| cwillu_at_work | Hmm. Having some difficulties getting a beagleboard to give me anything better than 640x480 (it should be running at 1024x768, with some reports of success at 1280x1024) | 04:13 |
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| cwillu_at_work | ugh, may just be me | 04:14 |
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| armin76 | lool: does the lange board have sata? | 13:26 |
| Meizirkki | does anyone here know if the debian unstable is no more armv4t ? | 13:40 |
| armin76 | Meizirkki: suihkulokki should know | 13:54 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 13:55 |
| ogra | armin76, no imx51 based board has sata yet | 14:02 |
| armin76 | ogra: i thought the babbage did? | 14:03 |
| asac | no | 14:08 |
| lool | armin76: No | 14:11 |
| lool | armin76: Well there are multiple lange boards, but none of them has SATA I think | 14:11 |
| armin76 | ack, thanks | 14:11 |
| lool | armin76: The babbage 2.x+ boards have a SATA port but it's actually wired to USB IIRC | 14:12 |
| lool | (I think it's wired to USB, but I'm not sure it's not wired to PATA) | 14:12 |
| lool | Plus, there's a software bug with the SATA port too | 14:12 |
| armin76 | lool: well, better than nothing :) | 14:12 |
| ogra_ | there is a patch and there should be an SRU soon | 14:13 |
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| cwillu_at_work | anyone have any success running karmic on a beagleboard at a video resolution better than 800x600? | 14:23 |
| cwillu_at_work | I can't seem to get this figured out; my lcd complains about the signal being out of range; as far as I can tell I'm running at 1024x768MR16@60, but I don't know that for sure | 14:24 |
| cwillu_at_work | the lcd works fine on the default oe install | 14:24 |
| cwillu_at_work | could somebody give me a hand? | 14:26 |
| cwillu_at_work | woot, I have success! | 15:45 |
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| ogra | lool, tickle | 16:28 |
| ogra | lool, in linux-user/arm/syscall.h in qemu user we have a hardcoded #define UNAME_MACHINE "armv5tel" for all little endian arms ... what do you think of defaulting that to v7 ? | 16:56 |
| lool | That's odd | 16:57 |
| ogra | well, the current situation is bad for using qemu for lucid stuff | 16:58 |
| ogra | and i think we should match our default compile settings here ... probably with a commandline switch though | 16:58 |
| lool | I'm fetching an up-to-date qemu.git to see if it's still relevant | 16:59 |
| lool | ogra: I think it should report whatever is emulated | 16:59 |
| lool | Not a hardcoded string | 16:59 |
| ogra | well, how do you tell which exact armel platform is emulated with qemu-user :) | 17:00 |
| ogra | it surely makes sense to do that for qemu-system | 17:00 |
| lool | Still an issue in tip | 17:00 |
| ogra | but -user will just emulate "something" | 17:00 |
| ogra | and translate the syscalls | 17:00 |
| lool | ogra: I guess they report the oldest uname which supports EABI | 17:01 |
| ogra | right | 17:01 |
| ogra | which doesnt help us on lucid | 17:01 |
| lool | ogra: perhaps it's nicer to just use linux32 style overrides for this? | 17:01 |
| ogra | i pretty much doubt there are many differences between the actual syscalls, but if apps use uname anywhere they will get the wrong thing returned | 17:02 |
| lool | ogra: There are no differences since it's all EABI | 17:05 |
| ogra | right | 17:05 |
| lool | You can copy EABI binaries around to different armvN, as long as the binaries don't use instructions for the newer arches | 17:05 |
| lool | sh-4.0# setarch armv7l uname -m | 17:05 |
| lool | /usr/bin/setarch: armv7l: Unrecognized architecture | 17:05 |
| lool | Hmm | 17:06 |
| armin76 | :D | 17:06 |
| lool | Just needs implementatin in util-linux apparenlty, seems trivial | 17:06 |
| lool | ogra: Actually I have to ask: why do we care? | 17:06 |
| lool | Some packages might default to looking at uname output, but that's wrong | 17:07 |
| ogra | lool, oem seems to use qemu-arm-static for testbuilds etc, lamont pinged me that he gets the wrong uname info | 17:07 |
| ogra | well, depends ... | 17:07 |
| lool | Yeah I told them about it | 17:07 |
| ogra | for sure you shouldnt use uname during buiold | 17:07 |
| lool | Perhaps it's someone else though | 17:07 |
| ogra | but i bet there are a ton of packages that use uname calls at runtime, from scripts etc | 17:08 |
| ogra | if you want to test your stuff and it relies on uname it will not work | 17:08 |
| ogra | i agree its a failure if a package uses it at build time | 17:08 |
| lool | ogra: I think setarch is an elegant fix | 17:09 |
| ogra | if it works :) | 17:09 |
| lool | I'm not sure whether we want to allow v5 -> v7 by default, so it might be good to add some force flag or something | 17:09 |
| lool | ogra: it's a trivial table | 17:09 |
| ogra | ah, well .... /me puts it on TODO to take a look at some point | 17:10 |
| ogra | i just brought it up bacause lamont asked about it | 17:10 |
| ogra | i dont think its *that* important | 17:10 |
| fta | asac, could you please file bugs against chromium wrt the tests that abort but leave children behind? | 18:36 |
| fta | asac, also if you feel brave, one bug per FAILED would be nice (the ones that are ARM only) | 18:37 |
| stevesmith1983 | hi all | 18:44 |
| stevesmith1983 | I've got a tevion pvr hardisk video recorder, wondering about trying ubuntu on it. is the kernel mentioned in the last paragraph of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM goingto be suitable? I've never tried ubuntu on arm before! | 18:46 |
| ogra | no, thats a qemu kernel for the emulator | 18:46 |
| ogra | god, that page is horridly outdated | 18:47 |
| armin76 | :D | 18:47 |
| stevesmith1983 | lol!! | 18:47 |
| stevesmith1983 | ahh | 18:47 |
| armin76 | stevesmith1983: its highly unlikely you're going to find a kernel | 18:47 |
| stevesmith1983 | ah, okay :( | 18:47 |
| stevesmith1983 | I know nothing about kernels really | 18:47 |
| ogra | see the url in the channel topic for the last paragraph ... | 18:47 |
| stevesmith1983 | well, I know what they do, just not how they do it :P | 18:47 |
| stevesmith1983 | ah, I have that webpage onscreen already... | 18:48 |
| ogra | unlike x86 you need a kernel specifically build for the mainboard you use if you work with ARM | 18:48 |
| stevesmith1983 | ohh, I see | 18:48 |
| stevesmith1983 | the rootfsfromscratch, will that compline me a suitable kernel, or o I have to have someone write me one? | 18:49 |
| ogra | so first of all you would have to find the linux kernel for your tevion ... without it you are lost | 18:49 |
| stevesmith1983 | *do | 18:49 |
| stevesmith1983 | well, it's got linux on it now, so could I use the existing kernel if I can get it off there? | 18:49 |
| ogra | the rootfs from scratchj will only create you a userspace root filesystem | 18:49 |
| stevesmith1983 | that makes sense | 18:49 |
| ogra | no kernel or modules or anything | 18:49 |
| stevesmith1983 | kernels aren't distro specific, are they? so since it's runnign some version of linux now, I could use that kernel with ubuntu on it, have I understood that right? | 18:50 |
| ogra | you probably could | 18:51 |
| ogra | there are other arm specifics ... | 18:51 |
| ogra | like the version of the arm implementation | 18:52 |
| ogra | jaunty was supporting ARMv5 CPUs ... karmic only ARMv6 and lucid will only work on v7 CPUs | 18:52 |
| stevesmith1983 | I haven't yet dug out a datasheet for the one I've got, so not sure which arm version it's got in it | 18:53 |
| ogra | so you first have to find out what implementation your CPU is and then you can make a decision what release/reootfs to use | 18:53 |
| stevesmith1983 | this is all sounding a bit out of my depth, I think! | 18:53 |
| stevesmith1983 | maybe I'm just going to have to accept that not everything in the house including the toaster needs to run ubuntu... | 18:54 |
| ogra | heh | 18:54 |
| stevesmith1983 | :) | 18:54 |
| ogra | you should probably ask in #ubuntu-toaster :) | 18:54 |
| stevesmith1983 | well, thanks so much for your help anyway, you've saved me hours of research!! | 18:54 |
| stevesmith1983 | haha :P | 18:54 |
| ogra | welcome | 18:54 |
| Q_Continuum | why is Ubuntu rapidly dropping arm5 and arm6 anyway? | 18:55 |
| stevesmith1983 | I'll have a go at seeing if I can get into a shell on it with the current version of linux it's got on it, that'll keep me busy for long enough :) | 18:55 |
| Q_Continuum | I bought a SheevaPlug because Ubuntu ran on it, now it's basically EOL'd for 12 months from now :-( | 18:56 |
| ogra | i heard ruoumors that the newer sheeva should run a dove CPU | 18:56 |
| ogra | for which we provide images since karmic | 18:56 |
| ogra | s/dove/armada iirc ... afaik it was renamed | 18:57 |
| stevesmith1983 | speak again ogra, bye! | 18:57 |
| ogra | bye | 18:57 |
| Q_Continuum | Eh, at this point I'll stick to x86 for whatever I end up using. Either an Atom 330 or one of Via's new chips. That way I won't have a "SURPRISE!" moment before I even get it set up. lol | 18:58 |
| ogra | Q_Continuum, backwards compatibility costs performance ... even though it was a hard decision to make v7 provides the fastest and smallest today ... | 18:58 |
| Q_Continuum | yeah | 18:59 |
| ogra | v7 is and will stay the smallest denominator though ... | 18:59 |
| Q_Continuum | At the same time, I wish the Sheeva had been done with a newer-tech chip | 18:59 |
| ogra | even when cortex-a9 comes around next year we'll likely keep v7 | 18:59 |
| ogra | (we had a quadcore -a9 demo at UDS ... quite awesome) | 19:00 |
| Q_Continuum | I was hoping to have a little shell box/email server, but now that I'm stuck with 9.04, and that will die in 12 months, it isn't worth my time to set it up. | 19:01 |
| ogra | well, there is debian for pre v7 arches | 19:02 |
| Q_Continuum | So for now it'll just have to be my old Athlon64 Desktop Replacement laptop until I have monies | 19:02 |
| armin76 | yep | 19:02 |
| Q_Continuum | Eh, I try to stick to one distro. | 19:02 |
| Q_Continuum | Makes it easier to keep track of things | 19:02 |
| Q_Continuum | and how long until Debian drops v5? heh | 19:02 |
| armin76 | knowledge doesn't hurt :) | 19:02 |
| Q_Continuum | knowledge doesn't hurt, but time is the limitation. | 19:03 |
| armin76 | don't think they ever will | 19:03 |
| armin76 | ogra: why ubuntu doesn't support the beagleboard? | 19:03 |
| ogra | no comment :) | 19:03 |
| ogra | our userspace does though ... | 19:03 |
| armin76 | ogra: why not? | 19:03 |
| ogra | we just dont have distro kernels | 19:04 |
| ogra | armin76, simply because nobody stepped up to maintain a kernel for it ... you are free to package one for uinverse | 19:05 |
| ogra | *uni | 19:05 |
| armin76 | lol, no thanks :) | 19:06 |
| ogra | anyway ... | 19:06 |
| * ogra calls it a day now ... | 19:06 | |
| ogra | for real ! :) | 19:06 |
| cwillu_at_work | wait, who said ubuntu doesn't support the beagleboard? | 22:01 |
| * cwillu_at_work is on a beagleboard right now with a nearly stock ubuntu | 22:01 | |
| cwillu_at_work | oh, kernel | 22:02 |
| cwillu_at_work | ogra, what is involved in maintaining a kernel package for it? | 22:02 |
| * cwillu_at_work has a bunch of beagleboards in little boxes that he has to support anyway | 22:02 | |
| cwillu_at_work | (afk, back later) | 22:11 |
| Linjan | доброй ночи | 22:59 |
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| Linjan | захотелось мне вот поставить это чудо на O2 Xda Flame | 23:00 |
| Linjan | возможно ли? | 23:00 |
| lool | ELANG | 23:00 |
| Linjan | english? | 23:00 |
| lool | Yeah | 23:00 |
| Linjan | ok | 23:00 |
| Linjan | good night | 23:00 |
| lool | I'm afraid we don't support phones | 23:01 |
| lool | You can use an Ubuntu chroot if you like | 23:01 |
| Linjan | i want to install ubuntu-arm on O2 xda flame | 23:01 |
| Linjan | now it working on Windows Mobile 6.1 | 23:01 |
| Linjan | hm | 23:02 |
| Linjan | ARM here is not a type of CPU? | 23:02 |
| lool | It is | 23:02 |
| lool | But you need some kernel to run it on | 23:02 |
| Linjan | where can I read a... manual, for example | 23:04 |
| Linjan | or known issues | 23:04 |
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