[01:18] hi [01:20] hey guys can anyone help me im new at ubuntu i installed xubuntu in a low spec laptop and everything went well until after instalation i cannot use the GUI [01:22] I aprecciate any help XD [01:24] Batosuai, does it only boot to command line? [01:24] yeah [01:24] tty [01:24] Hm, weird. [01:24] can you type 'startx' ? [01:24] command not found [01:25] how about startxfce4 [01:25] same [01:25] sorry im a noob [01:25] okay one last command [01:26] ls /usr/bin/ | grep xfce [01:26] used ubuntu befor but never had this prob [01:26] does that return anything? [01:26] how do i get the vertical line [01:27] it's the shift version of \ [01:27] It's above ENTER on my qwerty keyboard. [01:28] got it [01:28] same [01:28] Nothing? [01:28] maybe a error installing? [01:28] Your install seems to have failed in some way. [01:28] Yes. [01:28] Your desktop environment is not installed. [01:29] ok let me try again ty how im supposed to install it [01:29] I just installed with all the defaults. [01:29] im doing it in a low spec laptop so maybe thats why i failed [01:30] How low spec? [01:30] old computer\ [01:30] Well I mean [01:30] Processor, Ram, etc? [01:31] Microprocessor Intel Pentium III processor 650 MHz [01:31] Microprocessor Cache 256 KB L2 on-chip cache [01:31] Memory 64 MB 100 MHz SyncDRAM, shared memory architecture - 4 MB dedicated for video memory [01:31] Memory Max Upgradable to 320 MB [01:31] Video Graphics Trident CyberBlade 3D Graphics [01:31] old lol [01:31] the processor is fine [01:31] it's the ram [01:31] I think you need 128MB minimum [01:32] You might want to try Puppy Linux [01:32] sorry forgot to add another 64 so it have 128 [01:32] Oh you do? [01:32] puppy linux? sounds interesting [01:32] Puppy Linux is designed for very low end systems. [01:33] http://puppylinux.org/main/index.php?file=Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm [01:33] if i cannot get this one running ill try with that one [01:33] lol [01:33] ty [01:33] np [03:18] can anyone tell me how to edit xorg.conf in xubuntu, I can't seem to find it [03:18] oh it is xubuntu 9.10 [03:38] joshritger1, there is no xorg.conf anymore [03:39] what do you need to do? [03:41] jar: sorry I am in two windows, but I am having trouble with my display, I have an old gateway laptop with the intel 82830 chipset and in 9.04 and 9.10 there are issues with the chipset causing the screen to blink [03:42] You can generate a custom xorg.conf with the options you need in /etc/X11. [03:42] Should work fine. [03:43] will try [03:45] gnash still sucks. [03:45] shocker. [04:51] New user here. Can anyone tell me the difference between Xubuntu and Ubuntu? [04:53] JAAII, Essentially - Ubuntu uses GNOME, we use XFce [04:55] Thanks for the response jar. Does either make a difference based on your hardware? For example, I'm using a MacBook Pro (5,1). Currently have Ubuntu installed but thought one of the other distros may be better. Thoughts? [04:56] JAAII, Both Ubuntu and Xubuntu use the exact same kernel so the hardware supports, in theory, should be exactly the same. [04:56] I assume you are using Xubuntu. Any reason you prefer over Ubuntu? [04:57] I like XFce :) [04:57] That's pretty much it. [05:00] Cool. Thanks for your time. [07:07] Hey [07:08] I just installed ubuntu 9.10 and i have no sound at all. sound worked on 8.10 [07:08] any help? [07:09] Do you mean xubuntu? [07:09] or ubuntu? [07:09] my bad i accidently joined the xubuntu room instead of ubuntu [07:09] :) [07:11] A common mistake, it seems. [07:11] ...right. [07:11] Anyone know where Thunderbird's default browser setting is? [07:11] I'm sick of it starting up Firefox when Chromium is set as my default browser. :| [07:12] I guess this is what happens when part of GNome is included with Xubuntu - mixed up settings. [07:46] Sahkolihaa: you can try using gconf-edit to find it [07:46] I just found a fix - created a user.js file in thunderbird's profile directory and added some lines from the Mozilla website. :) [08:35] g'day all, just throwing 9.10 on my machine, whats the best size for a swap partition? [08:35] turtle_, the rule of thumb is your ram multiplied by two [08:36] wow thats a lot [08:36] How much RAM do you have? [08:36] 1gb [08:36] then yeah, 2GB [08:36] but only a 16gb ssd [08:36] That sucks. [08:37] That's why I opted out of a SSD. [08:37] My netbook has a nice 160GB traditional drive. [08:37] i don't mind the ssd [08:38] I just bought a new one because of a good price [08:38] but 9.04 doesn't work so nice on it so putting on 9.10 now [08:38] but it still looks like the sound wont work [08:38] What model? [08:39] the hp mini 110 [08:39] Yeah [08:39] Seems to be a common issue [08:39] http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=hp+mini+110+sound+linux&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=6b22d27f49a5e7dd [08:39] it's weird because UNR 9.10 seems to work with its sound [08:41] That is weird since xubuntu uses the standard ubuntu kernel and I think so does NBR. [08:41] yeah thats why I figured it would work out of the box [08:42] turtle_, Have you tried it with headphones? [08:42] "Speakers don't work on Ubuntu 9.04, headphones work OK. Both work on Ubuntu 9.10 Beta" [08:43] i'll give it a try in a sec [08:43] i didn't even think of that, how stupid of me [08:43] It happens to the best of us. [08:43] ;) [08:44] another linux-newb question, can i mount /home on an external ssd? [08:45] you can mount it anywhere [08:45] ^ [08:46] the problem may be: what happens when you diconnect it? [08:46] YOU DIE [08:46] :D [08:47] brutal :P [08:47] We don't half ass things. [08:47] ;) [08:48] ...unlike microsoft [08:48] Haha. [08:48] Or even Apple for that matter. [08:49] *cough* [08:49] gah I'm struggling with the mounting of these partitions.... I understand the primary one should be '/', but the second one, which I intend to use to test new distro's, should be mounted as what? [08:50] You can mount it anywhere you want. [08:50] Somewhere in /media would be best. [08:50] or should I leave it empty and get the other distro to sort it out [08:51] turtle_: you don't have to mount it [08:51] turtle_: yeah, you can do that [08:51] Yeah. [08:51] Just because a partition exists doesn't mean it HAS to be mounted. [08:52] I usually mount it in /mnt/other or something like that, just to have access to it [08:52] yeah I understand that, just the program is throwing me errors [08:52] I only use vbox these days [08:52] I am thinking of putting it as /media/altdistro [08:53] turtle_: /media is mostly for automounted stuff [08:53] turtle_: of course that's only a tradition [08:53] I use media for everything because I think splitting them up was stupid. [08:53] But that's just me. [08:53] /mnt or /media - pick one IMHO [08:53] well I'm still getting my linux feet and thats where I tend to look for my stuff [08:54] you know, the linux motto should be "whatever works for you" [08:54] also, "screw kde" [08:54] :D [08:54] jk [08:55] !language | jar [08:55] jar: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [08:55] lol [08:55] Who in their right mind would consider that NSFW? [08:55] o_O [08:55] I've heard worse language on Nickelodean. [08:55] Not even kidding. [08:55] jar: not all the world is raised in USA [08:56] The USA is actually pretty conservative in our views of what should be allowed on TV. [08:56] they swear in the original transformers [08:56] but that's not the topic of this channel [08:57] * jar slaps his forehead [09:07] can I go into gparted after the install is finished and make the ntfs partition mount as /media/windoze? [09:08] no need for gparted for that [09:08] !ntfs [09:08] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE [09:08] !ntfs-3g [09:08] ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions [09:10] thanks TheSheep , I'll check it out [09:15] 16sec boot time... tasty [10:12] hi all.... after an upgrade to ubuntu 9.10, sound is turned off when I log in to xfce - how do I set it to be turned on when I log in? [11:37] Hi all. I've got problem playing .wmv files. If i start mplayer from GUI it plays sound only but when started form command line it works well. Once I have solved this problem but damn i forgot how. Here is passthebin of mplayer-cli http://pastebin.com/f306b4bd3. [12:02] anyone managed to get the telstra wbb working with 9.10? === emma_ is now known as emma [13:59] hi [14:00] I'm trying to install a new kernel according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158&highlight=kernel [14:00] after step 10 I get the files in /boot [14:00] hi [14:00] !kernel | oberon [14:00] oberon: The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages [14:00] hi pal [14:01] yea i come to irc:) [14:01] knome, the question is - how do I make the new kernel apear on the grub menu on boot ? [14:01] oberon, please refer to the last link === hfsdo_ is now known as hfsdo [18:58] back in xubuntu land :-P [18:59] nicklas_, Welcome Back! [18:59] :) [18:59] hi, my friend has xubuntu and i want to send him messages that will popup on his screen, via local network, what is the app supporting this? [19:00] BeteNoire, You mean like a dialog box? [19:00] jar, ty :-) [19:00] :) [19:00] i used sabayon, but it crashed after nvidia update [19:01] Isn't sabayon based on gentoo? [19:01] yup [19:01] jar: not exactly dialog, i don't want him to click yes or no :) just send short message that will popu [19:01] I'll keep my comments about portage to myself. [19:01] BeteNoire, You could ssh into his machine and use zenity. [19:01] wut? [19:01] discussion about gentoo here? :) [19:01] BeteNoire, nicklas_ was using a gentoo based distro. [19:01] ;) [19:02] But he came to his senses and returned here. [19:02] :D [19:02] i am using gentoo on most of my machines :)2~ [19:02] I'll have to bite my lip extra hard then. [19:02] :D [19:02] :> [19:03] don't worry, i'm familiar with tension between distro users :) [19:03] Hehe, it's all in good fun for the most part. [19:03] Xubuntu and Gentoo have completely different target audiences. [19:03] ;) [19:04] yes, gentoo when you want to configure ans xubuntu when you want to use :P [19:04] (i'm not gonna start flamewar) [19:04] *g* [19:05] Sysi, At least in #xubuntu you know you'd have backup. [19:05] Haha. [19:05] i don't need :) [19:06] hehe [19:06] anyone knows what libs that are installed in regular ubuntu but not in xubuntu that are required to play quake 4? [19:07] nicklas_, console output should tell you. [19:07] jar, where? [19:07] ah yes [19:07] when trying to start it you mean? [19:07] Yes. [19:09] i have been using both ubuntu and kubuntu, but i have figured out i dont need all that eye candy [19:09] so xubuntu is good :-) [19:09] I actually prefer XFce to GNOME [19:09] In the way of appearances [19:10] xfwm has compositor support and that's enough for me [19:10] yes, for me too [19:10] that eye candy is enough [19:10] mhmm [19:11] kirkasvärinen ja xfce transparencies ♥ [19:11] what [19:11] hehe [19:11] *xfce transparencies ♥ [19:11] Nice unicode. [19:12] easiest way to get damm goodlooking system [19:12] ;) [19:13] http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/scort.png [19:13] didn't take long to set up [19:13] hehe [19:13] exept that i changed buttons to window borders [19:17] http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8097/desktopxfce4.png [19:17] That's my desktop. [19:18] should i paste my others? [19:18] If you'd like. [19:19] mmph, anime [19:19] Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood ;P [19:19] http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/siiseli.png [19:20] http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/leelu.png [19:20] girly [19:20] lol [19:20] :) [19:20] that was for school [19:21] ah [19:21] now i use the upper [19:21] hehe [19:21] tesmachine's gonna be mac-replica [19:21] ah [19:22] *test machine [19:22] how hard can tuping be [19:22] yeah, exactly [19:23] :) [19:50] this blocking list in transmission, what is it? what does it mean? [19:52] nicklas_, it blocks know riaa/mpaa types [19:52] and what is that? [19:53] copyright agencies [19:53] basically [19:53] aha, then you dont wanna use that [19:53] no, you do [19:53] it blocks them [19:53] so you cant download illegal files? [19:54] No, so they can't watch you. [19:54] aah [19:54] cool [22:59] yo [22:59] welcome back [22:59] :-) [22:59] ohai [23:00] so what dists have you used? [23:00] currently installing fedora [23:00] I've used a ton. [23:00] also used this earlier [23:00] I'm 21 and been using Linux since I was 12. [23:01] Stuck with XFce more or less since early 4.0.x releases. [23:01] i've used linux for, 2 years? [23:01] fedora is the only major dist i havent tried i think, seems like too much work [23:01] I used Redhat 9 then Fedora Core 1 [23:02] Back a few years ago [23:02] fedora is nice [23:02] My first XFce experience was on Redhat now that I think about it. [23:03] but isnt it annoying getting nvidia drivers working? and mp3 and flash and such? [23:03] i had to use xfce, i only had 256mb ram [23:03] lol ok [23:03] nicklas_, works about the same as on Xubuntu [23:03] no, as far as i know [23:03] jar, meta ? [23:03] available on rpmfusion iirc [23:04] I believe Package Kit takes care of that stuff. [23:04] this is with kde :S [23:04] http://www.packagekit.org/pk-screenshots.html [23:04] well, xubuntu/ubuntu is good, what is different with fedora? [23:04] installation done, i'm gonna reboot [23:05] nicklas_, A different distro entirely. [23:05] package manager [23:05] rpm yes [23:05] and all programs are updated [23:05] its more up to date? [23:05] yes [23:05] Not really. [23:05] It's about the same. [23:05] in ubuntu i can add playdeb repos to get the latest games, i am a gamer [23:05] firefor came earier to fedora [23:06] so i want latest open arena, warsow and siuch [23:06] reboot → [23:06] Sysi, Firefox has been in *buntu since the beginning? [23:06] when updated to 3.5 [23:06] You didn't specify version. [23:06] Also. [23:07] in ubuntu you needed install it separately [23:07] PPA's exist for this purpose. [23:07] i still haven't :P [23:07] Fedora markets itself as version over feature. [23:07] er [23:07] stability [23:07] Fedora is just a base for Redhat. [23:07] A test ground, basically. [23:07] i dont want an unstable system that i have to reinstall or anything, thats why i dumped sabayon [23:08] fedora is definetly not for me then [23:08] Fedora isn't marketed as a stable desktop. [23:08] It's Redhat's cutting edge test bed. [23:08] then you will get problems with nvidia drivers, xorg, kernel and such [23:09] nah [23:09] i think xubuntu is the only dist i want to use right now [23:09] Fedora always adopts stuff first and deals with the breakage later. [23:10] nicklas_: where have you heard about problems with nvidia? [23:10] i think i read somewhere that drivers are in rpmfusion [23:11] I havent heard about any problems with nvidia in fedora, but i know how cutting edge distros is [23:11] so im not going with fedora :-P [23:12] well, ubuntu is a bit cutting edge [23:12] ubuntu/xubuntu has the best mix between stabillity and fresh software [23:12] i think [23:13] it works after updating packages [23:13] ahem, ubuntu glasses? [23:13] lol [23:13] no [23:13] i know ubuntu and derivants are good [23:13] i also like pardis [23:13] but at least karmic have been a bit diappointment [23:13] pardus [23:14] yes [23:14] but right now its the only dist i can use [23:14] Sysi, jaunty was a very good release for xubuntu. [23:15] yes, i still have that on desktop [23:15] working perfectly [23:15] why is it a dissapointment? [23:15] bugs [23:16] yes? [23:16] sound muted after boot etc [23:16] wlan stucks [23:16] had that problem with previous version, muted sound [23:16] but not now [23:18] in karmic, there is not really a media player that *just works*. [23:18] i haven [23:18] there isnt? [23:18] it does for me [23:18] 't had problems [23:18] listen is totally unusable, banshee doesn't always even start, exaile crashes often [23:18] rhythmbox ftw [23:18] no problem here [23:19] audacious is also good [23:19] yeah [23:19] nicklas_, good to hear, but i've had a different experience [23:19] i need a player that's able to handle a collection [23:19] I use Banshee happily fwiw. [23:19] :( [23:19] It's not exactly lightweight. [23:19] But eh, it's worth it. [23:20] knome: why not rhythmbox? [23:20] Sysi, can't remember. [23:20] i've tested it though. [23:20] i like it, everyone doesn't [23:20] why did xubuntu change from listen too exaile? [23:20] why did change to listen [23:21] nicklas_, more featureful. and fwiw, listen is totally broken in karmic :P [23:21] it is? [23:21] at least for me. [23:22] again i can't remember what's broken there but it didn't work [23:22] so i stooped using it [23:23] iirc there was some kind of memleak/crashing issue on listen [23:23] you didnt get audio or something like that? [23:23] it might have been solved by now [23:23] i did. [23:23] can't really remember, that's so long ago [23:27] this kde soo sucks [23:27] i can't even choose a language [23:27] xfce.now [23:28] i dont need gnome or kde anymore, too much eye candy and functions :-P [23:28] not enough :) [23:28] or hard to set up [23:30] lol woot? [23:31] opacities first [23:31] moving beetveen workspaces [23:31] in kde you mean? [23:32]