[00:27] <txwikinger> nixternal: I guess the Bears season just finished
[02:30] <jjesse> if gimp is no longer going to be included in ubuntu by default and f-spot is,what are we going to include?
[02:34] <nixternal> jjesse: gwenview, what we have always included
[02:36] <jjesse> ok thx
[02:36] <jjesse> working on docs :)
[02:39] <jjesse> hrnn
[02:42] <ScottK> It's them following our lead
[02:42] <ScottK>  .... even if they didn't know it.
[02:42] <maco> because we rock?
[02:42] <maco> unlike my mum's computer right now. ><
[02:44] <ScottK> maco: We've controlled hard drives by UUID since edgy or feisty.  Instead of thinking sda or sdb, make sure you're getting the right UUID.
[02:44] <maco> grub's device.map doesnt use UUIDs
[02:44] <maco> it has sda and sdb
[02:46] <ScottK> OMFG, and we switched to that?
[02:47] <ScottK> There's very seriously a good reason we switched to UUIDs in the first place.
[02:48] <ScottK> You can't rely on the BIOS to give you consistent ordering so device names are (or at least historically) have been very unreliable with multiple drives.
[02:49] <maco> im pretty sure my BIOS only recognizes 1 of the drives as bootable, and thats sdb
[02:49] <maco> my BIOS only lists 1 optical drive, 1 hard disk, and floppy
[02:49] <maco> though i have 2 optical and 2 hard disk
[02:50] <maco> the one that the BIOS recognizes as bootable is seen by the OS as sdb though. go figure
[02:50] <maco> and that is consistent
[02:51] <ScottK> Weird
[02:51] <nixternal> !nixternal
[02:52] <nixternal> yes, I am loving my new Windows 7 PC I got today \o/
[02:52] <nixternal> I can shake a window and it maximizes...how insanely awesome is that?
[02:52] <DarkwingDuck> Sweet
[02:52] <nixternal> awesomely useless
[02:52] <DarkwingDuck> Kinda like Desktop Cubes?
[02:52] <nixternal> I was showing it off, and said "Look the windows don't wobble"
[02:53] <nixternal> my buddy goes "NO! but they do maximize"
[02:53] <maco> you can do that in compiz
[02:53] <maco> grab the title bar and wobble it a bit and throw it at the top of the screen
[02:53] <maco> itll maximize automatically
[02:54] <nixternal> I am working on a project that requires a little windows support, so I needed to get it...Bittorrent wasn't cutting it, so I was like, screw buying the box, let me just go get a desktop
[02:54] <DarkwingDuck> Hey, what was the help summit that shaumn was talking about nixternal?
[02:54] <nixternal> we are holding a help summit with all of the distros here in Chicago in like March
[02:54] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh
[02:54] <nixternal> the GNOME peeps are starting to hack in Chicago, so us KDE folks need to do something
[02:55] <DarkwingDuck> I would love to make it... don't know if I will be able to with $$ and leave time
[02:55] <nixternal> shaunm is the GNOME head doc dude, even created a new markup for topic-based help
[02:55] <jjesse> nixternal i use those all the time
[02:55] <DarkwingDuck> hey jjesse
[02:55] <nixternal> which, I will look at incoroporating one of these days in to KHC, once mallard matures that is
[02:55] <jjesse> hey DarkwingDuck
[02:56] <DarkwingDuck> oh, nixternal you want me to use KDE docs for the desktop docs and mod them for lucid?
[02:56] <nixternal> ok, Storm Chasers is coming on, and one of the crews gets wiped out by a tornado, so I can't miss it...back later :)
[02:56] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Space A and nixternal's couch should minimize the $$$ requirements.
[02:56] <nixternal> :)
[02:56] <ScottK> Not too many people actually WANT to go to Chicago in March, so it should be easy.
[02:56] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: you can't do that, KDE docs are GFDL, Ubuntu Documenation Project is CC-by-SA 3.0
[02:56] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhh
[02:56] <DarkwingDuck> I was wondering about that.
[02:57] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, off to the drawing board.
[02:57] <nixternal> we are so much smarter than every other documentation project, that we chose CC-by-SA, whereas all of the smart kids use GFDL
[02:57] <nixternal> anywho, going to watch tv now
[02:57] <nixternal> later
[02:57] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[03:48] <kb9vqf> Anyone else noticed long-term NFS instability in Karmic?
[03:48] <kb9vqf> Usually ending with a frozen filesystem and the process accessing the disk, but sometimes even a kernel freeze (not panic, oddly enough)?
[06:59] <ofirk> nixternal: can you give me your mail so we can talk about the feature tour for kubuntu website?
[08:09] <ghostcube> woha i copied danger from the deep svn yesterday
[08:09] <ghostcube> 3 hours
[08:09] <ghostcube> :D
[08:09] <ghostcube> i hate it if the coders copy there wepgae to a game svn trunk so you checkout all stuff you dont need
[08:14] <apachelogger> ghostcube: wepgae?
[08:16] <apachelogger> nixternal: uah, KHC, are you sure you dont want to rewrite it from scratch?
[08:16] <apachelogger> so much to do, so little work
[08:26] <ghostcube> apachelogger: means weppage ?
[08:26] <ghostcube> webpage lol
[08:26] <ghostcube> http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/
[08:28] <woodbj> does kde 4.4 beta 1 come out tomorrow
[09:04] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you changed name apparently, see the Weekly newsletter: "Herald" :)
[09:04] <Mamarok> we have a Herald now :)
[09:22] <jussi01> Mamarok: does he now get to ring a bell and shout the new in the city street?
[09:26] <Mamarok> well, I guess so :)
[09:43] <ghostcube> TB 3.0 rc1 sux
[09:43] <ghostcube> boah is this a bad ass coded release
[09:45] <markey> Tubular Bells 3? I think it rocks :)
[09:46] <ghostcube> hahaha
[09:46] <ghostcube> :;)
[09:48] <apachelogger> ghostcube: with svn you do not have to checkout the whole tree, but just the parts that you are interested in
[09:48] <apachelogger> Mamarok: good research is the key to world domination I suppose :P
[09:56] <ghostcube> apachelogger: yeah but the svn co command on the page is wrong
[09:56] <ghostcube> it clones the whole trunk
[09:56] <ghostcube> :D
[09:56] <ghostcube> and as i noticed it was to late
[10:01] <ghostcube> back to TB 4.0 beta 4 all works again
[10:01] <ghostcube> o.O
[10:01] <ghostcube> anyone should kill mozilla coders
[10:01] <ghostcube> 3.0
[10:21] <apachelogger> ghostcube: well, dont use it :P
[10:25] <ghostcube> should i use outlook o.O
[10:47] <apachelogger> ghostcube: how about mutt?
[10:47] <apachelogger> using a sensible mail client certainly would be an option
[10:47] <apachelogger> IMHO
[10:56] <ghostcube> apachelogger: i need one working on windows and linu
[10:56] <ghostcube> so i just use TB
[10:57] <apachelogger> so where is the problem with mutt in this regard?
[10:57] <ghostcube> never used mutt
[10:58] <ghostcube> normally i must use outlook
[10:59] <ryanakca> ghostcube: mutt rocks :)
[11:00] <ryanakca> apachelogger: [earlier] http://packages.debian.org/sid/bangarang ... I guess I can requestsync and then drop the copyright once in Ubuntu? The changes have been commited to the packaging branch. [/earlier]
[11:00] <apachelogger> ryanakca: yus
[11:01] <apachelogger> also I hope you documented the manual deps somehow
[11:01] <apachelogger> and I hope they are justified :P
[11:01] <apachelogger> also mutt-ng is maintained by an austrian born in the same city as I :P
[11:01] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I'll justify them in the packaging branch and copy the changes over once sync'd
[11:03] <Sput> nixternal: nowadays (in kwin) you can drag the window titlebar to the top of the screen and have it maximize
[11:04] <Sput> or to other edges to have it cover half the screen
[11:04] <Sput> yeah, win7 came up with that FAIK, but that's no reason for us to not have it as well :)
[11:04] <al> they should've patented it
[11:05] <Sput> they possibly did :)
[11:05] <apachelogger> compiz came up with it
[11:05] <Sput> oh? didn't know that
[11:05] <Sput> I left that mess years ago :)
[11:05] <Sput> so win7 copied again?
[11:06] <apachelogger> yus
[11:07] <Sput> we should start patenting stuffz then!
[11:15] <Lex79> apachelogger: why bug #484802 is fixed in karmic proposed and not in Lucid?
[11:18] <Lex79> uhm no it seems fixed
[12:34] <ghostcube> Windooze 7 is an Solaris Ubuntu KDE QT clon
[12:34] <ghostcube> o.o
[12:34] <ghostcube> thats why its working
[12:34] <ghostcube> :D
[12:35] <ghostcube> apachelogger: du bistn ösi ?
[12:35] <ghostcube> :D
[12:46] <apachelogger> hai
[12:46] <apachelogger> an why is windows 7 a quick time clone?
[12:46]  * apachelogger doesnt find the UI very quicktimey
[12:47] <jussi01> hehe
[12:48] <ghostcube> why des noone like my shortenings today
[12:48] <ghostcube> o.O
[12:48] <ghostcube> man merkt wo du her kommst :P
[12:48] <ghostcube> hahaha
[12:48] <ghostcube> friend of mine is now ösi too left munich arrived in insbruck for studying
[12:49] <ghostcube> :)
[12:49] <Sput> not much of a difference
[12:49] <ghostcube> nope
[12:49] <ghostcube> :)
[12:50] <ghostcube> hmmm mayn devs here are germans or ?
[12:50] <ghostcube> many
[12:52] <gastly> does anyone know how I can increase the timeout for notifications? I'm on kde 4.3.2
[12:53] <ghostcube> so they keep staying inside the i ?
[12:53] <ghostcube> hmm thats a good question
[12:53] <gastly> well, they just come and go...by the time you notice there's a notification...*poof* they disappear :p
[12:54] <amichair> I find the default timeout too short as well... don't always manage to read the full notification before it disappears
[12:57] <ghostcube> amichair: ack :)
[12:57] <ghostcube> isnt there an button to say dont hide notifies
[12:57] <ghostcube> i remember this
[12:58] <amichair> right click on the i -> options -> auto hide
[12:59] <gastly> yes there is, but then the the user's will have to hide them manually...that's even more annoying with lots of notifications coming in
[12:59] <amichair> when the next notification arrives, I can tell u if it works :-)
[12:59] <ghostcube> ah exactemont
[12:59] <ghostcube> :D
[12:59] <ghostcube> gastly: true
[12:59] <amichair> yeah, there should be a configurable timeout value in the options
[12:59] <ghostcube> so an timeout switch would be cool eh ?
[12:59] <ghostcube> ;)
[13:00] <gastly> hehe yeah ;)
[13:00] <ghostcube> is there any chance plasma advanced config isnt anymore layen to the zoom out function
[13:00] <ghostcube> this is a bit annyoing too
[13:00] <ghostcube> o.o
[13:02] <apachelogger> ghostcube: neversfelde is a german contributor :P
[13:02] <ghostcube> yeah this i have known
[13:02] <apachelogger> the dev ratio is a bit on the US side
[13:02] <ghostcube> der kackt mich immer an wenn ich was falsches sage
[13:02] <ghostcube> :D
[13:02] <ghostcube> ah ok :)
[13:02] <neversfelde> ?
[13:03] <ghostcube> lol da isser schon
[13:03] <ghostcube> warn witz der herr
[13:03] <apachelogger> neversfeldi! :)
[13:03] <neversfelde> hehe
[13:05] <ghostcube> heh i have the solution for my printer-applet crash at logout rofl
[13:05] <ghostcube> i kill it short before i logoff
[13:05] <ghostcube> ok bad joke :| i go back to work here
[13:08] <amichair> hmmm notifications still auto-hide even with the option unchecked
[13:08] <amichair> what are the 'system tray icons' checkboxes for? and the main checkbox? not too clear
[15:27] <yuriy> this halsectomy thing sounds scary -- is KDE on top of that at all?
[15:32] <ScottK> Good question
[15:34] <Mamarok> halsectomy?
[15:34] <yuriy> Mamarok: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy
[15:34] <amichair> that does sound scary!
[15:34] <EagleSn> j ubuntu
[15:35] <yuriy> short story is hal is deprecated and getting ripped out of default ubuntu
[15:35] <Mamarok> ouch
[15:35] <Mamarok> KDE uses HAL all the time...
[15:35] <yuriy> through solid i hope -- question is is there a DeviceKit backend?
[15:36] <yuriy> i think that's the new thing
[15:36] <ScottK> Yep
[15:37] <apachelogger> markey: could the cover manager be made non-blocking?
[15:37] <yuriy> *googles* sounds like there are at least two http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-kde/2009-August/003536.html
[15:37]  * rdieter_work knows of http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/alternate-solid-devicekit/
[15:37] <apachelogger> it is a bit annoying to wait 5 minutes for it to finish loading :|
[15:38] <Mamarok> apachelogger: 5 minutes? something is wrong in your package then
[15:38] <Mamarok> also, AFAIK this is fixed in git
[15:38] <apachelogger> no, I just happen to have a billion albums
[15:38] <Mamarok> and in 2.2.1 already
[15:39]  * apachelogger waits for album manager to finish loading so he can check what version is installed :D
[15:39] <Mamarok> hm, my bad, still not fixed :(
[15:41] <apachelogger> Mamarok: quite ugly with large collections, though it probably also is with small ones
[15:41] <apachelogger> blocking is so 90s :)
[15:41] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I just marked it as a release_blocker, let's hope they look into it for the beta
[15:41] <apachelogger> cool, thx
[18:11] <Daskreech> how do I login to the Live Cd ?
[18:12] <apachelogger> srsly now, is it just me or is knm refusing to work
[18:12] <apachelogger> like at all
[18:12] <apachelogger> it's like trying to use a stone to connect to wifi
[18:12] <apachelogger> as unresponsive -.-
[18:12] <apachelogger> Daskreech: there should be autologin?
[18:13] <EagleScreen> Daskreech: I think it is user: ubuntu; pass: `in blank`
[18:20] <Daskreech> It drops me to the login screen when I boot it up
[18:20] <Daskreech> apachelogger: there isn't when did autologin get turned on?
[18:21] <Daskreech> I don't mean inital autologin I mean if you happen to logout of the session
[18:21] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[18:21] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[18:21] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[18:21] <apachelogger> Daskreech: bug report + mail to list
[18:21] <apachelogger> I suppose we either need to prevent logouts or make kdm relogin at once
[18:21] <tsimpson> I'm pretty sure the username is "ubuntu" with no password
[18:22] <apachelogger> latter probably makes more sense since X could crash
[18:22] <apachelogger> letting people face again the question how to login
[18:22] <tsimpson> doesn't the system auto-shutdown once X dies?
[18:22] <apachelogger> then again if X crashes it might very well be that people get pissed off :P
[18:22]  * apachelogger got wifi to work \\o/
[18:23] <tsimpson> I remember restarting X once by accident on the LiveCD, the system just started to shutdown as if I choose shutdown from the logout menu
[18:23] <Daskreech> apachelogger: My problem is it doesn't login the first time it just drops me to a KDM login
[18:23] <Daskreech> tsimpson: no it doesn't
[18:23] <tsimpson> must have been "fixed"
[18:23] <Daskreech> and given the stabilty of X it's kinda a dumb thing to do
[18:24] <apachelogger> hummmm
[18:24] <tsimpson> either X or KDM, one of those
[18:24] <Daskreech> tsimpson: Yeah I've seen it do that too but I think that's a fluke and more of a bug
[18:25] <Daskreech> EagleScreen: with the ` ?
[18:25] <EagleScreen> Daskreech: blank == no password, empty
[18:26] <Daskreech> doesn't even acknowledge it
[18:26] <Daskreech> It's like I didn't press enter
[18:27] <Daskreech> doesn't work from the TTY either
[18:27]  * Daskreech *sighs*
[18:27]  * apachelogger uploads new knm package
[18:27] <EagleScreen> Daskreech: if you don fidn right user and password, dont cry, just restart KDM
[18:27] <jussi01> rgreening: can you rejoin -bots-devel?
[18:28]  * rgreening forgot the channel (on a diff laptop)... thanks
[18:28] <apachelogger> quassel
[18:28] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:29] <Daskreech> EagleScreen: And then what?
[18:29] <EagleScreen> Daskreech: when restarting kdm, you will be logged in automatically
[18:30] <EagleScreen> if not, stop kdm and run startx command
[18:30] <Daskreech> EagleScreen: How?
[18:30] <EagleScreen> using 9.10?
[18:30]  * apachelogger finds that suggestion a bit weird considering Daskreech can not login to begin with?!
[18:31] <Daskreech> EagleScreen; No You are not you just get back the Login screen
[18:31] <Daskreech> Yes
[18:31] <EagleScreen> sudo service kdm restart
[18:31] <Daskreech> EagleScreen: How?
[18:32] <EagleScreen> Daskreech: go to any tty and run command there
[18:32] <Daskreech> This is prelogin :)
[18:32] <Daskreech> EagleScreen: I get a login
[18:32] <Daskreech> You used to be autologged in on the TTY hasn't been true since Ibex I think
[18:33] <EagleScreen> arent tty's logged in?
[18:33] <Daskreech> nope
[18:34] <EagleScreen> then you are lost
[18:34] <Daskreech> Curerntly if I boot up a Live CD one of the first nervous thigns I do is change the password because if there are any hiccups then it's reboot time
[18:35] <Daskreech> Shouldn't KDM be set to autologin ubuntu after 15 seconds. It's a plain KDE setting
[18:35] <EagleScreen> yes Daskreech, please file a bug in Launchpad
[18:36]  * Daskreech puts that down as a paperkut to be looked at by a doktor
[18:41] <Daskreech> Bah anyone knows anythign about networking?
[18:41] <Daskreech> I'm trying to sort out this wireless network
[18:48] <apachelogger> Daskreech: you could just ask :P
[18:49] <Daskreech> What should I be doing with the RTS threshhold
[18:49] <Daskreech>  I'm trying to figure out what's wrong first of al
[18:49] <Daskreech> things like Bing or google pop up in seconds
[18:49] <Daskreech>  Yahoo takes like 6 minutes to load
[18:49] <Daskreech>  other sites are damn near invisible. They resolve but after initial contact I never hear from them again
[18:50] <EagleScreen> i had a similar issue in OpenSuse 11.2
[18:50] <Daskreech> If the computer is connected directly to the router things move faste (Yahoo loads in 1-2 minutes)
[18:50] <Daskreech> So I'm playing with the wireless options to see if that can be boosted a little
[18:50] <Daskreech>  THis is Vista
[18:50] <EagleScreen> 1-2 minutes? is it faster?
[18:51] <Daskreech> Which is why I carried a live CD which now is fun to toss up in the air and watch it sparkle
[18:51] <apachelogger> Daskreech: try another channel
[18:51] <EagleScreen> ask it in #kubuntu
[18:51] <apachelogger> if there are a lot of overlapping wifis it can cause problems of that sort
[18:52] <apachelogger> the larger the site the more packages can get lost
[18:52] <EagleScreen> I feel that KDE check spelling is not working propertly in 4.3.3 packages from Updates PPA
[18:52] <apachelogger> hence the long loading time for yahoo IMHO
[18:52] <Daskreech> one wifi point
[18:52] <Daskreech> 12 clients
[18:52] <apachelogger> still, try fiddling with the channel
[18:53] <apachelogger> there isnt really anything the access point should do that would cause outside communication problems
[18:53] <Daskreech> Yeah that's what I was going on. Plus they have been offline for over a month so they are pulling hundreds of Megs of updates now :(
[18:55] <Daskreech> ok swapping otu channels
[18:55] <ScottK> Lex79: How's spell checking in the 4.3.4 stuff you're working on?
[18:56] <apachelogger> Mamarok: mind translating bug 489125 ?
[18:57] <Mamarok> apachelogger: Package manager doesn't update the system anymore, error 1
[18:57]  * Mamarok checks the report
[18:58] <EagleScreen> I cannot open chek spell window either in Konqueror or Lokalize
[18:58] <apachelogger> that sounds incredibly non-technical and thus can not come from some KDE thingy :D
[18:58] <EagleScreen> and wrongly typed words are not underlined
[18:58] <EagleScreen> tested that it works well in Debian testing
[18:59] <Mamarok> apachelogger: he says: after removing xtux the package manager doesn't update his system anymore
[18:59] <apachelogger> hm
[18:59] <apachelogger> interesting, not easily triaged though
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> bug 454115 maybe?
[19:00] <Mamarok> apachelogger: seen my slides or did they get stuck in the shredder of the ML?
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> lol @ wishlist tho
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> I'd shove it over xtux's way regardless
[19:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: quite possibly
[19:01] <apachelogger> well, it is french
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> hmm, those are hard to get feedback from
[19:01] <apachelogger> so technically it first needs to be triaged towards englishness
[19:01] <Mamarok> but it has been answered by marc Deslauriel, no?
[19:01] <Mamarok> in English
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> that's just "this isn't a security bug" boiler plate that the security team gives to all bugs mistakenly reported as security issues
[19:02] <apachelogger> security team does not care all that much :P
[19:02] <Mamarok> ah, ok
[19:02] <apachelogger> Mamarok: could you ask the reporter to do https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xtux/+bug/454115/comments/5
[19:02] <Mamarok> seems xtux related, though
[19:02] <apachelogger> should be the same issue
[19:02] <Mamarok> apachelogger: ok
[19:03] <apachelogger> also fits the description of failing updates, since apt-get will fail on anything unless the package is removed
[19:04] <apachelogger> Mamarok: the bug can be closed then, thanks for the help :)
[19:06] <Mamarok> done
[19:06] <amichair> JontheEchidna: whatever happened to those jockey bugs we discussed a while back? were they merged?
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> I never got around to poking pitti
[19:07] <Mamarok> do I close it as Fix Released?
[19:07] <Mamarok> or just mark it as a duplicate?
[19:08] <amichair> JontheEchidna: most jockey reports seem to be about the packages it installs, not the actual app.. do u know of any code-related ones that I might be able to help with?
[19:08] <Mamarok> apachelogger: ?
[19:08] <apachelogger> Mamarok: dup I think
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> amichair: not off the top of my head, no. The activation bug was really the only major one
[19:08] <Mamarok> ok
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> jockey-kde could stand to have policykit support implemented
[19:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think the security team very much cares, but just about the stuff they have been specifically told to care about.
[19:10] <EagleScreen> amichair: jockey cause system crash (kernel) at installing bcmwl-kernel-source
[19:10]  * ScottK finds this a reasonable position.
[19:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, I meant it doesnt care about the report being french, because it is not security issue eitherway
[19:10] <ScottK> OK
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> So the meeting is in 50 mins, right?
[19:12] <ScottK> Roughly.
[19:12] <EagleScreen> amichair: installing those packages with apt does not cause any problem
[19:12] <ScottK> Assuming it's today
[19:14] <rgreening> lol
[19:15] <amichair> EagleScreen: I'll take a look (don't have that hardware myself to test with though)
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I was never able to say this on the ML, but the reason that I myself didn't send out the doodle link was that my kio_smtp was broken by the Qt 4.6 rc transition
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> otherwise I would have
[19:15] <EagleScreen> ok, do you the bug report localized, amichair?
[19:15] <rgreening> heh
[19:15] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: np...
[19:16]  * rgreening was feeling disconnected
[19:16] <amichair> EagleScreen: I think you a verb
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> well, at least you could send email :P
[19:16] <ScottK> Would someone please reply to the guy that wants to help Kubuntu on kubuntu-devel?
[19:16] <rgreening> true... I was reading it frm ym Archos5 Internet Tablet (awesome device)
[19:17] <EagleScreen> lol, sorry, i meant if do you have the bug report, it is Bug #448753
[19:19] <amichair> EagleScreen: is it a dup of bug #423479?
[19:21] <EagleScreen> oh yes, they are duplicated
[19:22]  * txwikinger wonders if he should disable konqi
[19:22] <EagleScreen> konqi is the crash handler?
[19:23] <txwikinger> no I mean konqueror
[19:23] <amichair> EagleScreen: it's both on gtk and kde?
[19:23] <EagleScreen> how do you "disable" konqueror?
[19:24] <txwikinger> move the binary to somewhere it is not found
[19:26] <EagleScreen> if you want to avoid its usage, I think the only job to do is preset another default browser, any cadidate?
[19:28] <txwikinger> anything but
[19:28] <txwikinger> or a dbus fix
[19:29] <ScottK> jussi01: Is there an easy way to get us a meetbot here for JontheEchidna's kubuntu-dev meeting?
[19:31] <jussi01> ScottK: annoy nalioth or seeker?
[19:31] <ScottK> jussi01: Would you please?
[19:31]  * ScottK is trying to help someone fix their Ruby code and he doesn't know Ruby, so distractions are a problem at the moment.
[19:32] <jussi01> hehe
[19:32] <jussi01> Ill see what I can do
[19:33] <jussi01> why isnt the meeting in -meeting?
[19:33] <txwikinger> ScottK: Ruby is not difficult
[19:33] <ScottK> txwikinger: It's not, but learning a new language while helping someone fix stuff isn't the best way to do it.
[19:34] <txwikinger> yeah.. can raise the complexity :D
[19:34]  * txwikinger wonders how to troubleshoot dbus
[19:37]  * rgreening think hitting it with dtruck
[19:37] <rgreening> ha
[19:39] <apachelogger> lol
[19:39] <jussi01> ScottK: when was the meeting again?
[19:40] <txwikinger> jussi01: 20mins
[19:41] <txwikinger> rgreening: that does not fix anything, it will only cause a accident report
[19:41]  * jussi01 waves to Seeker`
[19:41]  * Seeker` waves
[19:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: can I help with the ruby?
[19:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not without an NDA unfortunately.
[19:44] <ScottK> This is $WORK.
[19:44] <apachelogger> ok :)
[19:44]  * txwikinger thinks NDA sounds very proprietary
[19:44] <ScottK> It is.
[19:44]  * apachelogger goes looking for an appliance with psql 8.1
[19:46] <jussi01> ScottK: mootbot is being bad. you can still use in #ubuntu-meeting but it wont join here. talk to Seeker` for more
[19:46] <ScottK> jussi01: OK.  Thanks.
[19:47] <ScottK> How does everyone feel about squatting in #ubuntu-meeting for JontheEchidna's kubuntu-dev?
[19:47] <Seeker`> sorry, I don't know what is wrong with it, I can't access the server and the only person that can restart the bot isn't online
[19:48] <Tm_T> for what you need that bot now?
[19:48]  * txwikinger thinks that there is a redundancy deficiency
[19:48] <Tm_T> if logs, I get logs
[19:48]  * Seeker` wonders what happened to Tm_T's ability to type English
[19:49] <jussi01> ScottK: Id strongly suggest it, theres not anyone else scheduled
[19:49] <ScottK> jussi01: Thanks.
[19:49] <Tm_T> Seeker`: it's my still ongoing dizzyness /:
[19:49] <jussi01> @now utc
[19:49] <ScottK> Seeker`: We can use #ubuntu-meeting.  thanks for trying.
[19:53] <ScottK> Nothing scheduled in #ubuntu-meeting.
[20:01] <ScottK> kubuntu-dev meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[20:02] <ScottK> Tonio__, nixternal, Riddell, apachelogger: kubuntu-dev meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[20:28] <txwikinger> congrats JontheEchidna
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> txwikinger: thanks
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> If it makes it up for it, I was able to spot a problem (two actually) with a debian/changelog entry within 10 seconds in #ubuntu-motu the other day
[20:29] <Tm_T> and no-one mentioned Kate as an option, bah
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> though that is really something I should have remembered for the meeting ;-)
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> lol, bug 490506
[20:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We need Riddell or a DMB member to actually flip the permissions.
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> I doubt I'll need anything sponsored in between then. ;-)
[20:35]  * txwikinger made the mistake of clicking on the link and starting konqueror again
[20:36] <Tm_T> txwikinger: what's the mistake part?
[20:37] <txwikinger> Tm_T: it is broken
[20:37] <Tm_T> oh, that's a mistake indeed
[20:38] <txwikinger> why is the lack of broken syntax highlighting a problem?
[20:39]  * txwikinger seems to be incapable of reading stuff today... maybe better write some code instead
[20:46] <ScottK> nixternal: No meeting logs for today on irclogs.ubuntu.com for #ubuntu-meeting.  Ugh.
[20:59] <ScottK> OK.  Message sent.
[21:02] <nixternal> was gonna say, I have the logs locally
[21:03]  * ScottK too (I attached them)
[21:03] <apachelogger> rgreening: if the fix in 18ubuntu2 was sufficient enough it should have made vim the ultimate editor, hence dch would invoke vim and make use of its superior highlighting capabilities
[21:05] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You're in.  pitti added you.
[21:05] <ScottK> Congratulations again.
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> yay
[21:12] <amichair> JontheEchidna: mazel tov!
[21:18] <keffie_jayx> hey guys I hve been swiming in the sea of patches to test in launchpad
[21:19] <keffie_jayx> is there a wayto easily sort the de packages in laucnhpad so I can have an easier way to see what I can help with?
[21:24] <rgreening> apachelogger: dch invokes vim on my system, just no highlighting
[21:26] <txwikinger> rgreening: there is a config file you can adjust
[21:26] <rgreening> hmm...
[21:26]  * rgreening wonders why its not the default
[21:26] <rgreening> txwikinger: know which file?
[21:27]  * txwikinger can look
[21:27] <txwikinger> .vimrc
[21:27] <amichair> rgreening: the default editor? isn't it $EDITOR in .bashrc?
[21:27] <txwikinger> and /etc/vim/*
[21:28] <rgreening> I think you both missed the issue
[21:28] <rgreening> :)
[21:28]  * txwikinger thinks the issue is that rgreening wants to be difficult :p
[21:28]  * amichair hears a wooshing sound above him
[21:28] <rgreening> dch -i on the changelog does not present a vi color syntax version, eventhough I can vi changelog with color syntax
[21:29] <rgreening> so, I have color highlighting on... for invoking vi
[21:29] <rgreening> I was looking for dch (which invokes my default editior) to do the same
[21:30] <nixternal> parsechangelog/debian: warning:     debian/changelog(l3): unrecognised line
[21:30] <nixternal> LINE:  * Hello there!
[21:30] <nixternal> rgreening: ^^ you will get that when you save too
[21:31] <rgreening> nixternal: from vi? or from dch?
[21:31]  * rgreening doesn't get you?
[21:32]  * rgreening thinks nixternalis on the hooch again
[21:32] <rgreening> :)
[21:32] <nixternal> from dch
[21:32] <txwikinger> rgreening: It is even worse
[21:32] <txwikinger> dch uses nano as default editor
[21:32] <rgreening> my dch uses vim
[21:32] <rgreening> not nano
[21:32] <rgreening> I changed selected editor to vim
[21:33] <txwikinger> because you have set vim as your default
[21:33] <txwikinger> if you don't it uses nano
[21:33] <rgreening> yes
[21:33] <nixternal> i use vim as well, vim.basic to be exact, not that vim.tiny crap
[21:33]  * txwikinger thinks there should be a bug for that
[21:33] <rgreening> for sure...
[21:33] <rgreening> I think for system tools, nano should be banned :)
[21:34] <rgreening> ha
[21:34] <nixternal> sabdfl was just on tv
[21:34] <nixternal> I heard, "South African, Mark Shuttleworth, ......"
[21:35] <nixternal> they are talking about visiting space...pretty groovy
[21:35] <rgreening> oh oh oh.... I fixed my dch issue
[21:35] <rgreening> .selected_editor:SELECTED_EDITOR="/usr/bin/vim.tiny" -> .selected_editor:SELECTED_EDITOR="/usr/bin/vim"
[21:35] <rgreening> I had it pointing at vim.tiny for some reason
[21:35] <rgreening> now I gotz color
[21:36] <rgreening> whee
[21:36] <nixternal> heh, you could also add 'set nocompatible' to your ~/.vimrc to get color and what not in vim.tiny
[21:36]  * rgreening is happy as a pig 
[21:36] <rgreening> heh
[21:36] <Kelytha> Hello
[21:36] <nixternal> i have color, syntax highlighting, code completion, and more :)
[21:38] <amichair> why not have all them vim features on by default?
[21:38]  * txwikinger does not find vim.basixc
[21:38]  * nixternal has to use 'viper' for emacs now since he forgot all of the shortcuts since switching to vim a few years back
[21:38] <Blizzz> JontheEchidna: congratz
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> thx
[21:49] <amichair> rgreening: my /usr/bin/vim points back (via alternatives) to vim.tiny... how do I get the not-tiny vim?
[21:50] <amichair> I tried installing vim-full (in wiki/forums), but it says it's missing/obsolete
[21:51] <txwikinger> why is there a vim.gnome, but no vim.kde?
[21:54] <nixternal> create a kde gui for it and then there will be one
[21:57] <txwikinger> amichair: install the package vim
[21:57] <txwikinger> nixternal: I knew someone would say that
[21:59] <rgreening> amichair: I think you need to install vim
[21:59] <rgreening> not vim-full
[22:00]  * txwikinger vim.tiny does syntax check too
[22:00] <amichair> txwikinger, rgreening: thanks, I'm trying it. too bad the VimHowto wiki page (and other forums) say to install vim-full :-/
[22:00] <rgreening> txwikinger: if you enable nocompatible or something...
[22:00] <rgreening> amichair: feel free to edit/update the wiki
[22:00] <rgreening> :)
[22:00]  * rgreening haz to go... shopping
[22:01] <amichair> I don't feel knowledgeable enough on the matter to edit yet...
[22:01]  * txwikinger wonders what nixternal means with gnome gui
[22:02] <amichair> ooh! nice colors in editor! me happy :-P
[22:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: sorry for missing the meeting, I'm afraid this highlands internet died at the wrong time :(
[22:27] <Riddell> well done on becoming a kubuntu-dev!
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thank you!
[22:34] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: The answer to my question about getting metapackages updated is apt-get source kubuntu-meta and look at the update script (it hasn't been adjusted for Lucid yet).
[23:13] <maco> WOW surveymonkey (for the UDS survey) kinda falls over on arora
[23:14] <dtchen> I was mistakenly spammed with the UDS survey link :-)
[23:17] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: congratulations :)
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> thanks :)