[01:18] <Batosuai> hi
[01:20] <Batosuai> hey guys can anyone help me im new at ubuntu   i installed xubuntu in a low spec laptop and everything went well until after instalation i cannot use the GUI
[01:22] <Batosuai> I aprecciate any help XD
[01:24] <jar> Batosuai, does it only boot to command line?
[01:24] <Batosuai> yeah
[01:24] <Batosuai> tty
[01:24] <jar> Hm, weird.
[01:24] <jar> can you type 'startx' ?
[01:24] <Batosuai> command not found
[01:25] <jar> how about startxfce4
[01:25] <Batosuai> same
[01:25] <Batosuai> sorry im a noob
[01:25] <jar> okay one last command
[01:26] <jar> ls /usr/bin/ | grep xfce
[01:26] <Batosuai> used ubuntu befor but never had this prob
[01:26] <jar> does that return anything?
[01:26] <Batosuai> how do i get the vertical line
[01:27] <jar> it's the shift version of \
[01:27] <jar> It's above ENTER on my qwerty keyboard.
[01:28] <Batosuai> got it
[01:28] <Batosuai> same
[01:28] <jar> Nothing?
[01:28] <Batosuai> maybe a error installing?
[01:28] <jar> Your install seems to have failed in some way.
[01:28] <jar> Yes.
[01:28] <jar> Your desktop environment is not installed.
[01:29] <Batosuai> ok let me try again ty   how im supposed to install it
[01:29] <jar> I just installed with all the defaults.
[01:29] <Batosuai> im doing it in a low spec laptop so maybe thats why i failed
[01:30] <jar> How low spec?
[01:30] <Batosuai> old computer\
[01:30] <jar> Well I mean
[01:30] <jar> Processor, Ram, etc?
[01:31] <Batosuai> Microprocessor 	Intel Pentium III processor 650 MHz
[01:31] <Batosuai> Microprocessor Cache 	256 KB L2 on-chip cache
[01:31] <Batosuai> Memory 	64 MB 100 MHz SyncDRAM, shared memory architecture - 4 MB dedicated for video memory
[01:31] <Batosuai> Memory Max 	Upgradable to 320 MB
[01:31] <Batosuai> Video Graphics 	Trident CyberBlade 3D Graphics
[01:31] <Batosuai> old   lol
[01:31] <jar> the processor is fine
[01:31] <jar> it's the ram
[01:31] <jar> I think you need 128MB minimum
[01:32] <jar> You might want to try Puppy Linux
[01:32] <Batosuai> sorry forgot to add another 64  so it have 128
[01:32] <jar> Oh you do?
[01:32] <Batosuai> puppy linux?  sounds interesting
[01:32] <jar> Puppy Linux is designed for very low end systems.
[01:33] <jar> http://puppylinux.org/main/index.php?file=Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm
[01:33] <Batosuai> if i cannot get this one running ill try with that one
[01:33] <Batosuai> lol
[01:33] <Batosuai> ty
[01:33] <jar> np
[03:18] <joshritger1> can anyone tell me how to edit xorg.conf in xubuntu, I can't seem to find it
[03:18] <joshritger1> oh it is xubuntu 9.10
[03:38] <jar> joshritger1, there is no xorg.conf anymore
[03:39] <jar> what do you need to do?
[03:41] <joshritger1> jar: sorry I am in two windows, but I am having trouble with my display, I have an old gateway laptop with the intel 82830 chipset and in 9.04 and 9.10 there are issues with the chipset causing the screen to blink
[03:42] <jar> You can generate a custom xorg.conf with the options you need in /etc/X11.
[03:42] <jar> Should work fine.
[03:43] <joshritger1> will try
[03:45] <jar> gnash still sucks.
[03:45] <jar> shocker.
[04:51] <JAAII> New user here.  Can anyone tell me the difference between Xubuntu and Ubuntu?
[04:53] <jar> JAAII, Essentially - Ubuntu uses GNOME, we use XFce
[04:55] <JAAII> Thanks for the response jar.  Does either make a difference based on your hardware?  For example, I'm using a MacBook Pro (5,1).  Currently have Ubuntu installed but thought one of the other distros may be better.  Thoughts?
[04:56] <jar> JAAII, Both Ubuntu and Xubuntu use the exact same kernel so the hardware supports, in theory, should be exactly the same.
[04:56] <JAAII> I assume you are using Xubuntu.  Any reason you prefer over Ubuntu?
[04:57] <jar> I like XFce :)
[04:57] <jar> That's pretty much it.
[05:00] <JAAII> Cool.  Thanks for your time.
[07:07] <Jaden007mi5> Hey
[07:08] <Jaden007mi5> I just installed ubuntu 9.10  and i have no sound at all. sound worked on 8.10
[07:08] <Jaden007mi5> any help?
[07:09] <jar> Do you mean xubuntu?
[07:09] <jar> or ubuntu?
[07:09] <Jaden007mi5> my bad i accidently joined the xubuntu room instead of ubuntu
[07:09] <jar> :)
[07:11] <Sahkolihaa> A common mistake, it seems.
[07:11] <Sahkolihaa> ...right.
[07:11] <Sahkolihaa> Anyone know where Thunderbird's default browser setting is?
[07:11] <Sahkolihaa> I'm sick of it starting up Firefox when Chromium is set as my default browser. :|
[07:12] <Sahkolihaa> I guess this is what happens when part of GNome is included with Xubuntu - mixed up settings.
[07:46] <TheSheep> Sahkolihaa: you can try using gconf-edit to find it
[07:46] <Sahkolihaa> I just found a fix - created a user.js file in thunderbird's profile directory and added some lines from the Mozilla website. :)
[08:35] <turtle_> g'day all, just throwing 9.10 on my machine, whats the best size for a swap partition?
[08:35] <jar> turtle_, the rule of thumb is your ram multiplied by two
[08:36] <turtle_> wow thats a lot
[08:36] <jar> How much RAM do you have?
[08:36] <turtle_> 1gb
[08:36] <jar> then yeah, 2GB
[08:36] <turtle_> but only a 16gb ssd
[08:36] <jar> That sucks.
[08:37] <jar> That's why I opted out of a SSD.
[08:37] <jar> My netbook has a nice 160GB traditional drive.
[08:37] <turtle_> i don't mind the ssd
[08:38] <turtle_> I just bought a new one because of a good price
[08:38] <turtle_> but 9.04 doesn't work so nice on it so putting on 9.10 now
[08:38] <turtle_> but it still looks like the sound wont work
[08:38] <jar> What model?
[08:39] <turtle_> the hp mini 110
[08:39] <jar> Yeah
[08:39] <jar> Seems to be a common issue
[08:39] <jar> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=hp+mini+110+sound+linux&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=6b22d27f49a5e7dd
[08:39] <turtle_> it's weird because UNR 9.10 seems to work with its sound
[08:41] <jar> That is weird since xubuntu uses the standard ubuntu kernel and I think so does NBR.
[08:41] <turtle_> yeah thats why I figured it would work out of the box
[08:42] <jar> turtle_, Have you tried it with headphones?
[08:42] <jar> "Speakers don't work on Ubuntu 9.04, headphones work OK. Both work on Ubuntu 9.10 Beta"
[08:43] <turtle_> i'll give it a try in a sec
[08:43] <turtle_> i didn't even think of that, how stupid of me
[08:43] <jar> It happens to the best of us.
[08:43] <jar> ;)
[08:44] <turtle_> another linux-newb question, can i mount /home on an external ssd?
[08:45] <TheSheep> you can mount it anywhere
[08:45] <jar> ^
[08:46] <TheSheep> the problem may be: what happens when you diconnect it?
[08:46] <jar> YOU DIE
[08:46] <jar> :D
[08:47] <turtle_> brutal :P
[08:47] <jar> We don't half ass things.
[08:47] <jar> ;)
[08:48] <turtle_> ...unlike microsoft
[08:48] <jar> Haha.
[08:48] <jar> Or even Apple for that matter.
[08:49] <jar> *cough*
[08:49] <turtle_> gah I'm struggling with the mounting of these partitions.... I understand the primary one should be '/', but the second one, which I intend to use to test new distro's, should be mounted as what?
[08:50] <jar> You can mount it anywhere you want.
[08:50] <jar> Somewhere in /media would be best.
[08:50] <turtle_> or should I leave it empty and get the other distro to sort it out
[08:51] <TheSheep> turtle_: you don't have to mount it
[08:51] <TheSheep> turtle_: yeah, you can do that
[08:51] <jar> Yeah.
[08:51] <jar> Just because a partition exists doesn't mean it HAS to be mounted.
[08:52] <TheSheep> I usually mount it in /mnt/other or something like that, just to have access to it
[08:52] <turtle_> yeah I understand that, just the program is throwing me errors
[08:52] <jar> I only use vbox these days
[08:52] <turtle_> I am thinking of putting it as /media/altdistro
[08:53] <TheSheep> turtle_: /media is mostly for automounted stuff
[08:53] <TheSheep> turtle_: of course that's only a tradition
[08:53] <jar> I use media for everything because I think splitting them up was stupid.
[08:53] <jar> But that's just me.
[08:53] <jar> /mnt or /media - pick one IMHO
[08:53] <turtle_> well I'm still getting my linux feet and thats where I tend to look for my stuff
[08:54] <TheSheep> you know, the linux motto should be "whatever works for you"
[08:54] <jar> also, "screw kde"
[08:54] <jar> :D
[08:54] <jar> jk
[08:55] <TheSheep> !language | jar
[08:55] <turtle_> lol
[08:55] <jar> Who in their right mind would consider that NSFW?
[08:55] <jar> o_O
[08:55] <jar> I've heard worse language on Nickelodean.
[08:55] <jar> Not even kidding.
[08:55] <TheSheep> jar: not all the world is raised in USA
[08:56] <jar> The USA is actually pretty conservative in our views of what should be allowed on TV.
[08:56] <turtle_> they swear in the original transformers
[08:56] <TheSheep> but that's not the topic of this channel
[08:57]  * jar slaps his forehead
[09:07] <turtle_> can I go into gparted after the install is finished and make the ntfs partition mount as /media/windoze?
[09:08] <TheSheep> no need for gparted for that
[09:08] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[09:08] <TheSheep> !ntfs-3g
[09:10] <turtle_> thanks TheSheep , I'll check it out
[09:15] <turtle_> 16sec boot time... tasty
[10:12] <hume> hi all.... after an upgrade to ubuntu 9.10, sound is turned off when I log in to xfce - how do I set it to be turned on when I log in?
[11:37] <handjob> Hi all. I've got problem playing .wmv files. If i start mplayer from GUI it plays sound only but when started form command line it works well. Once I have solved this problem but damn i forgot how. Here is passthebin of mplayer-cli http://pastebin.com/f306b4bd3.
[12:02] <turtle_> anyone managed to get the telstra wbb working with 9.10?
[13:59] <oberon> hi
[14:00] <oberon> I'm trying to install a new kernel according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158&highlight=kernel
[14:00] <oberon> after step 10 I get the files in /boot
[14:00] <sshadyy> hi
[14:00] <knome> !kernel | oberon
[14:00] <oberon> hi pal
[14:01] <sshadyy> yea i come to irc:)
[14:01] <oberon> knome, the question is - how do I make the new kernel apear on the grub menu on boot ?
[14:01] <knome> oberon, please refer to the last link
[18:58] <nicklas_> back in xubuntu land :-P
[18:59] <jar> nicklas_, Welcome Back!
[18:59] <jar> :)
[18:59] <BeteNoire> hi, my friend has xubuntu and i want to send him messages that will popup on his screen, via local network, what is the app supporting this?
[19:00] <jar> BeteNoire, You mean like a dialog box?
[19:00] <nicklas_> jar, ty :-)
[19:00] <jar> :)
[19:00] <nicklas_> i used sabayon, but it crashed after nvidia update
[19:01] <jar> Isn't sabayon based on gentoo?
[19:01] <nicklas_> yup
[19:01] <BeteNoire> jar: not exactly dialog, i don't want him to click yes or no :) just send short message that will popu
[19:01] <jar> I'll keep my comments about portage to myself.
[19:01] <jar> BeteNoire, You could ssh into his machine and use zenity.
[19:01] <BeteNoire> wut?
[19:01] <BeteNoire> discussion about gentoo here? :)
[19:01] <jar> BeteNoire, nicklas_ was using a gentoo based distro.
[19:01] <jar> ;)
[19:02] <jar> But he came to his senses and returned here.
[19:02] <jar> :D
[19:02] <BeteNoire> i am using gentoo on most of my machines :)2~
[19:02] <jar> I'll have to bite my lip extra hard then.
[19:02] <jar> :D
[19:02] <BeteNoire> :>
[19:03] <BeteNoire> don't worry, i'm familiar with tension between distro users :)
[19:03] <jar> Hehe, it's all in good fun for the most part.
[19:03] <jar> Xubuntu and Gentoo have completely different target audiences.
[19:03] <jar> ;)
[19:04] <Sysi> yes, gentoo when you want to configure ans xubuntu when you want to use :P
[19:04] <Sysi> (i'm not gonna start flamewar)
[19:04] <jar> *g*
[19:05] <jar> Sysi, At least in #xubuntu you know you'd have backup.
[19:05] <jar> Haha.
[19:05] <Sysi> i don't need :)
[19:06] <jar> hehe
[19:06] <nicklas_> anyone knows what libs that are installed in regular ubuntu but not in xubuntu that are required to play quake 4?
[19:07] <jar> nicklas_, console output should tell you.
[19:07] <nicklas_> jar, where?
[19:07] <nicklas_> ah yes
[19:07] <nicklas_> when trying to start it you mean?
[19:07] <jar> Yes.
[19:09] <nicklas_> i have been using both ubuntu and kubuntu, but i have figured out i dont need all that eye candy
[19:09] <nicklas_> so xubuntu is good :-)
[19:09] <jar> I actually prefer XFce to GNOME
[19:09] <jar> In the way of appearances
[19:10] <jar> xfwm has compositor support and that's enough for me
[19:10] <nicklas_> yes, for me too
[19:10] <nicklas_> that eye candy is enough
[19:10] <jar> mhmm
[19:11] <Sysi> kirkasvärinen ja xfce transparencies ♥
[19:11] <Sysi> what
[19:11] <jar> hehe
[19:11] <Sysi> *xfce transparencies ♥
[19:11] <jar> Nice unicode.
[19:12] <Sysi> easiest way to get damm goodlooking system
[19:12] <jar> ;)
[19:13] <Sysi> http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/scort.png
[19:13] <Sysi> didn't take long to set up
[19:13] <jar> hehe
[19:13] <Sysi> exept that i changed buttons to window borders
[19:17] <jar> http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8097/desktopxfce4.png
[19:17] <jar> That's my desktop.
[19:18] <Sysi> should i paste my others?
[19:18] <jar> If you'd like.
[19:19] <Sysi> mmph, anime
[19:19] <jar> Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood ;P
[19:19] <Sysi> http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/siiseli.png
[19:20] <Sysi> http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/leelu.png
[19:20] <jar> girly
[19:20] <jar> lol
[19:20] <Sysi> :)
[19:20] <Sysi> that was for school
[19:21] <jar> ah
[19:21] <Sysi> now i use the upper
[19:21] <jar> hehe
[19:21] <Sysi> tesmachine's gonna be mac-replica
[19:21] <jar> ah
[19:22] <Sysi> *test machine
[19:22] <Sysi> how hard can tuping be
[19:22] <Sysi> yeah, exactly
[19:23] <jar> :)
[19:50] <nicklas_> this blocking list in transmission, what is it? what does it mean?
[19:52] <jar> nicklas_, it blocks know riaa/mpaa types
[19:52] <nicklas_> and what is that?
[19:53] <jar> copyright agencies
[19:53] <jar> basically
[19:53] <nicklas_> aha, then you dont wanna use that
[19:53] <jar> no, you do
[19:53] <jar> it blocks them
[19:53] <nicklas_> so you cant download illegal files?
[19:54] <jar> No, so they can't watch you.
[19:54] <nicklas_> aah
[19:54] <nicklas_> cool
[22:59] <nicklas_> yo
[22:59] <jar> welcome back
[22:59] <nicklas_> :-)
[22:59] <Sysi> ohai
[23:00] <nicklas_> so what dists have you used?
[23:00] <Sysi> currently installing fedora
[23:00] <jar> I've used a ton.
[23:00] <Sysi> also used this earlier
[23:00] <jar> I'm 21 and been using Linux since I was 12.
[23:01] <jar> Stuck with XFce more or less since early 4.0.x releases.
[23:01] <Sysi> i've used linux for, 2 years?
[23:01] <nicklas_> fedora is the only major dist i havent tried i think, seems like too much work
[23:01] <jar> I used Redhat 9 then Fedora Core 1
[23:02] <jar> Back a few years ago
[23:02] <Sysi> fedora is nice
[23:02] <jar> My first XFce experience was on Redhat now that I think about it.
[23:03] <nicklas_> but isnt it annoying getting nvidia drivers working? and mp3 and flash and such?
[23:03] <Sysi> i had to use xfce, i only had 256mb ram
[23:03] <nicklas_> lol ok
[23:03] <jar> nicklas_, works about the same as on Xubuntu
[23:03] <Sysi> no, as far as i know
[23:03] <nicklas_> jar, meta ?
[23:03] <Sysi> available on rpmfusion iirc
[23:04] <jar> I believe Package Kit takes care of that stuff.
[23:04] <Sysi> this is with kde :S
[23:04] <jar> http://www.packagekit.org/pk-screenshots.html
[23:04] <nicklas_> well, xubuntu/ubuntu is good, what is different with fedora?
[23:04] <Sysi> installation done, i'm gonna reboot
[23:05] <jar> nicklas_, A different distro entirely.
[23:05] <Sysi> package manager
[23:05] <nicklas_> rpm yes
[23:05] <Sysi> and all programs are updated
[23:05] <nicklas_> its more up to date?
[23:05] <Sysi> yes
[23:05] <jar> Not really.
[23:05] <jar> It's about the same.
[23:05] <nicklas_> in ubuntu i can add playdeb repos to get the latest games, i am a gamer
[23:05] <Sysi> firefor came earier to fedora
[23:06] <nicklas_> so i want latest open arena, warsow and siuch
[23:06] <Sysi> reboot →
[23:06] <jar> Sysi, Firefox has been in *buntu since the beginning?
[23:06] <Sysi> when updated to 3.5
[23:06] <jar> You didn't specify version.
[23:06] <jar> Also.
[23:07] <Sysi> in ubuntu you needed install it separately
[23:07] <jar> PPA's exist for this purpose.
[23:07] <Sysi> i still haven't :P
[23:07] <jar> Fedora markets itself as version over feature.
[23:07] <jar> er
[23:07] <jar> stability
[23:07] <jar> Fedora is just a base for Redhat.
[23:07] <jar> A test ground, basically.
[23:07] <nicklas_> i dont want an unstable system that i have to reinstall or anything, thats why i dumped sabayon
[23:08] <nicklas_> fedora is definetly not for me then
[23:08] <jar> Fedora isn't marketed as a stable desktop.
[23:08] <jar> It's Redhat's cutting edge test bed.
[23:08] <nicklas_> then you will get problems with nvidia drivers, xorg, kernel and such
[23:09] <nicklas_> nah
[23:09] <nicklas_> i think xubuntu is the only dist i want to use right now
[23:09] <jar> Fedora always adopts stuff first and deals with the breakage later.
[23:10] <Sysi> nicklas_: where have you heard about problems with nvidia?
[23:10] <Sysi> i think i read somewhere that drivers are in rpmfusion
[23:11] <nicklas_> I havent heard about any problems with nvidia in fedora, but i know how cutting edge distros is
[23:11] <nicklas_> so im not going with fedora :-P
[23:12] <Sysi> well, ubuntu is a bit cutting edge
[23:12] <nicklas_> ubuntu/xubuntu has the best mix between stabillity and fresh software
[23:12] <nicklas_> i think
[23:13] <nicklas_> it works after updating packages
[23:13] <Sysi> ahem, ubuntu glasses?
[23:13] <nicklas_> lol
[23:13] <nicklas_> no
[23:13] <Sysi> i know ubuntu and derivants are good
[23:13] <nicklas_> i also like pardis
[23:13] <Sysi> but at least karmic have been a bit diappointment
[23:13] <nicklas_> pardus
[23:14] <nicklas_> yes
[23:14] <nicklas_> but right now its the only dist i can use
[23:14] <knome> Sysi, jaunty was a very good release for xubuntu.
[23:15] <Sysi> yes, i still have that on desktop
[23:15] <Sysi> working perfectly
[23:15] <nicklas_> why is it a dissapointment?
[23:15] <Sysi> bugs
[23:16] <nicklas_> yes?
[23:16] <Sysi> sound muted after boot etc
[23:16] <Sysi> wlan stucks
[23:16] <nicklas_> had that problem with previous version, muted sound
[23:16] <nicklas_> but not now
[23:18] <knome> in karmic, there is not really a media player that *just works*.
[23:18] <Sysi> i haven
[23:18] <nicklas_> there isnt?
[23:18] <nicklas_> it does for me
[23:18] <Sysi> 't had problems
[23:18] <knome> listen is totally unusable, banshee doesn't always even start, exaile crashes often
[23:18] <Sysi> rhythmbox ftw
[23:18] <nicklas_> no problem here
[23:19] <nicklas_> audacious is also good
[23:19] <Sysi> yeah
[23:19] <knome> nicklas_, good to hear, but i've had a different experience
[23:19] <knome> i need a player that's able to handle a collection
[23:19] <jar> I use Banshee happily fwiw.
[23:19] <jar> :(
[23:19] <jar> It's not exactly lightweight.
[23:19] <jar> But eh, it's worth it.
[23:20] <Sysi> knome: why not rhythmbox?
[23:20] <knome> Sysi, can't remember.
[23:20] <knome> i've tested it though.
[23:20] <Sysi> i like it, everyone doesn't
[23:20] <nicklas_> why did xubuntu change from listen too exaile?
[23:20] <Sysi> why did change to listen
[23:21] <knome> nicklas_, more featureful. and fwiw, listen is totally broken in karmic :P
[23:21] <nicklas_> it is?
[23:21] <knome> at least for me.
[23:22] <knome> again i can't remember what's broken there but it didn't work
[23:22] <knome> so i stooped using it
[23:23] <knome> iirc there was some kind of memleak/crashing issue on listen
[23:23] <nicklas_> you didnt get audio or something like that?
[23:23] <knome> it might have been solved by now
[23:23] <knome> i did.
[23:23] <knome> can't really remember, that's so long ago
[23:27] <Sysi> this kde soo sucks
[23:27] <Sysi> i can't even choose a language
[23:27] <Sysi> xfce.now
[23:28] <nicklas_> i dont need gnome or kde anymore, too much eye candy and functions :-P
[23:28] <Sysi> not enough :)
[23:28] <Sysi> or hard to set up
[23:30] <nicklas_> lol woot?
[23:31] <Sysi> opacities first
[23:31] <Sysi> moving beetveen workspaces
[23:31] <nicklas_> in kde you mean?
[23:32] <knome> opacity on desktop is distracting
[23:32] <nicklas_> depends on how you use it and how much
[23:33] <knome> no, it's distracting even in the smallest amounts.
[23:34] <Sysi> opacity ♥
[23:34] <knome> yes.
[23:34] <knome> :)
[23:35] <Sysi> like mac ui, not best settings but so candy that you just can't resist
[23:35] <Sysi> no best/pretty irritating
[23:35] <nicklas_> ska ha 100/100 men fick upp 15.02 o ner 91.07
[23:35] <knome> nicklas_, english please... :)
[23:36] <nicklas_> sorry, wrong channel
[23:36] <knome> i guessed that ;)
[23:36] <Sysi> knome: you should understand that ;)
[23:36] <knome> Sysi, i do :P
[23:38] <nicklas_> knome, swedish?
[23:39] <knome> nicklas_, from finland, but as you know, swedish is our second official language
[23:39] <nicklas_> knome, yeah
[23:39] <Sysi> knome, we'll win this, there's two os us!
[23:40] <knome> haha
[23:43] <Sysi> aww, xfce ♥