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cdavisWhen marking a bug as a duplicate is is proper to write anything to the submitter or just leave it as is?01:10
yofelcdavis: every bug action should be commented, for duplicates see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#A%20duplicate  (please replace NUMBER with the bug number)01:14
cdavisyofel: a whole wiki page of responses! thank you01:17
yofelcdavis: if you're new, you should find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase quite helpful01:19
yofelcdavis: and you might want to try the firefox scripts mentioned at the top of the responses page01:20
cdavisyofel: I am trying to get the firefox extension working now, thanks again01:33
yofelyou're welcome01:34
LimCoreatop kernel patches are not usable with nowdays kernels. It is unmaintained even by upstream it would seem. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/atoppatch/+bug/49018002:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 490180 in atoppatch "Atop patches are out of date - do not match - can not apply to recent kernels" [Undecided,New]02:39
LimCoreplease remove packages   kernel-patch-atopcnt   kernel-patch-atopacct  as they do not work with recent kernels (not even upstream versions)02:45
Hobbseemmm, they look like they should be removed02:47
Hobbseewould be nice for you to actually *use* the sponsorship process,though02:49
LimCorethe what process02:50
HobbseeWant to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing02:50
Hobbseeused for package removals, among other things02:51
Hobbseeelse it's much more likely to sit, unfound, forever02:51
FFEMTcJCan someone please wishlist bug 49016502:54
ubot4Launchpad bug 490165 in debian "[needs-packaging] Go Ollie!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49016502:54
FFEMTcJwishlist: bug 49015102:59
ubot4Launchpad bug 490151 in fribidi "[needs-packaging] Upgrade libfribidi to 0.19.x" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49015102:59
Hobbseeright, 2 bugs closed.03:02
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_duHi All. I've a problem described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xterm/+bug/355883 for xterm+bash. Could somebody suggest any w/a for this?11:33
ubot4Launchpad bug 355883 in mksh "Jaunty: CTRL-LEFT and CTRL-RIGHT do not work in zsh" [Undecided,Fix committed]11:33
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bddebianBoo15:18
thekornhello bddebian15:19
bddebianHi thekorn15:19
WeatherGodhello15:20
WeatherGodI got an apt/aptitude question...15:21
WeatherGodis there a way to search your installed packages to determine which ones came from a certain repo?15:22
jpdsWeatherGod: apt-cache policy <packagename>15:29
WeatherGodjpds: well, I want to find the packages that are for a particular repo, not the other way around15:30
WeatherGodI have a bug report where it looks like one of the repos might have updated some of the user's packages15:31
jpdsWeatherGod: Do you know the repo and want to find out which packages are in it?15:32
WeatherGodI know the repo, and want to find out which installed packages are from there15:33
jpdsHmm.15:33
mrandWeatherGod: synaptic, down at the bottom you can click origin.15:41
WeatherGodah, right15:42
mrandThen click the first column and it will collect up which ones were installed from that repo15:42
mrandNot ideal.15:42
WeatherGodbut it gets the job done15:42
mrandAlmost certainly a text way to do it... just haven't researched.15:43
WeatherGodok, looks like the search terms in aptitude are ?installed ?archive(NAME)15:46
WeatherGodor ~i ~Aname15:47
WeatherGoduseful page: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide15:48
WeatherGodor maybe I should use ~Oorigin15:49
MTecknologyHow do I make reporting a bug in Ubuntu not forward to the wiki?16:13
WeatherGod?16:14
MTecknologyWeatherGod: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug16:14
MTecknologyI just found it..16:14
jpdsMTecknology: ?no-redirect16:15
MTecknologyyup - thanks :)16:15
MTecknologyI hate that it does that. Be nice if there was a team we could join to prevent that16:15
WeatherGodhuh, never noticed that...16:16
WeatherGodI always go directly to the package and file the bug through that16:16
jpdsbug #434115.16:16
ubot4Launchpad bug 434115 in malone "ubuntu/series/+source/package/+filebug?no-redirect redirects any way" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43411516:16
jpdsErr, wrong bug.16:17
MTecknologyI suppose there's the timeout issue now too....16:17
jpdsPossibly bug #432088.16:18
MTecknologyactually... why are my keys not detected correctly.. this is likely the issue.16:18
ubot4Launchpad bug 432088 in malone "Disable +filebug redirection for ~ubuntu-bugcontrol" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43208816:18
MTecknologyIt doesn't seem my keyboard is being correctly detected.. standard keys work fine16:19
MTecknologyfunction keys and right alt don't though16:19
MTecknologyAny suggestions?16:20
WeatherGodthat is odd...16:20
WeatherGodwhat is your keyboard layout set as?16:20
MTecknologywhere do I see that now?16:21
jpdsMTecknology: System → Preferences → Keyboard.16:21
MTecknologyjpds: umm.. what tool is that?16:21
MTecknologyI don't have gnome or kde installed16:21
WeatherGodoh... what are you using?16:22
MTecknologyopenbox16:22
WeatherGodo..k... never used that16:22
WeatherGodis that text-based or graphical?16:23
MTecknologygui16:23
MTecknologybut very minimal16:23
WeatherGodok, is there a section for administration or preferences?16:23
WeatherGodor is it *very* minimal?16:23
MTecknologythis is a slightly modified version of the basic setup -> http://batland.de/files/11625694744--openbox_html_m62c39c45.png16:23
MTecknologybascially, they added a background16:24
MTecknologythis is closer to what I use -> http://lewk.org/img/securityspin.png16:24
WeatherGodoh, *that* thing!16:24
WeatherGodI always hated that mode when gnome fails16:24
MTecknologythat mode?16:24
MTecknologyyou mean the X window manager?16:24
MTecknologythat's not openbox16:25
MTecknologyX is VERY minimal16:25
WeatherGodthat's an understatement16:25
WeatherGodok, looking at the openbox wiki page16:25
MTecknologynah.. it's functional and doesn't force you to use frambuffer or anything; it works when you need it16:26
MTecknologycould you please do the right click on your menu and find the command that the keyboard preferences launches?16:26
WeatherGodnp, give me a second16:27
MTecknologyIt's not an openbox thing; unless there's some new app I need to run when I log in to make things work16:27
MTecknologyThis is what my system looks like after I start using it a little. http://imagebin.ca/img/2aRTMaEJ.png16:27
WeatherGodwell, what I have is gnome-keyboard-properties16:28
MTecknologyIt's not cluttered; pretty, the menu is nicely organized16:28
MTecknology!search gnome-keyboard-properties16:28
ubot4None found16:28
MTecknology:(16:28
MTecknology!info gnome-keyboard-properties16:28
ubot4MTecknology: Package gnome-keyboard-properties does not exist in karmic16:28
WeatherGodit is a program on my fedora and ubuntu systems16:30
WeatherGodprobably not a package itself, though16:30
MTecknologyya, not sure what it comes in - I'm excptecting massive deps16:30
WeatherGodon fedora, there is system-config-keyboard16:30
MTecknologynot here16:31
MTecknologyI wonder if it's gnome-control-center16:31
WeatherGodbrb16:32
MTecknology207MB in deps16:32
MTecknologyholy crap; it's even pulling nautilus16:33
MTecknologyand there it is16:34
MTecknologyKeyboard model: unknown16:35
MTecknologyHow can I figure out what I need to use?16:35
MTecknologyIt's a laptop keyboard16:36
ograMTecknology, did you try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ?16:36
ograX should use whatever that command configures in /etc/default/console-setup16:37
MTecknologyI need to reboot for that, huh?16:38
MTecknologyI'll brb16:38
ograat least for such minimal desktops like openbox where you dont have any additional kbd setup16:38
ograwell, you definately need to restart X16:38
MTecknologyI HATE the network in this univerisyt16:51
hggdhWeatherGod: you can 'apt-file search gnome-keyboard-properties', for example, and find that it belongs to gnome-control-center16:52
MTecknologyogra: functions keys still don't work and the working Alt key switched ot the other side :P16:52
hggdhWeatherGod: save thing would happen with 'dpkg -S gnome-keyboard-properties', as along as the package owning the file is installed16:53
hggdhs/save/same/16:53
MTecknologyogra: I tried Generic 105-key (Intl) PC16:54
MTecknologythat was default too16:54
MTecknologydoesn't look like lspci wants to tell me anything useful :(16:56
MTecknologyI could try evdev ??16:58
MTecknologynope17:00
MTecknologyI figured out why Alt keys weren't working17:00
MTecknologyStill no function keys17:00
MTecknologycould try kernel keymap - but I doubt that will help17:01
MTecknologythis sucks17:04
MTecknologyreally, by big issue is not having screen brightness control... I'd rather not open yet another bug to figure this out either17:06
MTecknologyI know it's a keybaord issue because unpligging the power changes the brightness17:08
MTecknologyworked perfect in 9.04 :D17:12
MTecknologyD:*17:12
MTecknologyare you freakin' serious....17:15
MTecknologymagic working situation17:15
MTecknologytime to reboot and test17:16
MTecknologywas working until I restarted - didn't change anything though17:18
MTecknologythis is seriously screwec up... the mute button is registering input in xev; but brightness up/down don't17:20
MTecknologyonly 4 of my 9 Fn keys work right17:21
WeatherGodMTecknology: what laptop are you using?17:40
MTecknologyWeatherGod: Sony Vaio VGN-FZ240E17:40
WeatherGodso, is it just the special keys now?17:41
MTecknologyyup17:41
WeatherGodis it that they aren't assigned, or is the signal not even coming in?17:41
WeatherGodI am not sure, but I think there has to be a database somewhere that contains the list of special keys for different laptops17:42
MTecknologyxev doesn't register the event at all17:42
WeatherGodwell, keyboards17:42
WeatherGodheh17:43
WeatherGodso, probably not a hotkeys issue17:43
MTecknologyidk... I don't want to open a bug :'(17:43
MTecknologyI'm way over tired and I just want it to work :'( ...17:44
* MTecknology realizes he's nearly pouting now17:44
MTecknologyThere's another bug I want to open - but I feel like avoiding that for now17:45
hggdhI dimly remember of something relating to the kernel about this special keys thingy... MTecknology, have you searched the kernel ML?17:46
MTecknologykernel ML?17:47
hggdhmailing list17:47
MTecknologynope17:47
MTecknologyI'll do that after I've had a nap - I don't have that patience right now17:47
hggdhwell, when one is still stuck, nothing like a (potentially fruitless) new search17:47
MTecknologyI do remember having this issue in the past too...17:47
MTecknologythere was a big bug report but it was mostly abotu the backlight controls17:48
MTecknologyalrighty; class is over - next class means only a little internet. I'll be back in a minute17:49
WeatherGodok17:49
WeatherGoddoes anybody have a clue about bug 49030717:57
ubot4Launchpad bug 490307 in gnome-system-monitor "Pb affichage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49030717:57
WeatherGodit doesn't seem to say anything useful17:57
WeatherGod"Bugs affichage"17:58
WeatherGodmaybe I am missing something here?17:58
pedro_WeatherGod, feel free to close it17:58
pedro_WeatherGod, the reporter is not registered on launchpad anymore17:58
WeatherGodpedro_: thanks, setting to invalid17:58
WeatherGodah17:59
pedro_you're welcome17:59
MTecknologyhggdh: if you have any ideas; I'm back for a little bit18:00
MTecknologyaside from the afore mentioned; search mailing list18:01
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WeatherGodcan someone set bug 490294 to "wishlist"18:20
ubot4Launchpad bug 490294 in totem "ASS not fully supported by Totem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49029418:20
pedro_WeatherGod, that's a duplicate of bug 15971818:29
ubot4Launchpad bug 159718 in gstreamer0.10 "Not support for subtitles SSA/ASS (Sub Station Alpha)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15971818:29
pedro_WeatherGod, could you mark it as such?18:29
WeatherGodno, it isn't18:29
WeatherGodthis report says that it can read the subtitles, and even display them18:30
WeatherGodbut the rendering isn't stylized18:30
WeatherGodat, least, that's my understanding18:30
pedro_WeatherGod, somebody having the issue should send it upstream then18:31
WeatherGodok18:32
pedro_WeatherGod, look at bug 39586618:36
ubot4Launchpad bug 395866 in gst-plugins-base0.10 "Totem cannot use the new assrender plugin to display ASS subtitles" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39586618:36
WeatherGodand, that is still different18:36
WeatherGodthat was a plugin problem18:36
pedro_Until this is implemented, ASS subtitles, will continue to be rendered in a rather ugly fashion.18:37
pedro_how that's different from the other one?18:37
WeatherGodpedro_, sorry, you are right... I did not see that in the description18:38
pedro_WeatherGod, no worries, could you mark the previous one as dup of that one?18:38
pedro_WeatherGod, thanks for triaging!18:38
WeatherGodno prob18:39
WeatherGodpedro_, curious, why did it get marked as invalid18:39
pedro_WeatherGod, the totem task you mean on the latest bug? that's because isn't a totem issue rather a gstreamer one18:41
WeatherGodah, ok18:41
WeatherGodpedro_, thanks for your help18:43
pedro_you're welcome18:43
WeatherGodbug 490270 looks like a wishlist item18:44
ubot4Launchpad bug 490270 in command-not-found "Uncooperative with laptop-mode-tools" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49027018:44
hggdhWeatherGod: I *sort* of agree with you -- I am just unsure this is a wishlist or just an Invalid one...18:49
hggdhbut I will mark as wish18:50
WeatherGodyeah, I just figure it might be a possible optimization18:51
WeatherGoddon't know exactly how it would be done, but anywho...18:51
WeatherGodplus, who will care when everyone goes to solid state?18:51
hggdhthis is why I went with you. I personally doubt it makes sense by itself, but the concept is interesting18:52
hggdhanyway, solid state is still some time away ;-)18:54
WeatherGodhggdh, any thoughts on where this one should be set to: bug 49027218:54
ubot4Launchpad bug 490272 in ubuntu "Monitor Brightness goes up and down by itself" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49027218:54
WeatherGodI love my solid state in my netbook18:54
WeatherGodI am rather rough on my appliances18:54
WeatherGoddon't know if it is hotkeys or some other sort of kde thing18:55
hggdhthis is a good bug... perhaps something on udev?18:56
WeatherGoddon't know... and I am not exactly sure how to collect additional info18:56
WeatherGoddoesn't look like the problem is impacting performance, so I guess it is possible to still collect key events18:57
hggdhWeatherGod: start by considering it related to udev or linux itself18:57
WeatherGodI don't think it is udev... considering that the device is loaded, obviously18:58
WeatherGodlooks to be more a control issue18:58
hggdhit *might* be related to X18:58
WeatherGoddoes X control brightness?18:58
WeatherGodguess I could ask the X people18:59
hggdhbut I am not sure anyways. But we have no idea of the what is exactly the hardware is18:59
hggdhand either X or linux would collect this data18:59
WeatherGodtrue, I'll ask the OR what is the hardware18:59
WeatherGodand I'll quickly pop over to the X forum to rule them out19:00
WeatherGodhggdh, X does control the brightness level, but it does not change it19:10
WeatherGodit merely exports /sys/class/backlight19:10
hggdhso we may go back to Linux19:12
WeatherGodyeah19:12
hggdhperhaps related to ACPI19:13
spOhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/440233    <---   this bug is not assigned.... do you think it would ever be fixed within a few months or shoudl i be looking at a new motherboard+ integrated video card?19:13
ubot4Launchpad bug 440233 in fglrx-installer "fglrx fails at startup because of missing amdpcsdb.default + removal leaves bad settings in Xorg.conf" [High,Confirmed]19:13
WeatherGodthat is possible19:13
WeatherGodsp0, when you removed your xorg.conf file, does everything work?19:15
spOyes19:16
spObut it also disables fglrx driver19:16
WeatherGodhow do you know?19:16
spObecause i check ?19:17
spOoh wait, no i use iniuition19:17
spOi go where it says i can enable or disable a driver... and i notice it changes to not enabled again19:17
micahg1hggdh: I keep having people with trouble using the new apport instructions on karmic19:18
WeatherGodis there any problems with not using the fglrx driver?19:18
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WeatherGodsp0, sorry if it is explained in the bug report, I am scanning through it right now19:20
micahgspO: have you tried regenerating the xorg.conf with aticonfig?19:20
spOright after i install fglrx , i do aticonfig -initial19:23
WeatherGodspO, another user noted that with fiddling around with compiz settings, you can improve performance of the display19:24
WeatherGodthe trouble seems to be with the proprietary driver package, which there is little we can do about except complain to ATI, I think19:24
spOthe driver doesn't work on my 3200 hd card... it is sugeested that it won't work with 3000-3999 series card19:24
spOok19:24
spOi have no problems with jaunty19:24
WeatherGodwell, the new kernel included some changes with display (called modesetting)19:25
WeatherGodand proprietary drivers have not caught up19:25
micahgspO: are you using the drivers from ATI directly or the packages in karmic?19:25
spOyes19:26
spOwhat is modesetting?19:26
WeatherGodspO, you are asking the wrong person... it has something to do with the new Direct Rendering Mode19:27
spOand that is ati or xwindows?19:28
spOoh19:28
spOokay19:28
WeatherGodspO, what is the answer to micahg's question?19:29
spOyes, they are directly from them19:29
spOthey are dated the 17th of this month19:30
WeatherGodmicahg: ---^19:31
spOoh19:31
spOhe asked two questions19:31
spOyes i tried that19:31
micahgspO: what about the version from karmic, I know there were some tweaks to work with the new kernel19:31
spOi used aticonfig -initual19:31
spO amdpcsdb.default19:32
spOis missing19:32
spOit is what is stated19:32
spOmicahg, a custom kernel?19:33
spOwouldn't a custom kernel not work with close sourced drivers?19:33
micahgno, idk if there are customizations to the fglrx-installer package in karmic19:33
micahgspO: have you talked to #ubuntu-x yet?19:34
spOyep19:34
spOi asked them at the same time as here19:34
spOthey said :   nothing19:34
micahgspO: you have to be patient in that channel19:35
spOglad, i am in here too19:35
WeatherGodbug 490346 probably should be a wishlist item19:44
ubot4Launchpad bug 490346 in kdegraphics "gwenview should be associated with pnm images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49034619:44
micahgWeatherGod: done19:48
WeatherGodthanks19:48
WeatherGodI am just trying to get as many as I can find from the backlog from vacation...19:49
WeatherGodfun stuff19:49
micahgbacklog?19:49
hggdhmicahg: what do you mean with problems with apport instructions?19:49
WeatherGodwell, my RSS reader19:49
micahghggdh: enable for single use19:50
micahgI see the instructions were removed from the wiki19:50
hggdhoh19:51
hggdhI had not noticed it19:52
micahgare we no longer encouraging people to submit one time apport crashes?19:52
hggdhI *think* there was some discussions on UDS regarding apport on stable, but right now I do not remember how they went19:52
hggdhmicahg: what is the url?19:53
micahghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport19:53
hggdhlast revision19:55
micahgso, I've been telling people to use the service command to start apport which has been failing19:56
hggdhyes, it seems it has been discontinued19:57
hggdhwhy were we not informed?19:57
micahgok, how to we get people to report crashes?19:57
micahghggdh: idk :)19:57
hggdhper the change, it seems now you *have* to enable it permanently19:57
hggdhwhich really sounds -- to me, at least -- as an immense overkill19:58
WeatherGodwaitaminute.... the apport service has been set to off by default?19:58
hggdhWeatherGod: always on stable releases19:58
WeatherGodok19:59
WeatherGodnever noticed19:59
micahghggdh: should we ask brian?20:00
WeatherGodjust noticed this one user filing lots of similar bugs related to the gdb debugger20:16
WeatherGodseems like they are getting ignored20:16
WeatherGoddon't know who is at fault here20:17
micahghggdh: ok, apport single instance is broke in karmic and fixed in lucid20:17
micahghggdh: I'm going to add it to the meeting agenda for next week20:17
hggdhmicahg: good idea; we might also see if we can backport it20:18
hggdhbrb20:18
micahghggdh: I can try to make an SRU20:19
WeatherGodok, and this bug is weird... bug 49015620:20
ubot4Launchpad bug 490156 in grub2 "grub install did not work on my desktop with ubuntu 9.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49015620:20
WeatherGodthe way I read it, it seems like the user expected it to open up a gui20:21
WeatherGodwhich makes me wonder if, somehow, a icon got installed or something20:21
WeatherGodnm, looks like grub-install didn't work in the update20:22
hggdhmicahg: cool. when you have the debdiff, send it to me, and I will test20:27
WeatherGodI need a second opinion regarding the gdb bugs filed by this user20:39
WeatherGodtake a look at what dima-gmail user filed20:40
WeatherGodif you search dima's bugs for the string "gdb", you will see a series of similar bugs, usually associated with freezes20:41
WeatherGodmakes me wonder if something else is wrong20:41
jjardonhello, There is https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk, should  https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgtk should be removed?21:29
duncan-nzI didn't find a dup... is there a known bug when installing pidgin on 9.10 that empathy loses all accounts and settings?22:02
duncan-nzI've been using empathy up to now and just installed pidgin.22:02
WeatherGodhuh, empathy is supposed to replace pidgin22:03
WeatherGoddid the account information show up in pidgin?22:04
duncan-nzyes, pidgin has taken everything and runs fine, empathy is now prompting me to import settings from pidgin!!??22:04
micahgWeatherGod: it only replaces as default, pidgin is still in archive22:04
WeatherGodso, import the settings22:05
WeatherGodthat is odd that the pidgin install would mess around with the empathy settings though22:06
WeatherGodmicahg, is pidgin set to be depracated?22:06
micahgWeatherGod: no22:06
WeatherGodso, they just changed the default messenger?22:06
micahgWeatherGod: yes22:06
micahgWeatherGod: for gnome22:07
WeatherGodbut pidgin is still being actively developed?22:07
micahgWeatherGod: yes22:07
WeatherGodok, somewhere, there is a punchline....22:08
micahgWeatherGod: no22:08
WeatherGodnote, I haven't tried empathy yet, so I don't know which is better22:09
duncan-nzWeatherGod, empathy has a more flexible underlying architecture which already allows webcam and mic, supposedly also Voip soon.22:09
WeatherGodah, that is nice22:09
duncan-nz... it's just is having trouble connecting to MSN for me so I thought I'd try pidgin again...22:09
duncan-nzbut about this bug... so I should go ahead and file it then?22:10
WeatherGodI think so, it seems like it is a packaging bug22:10
WeatherGodat least, that's my guess22:10
duncan-nzdone https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/49054622:16
ubot4Launchpad bug 490546 in empathy "Installing Pidgin wipes out my Empathy account settings" [Undecided,New]22:16
hggdhmicahg: do you have the bug # for the apport issue?22:21
micahgno, I don't even knwo if one is filed22:21
micahglet me check the changelog22:21
micahghggdh: a number is not listed22:22
hggdhah well. But it is in the apport for Lucid, right?22:22
micahghggdh: yes22:22
hggdhmicahg: thank you22:23

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