15
hggdhkklimonda: perhaps running from he command line and taking a screen shot?23:17
hggdh(there might be some debug messages written to stdout/stderr)23:18
kklimondahmm, good idea23:19
kklimondaoh ffs, mutt has a built-in editor.. and I can't send mail because F10 launches gnome-terminal menu..23:23
kklimondait was "jed"..23:24

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