[00:27] nixternal: I guess the Bears season just finished [02:30] if gimp is no longer going to be included in ubuntu by default and f-spot is,what are we going to include? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [02:34] jjesse: gwenview, what we have always included [02:36] ok thx [02:36] working on docs :) [02:39] hrnn [02:42] It's them following our lead [02:42] .... even if they didn't know it. [02:42] because we rock? [02:42] unlike my mum's computer right now. >< [02:44] maco: We've controlled hard drives by UUID since edgy or feisty. Instead of thinking sda or sdb, make sure you're getting the right UUID. [02:44] grub's device.map doesnt use UUIDs [02:44] it has sda and sdb [02:46] OMFG, and we switched to that? [02:47] There's very seriously a good reason we switched to UUIDs in the first place. [02:48] You can't rely on the BIOS to give you consistent ordering so device names are (or at least historically) have been very unreliable with multiple drives. [02:49] im pretty sure my BIOS only recognizes 1 of the drives as bootable, and thats sdb [02:49] my BIOS only lists 1 optical drive, 1 hard disk, and floppy [02:49] though i have 2 optical and 2 hard disk [02:50] the one that the BIOS recognizes as bootable is seen by the OS as sdb though. go figure [02:50] and that is consistent [02:51] Weird [02:51] !nixternal [02:51] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Windows7 lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, and help on the MIRC client too! I LOVE MIRC!!! [02:52] yes, I am loving my new Windows 7 PC I got today \o/ [02:52] I can shake a window and it maximizes...how insanely awesome is that? [02:52] Sweet [02:52] awesomely useless [02:52] Kinda like Desktop Cubes? [02:52] I was showing it off, and said "Look the windows don't wobble" [02:53] my buddy goes "NO! but they do maximize" [02:53] you can do that in compiz [02:53] grab the title bar and wobble it a bit and throw it at the top of the screen [02:53] itll maximize automatically [02:54] I am working on a project that requires a little windows support, so I needed to get it...Bittorrent wasn't cutting it, so I was like, screw buying the box, let me just go get a desktop [02:54] Hey, what was the help summit that shaumn was talking about nixternal? [02:54] we are holding a help summit with all of the distros here in Chicago in like March [02:54] ahhh [02:54] the GNOME peeps are starting to hack in Chicago, so us KDE folks need to do something [02:55] I would love to make it... don't know if I will be able to with $$ and leave time [02:55] shaunm is the GNOME head doc dude, even created a new markup for topic-based help [02:55] nixternal i use those all the time [02:55] hey jjesse [02:55] which, I will look at incoroporating one of these days in to KHC, once mallard matures that is [02:55] hey DarkwingDuck [02:56] oh, nixternal you want me to use KDE docs for the desktop docs and mod them for lucid? [02:56] ok, Storm Chasers is coming on, and one of the crews gets wiped out by a tornado, so I can't miss it...back later :) [02:56] DarkwingDuck: Space A and nixternal's couch should minimize the $$$ requirements. [02:56] :) [02:56] Not too many people actually WANT to go to Chicago in March, so it should be easy. [02:56] DarkwingDuck: you can't do that, KDE docs are GFDL, Ubuntu Documenation Project is CC-by-SA 3.0 [02:56] ahhhhh [02:56] I was wondering about that. [02:57] Okay, off to the drawing board. [02:57] we are so much smarter than every other documentation project, that we chose CC-by-SA, whereas all of the smart kids use GFDL [02:57] anywho, going to watch tv now [02:57] later [02:57] hehehe [03:48] Anyone else noticed long-term NFS instability in Karmic? [03:48] Usually ending with a frozen filesystem and the process accessing the disk, but sometimes even a kernel freeze (not panic, oddly enough)? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [06:59] nixternal: can you give me your mail so we can talk about the feature tour for kubuntu website? [08:09] woha i copied danger from the deep svn yesterday [08:09] 3 hours [08:09] :D [08:09] i hate it if the coders copy there wepgae to a game svn trunk so you checkout all stuff you dont need [08:14] ghostcube: wepgae? [08:16] nixternal: uah, KHC, are you sure you dont want to rewrite it from scratch? [08:16] so much to do, so little work [08:26] apachelogger: means weppage ? [08:26] webpage lol [08:26] http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/ [08:28] does kde 4.4 beta 1 come out tomorrow === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:04] apachelogger: you changed name apparently, see the Weekly newsletter: "Herald" :) [09:04] we have a Herald now :) [09:22] Mamarok: does he now get to ring a bell and shout the new in the city street? [09:26] well, I guess so :) [09:43] TB 3.0 rc1 sux [09:43] boah is this a bad ass coded release [09:45] Tubular Bells 3? I think it rocks :) [09:46] hahaha [09:46] :;) [09:48] ghostcube: with svn you do not have to checkout the whole tree, but just the parts that you are interested in [09:48] Mamarok: good research is the key to world domination I suppose :P [09:56] apachelogger: yeah but the svn co command on the page is wrong [09:56] it clones the whole trunk [09:56] :D [09:56] and as i noticed it was to late [10:01] back to TB 4.0 beta 4 all works again [10:01] o.O [10:01] anyone should kill mozilla coders [10:01] 3.0 [10:21] ghostcube: well, dont use it :P [10:25] should i use outlook o.O [10:47] ghostcube: how about mutt? [10:47] using a sensible mail client certainly would be an option [10:47] IMHO [10:56] apachelogger: i need one working on windows and linu [10:56] so i just use TB [10:57] so where is the problem with mutt in this regard? [10:57] never used mutt [10:58] normally i must use outlook [10:59] ghostcube: mutt rocks :) [11:00] apachelogger: [earlier] http://packages.debian.org/sid/bangarang ... I guess I can requestsync and then drop the copyright once in Ubuntu? The changes have been commited to the packaging branch. [/earlier] [11:00] ryanakca: yus [11:01] also I hope you documented the manual deps somehow [11:01] and I hope they are justified :P [11:01] also mutt-ng is maintained by an austrian born in the same city as I :P [11:01] apachelogger: I'll justify them in the packaging branch and copy the changes over once sync'd [11:03] nixternal: nowadays (in kwin) you can drag the window titlebar to the top of the screen and have it maximize [11:04] or to other edges to have it cover half the screen [11:04] yeah, win7 came up with that FAIK, but that's no reason for us to not have it as well :) [11:04] they should've patented it [11:05] they possibly did :) [11:05] compiz came up with it [11:05] oh? didn't know that [11:05] I left that mess years ago :) [11:05] so win7 copied again? [11:06] yus [11:07] we should start patenting stuffz then! [11:15] apachelogger: why bug #484802 is fixed in karmic proposed and not in Lucid? [11:15] Launchpad bug 484802 in kdeedu "SRU: Parley fails to initialize Python scripts" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484802 [11:18] uhm no it seems fixed [12:34] Windooze 7 is an Solaris Ubuntu KDE QT clon [12:34] o.o [12:34] thats why its working [12:34] :D [12:35] apachelogger: du bistn ösi ? [12:35] :D [12:46] hai [12:46] an why is windows 7 a quick time clone? [12:46] * apachelogger doesnt find the UI very quicktimey [12:47] hehe [12:48] why des noone like my shortenings today [12:48] o.O [12:48] man merkt wo du her kommst :P [12:48] hahaha [12:48] friend of mine is now ösi too left munich arrived in insbruck for studying [12:49] :) [12:49] not much of a difference [12:49] nope [12:49] :) [12:50] hmmm mayn devs here are germans or ? [12:50] many [12:52] does anyone know how I can increase the timeout for notifications? I'm on kde 4.3.2 [12:53] so they keep staying inside the i ? [12:53] hmm thats a good question [12:53] well, they just come and go...by the time you notice there's a notification...*poof* they disappear :p [12:54] I find the default timeout too short as well... don't always manage to read the full notification before it disappears [12:57] amichair: ack :) [12:57] isnt there an button to say dont hide notifies [12:57] i remember this [12:58] right click on the i -> options -> auto hide [12:59] yes there is, but then the the user's will have to hide them manually...that's even more annoying with lots of notifications coming in [12:59] when the next notification arrives, I can tell u if it works :-) [12:59] ah exactemont [12:59] :D [12:59] gastly: true [12:59] yeah, there should be a configurable timeout value in the options [12:59] so an timeout switch would be cool eh ? [12:59] ;) [13:00] hehe yeah ;) [13:00] is there any chance plasma advanced config isnt anymore layen to the zoom out function [13:00] this is a bit annyoing too [13:00] o.o [13:02] ghostcube: neversfelde is a german contributor :P [13:02] yeah this i have known [13:02] the dev ratio is a bit on the US side [13:02] der kackt mich immer an wenn ich was falsches sage [13:02] :D [13:02] ah ok :) [13:02] ? [13:03] lol da isser schon [13:03] warn witz der herr [13:03] neversfeldi! :) [13:03] hehe [13:05] heh i have the solution for my printer-applet crash at logout rofl [13:05] i kill it short before i logoff [13:05] ok bad joke :| i go back to work here [13:08] hmmm notifications still auto-hide even with the option unchecked [13:08] what are the 'system tray icons' checkboxes for? and the main checkbox? not too clear === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === frederik is now known as fregl [15:27] this halsectomy thing sounds scary -- is KDE on top of that at all? [15:32] Good question [15:34] halsectomy? [15:34] Mamarok: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy [15:34] that does sound scary! [15:34] j ubuntu [15:35] short story is hal is deprecated and getting ripped out of default ubuntu [15:35] ouch [15:35] KDE uses HAL all the time... [15:35] through solid i hope -- question is is there a DeviceKit backend? [15:36] i think that's the new thing [15:36] Yep [15:37] markey: could the cover manager be made non-blocking? [15:37] *googles* sounds like there are at least two http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-kde/2009-August/003536.html [15:37] * rdieter_work knows of http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/alternate-solid-devicekit/ [15:37] it is a bit annoying to wait 5 minutes for it to finish loading :| [15:38] apachelogger: 5 minutes? something is wrong in your package then [15:38] also, AFAIK this is fixed in git [15:38] no, I just happen to have a billion albums [15:38] and in 2.2.1 already [15:39] * apachelogger waits for album manager to finish loading so he can check what version is installed :D [15:39] hm, my bad, still not fixed :( [15:41] Mamarok: quite ugly with large collections, though it probably also is with small ones [15:41] blocking is so 90s :) [15:41] apachelogger: I just marked it as a release_blocker, let's hope they look into it for the beta [15:41] cool, thx === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto [18:11] how do I login to the Live Cd ? [18:12] srsly now, is it just me or is knm refusing to work [18:12] like at all [18:12] it's like trying to use a stone to connect to wifi [18:12] as unresponsive -.- [18:12] Daskreech: there should be autologin? [18:13] Daskreech: I think it is user: ubuntu; pass: `in blank` [18:20] It drops me to the login screen when I boot it up [18:20] apachelogger: there isn't when did autologin get turned on? [18:21] I don't mean inital autologin I mean if you happen to logout of the session [18:21] ohhhh [18:21] ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [18:21] ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [18:21] Daskreech: bug report + mail to list [18:21] I suppose we either need to prevent logouts or make kdm relogin at once [18:21] I'm pretty sure the username is "ubuntu" with no password [18:22] latter probably makes more sense since X could crash [18:22] letting people face again the question how to login [18:22] doesn't the system auto-shutdown once X dies? [18:22] then again if X crashes it might very well be that people get pissed off :P [18:22] * apachelogger got wifi to work \\o/ [18:23] I remember restarting X once by accident on the LiveCD, the system just started to shutdown as if I choose shutdown from the logout menu [18:23] apachelogger: My problem is it doesn't login the first time it just drops me to a KDM login [18:23] tsimpson: no it doesn't [18:23] must have been "fixed" [18:23] and given the stabilty of X it's kinda a dumb thing to do [18:24] hummmm [18:24] either X or KDM, one of those [18:24] tsimpson: Yeah I've seen it do that too but I think that's a fluke and more of a bug [18:25] EagleScreen: with the ` ? [18:25] Daskreech: blank == no password, empty [18:26] doesn't even acknowledge it [18:26] It's like I didn't press enter [18:27] doesn't work from the TTY either [18:27] * Daskreech *sighs* [18:27] * apachelogger uploads new knm package [18:27] Daskreech: if you don fidn right user and password, dont cry, just restart KDM [18:27] rgreening: can you rejoin -bots-devel? [18:28] * rgreening forgot the channel (on a diff laptop)... thanks [18:28] quassel [18:28] \o/ [18:29] EagleScreen: And then what? [18:29] Daskreech: when restarting kdm, you will be logged in automatically [18:30] if not, stop kdm and run startx command [18:30] EagleScreen: How? [18:30] using 9.10? [18:30] * apachelogger finds that suggestion a bit weird considering Daskreech can not login to begin with?! [18:31] EagleScreen; No You are not you just get back the Login screen [18:31] Yes [18:31] sudo service kdm restart [18:31] EagleScreen: How? [18:32] Daskreech: go to any tty and run command there [18:32] This is prelogin :) [18:32] EagleScreen: I get a login [18:32] You used to be autologged in on the TTY hasn't been true since Ibex I think [18:33] arent tty's logged in? [18:33] nope [18:34] then you are lost [18:34] Curerntly if I boot up a Live CD one of the first nervous thigns I do is change the password because if there are any hiccups then it's reboot time [18:35] Shouldn't KDM be set to autologin ubuntu after 15 seconds. It's a plain KDE setting [18:35] yes Daskreech, please file a bug in Launchpad [18:36] * Daskreech puts that down as a paperkut to be looked at by a doktor [18:41] Bah anyone knows anythign about networking? [18:41] I'm trying to sort out this wireless network [18:48] Daskreech: you could just ask :P [18:49] What should I be doing with the RTS threshhold [18:49] I'm trying to figure out what's wrong first of al [18:49] things like Bing or google pop up in seconds [18:49] Yahoo takes like 6 minutes to load [18:49] other sites are damn near invisible. They resolve but after initial contact I never hear from them again [18:50] i had a similar issue in OpenSuse 11.2 [18:50] If the computer is connected directly to the router things move faste (Yahoo loads in 1-2 minutes) [18:50] So I'm playing with the wireless options to see if that can be boosted a little [18:50] THis is Vista [18:50] 1-2 minutes? is it faster? [18:51] Which is why I carried a live CD which now is fun to toss up in the air and watch it sparkle [18:51] Daskreech: try another channel [18:51] ask it in #kubuntu [18:51] if there are a lot of overlapping wifis it can cause problems of that sort [18:52] the larger the site the more packages can get lost [18:52] I feel that KDE check spelling is not working propertly in 4.3.3 packages from Updates PPA [18:52] hence the long loading time for yahoo IMHO [18:52] one wifi point [18:52] 12 clients [18:52] still, try fiddling with the channel [18:53] there isnt really anything the access point should do that would cause outside communication problems [18:53] Yeah that's what I was going on. Plus they have been offline for over a month so they are pulling hundreds of Megs of updates now :( [18:55] ok swapping otu channels [18:55] Lex79: How's spell checking in the 4.3.4 stuff you're working on? [18:56] Mamarok: mind translating bug 489125 ? [18:56] Launchpad bug 489125 in kde4libs "(french): gestionnaire de logiciels ne peut plus mettre à jour le système, erreur (1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/489125 [18:57] apachelogger: Package manager doesn't update the system anymore, error 1 [18:57] * Mamarok checks the report [18:58] I cannot open chek spell window either in Konqueror or Lokalize [18:58] that sounds incredibly non-technical and thus can not come from some KDE thingy :D [18:58] and wrongly typed words are not underlined [18:58] tested that it works well in Debian testing [18:59] apachelogger: he says: after removing xtux the package manager doesn't update his system anymore [18:59] hm [18:59] interesting, not easily triaged though [19:00] bug 454115 maybe? [19:00] apachelogger: seen my slides or did they get stuck in the shredder of the ML? [19:00] Launchpad bug 454115 in xtux "apt-get remove fails for xtux-client and xtux-server" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/454115 [19:00] lol @ wishlist tho [19:01] I'd shove it over xtux's way regardless [19:01] JontheEchidna: quite possibly [19:01] well, it is french [19:01] hmm, those are hard to get feedback from [19:01] so technically it first needs to be triaged towards englishness [19:01] but it has been answered by marc Deslauriel, no? [19:01] in English [19:02] that's just "this isn't a security bug" boiler plate that the security team gives to all bugs mistakenly reported as security issues [19:02] security team does not care all that much :P [19:02] ah, ok [19:02] Mamarok: could you ask the reporter to do https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xtux/+bug/454115/comments/5 [19:02] seems xtux related, though [19:02] Launchpad bug 454115 in xtux "apt-get remove fails for xtux-client and xtux-server" [Wishlist,Fix released] [19:02] should be the same issue [19:02] apachelogger: ok [19:03] also fits the description of failing updates, since apt-get will fail on anything unless the package is removed [19:04] Mamarok: the bug can be closed then, thanks for the help :) [19:06] done [19:06] JontheEchidna: whatever happened to those jockey bugs we discussed a while back? were they merged? [19:06] I never got around to poking pitti [19:07] do I close it as Fix Released? [19:07] or just mark it as a duplicate? [19:08] JontheEchidna: most jockey reports seem to be about the packages it installs, not the actual app.. do u know of any code-related ones that I might be able to help with? [19:08] apachelogger: ? [19:08] Mamarok: dup I think [19:08] amichair: not off the top of my head, no. The activation bug was really the only major one [19:08] ok [19:09] jockey-kde could stand to have policykit support implemented [19:10] apachelogger: I think the security team very much cares, but just about the stuff they have been specifically told to care about. [19:10] amichair: jockey cause system crash (kernel) at installing bcmwl-kernel-source [19:10] * ScottK finds this a reasonable position. [19:10] ScottK: yeah, I meant it doesnt care about the report being french, because it is not security issue eitherway [19:10] OK [19:11] So the meeting is in 50 mins, right? [19:12] Roughly. [19:12] amichair: installing those packages with apt does not cause any problem [19:12] Assuming it's today [19:14] lol [19:15] EagleScreen: I'll take a look (don't have that hardware myself to test with though) [19:15] rgreening: I was never able to say this on the ML, but the reason that I myself didn't send out the doodle link was that my kio_smtp was broken by the Qt 4.6 rc transition [19:15] otherwise I would have [19:15] ok, do you the bug report localized, amichair? [19:15] heh [19:15] JontheEchidna: np... [19:16] * rgreening was feeling disconnected [19:16] EagleScreen: I think you a verb [19:16] well, at least you could send email :P [19:16] Would someone please reply to the guy that wants to help Kubuntu on kubuntu-devel? [19:16] true... I was reading it frm ym Archos5 Internet Tablet (awesome device) [19:17] lol, sorry, i meant if do you have the bug report, it is Bug #448753 [19:17] Launchpad bug 448753 in linux "System hangs when I use jockey for first time to enable "wl" module" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/448753 [19:19] EagleScreen: is it a dup of bug #423479? [19:19] Launchpad bug 423479 in linux "Kernel crash when bcmwl is installed via jockey." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423479 [19:21] oh yes, they are duplicated [19:22] * txwikinger wonders if he should disable konqi [19:22] konqi is the crash handler? [19:23] no I mean konqueror [19:23] EagleScreen: it's both on gtk and kde? [19:23] how do you "disable" konqueror? [19:24] move the binary to somewhere it is not found [19:26] if you want to avoid its usage, I think the only job to do is preset another default browser, any cadidate? [19:28] anything but [19:28] or a dbus fix [19:29] jussi01: Is there an easy way to get us a meetbot here for JontheEchidna's kubuntu-dev meeting? [19:31] ScottK: annoy nalioth or seeker? [19:31] jussi01: Would you please? [19:31] * ScottK is trying to help someone fix their Ruby code and he doesn't know Ruby, so distractions are a problem at the moment. [19:32] hehe [19:32] Ill see what I can do [19:33] why isnt the meeting in -meeting? === Blizzz is now known as Blizzzek [19:33] ScottK: Ruby is not difficult === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [19:33] txwikinger: It's not, but learning a new language while helping someone fix stuff isn't the best way to do it. [19:34] yeah.. can raise the complexity :D [19:34] * txwikinger wonders how to troubleshoot dbus [19:37] * rgreening think hitting it with dtruck [19:37] ha [19:39] lol [19:39] ScottK: when was the meeting again? [19:40] jussi01: 20mins [19:41] rgreening: that does not fix anything, it will only cause a accident report [19:41] * jussi01 waves to Seeker` [19:41] * Seeker` waves [19:42] ScottK: can I help with the ruby? [19:43] apachelogger: Not without an NDA unfortunately. [19:44] This is $WORK. [19:44] ok :) [19:44] * txwikinger thinks NDA sounds very proprietary [19:44] It is. [19:44] * apachelogger goes looking for an appliance with psql 8.1 [19:46] ScottK: mootbot is being bad. you can still use in #ubuntu-meeting but it wont join here. talk to Seeker` for more [19:46] jussi01: OK. Thanks. [19:47] How does everyone feel about squatting in #ubuntu-meeting for JontheEchidna's kubuntu-dev? [19:47] sorry, I don't know what is wrong with it, I can't access the server and the only person that can restart the bot isn't online [19:48] for what you need that bot now? [19:48] * txwikinger thinks that there is a redundancy deficiency [19:48] if logs, I get logs [19:48] * Seeker` wonders what happened to Tm_T's ability to type English [19:49] ScottK: Id strongly suggest it, theres not anyone else scheduled [19:49] jussi01: Thanks. [19:49] Seeker`: it's my still ongoing dizzyness /: [19:49] @now utc [19:49] Current time in Etc/UTC: November 30 2009, 19:49:35 [19:49] Seeker`: We can use #ubuntu-meeting. thanks for trying. [19:53] Nothing scheduled in #ubuntu-meeting. [20:01] kubuntu-dev meeting in #ubuntu-meeting [20:02] Tonio__, nixternal, Riddell, apachelogger: kubuntu-dev meeting in #ubuntu-meeting === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [20:28] congrats JontheEchidna [20:28] txwikinger: thanks [20:29] If it makes it up for it, I was able to spot a problem (two actually) with a debian/changelog entry within 10 seconds in #ubuntu-motu the other day [20:29] and no-one mentioned Kate as an option, bah [20:29] though that is really something I should have remembered for the meeting ;-) [20:30]