[01:05] <micahg> fta: I seem to have trouble building sqlite3 for songbird
[13:03] <_Tsk_> Could any of you give the Thunderbird QA team insights on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528880 ?
[14:08] <asac> done
[14:09] <fta2> google maps is seriously broken with ff 3.7
[14:09] <fta2> works fine with 3.5
[14:10] <fta2> [reed], ^^
[14:10] <fta2> asac, ^^
[14:12] <asac> i am on 3.6 and 3.5 ... so cant confirm nor deny
[14:12] <fta2> create a path between 2 points, once you have the blue line, grab a point somewhere in it and move it to change the directions
[14:12] <asac> thats a use case i never even did ;)
[14:13] <fta2> it's very useful inside cities
[14:13] <fta2> if you want to avoid some roads
[14:14] <asac> i dont even see such a feature
[14:18] <fta2> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.7.ogv
[14:18] <fta2> the popup menu is annoying too
[14:18] <asac> ogra reported that chromium session restore does not work on killall  ... but works on instant poweroff or killlall -9 ... known?
[14:18] <asac> also doesnt work if you log out of X
[14:19]  * asac checks video
[14:19] <asac> ah
[14:19] <fta2> hmm, noone else complained about that, at least, not to me
[14:19] <asac> interestring
[14:20] <fta2> i have the popup issue only at work (64bit), not at home (32bit)
[14:20] <fta2> and the gmap issue on both
[14:21] <asac> great feature ;)
[14:21] <asac> nice
[14:21] <asac> walking ...
[14:21] <asac> ;)
[14:21] <asac> sorry for going off topic ;)
[14:21] <fta2> i asked a friend to test with 3.5, it's fine, and broken with 3.7 too
[14:21] <asac> but didnt know that google supports even walking through parks etc.
[14:22] <asac> yeah. let [reed] deal with that
[14:22] <asac> he is _the_ expert ;)
[14:22] <fta2> yep, i use it very often, for walking or riding
[14:27] <fta2> [reed], compare http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.7.ogv (broken) with http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.5.ogv (OK)
[14:27] <fta2> 3.5 doesn't have the popup issue btw
[14:51] <[reed]> ??
[14:51] <[reed]> expert at what?
[14:59] <fta2> damn ff3.7, it's crashing like hell now
[14:59] <fta2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/331752/
[14:59] <fta2> [reed], ^^
[15:00] <[reed]> do you have NoScript?
[15:01] <fta2> nope
[15:01] <[reed]> hmm
[15:01] <[reed]> I haven't crashed in a while
[15:01] <[reed]> been about two weeks or so
[15:01] <[reed]> since I last crashed
[15:01] <fta2> it happens when i click on the map link from the google homepage
[15:02] <[reed]> wfm
[15:02] <fta2> happens on a friends computer too
[15:02] <fta2> ok, moving to chromium
[15:02] <[reed]> hmm
[15:09] <fta2> 3 bugs in 1h, that's too much
[15:12] <[reed]> I'm not seeing this
[15:12] <[reed]> let me make sure I'm on latest nightly
[15:15] <fta2> the gmap bug is not new, i noticed it last week for sure
[15:15] <fta2> the crash seems new
[15:16] <fta2> the popup menu on gmap is really old, months old
[15:16] <[reed]> popup menu?
 [reed], compare http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.7.ogv (broken) with http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.5.ogv (OK)
[15:16] <[reed]> I guess I should watch your videos
[15:19] <[reed]> fta2: so, Google has been bad about user agent sniffing
[15:19] <[reed]> in the past
[15:19] <[reed]> what happens if you install user agent switcher or something like it and fake your user agent to be Firefox?
[15:19] <[reed]> on 3.7
[15:32] <jcastro> hi fta2
[15:32]  * jcastro also waves at [reed]
[15:32] <[reed]> jcastro: hiya :)
[15:49] <fta2> [reed], i've been using 3.7 since day 1, gmap was fine, it's a recent regression
[15:49] <fta2> jcastro, hey
[15:49] <[reed]> hmm
[15:49] <jcastro> fta2, I have a question
[15:49] <jcastro> fta2, you know how we have prism convinience packages? Like for facebook, etc.
[15:50] <jcastro> How easy is it to make ones for chromium?
[15:50] <fta2> it's trivial, just 1 desktop file per website
[15:50] <fta2> and an icon
[15:51] <jcastro> I am guessing the hard part is finding an icon
[15:51] <jcastro> that is freely licensed, etc.
[15:51] <fta2> yes, that was the blocker for prism
[15:51] <jcastro> so I could base one off a prism package right?
[15:52] <fta2> hmm, it's totally different
[15:52] <fta2> prism needs a .webapp file (a zip) with a bunch of stuff in it
[15:52] <jcastro> ah
[15:52] <fta2> css, js, json, icon, etc..
[15:52] <jcastro> is there an existing or example package I can base off of that you can think of?
[15:53] <fta2> with chromium, use the feature directly, it will create a desktop file on your desktop, that's what you have to package
[15:56] <fta2> by default, the desktop file refers to an icon in ~/.local/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/ created from the favicon
[15:56] <jcastro> does the shortcut refresh the icon on it's own as the user uses it?
[15:59] <fta2> no, it fetches the icon when you create the shortcut, then it's cached
[15:59] <jcastro> ok
[16:07] <fta2> i don't know if it's possible to specify some prefs like for prism (window size, url & status bars visible, etc)
[16:08] <fta2> for example, for a pastebin, you need the url bar to be able to copy/paste the link
[16:39] <fta2> jcastro, ^^, do you have enough info?
[16:39] <fta2> jcastro, btw, did you read my dent about chromium releases?
[16:43] <fta2> micahg, hi, just checked 3.6, the unicode bug is still there. but it seems gone in 3.7
[16:44] <fta2> the popup menu bug is in 3.6 too
[16:44] <micahg> fta2: it landed on 3.6 yesterday, so should be fixed in today's build
[16:44] <fta2> but gmap is fine, unlike 3.7
[16:44] <micahg> popup menu bug?
[16:44] <fta2> [reed], ^^
 <fta2> [reed], compare http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.7.ogv (broken) with http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.5.ogv (OK)
[16:44] <fta2> micahg, ^^
[16:46] <jcastro> fta2, I have enough info, I'll go read your dent now
[16:46] <micahg> fta2: any errors on the console?
[16:46] <micahg> FF error console
[16:48] <fta2> nothing relevant
[16:48] <jcastro> wow
[16:48] <jcastro> that tree is brilliant
[16:49] <fta2> jcastro, but that's a lot of releases, ~60 in 60 days outside of trunk
[16:49] <jcastro> yeah
[16:50] <jcastro> they did say once they get a stable release out that it should be more sane though right?
[16:50] <fta2> i had to write a script to draw that because i checked manually, and i quickly found out there was a lot more than i thought
[16:50] <jcastro> heh
[16:51] <jcastro> do they still not have symlinks pointing to the right build for the right channel?
[16:51] <fta2> i just remember that they said we're doomed to follow trunk in a never ending beta
[16:52] <fta2> nothing i can find. I'd like a bunch of links or a file pointing to what their 3 channels are currently shipping
[16:52] <fta2> that would be enough for me
[16:53] <jcastro> yeah
[16:53] <jcastro> just stable, beta, dev symlinks would do the trick
[16:53] <jcastro> I will ask them again after they ship beta
[16:53] <fta2> for this tree, i also have the exact rev-ids in their svn for each node
[16:53] <jcastro> I only saw 2 beta bugs left this morning
[17:09] <micahg> fta2: unfortunately, my attempts to fix songbird failed...I'm going to try a full download from svn without filtering anything out, I added sqlite, but it didn't seem to be enough
[17:11] <jdstrand_> asac, fta2: hi! I've got a pending merge request for an SRU for firefox-3.5. (lp:~jdstrand/firefox/firefox-452591+455792+447006+464016+473268)
[17:12] <jdstrand_> asac, fta2: it seems that it would perhaps be easier if I had commit access to ff35 and higher so I can adjust the AA profiles on my own. what do you think?
[17:12] <asac> i am fine with that. unless fta2 is uncomfortable
[17:14] <fta2> i'm fine
[17:14] <jdstrand_> \o/
[17:14] <asac> jdstrand_: keep changelog format as we do ;) :)
[17:14] <asac> fta2: can you add him?
[17:14]  * asac on call atm
[17:14] <asac> otherwise in 1h
[17:14] <jdstrand_> asac: sure thing
[17:18] <fta2> jdstrand_, done but it's weird, weren't you already member?
[17:18] <fta2> 2008-07-29
[17:19] <jdstrand_> fta2: I know I had access to the ubuntu-mozilla-security ppa...
[17:19] <jdstrand_> fta2: I didn't think I had commit access to bzr though-- I seem to remember trying at first
[17:20] <jdstrand_> and was told to use the merge review process
[17:21] <fta2> asking for review is always nice for those huge packages, but if it's just the apparmor thing, just go ahead, you're the guy ;)
[17:22] <jdstrand_> fta2: ok. I'll give it a go sometime soonish. if I have problems, I'll ask. thanks! :)
[17:24] <fta2> jdstrand_, would be nice if you could add the apparmor to the other ff branches, they have a lot of users too
[17:25] <fta2> i'm not sure chromium need that though, it's already running in a sandbox
[17:25] <jdstrand_> fta2: yeah-- that was part of the reason for the request. it'll become even more important as ff versions are EOLd
[17:25] <jdstrand_> fta2: not planning chromium atm
[17:26] <jdstrand_> though, I read (parts of) the security design for ChromeOS, and they plan to use a MAC for chromium, so we'll see (not planned for Lucid)
[17:28] <asac> jdstrand_: for now commit it to the .head branches. and lets check tomorrow for the stable branches wrt SRU/committing etc.
[17:28] <asac> e.g. all .head branches if yu want (ffox 3.7, 3.6, ...)
[17:28] <jdstrand_> ok
[17:38] <asac> jdstrand_: welcome to the team ;)
[17:39] <jdstrand_> asac: thanks!
[17:40] <micahg> asac: I wasn't sure if I was supposed to approve merge requests, so I left them for you
[17:41] <asac> micahg: ok. if you are comfortable you can do that ... use some reasonal self-judgement etc. ;)
[17:49] <micahg> asac: ok
[19:57] <fta> micahg, can you reproduce the 3 bugs i've mentioned earlier?
[19:58] <micahg> 3? I saw 2
[19:58] <micahg> let me try the gmaps
[19:59] <micahg> gmap wfm in 3.7
[19:59] <micahg> 3.7~a1~hg20091129r3527
[21:03] <fta> micahg, the bug is when you create a path between A and B, and try to modify it by dragging a point from the blue line
[21:03] <micahg> ah
[21:04] <fta> the 2nd is the popup menu on top of the gmap menu (as seen on my video)
[21:04] <fta> the 3rd is a crash in the js engine
[21:05] <micahg> I didn't see the one about the crash
 damn ff3.7, it's crashing like hell now
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/331752/
 it happens when i click on the map link from the google homepage
[21:07] <fta> so 3.7 suffers from 1, 2 and 3, 3.6 from 2 but not 1 (not sure for 3), and 3.5 looks fine
[21:08] <fta> and upstream doesn't care, as usual
[21:09] <micahg> fta: I'll see if I can reproduce tomnight
[21:09] <micahg> *tonight
[21:09] <fta> so /me moving to chromium, with responsive upstream
[21:10] <fta> they really care about linux and ubuntu, for a change
[21:12] <micahg> fta: upstream seems to selectively care if it affects everyone, not just ubuntu/amd64
[21:12] <fta> they care more for win & mac
[21:20] <fta> brb
[22:01] <[reed]> [15:08:31] <fta> and upstream doesn't care, as usual
[22:01] <[reed]> where are you getting that from?
[22:01] <[reed]> stop making stuff up
[22:01] <[reed]> I have yet to see you file a bug on the issue
[22:01] <[reed]> I'm just a volunteer like you
[22:01] <[reed]> I do what I can when I have time
[22:01] <[reed]> and I've been ridiculously busy lately due to end-of-semester stuff
[22:01] <[reed]> exams start Thursday for me
[22:01] <[reed]> so, I really don't want to hear whining if you're not going to file a bug
[22:02] <fta> if you want, i can quit this group
[22:03] <[reed]> that's your call, but I do want you to think about what you're saying... I may be a good contact with upstream in general, but I do have other obligations, just as you do
[22:03] <[reed]> I've repeatedly told you that filing a bug is the best way to get answers
[22:03] <[reed]> I'm more than happy to make sure a bug gets the attention it deserves
[22:03] <[reed]> but until that bug is filed, it's all just hearsay
[22:03] <[reed]> nothing concrete
[22:05] <fta> [reed], please stop subscribing me to moz bugs, i will remove myself from all i can
[22:05]  * [reed] rolls eyes
[22:05] <[reed]> as you wish
[22:06] <fta> or better, dev/null my alias
[22:06] <micahg> fta: you can jsut change your e-mail setting in bugzilla for no notifications
[22:07] <fta> most of my bugs went wontfix or ignored, so why should i even lose more time with that
[22:08] <micahg> fta: I'm saying, you can stop getting e-mail in one shot as opposed to unsubscribing from bugs
[22:09] <[reed]> fta: not really... I just looked, and here are the stats: 5 unresolved, 13 fixed, 4 invalid, 4 wontfix, 5 duplicates
[22:10] <fta> fixed from dupes
[22:10] <fta> but whatever, i no longer care
[22:13] <mconnor> fta: those stats aren't terrible, I'm not really sure what you would consider "caring" enough that you wouldn't make blanket accusations..
[22:15] <fta> mconnor, [reed]: ok, you're all perfect, i'm just evil and i blame without reasons
[22:15] <mconnor> fta: I'm not saying that
[22:15] <fta> micahg, do you have the infra to host the dailies?
[22:16] <mconnor> fta: we're not perfect, but it seems you're being somewhat unfair
[22:17] <jcastro> I think everyone needs to relax a bit. :D
[22:17] <mconnor> fta: though if you have examples of us being unfair, please let me know
[22:17] <micahg> fta: the boit?
[22:17] <micahg> *bot
[22:21] <mconnor> jcastro: I'm relaxed, albeit concerned, since I do try to get downstream concerns handled with minimal stress
[22:21] <jcastro> mconnor, you can always bring your concerns to me if you'd like, it's my job to get concerns looked at
[22:22] <mconnor> jcastro: it's sort of mine too ;)
[22:22] <jcastro> ah, perfect then
[22:22] <mconnor> jcastro: I don't have real concerns with downstream, but if upstream is behaving badly, I can help there!
[22:22] <micahg> fta: yes, I have a server I can host the bot on
[22:22] <jcastro> mconnor, likewise, except the opposite way
[22:23]  * mconnor remembers who jcastro is
[22:23] <mconnor> right right
[22:23] <jcastro> though I just got back from vacation so I am extra relaxed.
[22:23] <jcastro> it was a rough cycle up to that point, heh
[22:30] <[reed]> fta: mozilla bug 517737
[22:30] <[reed]> seems to only affect 3.7+
[22:30] <[reed]> you said you also see it in 3.6, though?
[22:31] <fta> no
[22:31] <fta> 3.6 has the popup menu bug
[22:31] <[reed]> a
[22:31] <[reed]> ah
[22:33] <[reed]> fta: popup menu bug == can't right click? or what exactly just so I'm clear
[22:34] <fta> [reed], it's in my video, in 3.5, right click brings to gmap overlay menu, in 3.6+, it brings both the gmap and ff menus
[22:34] <fta> -to+the
[22:35] <[reed]> ah
[22:53] <pwnguin> http://spot.livejournal.com/312320.html
[22:56] <pwnguin> is chromium actually in ubuntu?
[23:03] <fta> pwnguin, not officially, it's there https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa (but lp is broken right now)
[23:04] <fta> pwnguin, i've been packaging it long before spot even started
[23:04] <pwnguin> yea
[23:05] <pwnguin> i was just wondering if it had moved out of ppa
[23:05] <pwnguin> before i made a comment to that effect on his post
[23:06] <fta> not yet, but we're working on it: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28287