[00:00] <henrik_> then download the source of the kernel, sudo apt-get install linux-source
[00:00] <henrik_> move in to the right directory.
[00:00] <henrik_> cd /usr/src/
[00:01] <henrik_> then you unpack the source. sudo tar -xjvf linux-source-2.6.31.tar.bz2
[00:03] <henrik_> sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.31 /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/source
[00:03] <henrik_> go in to your home direcotry and download the latest v4l
[00:04] <henrik_> hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb
[00:04] <henrik_> enter the directory v4l-dvb
[00:05] <superm1> you actually need the source too?
[00:05] <superm1> that doesnt sound right
[00:05] <henrik_> then do sudo make menuconfig, remove the fire dtv
[00:05] <superm1> henrik_, i'm not sure about scan issues btw
[00:05] <henrik_> I needed it..
[00:05] <superm1> you were probably missing one more headers package then
[00:06] <superm1> linux-headers-2.6.31-15-generic
[00:06] <superm1> that would have done the trick
[00:06] <superm1> or linux-headers-$(uname -r)-generic better yet
[00:06] <mechcozmo> so, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)-generic
[00:07] <henrik_> try that out..
[00:07] <henrik_> don't forget to remove the firedtv in sudo make menuconfig
[00:07] <mechcozmo> E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.31-15-generic-generic
[00:07] <mechcozmo> easy fix though :-p
[00:08] <mechcozmo> linux-headers-2.6.31-15-generic is already the newest version.
[00:08] <mechcozmo> seems i already have the headers
[00:08] <henrik_> and when you do the sudo make -j3 if you have a dual core.. alot quicker..
[00:09] <mechcozmo> hah, dual core... you think i have a budget...
[00:11] <superm1> if you had that, the missing one was just "linux-headers-2.6.31-15".  there's that and "linux-headers-2.6.31-15-generic". both have to be installed
[00:11] <mechcozmo> doing this as a proof of concept, if it works well, money can be found to make an HD box when we get an HDTV
[00:11] <mechcozmo> right now, it is getting linux-source
[00:11] <henrik__> I got kicked of the server.
[00:12] <henrik__> superm1, it's not the scan issue right now, it's the signal strength
[00:13] <henrik__> I fixed the scan issue, by getting the new v4l and recompiling the kernel..
[00:13] <henrik__> but the cable has about 75% signal strenght messured, and mythtv only says it's 39%
[00:15] <henrik__> mechcozmo, I have been using mythtv for quite some time now.. it has changed the way I live..
[00:16] <mechcozmo> henrik__: hoping to make such an impression here, too
[00:17] <mechcozmo> henrik__: i've got the kernel unpacked and the symlink made... where do i go from there?
[00:17] <henrik__> My kids however have been very spoiled, in there world you never need to look when something is on and then adjust.. they just want to be able to se any show when ever..
[00:17] <henrik__> home directory
[00:18] <henrik__> and download v4l
[00:18] <mechcozmo> ok, so i still need to do that step
[00:18] <henrik__> hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb
[00:18] <henrik__> yes..
[00:18] <henrik__> the step with the source was the step that might could have been avoided..
[00:18] <henrik__> but no harm..
[00:18] <mechcozmo> henrik__: wasn't sure if superm1 was referencing this step or not
[00:19] <henrik__> and he is problebly right, he always is, but I was not able to get it to work that way..
[00:19] <henrik__> this morning..
[00:19] <mechcozmo> don't have hg, do i need to install mercurial?
[00:19] <henrik__> yes
[00:20] <mechcozmo> what is mercurial?
[00:20] <henrik__> a program to check out source
[00:20] <henrik__> cvs program..
[00:20] <mechcozmo> all used to git and svn here...
[00:21] <henrik__> I don't know why some use svn and some hg..
[00:22] <mechcozmo> bah, need to install ncurses
[00:22] <henrik__> v4l has been on hg for as long as I have known..
[00:22] <henrik__> :)
[00:22] <henrik__> yes
[00:22] <mechcozmo> sudo apt-get install ncurses?
[00:22] <henrik__> ncurses-dev
[00:22] <henrik__> even
[00:23] <mechcozmo> k
[00:23] <mechcozmo> trying again...
[00:23] <henrik__> have you checked out v4l?
[00:23] <mechcozmo> yes
[00:23] <henrik__> and make?
[00:23] <mechcozmo> yup
[00:23] <mechcozmo> i am looking at the menu screen now
[00:24] <henrik__> good..
[00:24] <mechcozmo> is the fire dtv somewhere among these menus?
[00:25] <henrik__> under multimedia support
[00:25] <henrik__> in the bottom
[00:25] <henrik__> ops forst multimedia support, then dvb/atsc adapters
[00:26] <henrik__> then in the bottom of that list
[00:26] <mechcozmo> found it
[00:26] <henrik__> just prace space on that module, there are no headers for it so it will halt the next process
[00:26] <henrik__> good!
[00:26] <mechcozmo> any other options to change?
[00:26] <henrik__> just press space on it and the M will be removed
[00:26] <henrik__> nope
[00:26] <henrik__> just exit and save changes
[00:27] <mechcozmo> done
[00:27] <henrik__> what cpu do you have?
[00:27] <mechcozmo> Athlon 2500+ or 2600+
[00:28] <henrik__> only one core right..
[00:28] <mechcozmo> i686 but elderly
[00:28] <mechcozmo> oh my yes
[00:28] <henrik__> then just write make
[00:28] <mechcozmo> no sudo?
[00:28] <henrik__> 'make'
[00:28] <henrik__> no unless you did the hg with sudo
[00:29] <mechcozmo> no
[00:29] <henrik__> then 'make'
[00:29] <henrik__> when that is done 'sudo make install'
[00:29] <mechcozmo> in FreeBSD this process would be "cd /usr/ports/multimedia/v4l; make install clean"...
[00:30] <henrik__> ohh..have not been involved with *bsd
[00:30] <mechcozmo> it's actually annoying how different they are while still being so similar
[00:30] <mechcozmo> i really enjoy working with FreeBSD
[00:30] <henrik__> then sudo make load
[00:30] <henrik__> after that do a cold start..
[00:30] <mechcozmo> it's still making
[00:30] <henrik__> I know :)
[00:31] <henrik__> power off, unjack the power cord.. so it gets in a cold state
[00:31] <mechcozmo> :-p
[00:31] <henrik__> power coard out, and at the same time press the power button
[00:31] <mechcozmo> how long did this process take on your machine?
[00:32] <henrik__> that takes out the power from the conducturs
[00:32] <henrik__> Don't know quite fast
[00:32] <mechcozmo> and what hardware do you have?
[00:32] <henrik__> amd x2 somethign
[00:32] <mechcozmo> ah
[00:33] <henrik__> I just got a new pc for my htpc..
[00:33] <henrik__> I need to have vdpau support
[00:33] <mechcozmo> for HD?
[00:33] <henrik__> yes
[00:33] <mechcozmo> very nice
[00:34] <henrik__> And then I have one hauppauge win nova t-500 and then this 1300
[00:34] <henrik__> So right now I have 3 dvb-t tuners
[00:34] <mechcozmo> this is my grandfather's old PC that i found extra RAM for and an IDE hard drive that wasn't quite dead yet
[00:35] <mechcozmo> how are those HD tuners working?
[00:35] <henrik__> hd tuners??
[00:35] <henrik__> this is no hd tuners..
[00:35] <mechcozmo> they are HD, aren't they?
[00:35] <mechcozmo> oh
[00:35] <henrik__> however they don't really care
[00:35] <henrik__> they can handle mpeg4 and mpeg2 accoring to the hardware in the computer
[00:35] <mechcozmo> then why the need to handle HD?
[00:35] <henrik__> as long as it's not dvb-t2 there is no problem
[00:36] <henrik__> well.. I can watch hd from tv with the card..
[00:36] <henrik__> and I can watch movies thru the system that is in 1080p
[00:36] <mechcozmo> ah, ok
[00:36] <mechcozmo> how do those cards work for you?
[00:38] <henrik__> well the other works really good..
[00:38] <henrik__> I'm just having problem with the 1300 with the signal quality..
[00:39] <mechcozmo> that start recently?
[00:39] <henrik__> If I don't get this solved I might just have to go and get anohter t-500
[00:39] <henrik__> mechcozmo, sorry don't understand
[00:40] <mechcozmo> did the 1300 signal problem start recently, or did it never work well?
[00:40] <henrik__> Just got the damn card..
[00:40] <henrik__> so I have never had it before.. the t500 is my old card
[00:40] <henrik__> my fist digital card
[00:42] <mechcozmo> ah, ok
[00:42] <henrik__> mechcozmo, how is it going.. its getting close to 2am here :)
[00:42] <mechcozmo> henrik__: it is still 'make'ing
[00:42] <henrik__> Was planing on getting some sleep tonight ;)
[00:42] <henrik__> nice..
[00:42] <mechcozmo> up to stage 2
[00:42] <mechcozmo> building modules
[00:43] <mechcozmo> good thing the PVR500 does hardware MPEG-2 or this computer would die so hard... :-p
[00:43] <mechcozmo> do you run frontend separate from the backend?
[00:44] <henrik__> well don't count on it.. the mythtv is quite efficient
[00:44] <henrik__> well my backend also is working as frontend.. but then I have 4 other frontends connected to the backend
[00:44] <mechcozmo> ok
[00:45] <mechcozmo> i have an EPIA MII10000 i am using as a frontend
[00:45] <mechcozmo> thinking about running Mythbuntu off of a 4GB Microdrive i had to save cost, power, and noise
[00:46] <henrik__> will problebly do it for you.. those via is quite nice
[00:46] <mechcozmo> hooray, it is done
[00:47] <mechcozmo> ok, now i need to go find the computer to restart it :-p
[00:47] <henrik__> have you done the sudo make install?
[00:48] <mechcozmo> yes
[00:48] <mechcozmo> and sudo make load
[00:50] <henrik__> good cold start now..
[00:51] <mechcozmo> it is back up
[00:51] <mechcozmo> anything else to do, or scan for channels?
[00:51] <henrik__> just scan for channels
[00:52] <mechcozmo> stopped at "Scanning us-cable 12 No Lock" again
[00:52] <mechcozmo> same issue as before
[00:52] <mechcozmo> signal of 0%, scan 5%
[00:53] <henrik__> I got that before I did the v4l update
[00:54] <henrik__> don't know why it's not working for you sorry..
[00:55] <mechcozmo> bah
[00:55] <mechcozmo> that's a dissapointment
[00:55] <henrik__> yes shure is..
[00:55] <henrik__> sure*
[00:56] <mechcozmo> well, thanks for your help
[00:56] <henrik__> did you have the 1300 card 2
[00:56] <mechcozmo> no, i went for the 500 because it was $50 shipped and i'm a cheap bastard :-)
[00:57] <mechcozmo> i would just sell it and buy what you know works
[00:57] <henrik__> ahh.. okej.. then you were not affected by the bug we fixed..
[00:57] <henrik__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/439163
[00:57] <henrik__> only for the 1300 3000 and 4000 card
[00:57] <henrik__> I thaught you were on the same card as I was.
[00:58] <mechcozmo> seems similar, but nope
[00:58] <mechcozmo> no, i have just one PVR
[00:58] <mechcozmo> 500
[00:58] <mechcozmo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/470756
[01:01] <henrik__> sorry man can't help you! but I know I need to go and sleep..
[01:01] <henrik__> my kids will wake up in 4h wanting something to eat ;)
[01:01] <henrik__> sleep tight youall
[01:01] <mechcozmo> alright, thanks for the attempt
[03:57] <tmkt> anyoine using kbd_i2c as their driver?
[03:57] <tmkt> need to figure out how to get the rest of the keys working
[03:57] <tmkt> very few work right now
[04:00] <eddie128> Hi,   Hoping someone can help explain why mythbackend install from the mythbuntu control panel results in mythbackend running its own gnome user session???
[04:12] <eddie128> hi
[05:13] <superm1> eddie128, its because the upstart script is using 'su'
[05:13] <superm1> its arguable whether the bug lies in consolekit or that upstart script still
[05:13] <superm1> it only happens when you load mythbackend on standard ubuntu
[05:13] <superm1> mythbuntu boxes won't encounter it
[05:26] <eddie128> thanks
[05:27] <eddie128> superm.   Is there a listed 'fix' anywhere that you could point me to?
[05:29] <superm1> look at the bug i posted in #mythtv-users
[05:29] <superm1> there's a workaround
[06:34] <ripperda> hey superm1, got a chance to review over your comments from last night. I have to admit, I'm not very clear what in my config is in storage groups and what isn't
[06:35] <ripperda> so far, I have a single system w/ front & backend  on the same system. when I configured, I set the storage groups on the backend and the frontend config to the same directories
[06:35] <ripperda> so I'm  not clear whether files were stored via the frontend or storage groups
[06:36] <ripperda> I'm thinking maybe I should set the 2 sets differently, maybe even delete all artwork, then I can redownload metadata and see how things get stored
[06:37] <ripperda> I'm reading a couple of web pages on how storage groups interact with mythvideo
[06:38] <superm1> ripperda, generally you want the storage group set items to be the ones in /var/lib/mythtv and the local paths to be in ~/.mythtv
[06:44] <PMantis> Hi, seem to be having lots of trouble downloading. Will a few people please seed the i386 torrent?  http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[07:21] <gbutters> PMantis: ok seeding
[08:39] <hume> hi... I recently upgraded to mythbuntu 9.10, and now everytime I start the computer, the sound is switched off. How can I change the sound to be switched ON on boot?
[08:49] <Thermoelectric> Anyone here able to help me with my channel scanning? I have set a grabber and all, but the scan for channels button isn't selectable...
[08:55] <Thermoelectric> Could that possibly be because my tuner isn't supported? It's a swann tuner.
[11:37] <khunt> something weird has happened to my backend
[11:37] <khunt> cant ssh in
[11:37] <khunt> says wrong password
[11:37] <khunt> can run sudo commands directly
[11:37] <khunt> says wrong password
[11:37] <khunt> sorry cant run sudo commands
[11:45] <khunt> what is the mythtv users password?
[11:48] <Thermoelectric> Were you talking to me?
[11:49] <Thermoelectric> Nvm
[11:49] <khunt> talking to anyone
[11:49] <khunt> :-)
[11:49] <Thermoelectric> Oh
[11:49] <Thermoelectric> :-)
[11:50] <Thermoelectric> I messed up by backend somehow too, I can't get it to scan for channels, But that's what would usually happen to amythtv noob.
[11:50] <Thermoelectric> Shouldn't you use your computer's password, not mythtv's?
[11:51] <Thermoelectric> For sudo...
[11:51] <khunt> yes
[11:52] <khunt> if it hadnt decided that password was wrong
[11:52] <Thermoelectric> :-/
[11:52] <khunt> i cant run frontend or do sudo commands
[11:52] <khunt> or ssh in
[11:52] <khunt> I was fine about 3 hours ago
[11:53] <Thermoelectric> Couldn't you use a external monitor on your backend?
[11:54] <Thermoelectric> That would get around the SSH error, I guess, Iirc what SSH is...
[11:54] <Thermoelectric> Hey temba
[11:55] <temba> ?
[11:55] <temba> hey
[11:55] <khunt> how do i change my password when my password doesnt work?
[11:57] <Thermoelectric> Can't help you with that one, sorry.
[12:08] <khunt> figured out
[12:08] <khunt> but cant get into recovery console
[12:10] <Thermoelectric> Hmm
[12:10] <Thermoelectric> You wouldn't happen to know how I can update the driver on my tv tuner? I want to see if that will do anything...
[12:12] <khunt> linux tv website has instructions and drivers i think
[12:14] <Thermoelectric> Thanks
[12:30] <Thermoelectric> Ah, That's right, I was going to try IVTV
[13:31] <tmkt> anyone using ir-kbd-i2c driver?
[14:01] <tmkt> my problem is some of the keys on the remotes work...just not the good ones..like back/guide/info
[15:44] <Thom-> hello guys, could anyone tell me how mythbuntu handles the mythtvfrontend upstart? I couldn't find anything about that in the rc.x folders
[17:56] <dashcloud> hi, I'm currently on 8.10, and would like to move up to the latest version so I can run myth .22- what's the best way to go about this? upgrade, or clean install?
[18:16] <KjetilK> Any chance of seeing the s2-liplianin driver in Lucid? It seems to be maturing well, and it is the driver I use (or should use, I currently use the old mantis) for my DVB-C card
[18:17] <elmojo> when installing mysql-server should I set a  "root" password or leave blank?
[18:17] <elmojo> wondering how the mythtv-* packages know what password to use when they are configured
[21:29] <tmkt> anyone else experiencing a 2-3 minute delay for the remote to start working when the front end starts up
[21:32]  * KjetilK doesn't, but is on 0.21
[21:50] <superm1> elmojo, these days it should get off fine with or without a root password
[21:50] <superm1> the mythtv packages are supposed to try to use the debian system maintainer account to make the database now (hopefully!) :)
[23:23] <elmojo> superm1: k, thanks for the info... I was trying the 0.22-fixes packages on Ubuntu 8.10 and had some issues with mysql permissions
[23:23] <superm1> oh rlly?
[23:23] <elmojo> went ahead and installed 9.10
[23:23] <superm1> that's peculiar
[23:23] <superm1> did they actually fail?
[23:23] <elmojo> yes
[23:23] <superm1> or just say that the pw was wrong?
[23:24] <elmojo> ran dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database and it always failed saying it couldn't access the database
[23:25] <superm1> right, but was it Really failing?
[23:25] <elmojo> I even removed (and purged) the mysql-server packages and blew away any existing databases and restarted everything from scratch and it still wouldn't work properly
[23:25] <superm1> it's supposed to use the debian-sys-maint account
[23:25] <superm1> i wonder if that didn't exist on 8.10
[23:25] <elmojo> I didn't check the mysql logs (probably should have)
[23:25] <PMantis> Opinions guys? ATI or NVIDIA for an AGP based Mythbuntu frontend?
[23:26] <superm1> nvidia
[23:26] <superm1> you'll have a better experience still today
[23:26] <PMantis> k
[23:26] <elmojo> superm1: you are probably right about the debian-sys-maint account
[23:27] <superm1> it didn't exist?
[23:27] <elmojo> I don't think so
[23:27] <PMantis> I have an nvidia card right now that I can't load the nvidia drivers for. When I activate them, it boots to a black screen... had to hack xorg.conf back to vesa. ICK!
[23:27] <superm1> well maybe our logic needs some fixing then
[23:27] <superm1> PMantis, how did you install the drivers?
[23:28] <superm1> you should either pick them in the installer itself or from the hardware drivers tool
[23:29] <superm1> elmojo, well it checks like this: "    if echo "show databases;" | mysql --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf >/dev/null 2>&1; then
[23:29] <superm1> "
[23:29] <PMantis> superm1: With the restricted drivers gui. I was going to try downloading the binary from nvidia directly, but I tried ubuntu 9.10, 9.04, 8.10... none of them are working right now, so I think my card died.
[23:29] <superm1> if that failed t shouldnt have been able to use the debian-sys-main
[23:29] <superm1> PMantis, you'll run into even more trouble with the binary directly from nvidia
[23:29] <superm1> it conflicts with packaging systems currently
[23:29] <PMantis> superm1: oh fun.
[23:29] <superm1> what card is this?  is the wrong series being offered maybe for your card?
[23:30] <superm1> and does /var/log/Xorg.0.log show any more information about what's up?
[23:30] <elmojo> superm1: ok, I no longer have 8.10 installed so I'll give 9.10 a shot
[23:31] <PMantis> superm1: This used to be a myth frontend and I re-purposed for something else... and it used to work. I didn't look at the log, but I found that I cannot kill the X process without locking the machine to the point where my SSH session locks up.
[23:31] <superm1> PMantis, where the SSH session locks up?  that screams bad hardware
[23:32] <superm1> but look at the log to be sure
[23:32] <superm1> there aren't many instances that the machine hard locks like that though
[23:33] <PMantis> superm1: and... with gdm running, the local screen blinks, like it keeps swapping to tty 7 and back... also it hangs for 2-3 seconds, comes back, hangs... etc. When I kill gdm, it's smooth.
[23:33] <superm1> look at the logs
[23:33] <PMantis> superm1: Yeah. The local kb is dead, SSH dies, but Ctrl-Aly-SysRec-B still reboots.
[23:33] <superm1> that's the important thing here
[23:34] <PMantis> K, I'll have to get back in there and look... it's off right now, and dinner is ready. :)
[23:34] <PMantis> Just had a couple minutes, so I thought I'd pop in and seek feedback.
[23:34] <elmojo> do the latest nightly fixes packages work with 190.42 nvidia packages or does it still require 185.x nvidia?
[23:35] <superm1> 190.42 is on the repo now
[23:35] <superm1> using libvdpau
[23:35] <elmojo> excellent
[23:35] <superm1> and it just got into debian, so we'll have it in the archive for lucid
[23:36] <elmojo> do I need to add anything to /etc/apt/sources to get the nightly builds?
[23:41] <superm1> just install the mythbuntu-repos deb from the website
[23:41] <superm1> it does everything for you
[23:48] <elmojo> superm1: awesome
[23:48] <superm1> tgm4883 did a great job with it, thank him :)
[23:48] <elmojo> everything is working perfect on 9.10
[23:49] <elmojo> the database set-up happened automagically for me
[23:54] <PMantis>  
[23:54] <PMantis> heh oops