[01:10] <cdavis> When marking a bug as a duplicate is is proper to write anything to the submitter or just leave it as is?
[01:14] <yofel> cdavis: every bug action should be commented, for duplicates see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#A%20duplicate  (please replace NUMBER with the bug number)
[01:17] <cdavis> yofel: a whole wiki page of responses! thank you
[01:19] <yofel> cdavis: if you're new, you should find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase quite helpful
[01:20] <yofel> cdavis: and you might want to try the firefox scripts mentioned at the top of the responses page
[01:33] <cdavis> yofel: I am trying to get the firefox extension working now, thanks again
[01:34] <yofel> you're welcome
[02:39] <LimCore> atop kernel patches are not usable with nowdays kernels. It is unmaintained even by upstream it would seem. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/atoppatch/+bug/490180
[02:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490180 in atoppatch "Atop patches are out of date - do not match - can not apply to recent kernels" [Undecided,New]
[02:45] <LimCore> please remove packages   kernel-patch-atopcnt   kernel-patch-atopacct  as they do not work with recent kernels (not even upstream versions)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> mmm, they look like they should be removed
[02:49] <Hobbsee> would be nice for you to actually *use* the sponsorship process,though
[02:50] <LimCore> the what process
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Want to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[02:51] <Hobbsee> used for package removals, among other things
[02:51] <Hobbsee> else it's much more likely to sit, unfound, forever
[02:54] <FFEMTcJ> Can someone please wishlist bug 490165
[02:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490165 in debian "[needs-packaging] Go Ollie!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490165
[02:59] <FFEMTcJ> wishlist: bug 490151
[02:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490151 in fribidi "[needs-packaging] Upgrade libfribidi to 0.19.x" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490151
[03:02] <Hobbsee> right, 2 bugs closed.
[07:41] <thekorn> good morning
[11:33] <_du> Hi All. I've a problem described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xterm/+bug/355883 for xterm+bash. Could somebody suggest any w/a for this?
[11:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 355883 in mksh "Jaunty: CTRL-LEFT and CTRL-RIGHT do not work in zsh" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[15:18] <bddebian> Boo
[15:19] <thekorn> hello bddebian
[15:19] <bddebian> Hi thekorn
[15:20] <WeatherGod> hello
[15:21] <WeatherGod> I got an apt/aptitude question...
[15:22] <WeatherGod> is there a way to search your installed packages to determine which ones came from a certain repo?
[15:29] <jpds> WeatherGod: apt-cache policy <packagename>
[15:30] <WeatherGod> jpds: well, I want to find the packages that are for a particular repo, not the other way around
[15:31] <WeatherGod> I have a bug report where it looks like one of the repos might have updated some of the user's packages
[15:32] <jpds> WeatherGod: Do you know the repo and want to find out which packages are in it?
[15:33] <WeatherGod> I know the repo, and want to find out which installed packages are from there
[15:33] <jpds> Hmm.
[15:41] <mrand> WeatherGod: synaptic, down at the bottom you can click origin.
[15:42] <WeatherGod> ah, right
[15:42] <mrand> Then click the first column and it will collect up which ones were installed from that repo
[15:42] <mrand> Not ideal.
[15:42] <WeatherGod> but it gets the job done
[15:43] <mrand> Almost certainly a text way to do it... just haven't researched.
[15:46] <WeatherGod> ok, looks like the search terms in aptitude are ?installed ?archive(NAME)
[15:47] <WeatherGod> or ~i ~Aname
[15:48] <WeatherGod> useful page: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide
[15:49] <WeatherGod> or maybe I should use ~Oorigin
[16:13] <MTecknology> How do I make reporting a bug in Ubuntu not forward to the wiki?
[16:14] <WeatherGod> ?
[16:14] <MTecknology> WeatherGod: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[16:14] <MTecknology> I just found it..
[16:15] <jpds> MTecknology: ?no-redirect
[16:15] <MTecknology> yup - thanks :)
[16:15] <MTecknology> I hate that it does that. Be nice if there was a team we could join to prevent that
[16:16] <WeatherGod> huh, never noticed that...
[16:16] <WeatherGod> I always go directly to the package and file the bug through that
[16:16] <jpds> bug #434115.
[16:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 434115 in malone "ubuntu/series/+source/package/+filebug?no-redirect redirects any way" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434115
[16:17] <jpds> Err, wrong bug.
[16:17] <MTecknology> I suppose there's the timeout issue now too....
[16:18] <jpds> Possibly bug #432088.
[16:18] <MTecknology> actually... why are my keys not detected correctly.. this is likely the issue.
[16:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 432088 in malone "Disable +filebug redirection for ~ubuntu-bugcontrol" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432088
[16:19] <MTecknology> It doesn't seem my keyboard is being correctly detected.. standard keys work fine
[16:19] <MTecknology> function keys and right alt don't though
[16:20] <MTecknology> Any suggestions?
[16:20] <WeatherGod> that is odd...
[16:20] <WeatherGod> what is your keyboard layout set as?
[16:21] <MTecknology> where do I see that now?
[16:21] <jpds> MTecknology: System → Preferences → Keyboard.
[16:21] <MTecknology> jpds: umm.. what tool is that?
[16:21] <MTecknology> I don't have gnome or kde installed
[16:22] <WeatherGod> oh... what are you using?
[16:22] <MTecknology> openbox
[16:22] <WeatherGod> o..k... never used that
[16:23] <WeatherGod> is that text-based or graphical?
[16:23] <MTecknology> gui
[16:23] <MTecknology> but very minimal
[16:23] <WeatherGod> ok, is there a section for administration or preferences?
[16:23] <WeatherGod> or is it *very* minimal?
[16:23] <MTecknology> this is a slightly modified version of the basic setup -> http://batland.de/files/11625694744--openbox_html_m62c39c45.png
[16:24] <MTecknology> bascially, they added a background
[16:24] <MTecknology> this is closer to what I use -> http://lewk.org/img/securityspin.png
[16:24] <WeatherGod> oh, *that* thing!
[16:24] <WeatherGod> I always hated that mode when gnome fails
[16:24] <MTecknology> that mode?
[16:24] <MTecknology> you mean the X window manager?
[16:25] <MTecknology> that's not openbox
[16:25] <MTecknology> X is VERY minimal
[16:25] <WeatherGod> that's an understatement
[16:25] <WeatherGod> ok, looking at the openbox wiki page
[16:26] <MTecknology> nah.. it's functional and doesn't force you to use frambuffer or anything; it works when you need it
[16:26] <MTecknology> could you please do the right click on your menu and find the command that the keyboard preferences launches?
[16:27] <WeatherGod> np, give me a second
[16:27] <MTecknology> It's not an openbox thing; unless there's some new app I need to run when I log in to make things work
[16:27] <MTecknology> This is what my system looks like after I start using it a little. http://imagebin.ca/img/2aRTMaEJ.png
[16:28] <WeatherGod> well, what I have is gnome-keyboard-properties
[16:28] <MTecknology> It's not cluttered; pretty, the menu is nicely organized
[16:28] <MTecknology> !search gnome-keyboard-properties
[16:28] <ubot4> None found
[16:28] <MTecknology> :(
[16:28] <MTecknology> !info gnome-keyboard-properties
[16:28] <ubot4> MTecknology: Package gnome-keyboard-properties does not exist in karmic
[16:30] <WeatherGod> it is a program on my fedora and ubuntu systems
[16:30] <WeatherGod> probably not a package itself, though
[16:30] <MTecknology> ya, not sure what it comes in - I'm excptecting massive deps
[16:30] <WeatherGod> on fedora, there is system-config-keyboard
[16:31] <MTecknology> not here
[16:31] <MTecknology> I wonder if it's gnome-control-center
[16:32] <WeatherGod> brb
[16:32] <MTecknology> 207MB in deps
[16:33] <MTecknology> holy crap; it's even pulling nautilus
[16:34] <MTecknology> and there it is
[16:35] <MTecknology> Keyboard model: unknown
[16:35] <MTecknology> How can I figure out what I need to use?
[16:36] <MTecknology> It's a laptop keyboard
[16:36] <ogra> MTecknology, did you try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ?
[16:37] <ogra> X should use whatever that command configures in /etc/default/console-setup
[16:38] <MTecknology> I need to reboot for that, huh?
[16:38] <MTecknology> I'll brb
[16:38] <ogra> at least for such minimal desktops like openbox where you dont have any additional kbd setup
[16:38] <ogra> well, you definately need to restart X
[16:51] <MTecknology> I HATE the network in this univerisyt
[16:52] <hggdh> WeatherGod: you can 'apt-file search gnome-keyboard-properties', for example, and find that it belongs to gnome-control-center
[16:52] <MTecknology> ogra: functions keys still don't work and the working Alt key switched ot the other side :P
[16:53] <hggdh> WeatherGod: save thing would happen with 'dpkg -S gnome-keyboard-properties', as along as the package owning the file is installed
[16:53] <hggdh> s/save/same/
[16:54] <MTecknology> ogra: I tried Generic 105-key (Intl) PC
[16:54] <MTecknology> that was default too
[16:56] <MTecknology> doesn't look like lspci wants to tell me anything useful :(
[16:58] <MTecknology> I could try evdev ??
[17:00] <MTecknology> nope
[17:00] <MTecknology> I figured out why Alt keys weren't working
[17:00] <MTecknology> Still no function keys
[17:01] <MTecknology> could try kernel keymap - but I doubt that will help
[17:04] <MTecknology> this sucks
[17:06] <MTecknology> really, by big issue is not having screen brightness control... I'd rather not open yet another bug to figure this out either
[17:08] <MTecknology> I know it's a keybaord issue because unpligging the power changes the brightness
[17:12] <MTecknology> worked perfect in 9.04 :D
[17:12] <MTecknology> D:*
[17:15] <MTecknology> are you freakin' serious....
[17:15] <MTecknology> magic working situation
[17:16] <MTecknology> time to reboot and test
[17:18] <MTecknology> was working until I restarted - didn't change anything though
[17:20] <MTecknology> this is seriously screwec up... the mute button is registering input in xev; but brightness up/down don't
[17:21] <MTecknology> only 4 of my 9 Fn keys work right
[17:40] <WeatherGod> MTecknology: what laptop are you using?
[17:40] <MTecknology> WeatherGod: Sony Vaio VGN-FZ240E
[17:41] <WeatherGod> so, is it just the special keys now?
[17:41] <MTecknology> yup
[17:41] <WeatherGod> is it that they aren't assigned, or is the signal not even coming in?
[17:42] <WeatherGod> I am not sure, but I think there has to be a database somewhere that contains the list of special keys for different laptops
[17:42] <MTecknology> xev doesn't register the event at all
[17:42] <WeatherGod> well, keyboards
[17:43] <WeatherGod> heh
[17:43] <WeatherGod> so, probably not a hotkeys issue
[17:43] <MTecknology> idk... I don't want to open a bug :'(
[17:44] <MTecknology> I'm way over tired and I just want it to work :'( ...
[17:44]  * MTecknology realizes he's nearly pouting now
[17:45] <MTecknology> There's another bug I want to open - but I feel like avoiding that for now
[17:46] <hggdh> I dimly remember of something relating to the kernel about this special keys thingy... MTecknology, have you searched the kernel ML?
[17:47] <MTecknology> kernel ML?
[17:47] <hggdh> mailing list
[17:47] <MTecknology> nope
[17:47] <MTecknology> I'll do that after I've had a nap - I don't have that patience right now
[17:47] <hggdh> well, when one is still stuck, nothing like a (potentially fruitless) new search
[17:47] <MTecknology> I do remember having this issue in the past too...
[17:48] <MTecknology> there was a big bug report but it was mostly abotu the backlight controls
[17:49] <MTecknology> alrighty; class is over - next class means only a little internet. I'll be back in a minute
[17:49] <WeatherGod> ok
[17:57] <WeatherGod> does anybody have a clue about bug 490307
[17:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490307 in gnome-system-monitor "Pb affichage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490307
[17:57] <WeatherGod> it doesn't seem to say anything useful
[17:58] <WeatherGod> "Bugs affichage"
[17:58] <WeatherGod> maybe I am missing something here?
[17:58] <pedro_> WeatherGod, feel free to close it
[17:58] <pedro_> WeatherGod, the reporter is not registered on launchpad anymore
[17:58] <WeatherGod> pedro_: thanks, setting to invalid
[17:59] <WeatherGod> ah
[17:59] <pedro_> you're welcome
[18:00] <MTecknology> hggdh: if you have any ideas; I'm back for a little bit
[18:01] <MTecknology> aside from the afore mentioned; search mailing list
[18:20] <WeatherGod> can someone set bug 490294 to "wishlist"
[18:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490294 in totem "ASS not fully supported by Totem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490294
[18:29] <pedro_> WeatherGod, that's a duplicate of bug 159718
[18:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 159718 in gstreamer0.10 "Not support for subtitles SSA/ASS (Sub Station Alpha)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159718
[18:29] <pedro_> WeatherGod, could you mark it as such?
[18:29] <WeatherGod> no, it isn't
[18:30] <WeatherGod> this report says that it can read the subtitles, and even display them
[18:30] <WeatherGod> but the rendering isn't stylized
[18:30] <WeatherGod> at, least, that's my understanding
[18:31] <pedro_> WeatherGod, somebody having the issue should send it upstream then
[18:32] <WeatherGod> ok
[18:36] <pedro_> WeatherGod, look at bug 395866
[18:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 395866 in gst-plugins-base0.10 "Totem cannot use the new assrender plugin to display ASS subtitles" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395866
[18:36] <WeatherGod> and, that is still different
[18:36] <WeatherGod> that was a plugin problem
[18:37] <pedro_> Until this is implemented, ASS subtitles, will continue to be rendered in a rather ugly fashion.
[18:37] <pedro_> how that's different from the other one?
[18:38] <WeatherGod> pedro_, sorry, you are right... I did not see that in the description
[18:38] <pedro_> WeatherGod, no worries, could you mark the previous one as dup of that one?
[18:38] <pedro_> WeatherGod, thanks for triaging!
[18:39] <WeatherGod> no prob
[18:39] <WeatherGod> pedro_, curious, why did it get marked as invalid
[18:41] <pedro_> WeatherGod, the totem task you mean on the latest bug? that's because isn't a totem issue rather a gstreamer one
[18:41] <WeatherGod> ah, ok
[18:43] <WeatherGod> pedro_, thanks for your help
[18:43] <pedro_> you're welcome
[18:44] <WeatherGod> bug 490270 looks like a wishlist item
[18:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490270 in command-not-found "Uncooperative with laptop-mode-tools" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490270
[18:49] <hggdh> WeatherGod: I *sort* of agree with you -- I am just unsure this is a wishlist or just an Invalid one...
[18:50] <hggdh> but I will mark as wish
[18:51] <WeatherGod> yeah, I just figure it might be a possible optimization
[18:51] <WeatherGod> don't know exactly how it would be done, but anywho...
[18:51] <WeatherGod> plus, who will care when everyone goes to solid state?
[18:52] <hggdh> this is why I went with you. I personally doubt it makes sense by itself, but the concept is interesting
[18:54] <hggdh> anyway, solid state is still some time away ;-)
[18:54] <WeatherGod> hggdh, any thoughts on where this one should be set to: bug 490272
[18:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490272 in ubuntu "Monitor Brightness goes up and down by itself" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490272
[18:54] <WeatherGod> I love my solid state in my netbook
[18:54] <WeatherGod> I am rather rough on my appliances
[18:55] <WeatherGod> don't know if it is hotkeys or some other sort of kde thing
[18:56] <hggdh> this is a good bug... perhaps something on udev?
[18:56] <WeatherGod> don't know... and I am not exactly sure how to collect additional info
[18:57] <WeatherGod> doesn't look like the problem is impacting performance, so I guess it is possible to still collect key events
[18:57] <hggdh> WeatherGod: start by considering it related to udev or linux itself
[18:58] <WeatherGod> I don't think it is udev... considering that the device is loaded, obviously
[18:58] <WeatherGod> looks to be more a control issue
[18:58] <hggdh> it *might* be related to X
[18:58] <WeatherGod> does X control brightness?
[18:59] <WeatherGod> guess I could ask the X people
[18:59] <hggdh> but I am not sure anyways. But we have no idea of the what is exactly the hardware is
[18:59] <hggdh> and either X or linux would collect this data
[18:59] <WeatherGod> true, I'll ask the OR what is the hardware
[19:00] <WeatherGod> and I'll quickly pop over to the X forum to rule them out
[19:10] <WeatherGod> hggdh, X does control the brightness level, but it does not change it
[19:10] <WeatherGod> it merely exports /sys/class/backlight
[19:12] <hggdh> so we may go back to Linux
[19:12] <WeatherGod> yeah
[19:13] <hggdh> perhaps related to ACPI
[19:13] <spO> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/440233    <---   this bug is not assigned.... do you think it would ever be fixed within a few months or shoudl i be looking at a new motherboard+ integrated video card?
[19:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 440233 in fglrx-installer "fglrx fails at startup because of missing amdpcsdb.default + removal leaves bad settings in Xorg.conf" [High,Confirmed]
[19:13] <WeatherGod> that is possible
[19:15] <WeatherGod> sp0, when you removed your xorg.conf file, does everything work?
[19:16] <spO> yes
[19:16] <spO> but it also disables fglrx driver
[19:16] <WeatherGod> how do you know?
[19:17] <spO> because i check ?
[19:17] <spO> oh wait, no i use iniuition
[19:17] <spO> i go where it says i can enable or disable a driver... and i notice it changes to not enabled again
[19:18] <micahg1> hggdh: I keep having people with trouble using the new apport instructions on karmic
[19:18] <WeatherGod> is there any problems with not using the fglrx driver?
[19:20] <WeatherGod> sp0, sorry if it is explained in the bug report, I am scanning through it right now
[19:20] <micahg> spO: have you tried regenerating the xorg.conf with aticonfig?
[19:23] <spO> right after i install fglrx , i do aticonfig -initial
[19:24] <WeatherGod> spO, another user noted that with fiddling around with compiz settings, you can improve performance of the display
[19:24] <WeatherGod> the trouble seems to be with the proprietary driver package, which there is little we can do about except complain to ATI, I think
[19:24] <spO> the driver doesn't work on my 3200 hd card... it is sugeested that it won't work with 3000-3999 series card
[19:24] <spO> ok
[19:24] <spO> i have no problems with jaunty
[19:25] <WeatherGod> well, the new kernel included some changes with display (called modesetting)
[19:25] <WeatherGod> and proprietary drivers have not caught up
[19:25] <micahg> spO: are you using the drivers from ATI directly or the packages in karmic?
[19:26] <spO> yes
[19:26] <spO> what is modesetting?
[19:27] <WeatherGod> spO, you are asking the wrong person... it has something to do with the new Direct Rendering Mode
[19:28] <spO> and that is ati or xwindows?
[19:28] <spO> oh
[19:28] <spO> okay
[19:29] <WeatherGod> spO, what is the answer to micahg's question?
[19:29] <spO> yes, they are directly from them
[19:30] <spO> they are dated the 17th of this month
[19:31] <WeatherGod> micahg: ---^
[19:31] <spO> oh
[19:31] <spO> he asked two questions
[19:31] <spO> yes i tried that
[19:31] <micahg> spO: what about the version from karmic, I know there were some tweaks to work with the new kernel
[19:31] <spO> i used aticonfig -initual
[19:32] <spO>  amdpcsdb.default
[19:32] <spO> is missing
[19:32] <spO> it is what is stated
[19:33] <spO> micahg, a custom kernel?
[19:33] <spO> wouldn't a custom kernel not work with close sourced drivers?
[19:33] <micahg> no, idk if there are customizations to the fglrx-installer package in karmic
[19:34] <micahg> spO: have you talked to #ubuntu-x yet?
[19:34] <spO> yep
[19:34] <spO> i asked them at the same time as here
[19:34] <spO> they said :   nothing
[19:35] <micahg> spO: you have to be patient in that channel
[19:35] <spO> glad, i am in here too
[19:44] <WeatherGod> bug 490346 probably should be a wishlist item
[19:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490346 in kdegraphics "gwenview should be associated with pnm images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490346
[19:48] <micahg> WeatherGod: done
[19:48] <WeatherGod> thanks
[19:49] <WeatherGod> I am just trying to get as many as I can find from the backlog from vacation...
[19:49] <WeatherGod> fun stuff
[19:49] <micahg> backlog?
[19:49] <hggdh> micahg: what do you mean with problems with apport instructions?
[19:49] <WeatherGod> well, my RSS reader
[19:50] <micahg> hggdh: enable for single use
[19:50] <micahg> I see the instructions were removed from the wiki
[19:51] <hggdh> oh
[19:52] <hggdh> I had not noticed it
[19:52] <micahg> are we no longer encouraging people to submit one time apport crashes?
[19:52] <hggdh> I *think* there was some discussions on UDS regarding apport on stable, but right now I do not remember how they went
[19:53] <hggdh> micahg: what is the url?
[19:53] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[19:55] <hggdh> last revision
[19:56] <micahg> so, I've been telling people to use the service command to start apport which has been failing
[19:57] <hggdh> yes, it seems it has been discontinued
[19:57] <hggdh> why were we not informed?
[19:57] <micahg> ok, how to we get people to report crashes?
[19:57] <micahg> hggdh: idk :)
[19:57] <hggdh> per the change, it seems now you *have* to enable it permanently
[19:58] <hggdh> which really sounds -- to me, at least -- as an immense overkill
[19:58] <WeatherGod> waitaminute.... the apport service has been set to off by default?
[19:58] <hggdh> WeatherGod: always on stable releases
[19:59] <WeatherGod> ok
[19:59] <WeatherGod> never noticed
[20:00] <micahg> hggdh: should we ask brian?
[20:16] <WeatherGod> just noticed this one user filing lots of similar bugs related to the gdb debugger
[20:16] <WeatherGod> seems like they are getting ignored
[20:17] <WeatherGod> don't know who is at fault here
[20:17] <micahg> hggdh: ok, apport single instance is broke in karmic and fixed in lucid
[20:17] <micahg> hggdh: I'm going to add it to the meeting agenda for next week
[20:18] <hggdh> micahg: good idea; we might also see if we can backport it
[20:18] <hggdh> brb
[20:19] <micahg> hggdh: I can try to make an SRU
[20:20] <WeatherGod> ok, and this bug is weird... bug 490156
[20:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490156 in grub2 "grub install did not work on my desktop with ubuntu 9.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490156
[20:21] <WeatherGod> the way I read it, it seems like the user expected it to open up a gui
[20:21] <WeatherGod> which makes me wonder if, somehow, a icon got installed or something
[20:22] <WeatherGod> nm, looks like grub-install didn't work in the update
[20:27] <hggdh> micahg: cool. when you have the debdiff, send it to me, and I will test
[20:39] <WeatherGod> I need a second opinion regarding the gdb bugs filed by this user
[20:40] <WeatherGod> take a look at what dima-gmail user filed
[20:41] <WeatherGod> if you search dima's bugs for the string "gdb", you will see a series of similar bugs, usually associated with freezes
[20:41] <WeatherGod> makes me wonder if something else is wrong
[21:29] <jjardon> hello, There is https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk, should  https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgtk should be removed?
[22:02] <duncan-nz> I didn't find a dup... is there a known bug when installing pidgin on 9.10 that empathy loses all accounts and settings?
[22:02] <duncan-nz> I've been using empathy up to now and just installed pidgin.
[22:03] <WeatherGod> huh, empathy is supposed to replace pidgin
[22:04] <WeatherGod> did the account information show up in pidgin?
[22:04] <duncan-nz> yes, pidgin has taken everything and runs fine, empathy is now prompting me to import settings from pidgin!!??
[22:04] <micahg> WeatherGod: it only replaces as default, pidgin is still in archive
[22:05] <WeatherGod> so, import the settings
[22:06] <WeatherGod> that is odd that the pidgin install would mess around with the empathy settings though
[22:06] <WeatherGod> micahg, is pidgin set to be depracated?
[22:06] <micahg> WeatherGod: no
[22:06] <WeatherGod> so, they just changed the default messenger?
[22:06] <micahg> WeatherGod: yes
[22:07] <micahg> WeatherGod: for gnome
[22:07] <WeatherGod> but pidgin is still being actively developed?
[22:07] <micahg> WeatherGod: yes
[22:08] <WeatherGod> ok, somewhere, there is a punchline....
[22:08] <micahg> WeatherGod: no
[22:09] <WeatherGod> note, I haven't tried empathy yet, so I don't know which is better
[22:09] <duncan-nz> WeatherGod, empathy has a more flexible underlying architecture which already allows webcam and mic, supposedly also Voip soon.
[22:09] <WeatherGod> ah, that is nice
[22:09] <duncan-nz> ... it's just is having trouble connecting to MSN for me so I thought I'd try pidgin again...
[22:10] <duncan-nz> but about this bug... so I should go ahead and file it then?
[22:10] <WeatherGod> I think so, it seems like it is a packaging bug
[22:10] <WeatherGod> at least, that's my guess
[22:16] <duncan-nz> done https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/490546
[22:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490546 in empathy "Installing Pidgin wipes out my Empathy account settings" [Undecided,New]
[22:21] <hggdh> micahg: do you have the bug # for the apport issue?
[22:21] <micahg> no, I don't even knwo if one is filed
[22:21] <micahg> let me check the changelog
[22:22] <micahg> hggdh: a number is not listed
[22:22] <hggdh> ah well. But it is in the apport for Lucid, right?
[22:22] <micahg> hggdh: yes
[22:23] <hggdh> micahg: thank you