[04:13] <cwillu_at_work> Hmm.  Having some difficulties getting a beagleboard to give me anything better than 640x480 (it should be running at 1024x768, with some reports of success at 1280x1024)
[04:14] <cwillu_at_work> ugh, may just be me
[13:26] <armin76> lool: does the lange board have sata?
[13:40] <Meizirkki> does anyone here know if the debian unstable is no more armv4t ?
[13:54] <armin76> Meizirkki: suihkulokki should know
[13:55] <Meizirkki> ok
[14:02] <ogra> armin76, no imx51 based board has sata yet
[14:03] <armin76> ogra: i thought the babbage did?
[14:08] <asac> no
[14:11] <lool> armin76: No
[14:11] <lool> armin76: Well there are multiple lange boards, but none of them has SATA I think
[14:11] <armin76> ack, thanks
[14:12] <lool> armin76: The babbage 2.x+ boards have a SATA port but it's actually wired to USB IIRC
[14:12] <lool> (I think it's wired to USB, but I'm not sure it's not wired to PATA)
[14:12] <lool> Plus, there's a software bug with the SATA port too
[14:12] <armin76> lool: well, better than nothing :)
[14:13] <ogra_> there is a patch and there should be an SRU soon
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> anyone have any success running karmic on a beagleboard at a video resolution better than 800x600?
[14:24] <cwillu_at_work> I can't seem to get this figured out;  my lcd complains about the signal being out of range; as far as I can tell I'm running at 1024x768MR16@60, but I don't know that for sure
[14:24] <cwillu_at_work> the lcd works fine on the default oe install
[14:26] <cwillu_at_work> could somebody give me a hand?
[15:45] <cwillu_at_work> woot, I have success!
[16:28] <ogra> lool, tickle
[16:56] <ogra> lool, in linux-user/arm/syscall.h in qemu user we have a hardcoded #define UNAME_MACHINE "armv5tel" for all little endian arms ... what do you think of defaulting that to v7 ?
[16:57] <lool> That's odd
[16:58] <ogra> well, the current situation is bad for using qemu for lucid stuff
[16:58] <ogra> and i think we should match our default compile settings here ... probably with a commandline switch though
[16:59] <lool> I'm fetching an up-to-date qemu.git to see if it's still relevant
[16:59] <lool> ogra: I think it should report whatever is emulated
[16:59] <lool> Not a hardcoded string
[17:00] <ogra> well, how do you tell which exact armel platform is emulated with qemu-user :)
[17:00] <ogra> it surely makes sense to do that for qemu-system
[17:00] <lool> Still an issue in tip
[17:00] <ogra> but -user will just emulate "something"
[17:00] <ogra> and translate the syscalls
[17:01] <lool> ogra: I guess they report the oldest uname which supports EABI
[17:01] <ogra> right
[17:01] <ogra> which doesnt help us on lucid
[17:01] <lool> ogra: perhaps it's nicer to just use linux32 style overrides for this?
[17:02] <ogra> i pretty much doubt there are many differences between the actual syscalls, but if apps use uname anywhere they will get the wrong thing returned
[17:05] <lool> ogra: There are no differences since it's all EABI
[17:05] <ogra> right
[17:05] <lool> You can copy EABI binaries around to different armvN, as long as the binaries don't use instructions for the newer arches
[17:05] <lool> sh-4.0# setarch armv7l uname -m
[17:05] <lool> /usr/bin/setarch: armv7l: Unrecognized architecture
[17:06] <lool> Hmm
[17:06] <armin76> :D
[17:06] <lool> Just needs implementatin in util-linux apparenlty, seems trivial
[17:06] <lool> ogra: Actually I have to ask: why do we care?
[17:07] <lool> Some packages might default to looking at uname output, but that's wrong
[17:07] <ogra> lool, oem seems to use qemu-arm-static for testbuilds etc, lamont pinged me that he gets the wrong uname info
[17:07] <ogra> well, depends ...
[17:07] <lool> Yeah I told them about it
[17:07] <ogra> for sure you shouldnt use uname during buiold
[17:07] <lool> Perhaps it's someone else though
[17:08] <ogra> but i bet there are a ton of packages that use uname calls at runtime, from scripts etc
[17:08] <ogra> if you want to test your stuff and it relies on uname it will not work
[17:08] <ogra> i agree its a failure if a package uses it at build time
[17:09] <lool> ogra: I think setarch is an elegant fix
[17:09] <ogra> if it works :)
[17:09] <lool> I'm not sure whether we want to allow v5 -> v7 by default, so it might be good to add some force flag or something
[17:09] <lool> ogra: it's a trivial table
[17:10] <ogra> ah, well .... /me puts it on TODO to take a look at some point
[17:10] <ogra> i just brought it up bacause lamont asked about it
[17:10] <ogra> i dont think its *that* important
[18:36] <fta> asac, could you please file bugs against chromium wrt the tests that abort but leave children behind?
[18:37] <fta> asac, also if you feel brave, one bug per FAILED would be nice (the ones that are ARM only)
[18:44] <stevesmith1983> hi all
[18:46] <stevesmith1983> I've got a tevion pvr hardisk video recorder, wondering about trying ubuntu on it.  is the kernel mentioned in the last paragraph of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM goingto be suitable?  I've never tried ubuntu on arm before!
[18:46] <ogra> no, thats a qemu kernel for the emulator
[18:47] <ogra> god, that page is horridly outdated
[18:47] <armin76> :D
[18:47] <stevesmith1983> lol!!
[18:47] <stevesmith1983> ahh
[18:47] <armin76> stevesmith1983: its highly unlikely you're going to find a kernel
[18:47] <stevesmith1983> ah, okay :(
[18:47] <stevesmith1983> I know nothing about kernels really
[18:47] <ogra> see the url in the channel topic for the last paragraph ...
[18:47] <stevesmith1983> well, I know what they do, just not how they do it :P
[18:48] <stevesmith1983> ah, I have that webpage onscreen already...
[18:48] <ogra> unlike x86 you need a kernel specifically build for the mainboard you use if you work with ARM
[18:48] <stevesmith1983> ohh, I see
[18:49] <stevesmith1983> the rootfsfromscratch, will that compline me a suitable kernel, or o I have to have someone write me one?
[18:49] <ogra> so first of all you would have to find the linux kernel for your tevion ... without it you are lost
[18:49] <stevesmith1983> *do
[18:49] <stevesmith1983> well, it's got linux on it now, so could I use the existing kernel if I can get it off there?
[18:49] <ogra> the rootfs from scratchj will only create you a userspace root filesystem
[18:49] <stevesmith1983> that makes sense
[18:49] <ogra> no kernel or modules or anything
[18:50] <stevesmith1983> kernels aren't distro specific, are they?  so since it's runnign some version of linux now, I could use that kernel with ubuntu on it, have I understood that right?
[18:51] <ogra> you probably could
[18:51] <ogra> there are other arm specifics ...
[18:52] <ogra> like the version of the arm implementation
[18:52] <ogra> jaunty was supporting ARMv5 CPUs ... karmic only ARMv6 and lucid will only work on v7 CPUs
[18:53] <stevesmith1983> I haven't yet dug out a datasheet for the one I've got, so not sure which arm version it's got in it
[18:53] <ogra> so you first have to find out what implementation your CPU is and then you can make a decision what release/reootfs to use
[18:53] <stevesmith1983> this is all sounding a bit out of my depth, I think!
[18:54] <stevesmith1983> maybe I'm just going to have to accept that not everything in the house including the toaster needs to run ubuntu...
[18:54] <ogra> heh
[18:54] <stevesmith1983> :)
[18:54] <ogra> you should probably ask in #ubuntu-toaster :)
[18:54] <stevesmith1983> well, thanks so much for your help anyway, you've saved me hours of research!!
[18:54] <stevesmith1983> haha :P
[18:54] <ogra> welcome
[18:55] <Q_Continuum> why is Ubuntu rapidly dropping arm5 and arm6 anyway?
[18:55] <stevesmith1983> I'll have a go at seeing if I can get into a shell on it with the current version of linux it's got on it, that'll keep me busy for long enough :)
[18:56] <Q_Continuum> I bought a SheevaPlug because Ubuntu ran on it, now it's basically EOL'd for 12 months from now :-(
[18:56] <ogra> i heard ruoumors that the newer sheeva should run a dove CPU
[18:56] <ogra> for which we provide images since karmic
[18:57] <ogra> s/dove/armada iirc ... afaik it was renamed
[18:57] <stevesmith1983> speak again ogra, bye!
[18:57] <ogra> bye
[18:58] <Q_Continuum> Eh, at this point I'll stick to x86 for whatever I end up using.  Either an Atom 330 or one of Via's new chips.  That way I won't have a "SURPRISE!" moment before I even get it set up. lol
[18:58] <ogra> Q_Continuum, backwards compatibility costs performance ... even though it was a hard decision to make v7 provides the fastest and smallest today ...
[18:59] <Q_Continuum> yeah
[18:59] <ogra> v7 is and will stay the smallest denominator though ...
[18:59] <Q_Continuum> At the same time, I wish the Sheeva had been done with a newer-tech chip
[18:59] <ogra> even when cortex-a9 comes around next year we'll likely keep v7
[19:00] <ogra> (we had a quadcore -a9 demo at UDS ... quite awesome)
[19:01] <Q_Continuum> I was hoping to have a little shell box/email server, but now that I'm stuck with 9.04, and that will die in 12 months, it isn't worth my time to set it up.
[19:02] <ogra> well, there is debian for pre v7 arches
[19:02] <Q_Continuum> So for now it'll just have to be my old Athlon64 Desktop Replacement laptop until I have monies
[19:02] <armin76> yep
[19:02] <Q_Continuum> Eh, I try to stick to one distro.
[19:02] <Q_Continuum> Makes it easier to keep track of things
[19:02] <Q_Continuum> and how long until Debian drops v5? heh
[19:02] <armin76> knowledge doesn't hurt :)
[19:03] <Q_Continuum> knowledge doesn't hurt, but time is the limitation.
[19:03] <armin76> don't think they ever will
[19:03] <armin76> ogra: why ubuntu doesn't support the beagleboard?
[19:03] <ogra> no comment :)
[19:03] <ogra> our userspace does though ...
[19:03] <armin76> ogra: why not?
[19:04] <ogra> we just dont have distro kernels
[19:05] <ogra> armin76, simply because nobody stepped up to maintain a kernel for it ... you are free to package one for uinverse
[19:05] <ogra> *uni
[19:06] <armin76> lol, no thanks :)
[19:06] <ogra> anyway ...
[19:06]  * ogra calls it a day now ... 
[19:06] <ogra> for real ! :)
[22:01] <cwillu_at_work> wait, who said ubuntu doesn't support the beagleboard?
[22:01]  * cwillu_at_work is on a beagleboard right now with a nearly stock ubuntu
[22:02] <cwillu_at_work> oh, kernel
[22:02] <cwillu_at_work> ogra, what is involved in maintaining a kernel package for it?
[22:02]  * cwillu_at_work has a bunch of beagleboards in little boxes that he has to support anyway
[22:11] <cwillu_at_work> (afk, back later)
[22:59] <Linjan> доброй ночи
[23:00] <Linjan> захотелось мне вот поставить это чудо на O2 Xda Flame
[23:00] <Linjan> возможно ли?
[23:00] <lool> ELANG
[23:00] <Linjan> english?
[23:00] <lool> Yeah
[23:00] <Linjan> ok
[23:00] <Linjan> good night
[23:01] <lool> I'm afraid we don't support phones
[23:01] <lool> You can use an Ubuntu chroot if you like
[23:01] <Linjan> i want to install ubuntu-arm on O2 xda flame
[23:01] <Linjan> now it working on Windows Mobile 6.1
[23:02] <Linjan> hm
[23:02] <Linjan> ARM here is not a type of CPU?
[23:02] <lool> It is
[23:02] <lool> But you need some kernel to run it on
[23:04] <Linjan> where can I read a... manual, for example
[23:04] <Linjan> or known issues