| txwikinger | nixternal: I guess the Bears season just finished | 00:27 |
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| jjesse | if gimp is no longer going to be included in ubuntu by default and f-spot is,what are we going to include? | 02:30 |
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| nixternal | jjesse: gwenview, what we have always included | 02:34 |
| jjesse | ok thx | 02:36 |
| jjesse | working on docs :) | 02:36 |
| jjesse | hrnn | 02:39 |
| ScottK | It's them following our lead | 02:42 |
| ScottK | .... even if they didn't know it. | 02:42 |
| maco | because we rock? | 02:42 |
| maco | unlike my mum's computer right now. >< | 02:42 |
| ScottK | maco: We've controlled hard drives by UUID since edgy or feisty. Instead of thinking sda or sdb, make sure you're getting the right UUID. | 02:44 |
| maco | grub's device.map doesnt use UUIDs | 02:44 |
| maco | it has sda and sdb | 02:44 |
| ScottK | OMFG, and we switched to that? | 02:46 |
| ScottK | There's very seriously a good reason we switched to UUIDs in the first place. | 02:47 |
| ScottK | You can't rely on the BIOS to give you consistent ordering so device names are (or at least historically) have been very unreliable with multiple drives. | 02:48 |
| maco | im pretty sure my BIOS only recognizes 1 of the drives as bootable, and thats sdb | 02:49 |
| maco | my BIOS only lists 1 optical drive, 1 hard disk, and floppy | 02:49 |
| maco | though i have 2 optical and 2 hard disk | 02:49 |
| maco | the one that the BIOS recognizes as bootable is seen by the OS as sdb though. go figure | 02:50 |
| maco | and that is consistent | 02:50 |
| ScottK | Weird | 02:51 |
| nixternal | !nixternal | 02:51 |
| ubottu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Windows7 lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, and help on the MIRC client too! <nixternal> I LOVE MIRC!!! | 02:51 |
| nixternal | yes, I am loving my new Windows 7 PC I got today \o/ | 02:52 |
| nixternal | I can shake a window and it maximizes...how insanely awesome is that? | 02:52 |
| DarkwingDuck | Sweet | 02:52 |
| nixternal | awesomely useless | 02:52 |
| DarkwingDuck | Kinda like Desktop Cubes? | 02:52 |
| nixternal | I was showing it off, and said "Look the windows don't wobble" | 02:52 |
| nixternal | my buddy goes "NO! but they do maximize" | 02:53 |
| maco | you can do that in compiz | 02:53 |
| maco | grab the title bar and wobble it a bit and throw it at the top of the screen | 02:53 |
| maco | itll maximize automatically | 02:53 |
| nixternal | I am working on a project that requires a little windows support, so I needed to get it...Bittorrent wasn't cutting it, so I was like, screw buying the box, let me just go get a desktop | 02:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | Hey, what was the help summit that shaumn was talking about nixternal? | 02:54 |
| nixternal | we are holding a help summit with all of the distros here in Chicago in like March | 02:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | ahhh | 02:54 |
| nixternal | the GNOME peeps are starting to hack in Chicago, so us KDE folks need to do something | 02:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | I would love to make it... don't know if I will be able to with $$ and leave time | 02:55 |
| nixternal | shaunm is the GNOME head doc dude, even created a new markup for topic-based help | 02:55 |
| jjesse | nixternal i use those all the time | 02:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | hey jjesse | 02:55 |
| nixternal | which, I will look at incoroporating one of these days in to KHC, once mallard matures that is | 02:55 |
| jjesse | hey DarkwingDuck | 02:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | oh, nixternal you want me to use KDE docs for the desktop docs and mod them for lucid? | 02:56 |
| nixternal | ok, Storm Chasers is coming on, and one of the crews gets wiped out by a tornado, so I can't miss it...back later :) | 02:56 |
| ScottK | DarkwingDuck: Space A and nixternal's couch should minimize the $$$ requirements. | 02:56 |
| nixternal | :) | 02:56 |
| ScottK | Not too many people actually WANT to go to Chicago in March, so it should be easy. | 02:56 |
| nixternal | DarkwingDuck: you can't do that, KDE docs are GFDL, Ubuntu Documenation Project is CC-by-SA 3.0 | 02:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | ahhhhh | 02:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | I was wondering about that. | 02:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay, off to the drawing board. | 02:57 |
| nixternal | we are so much smarter than every other documentation project, that we chose CC-by-SA, whereas all of the smart kids use GFDL | 02:57 |
| nixternal | anywho, going to watch tv now | 02:57 |
| nixternal | later | 02:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | hehehe | 02:57 |
| kb9vqf | Anyone else noticed long-term NFS instability in Karmic? | 03:48 |
| kb9vqf | Usually ending with a frozen filesystem and the process accessing the disk, but sometimes even a kernel freeze (not panic, oddly enough)? | 03:48 |
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| ofirk | nixternal: can you give me your mail so we can talk about the feature tour for kubuntu website? | 06:59 |
| ghostcube | woha i copied danger from the deep svn yesterday | 08:09 |
| ghostcube | 3 hours | 08:09 |
| ghostcube | :D | 08:09 |
| ghostcube | i hate it if the coders copy there wepgae to a game svn trunk so you checkout all stuff you dont need | 08:09 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: wepgae? | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: uah, KHC, are you sure you dont want to rewrite it from scratch? | 08:16 |
| apachelogger | so much to do, so little work | 08:16 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger: means weppage ? | 08:26 |
| ghostcube | webpage lol | 08:26 |
| ghostcube | http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/ | 08:26 |
| woodbj | does kde 4.4 beta 1 come out tomorrow | 08:28 |
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| Mamarok | apachelogger: you changed name apparently, see the Weekly newsletter: "Herald" :) | 09:04 |
| Mamarok | we have a Herald now :) | 09:04 |
| jussi01 | Mamarok: does he now get to ring a bell and shout the new in the city street? | 09:22 |
| Mamarok | well, I guess so :) | 09:26 |
| ghostcube | TB 3.0 rc1 sux | 09:43 |
| ghostcube | boah is this a bad ass coded release | 09:43 |
| markey | Tubular Bells 3? I think it rocks :) | 09:45 |
| ghostcube | hahaha | 09:46 |
| ghostcube | :;) | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: with svn you do not have to checkout the whole tree, but just the parts that you are interested in | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: good research is the key to world domination I suppose :P | 09:48 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger: yeah but the svn co command on the page is wrong | 09:56 |
| ghostcube | it clones the whole trunk | 09:56 |
| ghostcube | :D | 09:56 |
| ghostcube | and as i noticed it was to late | 09:56 |
| ghostcube | back to TB 4.0 beta 4 all works again | 10:01 |
| ghostcube | o.O | 10:01 |
| ghostcube | anyone should kill mozilla coders | 10:01 |
| ghostcube | 3.0 | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: well, dont use it :P | 10:21 |
| ghostcube | should i use outlook o.O | 10:25 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: how about mutt? | 10:47 |
| apachelogger | using a sensible mail client certainly would be an option | 10:47 |
| apachelogger | IMHO | 10:47 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger: i need one working on windows and linu | 10:56 |
| ghostcube | so i just use TB | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | so where is the problem with mutt in this regard? | 10:57 |
| ghostcube | never used mutt | 10:57 |
| ghostcube | normally i must use outlook | 10:58 |
| ryanakca | ghostcube: mutt rocks :) | 10:59 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: [earlier] http://packages.debian.org/sid/bangarang ... I guess I can requestsync and then drop the copyright once in Ubuntu? The changes have been commited to the packaging branch. [/earlier] | 11:00 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: yus | 11:00 |
| apachelogger | also I hope you documented the manual deps somehow | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | and I hope they are justified :P | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | also mutt-ng is maintained by an austrian born in the same city as I :P | 11:01 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: I'll justify them in the packaging branch and copy the changes over once sync'd | 11:01 |
| Sput | nixternal: nowadays (in kwin) you can drag the window titlebar to the top of the screen and have it maximize | 11:03 |
| Sput | or to other edges to have it cover half the screen | 11:04 |
| Sput | yeah, win7 came up with that FAIK, but that's no reason for us to not have it as well :) | 11:04 |
| al | they should've patented it | 11:04 |
| Sput | they possibly did :) | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | compiz came up with it | 11:05 |
| Sput | oh? didn't know that | 11:05 |
| Sput | I left that mess years ago :) | 11:05 |
| Sput | so win7 copied again? | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | yus | 11:06 |
| Sput | we should start patenting stuffz then! | 11:07 |
| Lex79 | apachelogger: why bug #484802 is fixed in karmic proposed and not in Lucid? | 11:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 484802 in kdeedu "SRU: Parley fails to initialize Python scripts" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484802 | 11:15 |
| Lex79 | uhm no it seems fixed | 11:18 |
| ghostcube | Windooze 7 is an Solaris Ubuntu KDE QT clon | 12:34 |
| ghostcube | o.o | 12:34 |
| ghostcube | thats why its working | 12:34 |
| ghostcube | :D | 12:34 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger: du bistn ösi ? | 12:35 |
| ghostcube | :D | 12:35 |
| apachelogger | hai | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | an why is windows 7 a quick time clone? | 12:46 |
| * apachelogger doesnt find the UI very quicktimey | 12:46 | |
| jussi01 | hehe | 12:47 |
| ghostcube | why des noone like my shortenings today | 12:48 |
| ghostcube | o.O | 12:48 |
| ghostcube | man merkt wo du her kommst :P | 12:48 |
| ghostcube | hahaha | 12:48 |
| ghostcube | friend of mine is now ösi too left munich arrived in insbruck for studying | 12:48 |
| ghostcube | :) | 12:49 |
| Sput | not much of a difference | 12:49 |
| ghostcube | nope | 12:49 |
| ghostcube | :) | 12:49 |
| ghostcube | hmmm mayn devs here are germans or ? | 12:50 |
| ghostcube | many | 12:50 |
| gastly | does anyone know how I can increase the timeout for notifications? I'm on kde 4.3.2 | 12:52 |
| ghostcube | so they keep staying inside the i ? | 12:53 |
| ghostcube | hmm thats a good question | 12:53 |
| gastly | well, they just come and go...by the time you notice there's a notification...*poof* they disappear :p | 12:53 |
| amichair | I find the default timeout too short as well... don't always manage to read the full notification before it disappears | 12:54 |
| ghostcube | amichair: ack :) | 12:57 |
| ghostcube | isnt there an button to say dont hide notifies | 12:57 |
| ghostcube | i remember this | 12:57 |
| amichair | right click on the i -> options -> auto hide | 12:58 |
| gastly | yes there is, but then the the user's will have to hide them manually...that's even more annoying with lots of notifications coming in | 12:59 |
| amichair | when the next notification arrives, I can tell u if it works :-) | 12:59 |
| ghostcube | ah exactemont | 12:59 |
| ghostcube | :D | 12:59 |
| ghostcube | gastly: true | 12:59 |
| amichair | yeah, there should be a configurable timeout value in the options | 12:59 |
| ghostcube | so an timeout switch would be cool eh ? | 12:59 |
| ghostcube | ;) | 12:59 |
| gastly | hehe yeah ;) | 13:00 |
| ghostcube | is there any chance plasma advanced config isnt anymore layen to the zoom out function | 13:00 |
| ghostcube | this is a bit annyoing too | 13:00 |
| ghostcube | o.o | 13:00 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: neversfelde is a german contributor :P | 13:02 |
| ghostcube | yeah this i have known | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | the dev ratio is a bit on the US side | 13:02 |
| ghostcube | der kackt mich immer an wenn ich was falsches sage | 13:02 |
| ghostcube | :D | 13:02 |
| ghostcube | ah ok :) | 13:02 |
| neversfelde | ? | 13:02 |
| ghostcube | lol da isser schon | 13:03 |
| ghostcube | warn witz der herr | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | neversfeldi! :) | 13:03 |
| neversfelde | hehe | 13:03 |
| ghostcube | heh i have the solution for my printer-applet crash at logout rofl | 13:05 |
| ghostcube | i kill it short before i logoff | 13:05 |
| ghostcube | ok bad joke :| i go back to work here | 13:05 |
| amichair | hmmm notifications still auto-hide even with the option unchecked | 13:08 |
| amichair | what are the 'system tray icons' checkboxes for? and the main checkbox? not too clear | 13:08 |
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| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| === frederik is now known as fregl | ||
| yuriy | this halsectomy thing sounds scary -- is KDE on top of that at all? | 15:27 |
| ScottK | Good question | 15:32 |
| Mamarok | halsectomy? | 15:34 |
| yuriy | Mamarok: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy | 15:34 |
| amichair | that does sound scary! | 15:34 |
| EagleSn | j ubuntu | 15:34 |
| yuriy | short story is hal is deprecated and getting ripped out of default ubuntu | 15:35 |
| Mamarok | ouch | 15:35 |
| Mamarok | KDE uses HAL all the time... | 15:35 |
| yuriy | through solid i hope -- question is is there a DeviceKit backend? | 15:35 |
| yuriy | i think that's the new thing | 15:36 |
| ScottK | Yep | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | markey: could the cover manager be made non-blocking? | 15:37 |
| yuriy | *googles* sounds like there are at least two http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-kde/2009-August/003536.html | 15:37 |
| * rdieter_work knows of http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/alternate-solid-devicekit/ | 15:37 | |
| apachelogger | it is a bit annoying to wait 5 minutes for it to finish loading :| | 15:37 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: 5 minutes? something is wrong in your package then | 15:38 |
| Mamarok | also, AFAIK this is fixed in git | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | no, I just happen to have a billion albums | 15:38 |
| Mamarok | and in 2.2.1 already | 15:38 |
| * apachelogger waits for album manager to finish loading so he can check what version is installed :D | 15:39 | |
| Mamarok | hm, my bad, still not fixed :( | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: quite ugly with large collections, though it probably also is with small ones | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | blocking is so 90s :) | 15:41 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: I just marked it as a release_blocker, let's hope they look into it for the beta | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | cool, thx | 15:41 |
| === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto | ||
| Daskreech | how do I login to the Live Cd ? | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | srsly now, is it just me or is knm refusing to work | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | like at all | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | it's like trying to use a stone to connect to wifi | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | as unresponsive -.- | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | Daskreech: there should be autologin? | 18:12 |
| EagleScreen | Daskreech: I think it is user: ubuntu; pass: `in blank` | 18:13 |
| Daskreech | It drops me to the login screen when I boot it up | 18:20 |
| Daskreech | apachelogger: there isn't when did autologin get turned on? | 18:20 |
| Daskreech | I don't mean inital autologin I mean if you happen to logout of the session | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | ohhhh | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | Daskreech: bug report + mail to list | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | I suppose we either need to prevent logouts or make kdm relogin at once | 18:21 |
| tsimpson | I'm pretty sure the username is "ubuntu" with no password | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | latter probably makes more sense since X could crash | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | letting people face again the question how to login | 18:22 |
| tsimpson | doesn't the system auto-shutdown once X dies? | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | then again if X crashes it might very well be that people get pissed off :P | 18:22 |
| * apachelogger got wifi to work \\o/ | 18:22 | |
| tsimpson | I remember restarting X once by accident on the LiveCD, the system just started to shutdown as if I choose shutdown from the logout menu | 18:23 |
| Daskreech | apachelogger: My problem is it doesn't login the first time it just drops me to a KDM login | 18:23 |
| Daskreech | tsimpson: no it doesn't | 18:23 |
| tsimpson | must have been "fixed" | 18:23 |
| Daskreech | and given the stabilty of X it's kinda a dumb thing to do | 18:23 |
| apachelogger | hummmm | 18:24 |
| tsimpson | either X or KDM, one of those | 18:24 |
| Daskreech | tsimpson: Yeah I've seen it do that too but I think that's a fluke and more of a bug | 18:24 |
| Daskreech | EagleScreen: with the ` ? | 18:25 |
| EagleScreen | Daskreech: blank == no password, empty | 18:25 |
| Daskreech | doesn't even acknowledge it | 18:26 |
| Daskreech | It's like I didn't press enter | 18:26 |
| Daskreech | doesn't work from the TTY either | 18:27 |
| * Daskreech *sighs* | 18:27 | |
| * apachelogger uploads new knm package | 18:27 | |
| EagleScreen | Daskreech: if you don fidn right user and password, dont cry, just restart KDM | 18:27 |
| jussi01 | rgreening: can you rejoin -bots-devel? | 18:27 |
| * rgreening forgot the channel (on a diff laptop)... thanks | 18:28 | |
| apachelogger | quassel | 18:28 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 18:28 |
| Daskreech | EagleScreen: And then what? | 18:29 |
| EagleScreen | Daskreech: when restarting kdm, you will be logged in automatically | 18:29 |
| EagleScreen | if not, stop kdm and run startx command | 18:30 |
| Daskreech | EagleScreen: How? | 18:30 |
| EagleScreen | using 9.10? | 18:30 |
| * apachelogger finds that suggestion a bit weird considering Daskreech can not login to begin with?! | 18:30 | |
| Daskreech | EagleScreen; No You are not you just get back the Login screen | 18:31 |
| Daskreech | Yes | 18:31 |
| EagleScreen | sudo service kdm restart | 18:31 |
| Daskreech | EagleScreen: How? | 18:31 |
| EagleScreen | Daskreech: go to any tty and run command there | 18:32 |
| Daskreech | This is prelogin :) | 18:32 |
| Daskreech | EagleScreen: I get a login | 18:32 |
| Daskreech | You used to be autologged in on the TTY hasn't been true since Ibex I think | 18:32 |
| EagleScreen | arent tty's logged in? | 18:33 |
| Daskreech | nope | 18:33 |
| EagleScreen | then you are lost | 18:34 |
| Daskreech | Curerntly if I boot up a Live CD one of the first nervous thigns I do is change the password because if there are any hiccups then it's reboot time | 18:34 |
| Daskreech | Shouldn't KDM be set to autologin ubuntu after 15 seconds. It's a plain KDE setting | 18:35 |
| EagleScreen | yes Daskreech, please file a bug in Launchpad | 18:35 |
| * Daskreech puts that down as a paperkut to be looked at by a doktor | 18:36 | |
| Daskreech | Bah anyone knows anythign about networking? | 18:41 |
| Daskreech | I'm trying to sort out this wireless network | 18:41 |
| apachelogger | Daskreech: you could just ask :P | 18:48 |
| Daskreech | What should I be doing with the RTS threshhold | 18:49 |
| Daskreech | I'm trying to figure out what's wrong first of al | 18:49 |
| Daskreech | things like Bing or google pop up in seconds | 18:49 |
| Daskreech | Yahoo takes like 6 minutes to load | 18:49 |
| Daskreech | other sites are damn near invisible. They resolve but after initial contact I never hear from them again | 18:49 |
| EagleScreen | i had a similar issue in OpenSuse 11.2 | 18:50 |
| Daskreech | If the computer is connected directly to the router things move faste (Yahoo loads in 1-2 minutes) | 18:50 |
| Daskreech | So I'm playing with the wireless options to see if that can be boosted a little | 18:50 |
| Daskreech | THis is Vista | 18:50 |
| EagleScreen | 1-2 minutes? is it faster? | 18:50 |
| Daskreech | Which is why I carried a live CD which now is fun to toss up in the air and watch it sparkle | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | Daskreech: try another channel | 18:51 |
| EagleScreen | ask it in #kubuntu | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | if there are a lot of overlapping wifis it can cause problems of that sort | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | the larger the site the more packages can get lost | 18:52 |
| EagleScreen | I feel that KDE check spelling is not working propertly in 4.3.3 packages from Updates PPA | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | hence the long loading time for yahoo IMHO | 18:52 |
| Daskreech | one wifi point | 18:52 |
| Daskreech | 12 clients | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | still, try fiddling with the channel | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | there isnt really anything the access point should do that would cause outside communication problems | 18:53 |
| Daskreech | Yeah that's what I was going on. Plus they have been offline for over a month so they are pulling hundreds of Megs of updates now :( | 18:53 |
| Daskreech | ok swapping otu channels | 18:55 |
| ScottK | Lex79: How's spell checking in the 4.3.4 stuff you're working on? | 18:55 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: mind translating bug 489125 ? | 18:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 489125 in kde4libs "(french): gestionnaire de logiciels ne peut plus mettre à jour le système, erreur (1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/489125 | 18:56 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: Package manager doesn't update the system anymore, error 1 | 18:57 |
| * Mamarok checks the report | 18:57 | |
| EagleScreen | I cannot open chek spell window either in Konqueror or Lokalize | 18:58 |
| apachelogger | that sounds incredibly non-technical and thus can not come from some KDE thingy :D | 18:58 |
| EagleScreen | and wrongly typed words are not underlined | 18:58 |
| EagleScreen | tested that it works well in Debian testing | 18:58 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: he says: after removing xtux the package manager doesn't update his system anymore | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | hm | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | interesting, not easily triaged though | 18:59 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 454115 maybe? | 19:00 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: seen my slides or did they get stuck in the shredder of the ML? | 19:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 454115 in xtux "apt-get remove fails for xtux-client and xtux-server" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/454115 | 19:00 |
| JontheEchidna | lol @ wishlist tho | 19:00 |
| JontheEchidna | I'd shove it over xtux's way regardless | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: quite possibly | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | well, it is french | 19:01 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, those are hard to get feedback from | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | so technically it first needs to be triaged towards englishness | 19:01 |
| Mamarok | but it has been answered by marc Deslauriel, no? | 19:01 |
| Mamarok | in English | 19:01 |
| JontheEchidna | that's just "this isn't a security bug" boiler plate that the security team gives to all bugs mistakenly reported as security issues | 19:02 |
| apachelogger | security team does not care all that much :P | 19:02 |
| Mamarok | ah, ok | 19:02 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: could you ask the reporter to do https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xtux/+bug/454115/comments/5 | 19:02 |
| Mamarok | seems xtux related, though | 19:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 454115 in xtux "apt-get remove fails for xtux-client and xtux-server" [Wishlist,Fix released] | 19:02 |
| apachelogger | should be the same issue | 19:02 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: ok | 19:02 |
| apachelogger | also fits the description of failing updates, since apt-get will fail on anything unless the package is removed | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: the bug can be closed then, thanks for the help :) | 19:04 |
| Mamarok | done | 19:06 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: whatever happened to those jockey bugs we discussed a while back? were they merged? | 19:06 |
| JontheEchidna | I never got around to poking pitti | 19:06 |
| Mamarok | do I close it as Fix Released? | 19:07 |
| Mamarok | or just mark it as a duplicate? | 19:07 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: most jockey reports seem to be about the packages it installs, not the actual app.. do u know of any code-related ones that I might be able to help with? | 19:08 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: ? | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: dup I think | 19:08 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: not off the top of my head, no. The activation bug was really the only major one | 19:08 |
| Mamarok | ok | 19:08 |
| JontheEchidna | jockey-kde could stand to have policykit support implemented | 19:09 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I think the security team very much cares, but just about the stuff they have been specifically told to care about. | 19:10 |
| EagleScreen | amichair: jockey cause system crash (kernel) at installing bcmwl-kernel-source | 19:10 |
| * ScottK finds this a reasonable position. | 19:10 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: yeah, I meant it doesnt care about the report being french, because it is not security issue eitherway | 19:10 |
| ScottK | OK | 19:10 |
| JontheEchidna | So the meeting is in 50 mins, right? | 19:11 |
| ScottK | Roughly. | 19:12 |
| EagleScreen | amichair: installing those packages with apt does not cause any problem | 19:12 |
| ScottK | Assuming it's today | 19:12 |
| rgreening | lol | 19:14 |
| amichair | EagleScreen: I'll take a look (don't have that hardware myself to test with though) | 19:15 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: I was never able to say this on the ML, but the reason that I myself didn't send out the doodle link was that my kio_smtp was broken by the Qt 4.6 rc transition | 19:15 |
| JontheEchidna | otherwise I would have | 19:15 |
| EagleScreen | ok, do you the bug report localized, amichair? | 19:15 |
| rgreening | heh | 19:15 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: np... | 19:15 |
| * rgreening was feeling disconnected | 19:16 | |
| amichair | EagleScreen: I think you a verb | 19:16 |
| JontheEchidna | well, at least you could send email :P | 19:16 |
| ScottK | Would someone please reply to the guy that wants to help Kubuntu on kubuntu-devel? | 19:16 |
| rgreening | true... I was reading it frm ym Archos5 Internet Tablet (awesome device) | 19:16 |
| EagleScreen | lol, sorry, i meant if do you have the bug report, it is Bug #448753 | 19:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 448753 in linux "System hangs when I use jockey for first time to enable "wl" module" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/448753 | 19:17 |
| amichair | EagleScreen: is it a dup of bug #423479? | 19:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423479 in linux "Kernel crash when bcmwl is installed via jockey." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423479 | 19:19 |
| EagleScreen | oh yes, they are duplicated | 19:21 |
| * txwikinger wonders if he should disable konqi | 19:22 | |
| EagleScreen | konqi is the crash handler? | 19:22 |
| txwikinger | no I mean konqueror | 19:23 |
| amichair | EagleScreen: it's both on gtk and kde? | 19:23 |
| EagleScreen | how do you "disable" konqueror? | 19:23 |
| txwikinger | move the binary to somewhere it is not found | 19:24 |
| EagleScreen | if you want to avoid its usage, I think the only job to do is preset another default browser, any cadidate? | 19:26 |
| txwikinger | anything but | 19:28 |
| txwikinger | or a dbus fix | 19:28 |
| ScottK | jussi01: Is there an easy way to get us a meetbot here for JontheEchidna's kubuntu-dev meeting? | 19:29 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: annoy nalioth or seeker? | 19:31 |
| ScottK | jussi01: Would you please? | 19:31 |
| * ScottK is trying to help someone fix their Ruby code and he doesn't know Ruby, so distractions are a problem at the moment. | 19:31 | |
| jussi01 | hehe | 19:32 |
| jussi01 | Ill see what I can do | 19:32 |
| jussi01 | why isnt the meeting in -meeting? | 19:33 |
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| txwikinger | ScottK: Ruby is not difficult | 19:33 |
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| ScottK | txwikinger: It's not, but learning a new language while helping someone fix stuff isn't the best way to do it. | 19:33 |
| txwikinger | yeah.. can raise the complexity :D | 19:34 |
| * txwikinger wonders how to troubleshoot dbus | 19:34 | |
| * rgreening think hitting it with dtruck | 19:37 | |
| rgreening | ha | 19:37 |
| apachelogger | lol | 19:39 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: when was the meeting again? | 19:39 |
| txwikinger | jussi01: 20mins | 19:40 |
| txwikinger | rgreening: that does not fix anything, it will only cause a accident report | 19:41 |
| * jussi01 waves to Seeker` | 19:41 | |
| * Seeker` waves | 19:41 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: can I help with the ruby? | 19:42 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Not without an NDA unfortunately. | 19:43 |
| ScottK | This is $WORK. | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | ok :) | 19:44 |
| * txwikinger thinks NDA sounds very proprietary | 19:44 | |
| ScottK | It is. | 19:44 |
| * apachelogger goes looking for an appliance with psql 8.1 | 19:44 | |
| jussi01 | ScottK: mootbot is being bad. you can still use in #ubuntu-meeting but it wont join here. talk to Seeker` for more | 19:46 |
| ScottK | jussi01: OK. Thanks. | 19:46 |
| ScottK | How does everyone feel about squatting in #ubuntu-meeting for JontheEchidna's kubuntu-dev? | 19:47 |
| Seeker` | sorry, I don't know what is wrong with it, I can't access the server and the only person that can restart the bot isn't online | 19:47 |
| Tm_T | for what you need that bot now? | 19:48 |
| * txwikinger thinks that there is a redundancy deficiency | 19:48 | |
| Tm_T | if logs, I get logs | 19:48 |
| * Seeker` wonders what happened to Tm_T's ability to type English | 19:48 | |
| jussi01 | ScottK: Id strongly suggest it, theres not anyone else scheduled | 19:49 |
| ScottK | jussi01: Thanks. | 19:49 |
| Tm_T | Seeker`: it's my still ongoing dizzyness /: | 19:49 |
| jussi01 | @now utc | 19:49 |
| ubottu | Current time in Etc/UTC: November 30 2009, 19:49:35 | 19:49 |
| ScottK | Seeker`: We can use #ubuntu-meeting. thanks for trying. | 19:49 |
| ScottK | Nothing scheduled in #ubuntu-meeting. | 19:53 |
| ScottK | kubuntu-dev meeting in #ubuntu-meeting | 20:01 |
| ScottK | Tonio__, nixternal, Riddell, apachelogger: kubuntu-dev meeting in #ubuntu-meeting | 20:02 |
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| txwikinger | congrats JontheEchidna | 20:28 |
| JontheEchidna | txwikinger: thanks | 20:28 |
| JontheEchidna | If it makes it up for it, I was able to spot a problem (two actually) with a debian/changelog entry within 10 seconds in #ubuntu-motu the other day | 20:29 |
| Tm_T | and no-one mentioned Kate as an option, bah | 20:29 |
| JontheEchidna | though that is really something I should have remembered for the meeting ;-) | 20:29 |
| JontheEchidna | lol, bug 490506 | 20:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 490506 in kubuntu-meta "Kubuntu Developers shouldnt be using nano" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490506 | 20:30 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: We need Riddell or a DMB member to actually flip the permissions. | 20:31 |
| JontheEchidna | I doubt I'll need anything sponsored in between then. ;-) | 20:32 |
| * txwikinger made the mistake of clicking on the link and starting konqueror again | 20:35 | |
| Tm_T | txwikinger: what's the mistake part? | 20:36 |
| txwikinger | Tm_T: it is broken | 20:37 |
| Tm_T | oh, that's a mistake indeed | 20:37 |
| txwikinger | why is the lack of broken syntax highlighting a problem? | 20:38 |
| * txwikinger seems to be incapable of reading stuff today... maybe better write some code instead | 20:39 | |
| ScottK | nixternal: No meeting logs for today on irclogs.ubuntu.com for #ubuntu-meeting. Ugh. | 20:46 |
| ScottK | OK. Message sent. | 20:59 |
| nixternal | was gonna say, I have the logs locally | 21:02 |
| * ScottK too (I attached them) | 21:03 | |
| apachelogger | rgreening: if the fix in 18ubuntu2 was sufficient enough it should have made vim the ultimate editor, hence dch would invoke vim and make use of its superior highlighting capabilities | 21:03 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: You're in. pitti added you. | 21:05 |
| ScottK | Congratulations again. | 21:05 |
| JontheEchidna | yay | 21:06 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: mazel tov! | 21:12 |
| keffie_jayx | hey guys I hve been swiming in the sea of patches to test in launchpad | 21:18 |
| keffie_jayx | is there a wayto easily sort the de packages in laucnhpad so I can have an easier way to see what I can help with? | 21:19 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: dch invokes vim on my system, just no highlighting | 21:24 |
| txwikinger | rgreening: there is a config file you can adjust | 21:26 |
| rgreening | hmm... | 21:26 |
| * rgreening wonders why its not the default | 21:26 | |
| rgreening | txwikinger: know which file? | 21:26 |
| * txwikinger can look | 21:27 | |
| txwikinger | .vimrc | 21:27 |
| amichair | rgreening: the default editor? isn't it $EDITOR in .bashrc? | 21:27 |
| txwikinger | and /etc/vim/* | 21:27 |
| rgreening | I think you both missed the issue | 21:28 |
| rgreening | :) | 21:28 |
| * txwikinger thinks the issue is that rgreening wants to be difficult :p | 21:28 | |
| * amichair hears a wooshing sound above him | 21:28 | |
| rgreening | dch -i on the changelog does not present a vi color syntax version, eventhough I can vi changelog with color syntax | 21:28 |
| rgreening | so, I have color highlighting on... for invoking vi | 21:29 |
| rgreening | I was looking for dch (which invokes my default editior) to do the same | 21:29 |
| nixternal | parsechangelog/debian: warning: debian/changelog(l3): unrecognised line | 21:30 |
| nixternal | LINE: * Hello there! | 21:30 |
| nixternal | rgreening: ^^ you will get that when you save too | 21:30 |
| rgreening | nixternal: from vi? or from dch? | 21:31 |
| * rgreening doesn't get you? | 21:31 | |
| * rgreening thinks nixternalis on the hooch again | 21:32 | |
| rgreening | :) | 21:32 |
| nixternal | from dch | 21:32 |
| txwikinger | rgreening: It is even worse | 21:32 |
| txwikinger | dch uses nano as default editor | 21:32 |
| rgreening | my dch uses vim | 21:32 |
| rgreening | not nano | 21:32 |
| rgreening | I changed selected editor to vim | 21:32 |
| txwikinger | because you have set vim as your default | 21:33 |
| txwikinger | if you don't it uses nano | 21:33 |
| rgreening | yes | 21:33 |
| nixternal | i use vim as well, vim.basic to be exact, not that vim.tiny crap | 21:33 |
| * txwikinger thinks there should be a bug for that | 21:33 | |
| rgreening | for sure... | 21:33 |
| rgreening | I think for system tools, nano should be banned :) | 21:33 |
| rgreening | ha | 21:34 |
| nixternal | sabdfl was just on tv | 21:34 |
| nixternal | I heard, "South African, Mark Shuttleworth, ......" | 21:34 |
| nixternal | they are talking about visiting space...pretty groovy | 21:35 |
| rgreening | oh oh oh.... I fixed my dch issue | 21:35 |
| rgreening | .selected_editor:SELECTED_EDITOR="/usr/bin/vim.tiny" -> .selected_editor:SELECTED_EDITOR="/usr/bin/vim" | 21:35 |
| rgreening | I had it pointing at vim.tiny for some reason | 21:35 |
| rgreening | now I gotz color | 21:35 |
| rgreening | whee | 21:36 |
| nixternal | heh, you could also add 'set nocompatible' to your ~/.vimrc to get color and what not in vim.tiny | 21:36 |
| * rgreening is happy as a pig | 21:36 | |
| rgreening | heh | 21:36 |
| Kelytha | Hello | 21:36 |
| nixternal | i have color, syntax highlighting, code completion, and more :) | 21:36 |
| amichair | why not have all them vim features on by default? | 21:38 |
| * txwikinger does not find vim.basixc | 21:38 | |
| * nixternal has to use 'viper' for emacs now since he forgot all of the shortcuts since switching to vim a few years back | 21:38 | |
| Blizzz | JontheEchidna: congratz | 21:38 |
| JontheEchidna | thx | 21:41 |
| amichair | rgreening: my /usr/bin/vim points back (via alternatives) to vim.tiny... how do I get the not-tiny vim? | 21:49 |
| amichair | I tried installing vim-full (in wiki/forums), but it says it's missing/obsolete | 21:50 |
| txwikinger | why is there a vim.gnome, but no vim.kde? | 21:51 |
| nixternal | create a kde gui for it and then there will be one | 21:54 |
| txwikinger | amichair: install the package vim | 21:57 |
| txwikinger | nixternal: I knew someone would say that | 21:57 |
| rgreening | amichair: I think you need to install vim | 21:59 |
| rgreening | not vim-full | 21:59 |
| * txwikinger vim.tiny does syntax check too | 22:00 | |
| amichair | txwikinger, rgreening: thanks, I'm trying it. too bad the VimHowto wiki page (and other forums) say to install vim-full :-/ | 22:00 |
| rgreening | txwikinger: if you enable nocompatible or something... | 22:00 |
| rgreening | amichair: feel free to edit/update the wiki | 22:00 |
| rgreening | :) | 22:00 |
| * rgreening haz to go... shopping | 22:00 | |
| amichair | I don't feel knowledgeable enough on the matter to edit yet... | 22:01 |
| * txwikinger wonders what nixternal means with gnome gui | 22:01 | |
| amichair | ooh! nice colors in editor! me happy :-P | 22:02 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: sorry for missing the meeting, I'm afraid this highlands internet died at the wrong time :( | 22:27 |
| Riddell | well done on becoming a kubuntu-dev! | 22:27 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: thank you! | 22:30 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: The answer to my question about getting metapackages updated is apt-get source kubuntu-meta and look at the update script (it hasn't been adjusted for Lucid yet). | 22:34 |
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| maco | WOW surveymonkey (for the UDS survey) kinda falls over on arora | 23:13 |
| dtchen | I was mistakenly spammed with the UDS survey link :-) | 23:14 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: congratulations :) | 23:17 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks :) | 23:17 |
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