[01:10] When marking a bug as a duplicate is is proper to write anything to the submitter or just leave it as is? [01:14] cdavis: every bug action should be commented, for duplicates see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#A%20duplicate (please replace NUMBER with the bug number) [01:17] yofel: a whole wiki page of responses! thank you [01:19] cdavis: if you're new, you should find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase quite helpful [01:20] cdavis: and you might want to try the firefox scripts mentioned at the top of the responses page [01:33] yofel: I am trying to get the firefox extension working now, thanks again [01:34] you're welcome [02:39] atop kernel patches are not usable with nowdays kernels. It is unmaintained even by upstream it would seem. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/atoppatch/+bug/490180 [02:39] Launchpad bug 490180 in atoppatch "Atop patches are out of date - do not match - can not apply to recent kernels" [Undecided,New] [02:45] please remove packages kernel-patch-atopcnt kernel-patch-atopacct as they do not work with recent kernels (not even upstream versions) [02:47] mmm, they look like they should be removed [02:49] would be nice for you to actually *use* the sponsorship process,though [02:50] the what process [02:50] Want to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing [02:51] used for package removals, among other things [02:51] else it's much more likely to sit, unfound, forever [02:54] Can someone please wishlist bug 490165 [02:54] Launchpad bug 490165 in debian "[needs-packaging] Go Ollie!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490165 [02:59] wishlist: bug 490151 [02:59] Launchpad bug 490151 in fribidi "[needs-packaging] Upgrade libfribidi to 0.19.x" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490151 [03:02] right, 2 bugs closed. === astechgeek is now known as the_r0cker [07:41] good morning === yofel_ is now known as yofel === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [11:33] <_du> Hi All. I've a problem described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xterm/+bug/355883 for xterm+bash. Could somebody suggest any w/a for this? [11:33] Launchpad bug 355883 in mksh "Jaunty: CTRL-LEFT and CTRL-RIGHT do not work in zsh" [Undecided,Fix committed] === seb128_ is now known as seb128 === seb128 is now known as seb128_ === seb128_ is now known as seb128 === ogra_ is now known as ogra === martin456 is now known as m4rtin [15:18] Boo [15:19] hello bddebian [15:19] Hi thekorn [15:20] hello [15:21] I got an apt/aptitude question... [15:22] is there a way to search your installed packages to determine which ones came from a certain repo? [15:29] WeatherGod: apt-cache policy [15:30] jpds: well, I want to find the packages that are for a particular repo, not the other way around [15:31] I have a bug report where it looks like one of the repos might have updated some of the user's packages [15:32] WeatherGod: Do you know the repo and want to find out which packages are in it? [15:33] I know the repo, and want to find out which installed packages are from there [15:33] Hmm. [15:41] WeatherGod: synaptic, down at the bottom you can click origin. [15:42] ah, right [15:42] Then click the first column and it will collect up which ones were installed from that repo [15:42] Not ideal. [15:42] but it gets the job done [15:43] Almost certainly a text way to do it... just haven't researched. [15:46] ok, looks like the search terms in aptitude are ?installed ?archive(NAME) [15:47] or ~i ~Aname [15:48] useful page: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide [15:49] or maybe I should use ~Oorigin [16:13] How do I make reporting a bug in Ubuntu not forward to the wiki? [16:14] ? [16:14] WeatherGod: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug [16:14] I just found it.. [16:15] MTecknology: ?no-redirect [16:15] yup - thanks :) [16:15] I hate that it does that. Be nice if there was a team we could join to prevent that [16:16] huh, never noticed that... [16:16] I always go directly to the package and file the bug through that [16:16] bug #434115. [16:16] Launchpad bug 434115 in malone "ubuntu/series/+source/package/+filebug?no-redirect redirects any way" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434115 [16:17] Err, wrong bug. [16:17] I suppose there's the timeout issue now too.... [16:18] Possibly bug #432088. [16:18] actually... why are my keys not detected correctly.. this is likely the issue. [16:18] Launchpad bug 432088 in malone "Disable +filebug redirection for ~ubuntu-bugcontrol" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432088 [16:19] It doesn't seem my keyboard is being correctly detected.. standard keys work fine [16:19] function keys and right alt don't though [16:20] Any suggestions? [16:20] that is odd... [16:20] what is your keyboard layout set as? [16:21] where do I see that now? [16:21] MTecknology: System → Preferences → Keyboard. [16:21] jpds: umm.. what tool is that? [16:21] I don't have gnome or kde installed [16:22] oh... what are you using? [16:22] openbox [16:22] o..k... never used that [16:23] is that text-based or graphical? [16:23] gui [16:23] but very minimal [16:23] ok, is there a section for administration or preferences? [16:23] or is it *very* minimal? [16:23] this is a slightly modified version of the basic setup -> http://batland.de/files/11625694744--openbox_html_m62c39c45.png [16:24] bascially, they added a background [16:24] this is closer to what I use -> http://lewk.org/img/securityspin.png [16:24] oh, *that* thing! [16:24] I always hated that mode when gnome fails [16:24] that mode? [16:24] you mean the X window manager? [16:25] that's not openbox [16:25] X is VERY minimal [16:25] that's an understatement [16:25] ok, looking at the openbox wiki page [16:26] nah.. it's functional and doesn't force you to use frambuffer or anything; it works when you need it [16:26] could you please do the right click on your menu and find the command that the keyboard preferences launches? [16:27] np, give me a second [16:27] It's not an openbox thing; unless there's some new app I need to run when I log in to make things work [16:27] This is what my system looks like after I start using it a little. http://imagebin.ca/img/2aRTMaEJ.png [16:28] well, what I have is gnome-keyboard-properties [16:28] It's not cluttered; pretty, the menu is nicely organized [16:28] !search gnome-keyboard-properties [16:28] None found [16:28] :( [16:28] !info gnome-keyboard-properties [16:28] MTecknology: Package gnome-keyboard-properties does not exist in karmic [16:30] it is a program on my fedora and ubuntu systems [16:30] probably not a package itself, though [16:30] ya, not sure what it comes in - I'm excptecting massive deps [16:30] on fedora, there is system-config-keyboard [16:31] not here [16:31] I wonder if it's gnome-control-center [16:32] brb [16:32] 207MB in deps [16:33] holy crap; it's even pulling nautilus [16:34] and there it is [16:35] Keyboard model: unknown [16:35] How can I figure out what I need to use? [16:36] It's a laptop keyboard [16:36] MTecknology, did you try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ? [16:37] X should use whatever that command configures in /etc/default/console-setup [16:38] I need to reboot for that, huh? [16:38] I'll brb [16:38] at least for such minimal desktops like openbox where you dont have any additional kbd setup [16:38] well, you definately need to restart X [16:51] I HATE the network in this univerisyt [16:52] WeatherGod: you can 'apt-file search gnome-keyboard-properties', for example, and find that it belongs to gnome-control-center [16:52] ogra: functions keys still don't work and the working Alt key switched ot the other side :P [16:53] WeatherGod: save thing would happen with 'dpkg -S gnome-keyboard-properties', as along as the package owning the file is installed [16:53] s/save/same/ [16:54] ogra: I tried Generic 105-key (Intl) PC [16:54] that was default too [16:56] doesn't look like lspci wants to tell me anything useful :( [16:58] I could try evdev ?? [17:00] nope [17:00] I figured out why Alt keys weren't working [17:00] Still no function keys [17:01] could try kernel keymap - but I doubt that will help [17:04] this sucks [17:06] really, by big issue is not having screen brightness control... I'd rather not open yet another bug to figure this out either [17:08] I know it's a keybaord issue because unpligging the power changes the brightness [17:12] worked perfect in 9.04 :D [17:12] D:* [17:15] are you freakin' serious.... [17:15] magic working situation [17:16] time to reboot and test [17:18] was working until I restarted - didn't change anything though [17:20] this is seriously screwec up... the mute button is registering input in xev; but brightness up/down don't [17:21] only 4 of my 9 Fn keys work right [17:40] MTecknology: what laptop are you using? [17:40] WeatherGod: Sony Vaio VGN-FZ240E [17:41] so, is it just the special keys now? [17:41] yup [17:41] is it that they aren't assigned, or is the signal not even coming in? [17:42] I am not sure, but I think there has to be a database somewhere that contains the list of special keys for different laptops [17:42] xev doesn't register the event at all [17:42] well, keyboards [17:43] heh [17:43] so, probably not a hotkeys issue [17:43] idk... I don't want to open a bug :'( [17:44] I'm way over tired and I just want it to work :'( ... [17:44] * MTecknology realizes he's nearly pouting now [17:45] There's another bug I want to open - but I feel like avoiding that for now [17:46] I dimly remember of something relating to the kernel about this special keys thingy... MTecknology, have you searched the kernel ML? [17:47] kernel ML? [17:47] mailing list [17:47] nope [17:47] I'll do that after I've had a nap - I don't have that patience right now [17:47] well, when one is still stuck, nothing like a (potentially fruitless) new search [17:47] I do remember having this issue in the past too... [17:48] there was a big bug report but it was mostly abotu the backlight controls [17:49] alrighty; class is over - next class means only a little internet. I'll be back in a minute [17:49] ok [17:57] does anybody have a clue about bug 490307 [17:57] Launchpad bug 490307 in gnome-system-monitor "Pb affichage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490307 [17:57] it doesn't seem to say anything useful [17:58] "Bugs affichage" [17:58] maybe I am missing something here? [17:58] WeatherGod, feel free to close it [17:58] WeatherGod, the reporter is not registered on launchpad anymore [17:58] pedro_: thanks, setting to invalid [17:59] ah [17:59] you're welcome [18:00] hggdh: if you have any ideas; I'm back for a little bit [18:01] aside from the afore mentioned; search mailing list === jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand [18:20] can someone set bug 490294 to "wishlist" [18:20] Launchpad bug 490294 in totem "ASS not fully supported by Totem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490294 [18:29] WeatherGod, that's a duplicate of bug 159718 [18:29] Launchpad bug 159718 in gstreamer0.10 "Not support for subtitles SSA/ASS (Sub Station Alpha)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159718 [18:29] WeatherGod, could you mark it as such? [18:29] no, it isn't [18:30] this report says that it can read the subtitles, and even display them [18:30] but the rendering isn't stylized [18:30] at, least, that's my understanding [18:31] WeatherGod, somebody having the issue should send it upstream then [18:32] ok [18:36] WeatherGod, look at bug 395866 [18:36] Launchpad bug 395866 in gst-plugins-base0.10 "Totem cannot use the new assrender plugin to display ASS subtitles" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395866 [18:36] and, that is still different [18:36] that was a plugin problem [18:37] Until this is implemented, ASS subtitles, will continue to be rendered in a rather ugly fashion. [18:37] how that's different from the other one? [18:38] pedro_, sorry, you are right... I did not see that in the description [18:38] WeatherGod, no worries, could you mark the previous one as dup of that one? [18:38] WeatherGod, thanks for triaging! [18:39] no prob [18:39] pedro_, curious, why did it get marked as invalid [18:41] WeatherGod, the totem task you mean on the latest bug? that's because isn't a totem issue rather a gstreamer one [18:41] ah, ok [18:43] pedro_, thanks for your help [18:43] you're welcome [18:44] bug 490270 looks like a wishlist item [18:44] Launchpad bug 490270 in command-not-found "Uncooperative with laptop-mode-tools" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490270 [18:49] WeatherGod: I *sort* of agree with you -- I am just unsure this is a wishlist or just an Invalid one... [18:50] but I will mark as wish [18:51] yeah, I just figure it might be a possible optimization [18:51] don't know exactly how it would be done, but anywho... [18:51] plus, who will care when everyone goes to solid state? [18:52] this is why I went with you. I personally doubt it makes sense by itself, but the concept is interesting [18:54] anyway, solid state is still some time away ;-) [18:54] hggdh, any thoughts on where this one should be set to: bug 490272 [18:54] Launchpad bug 490272 in ubuntu "Monitor Brightness goes up and down by itself" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490272 [18:54] I love my solid state in my netbook [18:54] I am rather rough on my appliances [18:55] don't know if it is hotkeys or some other sort of kde thing [18:56] this is a good bug... perhaps something on udev? [18:56] don't know... and I am not exactly sure how to collect additional info [18:57] doesn't look like the problem is impacting performance, so I guess it is possible to still collect key events [18:57] WeatherGod: start by considering it related to udev or linux itself [18:58] I don't think it is udev... considering that the device is loaded, obviously [18:58] looks to be more a control issue [18:58] it *might* be related to X [18:58] does X control brightness? [18:59] guess I could ask the X people [18:59] but I am not sure anyways. But we have no idea of the what is exactly the hardware is [18:59] and either X or linux would collect this data [18:59] true, I'll ask the OR what is the hardware [19:00] and I'll quickly pop over to the X forum to rule them out [19:10] hggdh, X does control the brightness level, but it does not change it [19:10] it merely exports /sys/class/backlight [19:12] so we may go back to Linux [19:12] yeah [19:13] perhaps related to ACPI [19:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/440233 <--- this bug is not assigned.... do you think it would ever be fixed within a few months or shoudl i be looking at a new motherboard+ integrated video card? [19:13] Launchpad bug 440233 in fglrx-installer "fglrx fails at startup because of missing amdpcsdb.default + removal leaves bad settings in Xorg.conf" [High,Confirmed] [19:13] that is possible [19:15] sp0, when you removed your xorg.conf file, does everything work? [19:16] yes [19:16] but it also disables fglrx driver [19:16] how do you know? [19:17] because i check ? [19:17] oh wait, no i use iniuition [19:17] i go where it says i can enable or disable a driver... and i notice it changes to not enabled again [19:18] hggdh: I keep having people with trouble using the new apport instructions on karmic [19:18] is there any problems with not using the fglrx driver? === micahg1 is now known as micahg [19:20] sp0, sorry if it is explained in the bug report, I am scanning through it right now [19:20] spO: have you tried regenerating the xorg.conf with aticonfig? [19:23] right after i install fglrx , i do aticonfig -initial [19:24] spO, another user noted that with fiddling around with compiz settings, you can improve performance of the display [19:24] the trouble seems to be with the proprietary driver package, which there is little we can do about except complain to ATI, I think [19:24] the driver doesn't work on my 3200 hd card... it is sugeested that it won't work with 3000-3999 series card [19:24] ok [19:24] i have no problems with jaunty [19:25] well, the new kernel included some changes with display (called modesetting) [19:25] and proprietary drivers have not caught up [19:25] spO: are you using the drivers from ATI directly or the packages in karmic? [19:26] yes [19:26] what is modesetting? [19:27] spO, you are asking the wrong person... it has something to do with the new Direct Rendering Mode [19:28] and that is ati or xwindows? [19:28] oh [19:28] okay [19:29] spO, what is the answer to micahg's question? [19:29] yes, they are directly from them [19:30] they are dated the 17th of this month [19:31] micahg: ---^ [19:31] oh [19:31] he asked two questions [19:31] yes i tried that [19:31] spO: what about the version from karmic, I know there were some tweaks to work with the new kernel [19:31] i used aticonfig -initual [19:32] amdpcsdb.default [19:32] is missing [19:32] it is what is stated [19:33] micahg, a custom kernel? [19:33] wouldn't a custom kernel not work with close sourced drivers? [19:33] no, idk if there are customizations to the fglrx-installer package in karmic [19:34] spO: have you talked to #ubuntu-x yet? [19:34] yep [19:34] i asked them at the same time as here [19:34] they said : nothing [19:35] spO: you have to be patient in that channel [19:35] glad, i am in here too [19:44] bug 490346 probably should be a wishlist item [19:44] Launchpad bug 490346 in kdegraphics "gwenview should be associated with pnm images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490346 [19:48] WeatherGod: done [19:48] thanks [19:49] I am just trying to get as many as I can find from the backlog from vacation... [19:49] fun stuff [19:49] backlog? [19:49] micahg: what do you mean with problems with apport instructions? [19:49] well, my RSS reader [19:50] hggdh: enable for single use [19:50] I see the instructions were removed from the wiki [19:51] oh [19:52] I had not noticed it [19:52] are we no longer encouraging people to submit one time apport crashes? [19:52] I *think* there was some discussions on UDS regarding apport on stable, but right now I do not remember how they went [19:53] micahg: what is the url? [19:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport [19:55] last revision [19:56] so, I've been telling people to use the service command to start apport which has been failing [19:57] yes, it seems it has been discontinued [19:57] why were we not informed? [19:57] ok, how to we get people to report crashes? [19:57] hggdh: idk :) [19:57] per the change, it seems now you *have* to enable it permanently [19:58] which really sounds -- to me, at least -- as an immense overkill [19:58] waitaminute.... the apport service has been set to off by default? [19:58] WeatherGod: always on stable releases [19:59] ok [19:59] never noticed [20:00] hggdh: should we ask brian? [20:16] just noticed this one user filing lots of similar bugs related to the gdb debugger [20:16] seems like they are getting ignored [20:17] don't know who is at fault here [20:17] hggdh: ok, apport single instance is broke in karmic and fixed in lucid [20:17] hggdh: I'm going to add it to the meeting agenda for next week [20:18] micahg: good idea; we might also see if we can backport it [20:18] brb [20:19] hggdh: I can try to make an SRU [20:20] ok, and this bug is weird... bug 490156 [20:20] Launchpad bug 490156 in grub2 "grub install did not work on my desktop with ubuntu 9.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490156 [20:21] the way I read it, it seems like the user expected it to open up a gui [20:21] which makes me wonder if, somehow, a icon got installed or something [20:22] nm, looks like grub-install didn't work in the update [20:27] micahg: cool. when you have the debdiff, send it to me, and I will test [20:39] I need a second opinion regarding the gdb bugs filed by this user [20:40] take a look at what dima-gmail user filed [20:41] if you search dima's bugs for the string "gdb", you will see a series of similar bugs, usually associated with freezes [20:41] makes me wonder if something else is wrong [21:29] hello, There is https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk, should https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgtk should be removed? [22:02] I didn't find a dup... is there a known bug when installing pidgin on 9.10 that empathy loses all accounts and settings? [22:02] I've been using empathy up to now and just installed pidgin. [22:03] huh, empathy is supposed to replace pidgin [22:04] did the account information show up in pidgin? [22:04] yes, pidgin has taken everything and runs fine, empathy is now prompting me to import settings from pidgin!!?? [22:04] WeatherGod: it only replaces as default, pidgin is still in archive [22:05] so, import the settings [22:06] that is odd that the pidgin install would mess around with the empathy settings though [22:06] micahg, is pidgin set to be depracated? [22:06] WeatherGod: no [22:06] so, they just changed the default messenger? [22:06] WeatherGod: yes [22:07] WeatherGod: for gnome [22:07] but pidgin is still being actively developed? [22:07] WeatherGod: yes [22:08] ok, somewhere, there is a punchline.... [22:08] WeatherGod: no [22:09] note, I haven't tried empathy yet, so I don't know which is better [22:09] WeatherGod, empathy has a more flexible underlying architecture which already allows webcam and mic, supposedly also Voip soon. [22:09] ah, that is nice [22:09] ... it's just is having trouble connecting to MSN for me so I thought I'd try pidgin again... [22:10] but about this bug... so I should go ahead and file it then? [22:10] I think so, it seems like it is a packaging bug [22:10] at least, that's my guess [22:16] done https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/490546 [22:16] Launchpad bug 490546 in empathy "Installing Pidgin wipes out my Empathy account settings" [Undecided,New] [22:21] micahg: do you have the bug # for the apport issue? [22:21] no, I don't even knwo if one is filed [22:21] let me check the changelog [22:22] hggdh: a number is not listed [22:22] ah well. But it is in the apport for Lucid, right? [22:22] hggdh: yes [22:23] micahg: thank you