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elkypleia2, around still?00:25
mdeontehello01:33
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pleia2elky: am now01:46
mdeonteHello?01:49
Picimdeonte: How can we help you today?01:50
mdeontePici, that elky dude told me to come back when i think i can behave01:50
mdeontei think i can01:50
Picimdeonte: I see.  Well elky is not around at the moment, but she probably will be by later.01:54
mdeonteSo what do i do Pici01:54
Picimdeonte: Probably best to part this channel for now.  When she returns I suspect that she will ask you to join here to discuss.01:58
ardchoillegeitenneuker in #ubuntu needs an OT hint and the !ops trigger doesn't seem to be working01:59
Pici...01:59
Pici!ping02:00
Picihrm02:00
ubottusebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (geitenneuker ignoring peoples off topic warnings, now trolling)02:00
ubottuardchoille called the ops in #ubuntu (geitenneuker)02:01
ubottuHere I am, brain the size of a planet and you expect me to respond to a ping? How depressing.02:01
Flannel Helloooo?02:55
Picihm?02:56
FlannelHmm, odd.02:56
FlannelMy remove was taking a good while02:56
PiciWhy the remove?02:56
FlannelPici: Read her last statement.  I'm not going to have her advertising her other channels, she knows better.02:57
FlannelThey've resumed doing it in queries and things, which is something we can't really control, even if it is bad citizenship, but in channel is definately crossing the line.02:58
FlannelI say "resumed" because I'm assuming in good faith that it stopped at some point02:59
elkyis this who i think it is?03:00
Pici'this'?03:00
Flannelelky: Er, you didn't know?03:00
FlannelOh, yes.03:00
elkyFlannel, i know she's resumed irc presence, wasn't aware she's spamming people again03:01
Flannelelky: Aye.  The other day someone even brought it up in -ot about her sending a random query to him, and then after his conversation with her ended and he decided not to join, she continued later.03:02
elkyargh03:03
PiciWhat she was removed from #ubuntu wasn't all that obvious though, she suggested someone use /msg alis list *ubuntu to find an offtopic ubuntu channel03:03
FlannelPici: That won't return #ubuntu-offtopic, for instance (and actually, returned a lot more channels than I thought it would initially), but convienently it does return hers.03:04
PiciFlannel: indeedy03:05
elkyugh03:05
elkymdeonte, so, why should i believe that you will behave?03:08
mdeonteelky, I really dont know how I could convince you. Just by taking my word really is all I can do03:10
elkymdeonte, i've spoken with people from the beginners project.03:10
elkywhat do you think they said of your ability to behave?03:11
* mdeonte knows the outcome already03:11
mdeonteelky, That i cant.03:12
elkywhat were you planning to be doing differently that made yourself think you would be able to behave this time around?03:13
mdeonteelky, trying to keep myself busy... I just did that because i was boreed03:16
elkyand what were you going to keep yourself busy with?03:17
mdeonteelky, atm im working on my webserver and configuring a virtual machine03:19
elkyand how is that going to stop you linking people to exploits and prank websites?03:19
mdeonteI dont know man, that is the first time i have done something like that. I dont know what you want me to tell you03:20
elkyi want you to tell me something that will give me confidence that i'm not going to see exploits, pranks, bots, offtopicness, rudeness and immaturity03:22
mdeontegeezz how much did they tell you?03:24
elkyeverything.03:25
elkymdeonte, i've also been watching you in #debian since yesterday.03:27
mdeonteelky, and?03:27
mdeonteI dont think i did anything bad..03:27
elkygiven the number of times you tripped up my swear word highlights compared to any other individual, if you think you did nothing wrong, then you're mistaken.03:28
mdeonteelky, well i think swearing is allowed in there03:30
mdeontei wouldnt swear in #ubuntu, and never have03:30
elkyyou may not have sworn, but you exploited browsers. why should i trust you to not do lesser things?03:34
mdeonteelky, Dude, there is nothing i can tell you. I can just promise that i wont do it again03:41
* maco snorts at elky as a dude03:41
mdeontemaco, are you mocking me?03:43
elkymdeonte, we need more time to think about it. please come back in a few days time.03:43
elkymdeonte, no. but you're assuming i'm a guy.03:43
mdeonteOkay, sorry. I just wont do anything bad in #ubuntu. I barely go there anyways.. like once a month when I need some help03:44
elkymdeonte, we still need time to think it over, and you need time to think about why what you did was wrong.03:45
mdeonte:[03:48
elkyThis is what happens when you do the wrong thing.03:48
ubottuIn ubottu, scottandmonique said: well it is only because he found out he is wrong03:50
mdeonteelky, i know it was wrong03:53
manzurhello05:06
manzurcan any one help me05:06
manzurAmaranth:05:07
manzurhello05:07
manzurI was banned from  #ubuntu-offtopic can u help me out? i have read what rules, i promise not to do it again05:08
manzurhello is anyone inn here? ikonia05:19
ubottumaco called the ops in #ubuntu (Orgy and SirTwat have very family un-friendly nicks)05:32
Flannelmaco: The best way is to ask them to change them privately.05:33
macoi asked before doing ! o p s, but it wasnt privately05:34
FlannelAh, I missed that.05:34
manzurFlannel: can u help me removing the banned i have got05:36
manzur¿?05:36
manzurfrom  #ubuntu-offtopic05:36
Flannelmanzur: Give me a sec and I'll look into it, yeah.05:36
Flannelmanzur: While you're waiting, you mind explaining what happened, etc?05:36
manzurok, it happened that i was spaming.. it is true and i admit it, it is my first time spaming05:37
manzurand i feel bad about it.. welll.. the only thing i can say is: that i won't do it anymore05:38
manzurand besides.. I did not want to incommode any one05:39
manzurso excuse me for that05:39
manzurI needed to get something so, I tried to get it as soon as posible but I did not want to hurt anyone05:39
manzurso05:39
manzurthere u are05:39
manzurI did not want to bother anyone...05:41
maco*snort* SirTwa says in PM "no one likes a taddle tell"05:42
Flannelmanzur: you needed to?  really?05:43
manzurwell really I did not, like I need it inmidiatly but you know, sometimes we do mistakes05:45
manzurbut what i can confirm.. it is the fact that i did not want to hurt neither bother anyone05:45
manzurso excuses or that05:45
Flannelmanzur: You're aware that the link is inappropriate to begin with, right?  It wasn't just the fact that you spamemd it.05:47
manzuryeah i know i did not know what happened to me05:49
manzurbut ok i admit it05:49
manzuri thought it could happened in offtopic05:49
manzurbut i was thinking bad i know i should not do it anywhere05:49
FlannelNo, even in -offtopic the IRC guidelines apply: family friendly and all that.05:49
manzurso sorry about that05:49
FlannelOh, are you familiar with the code of conduct and our IRC guidelines?05:50
manzuryeah i have read i a lot of times05:50
manzuri had to05:50
manzurlol05:50
FlannelGood, good.  Give them one more read over right now, and let me know when you're finished, and I'll see about removing your ban.05:50
manzurman i am about to sleep... it is 12:5105:51
manzuram05:51
manzurin colombia05:51
manzurlol05:51
manzuri am sleepy05:51
manzurlol05:51
mneptokmanzur: why did you have to read them so many times?05:52
manzurnothing in particular mneptok, just because i had to, u people ask me to read it05:53
manzurwell i am not a newbie, I know how things work05:54
mneptokwhy did we ask you to read them in the past? what caused that? and having read them, why did you deliberately spam an inappropriate URL?05:54
manzurI said it before05:54
manzurit does not matter, the fact is that i won't do it again anywhere, i won't05:55
mneptokyou said what before?05:55
manzurwhy i posted inappopieate links05:55
Flannelmanzur: I've removed your ban in -ot, I trust you won't have lapses again in the future.05:56
manzurat the end05:56
manzurthanks Flannel05:56
manzursorry about that really05:56
manzurbye05:56
Flannelmanzur: Thanks, just don't let it happen again.  Have a nice night.05:57
manzuru too, bye05:57
Flannelmneptok: His original doohickey was a year ago, in #u, for being less-than-helpful and confusing05:58
mneptokthe "i have read the CoC and guidlines often, but decided to spam anyway" makes me uneasy05:59
mneptokbut we shall see05:59
FlannelHe seemed genuine enough, and was upfront about it.  Worst case is he gets banned again06:00
* mneptok nods06:00
dragonhowdy ops06:04
dragonlong time no see06:04
dragonlooks like this guy ron-... is trolling in #ubuntu06:04
Flanneldragon: Thanks, I'll read the scrollback06:05
mneptoki think it's more a matter of a newer user having zealotry issues06:05
ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, rww said: !asl =~ s/english/English/06:05
dragonsounds good06:05
Flanneloh, mneptok's on it06:06
Flannelmneptok: Cliffnotes version?06:06
mneptokFlannel: "proprietary sucks" "i know .NET, oh NO!" "use gEdit instead of cat" and other ramblings06:07
Flannelwell, looks like he might be taking it to -ot anyway06:07
mneptokFlannel: heart in right place, but should probably drink more decaf and read some manpages.06:07
macoand some randomness about python in place of cat & sed06:07
Flannelyeah, I'm getting to that noww06:08
mneptokmaco: my guess was that he went Googling for an answer to my query and ctl-c/ctl-v'ed the first thing he read06:08
MenZaubottu: swearing06:31
MenZahmm06:31
FlannelHowdy draco123407:52
draco1234oops07:52
draco1234thought this was #ubuntu07:53
draco1234ah, I get redirected07:53
FlannelHowdy draco123407:53
Flanneldraco1234: I've forwarded here to get your attention, because our query was getting tiresome.07:54
draco1234Hey, you are an admin abuser. You kicked me from a channel because you felt I didn't show you enough respect in private07:54
Flanneldraco1234: No, I forwarded you here so you'll give me a straight answer regarding your behavior07:54
draco1234I'm not impressed07:54
Flanneldraco1234: I don't need you to be impressed, I simply ask you give straight answers07:55
draco1234You can call me all the names you want in private, but you shouldn't let your ego get in the way of running #ubuntu07:55
draco1234Your excuse is pretty weak, by the way. Text is text. Do you expect anyone to believe that you think this channel is easier to type in than our previous private messages?07:57
macoThis channel is logged publicly.07:57
draco1234awesome! so are blogs!07:57
draco1234and twitter!07:57
draco1234ZOMG!07:57
Flanneldraco1234: Once again, do you mind explaining why you're behaving the way you are in #ubuntu?  offtopic, random, etc.07:58
draco1234That question cannot be answered because it is formulated on false implicit assumptions. I already explained to you that I was NOT being offtopic and random.07:59
FlannelFair enough.  Your reasons, if I understand correctly, was you felt that reminding maco of "orgy" was important so she wouldn't forget it.  Is my understanding correct?08:00
draco1234Don't you think you're going too far?08:01
Flanneldraco1234: If I'm incorrect in my understanding of your prior statements, please correct me.08:02
draco1234oops08:03
draco1234Slightly incorrect08:03
draco1234"Orgy" is a person, not an "it".08:03
Flanneldraco1234: please correct my misunderstandings08:03
Flanneldraco1234: Alright, and aside from that, is it accurate?08:04
draco1234I think so08:05
Flanneldraco1234: How is that on topic for #ubuntu?08:05
Flannelor: how was it relevant to the current discussion in #ubuntu at the time?08:07
draco1234At which time? Originally?08:07
FlannelWhen you said it08:07
Flannel23:41 <Flannel> 23:35 < draco1234> maco, orgy08:07
Flanneler, yeah, whatever.  You know what I mean08:08
Flannel23:35 was approximately 33 minutes ago.08:08
draco1234Because at that time, maco messaged me saying, "if you ever bring up orgy again, I have the power to get you banned"08:10
macolies08:10
macoi have no /msg'd you08:10
draco1234So I wanted to test whether such a bully really was ruining the atmosphere of the channel, and was a real admin08:11
Flanneldraco1234: Considering you continue to message maco, I'm having a hard time believe you're innocence in this.08:12
draco1234What?08:12
Flanneldraco1234: Only a few minutes ago you messaged maco in a query with "orgy" again, it's making it hard for me to believe your statement that maco would message you like that.08:14
draco1234Anyways, such threats and politics are bad for the channel. I consider exposes and removing them from the channel to be quite relevant08:14
macoWhat threats?08:14
draco1234your threat08:14
macoI have made no threat08:14
macoYou have made one up, however.08:15
macoTo be clear, #ubuntu is, unfortunately, not one of the channels in which I have the power to ban anyone.08:15
draco123423:32 <maco> if you ever bring up orgy again, I have the power to get you banned08:15
macoSo you can type angle brackets. Big deal.08:16
draco1234so can you, apparently08:17
macoYour original message was in-channel. Logging shows that.08:19
macoThat alone covers the "offtopic" and "random" points.08:19
draco1234Well you win maco, it looks like you really can ban anyone for any trivial reason you want. Congratulations.08:19
FlannelLogging is one reason we're having this discussion here, draco1234, as opposed to a query.08:20
macoEncountering a troll is not, in my opinion, reason for congratulations.08:21
Flannelmaco: That's not necessary08:21
macoOK08:21
draco1234Name-calling like that I guess is your natural way of celebrating victory08:21
Flanneldraco1234: Back on topic,08:22
jussi01Ok, just a moment. draco1234, I can see you are frustrated. However, it appears to me you were being offtopic in #ubuntu, regardless of what other accusations are being made from you or from maco/flannel.08:22
jussi01draco1234: Ive just read thorugh backlog and thers some not very nice stuff been said. Now what we need to do to move forward is get a commitment from you that you will stay ontopic and within the guidelines and the Ubuntu code of conduct while in the channel.08:24
draco1234Such as? The other other comments in my log are my talking about someone's video card's not being able to run compiz08:25
draco1234My log includes the full 10 minutes before this incident08:26
draco1234OK jussi01 you win, I promise to continue following the CoC as I always have.08:31
draco1234Oh, but one more thing: Flannel claims that he forwarded me here to get to the bottom of the matter, but his kick message ("you should know better") is a self-congratulatory sneer08:34
macoIt's the default kick message if you use certain irssi scripts08:36
draco1234I feel that he was retaliating because, after he continued to pester me for justifications, I finally asked him who he was and why I should keep explaining08:37
draco1234My kick was *immediately* after this statement08:37
jussi01Sorry, Im having network issues here08:38
Flanneldraco1234: I kicked you after your last diatribe when it became clear you wouldn't be giving me a straight answer.08:38
draco1234Flannel, did you ever think that by identifying yourself as a channel operator, your inquisition might be taken a little more seriously?08:39
Flanneldraco1234: You don't need to be an operator to point out when someone is being offtopic, so no, I didn't think it was necessary for you to realise you were causing a disruption.08:43
draco1234Flannel, you don't need to be an operator to point out offtopics, but you do need to be one to demand explanations08:44
draco1234I could have fixed 10 computers by now08:55
draco1234And if that's not on topic, I don't know what is!08:55
Flanneldraco1234: With your continued antagonizing of maco, I won't be removing your ban tonight.  I suggest you read the Code of Conduct and the IRC guidelines and let them sink in for a few days, then come back and inquire about your ban.08:57
draco1234Whatever she's telling you, it's all lies08:57
draco1234Ah well good night guys... chill out some time08:59
FlannelOoh, ban evasion09:05
macoaye09:05
ardchoilleTimOSGUI is advertising in #ubuntu. Says he's an ubuntu partner. Does that give him permission to advertise?09:25
FlannelNot in #ubuntu09:25
FlannelI don't see them listed as a partner anyway09:28
FlannelHmm, they've been rather creative over the past day on advertising09:29
FlannelMmmm, seems the java IRC client on their site connects you to #ubuntu automatically09:34
MenZaAll Asmodeus does in -ot appears to be whining about rules, attacking others and abusing @lart these days.10:30
topylithat's the_big_cat at the moment btw, in case you didn't notice10:38
MenZaoh I did10:39
MenZahence my comment, topyli10:39
topyliright. just making sure you're not venting because you stayed up all night worrying about him :)10:40
topylioff to ork now10:41
MenZahah10:41
jussi01topyli: what??? you work?? no.... :P10:45
MenZatopyli: ping.11:03
elkyjussi01, no, he orks. you know. he's someone's cow-orker.11:14
MenZa:D11:29
ubottuIn #ubuntu, devtux87 said: ubottu i know where is blacklist in an installed system! But what about live cd iso image? :P13:03
ikonia@mark #ubuntu decora asked to control language in pm - being a complete pain about it, demanding ban word lists etc14:33
ubottuThe operation succeeded.14:33
ikoniabrainfuck is being quoted back again as a contradiction to the CoC14:38
bazhangjimbobimbo was ChrisTX trolling in #ubuntu earlier15:00
ikoniathank you15:00
ikoniabazhang: how do you know, (I can't see a chrisTX nick in my last logs)15:01
bazhangikonia, just checked the bantracker, he was removed earlier for trolling, /wii on jimbobimbo is ChristTX as real name15:03
ikoniaI see it15:03
ikoniayes15:03
bazhangthe bug he is reporting has been triaged15:03
bazhangnothing like a virus though15:03
ikoniaI know15:04
ikoniait's nonsense15:04
bazhangyep15:04
ikoniaforwarded here to have a talk before his next delight in #ubuntu15:04
bazhangdelight, nice :)15:04
ikoniaI have a long drive now so I'll be away for a while15:05
ikonialaters15:05
bazhangsee you later15:05
MenZaHow does MetaBot work in -meta? o-O15:08
jussi01MenZa: have a look at the verbose output chan15:08
MenZajussi01: er, -meta-verbose?15:08
MenZa:p15:08
jussi01MenZa: read the topic...15:09
* jussi01 slaps MenZa15:09
MenZapfft, topics.15:09
MenZaoverrated!15:09
MenZajussi01: see -ot topic!15:11
MenZa:P15:11
bazhangGuest17398, this should be discussed in #ubuntu-irc not here15:40
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jussi01MenZa: not sure thats quite appropriate... anyways...16:06
MenZajussi01: the 'Common Sense(tm)' bit still stands, and takes preference!16:06
MenZaAlthough that topic is a bit of an oxymoron.16:06
topyli#ubuntu-offtopic is an oxymoron. and that's the way i like it baby!16:08
topyli(i don't wanna live forever. don't forget the joker etc.)16:09
geniiSort of annoying ubottu thing... If you !factoid | someone and they just left ... then they return and you reiterate, it says "See above" to them16:35
PiciBut not a bug in my opinion.16:37
geniiPici: I agree, not a bug, just annoying16:37
* Pici marks as wont-fix16:38
geniiHehe16:38
ubottuIn #kubuntu, rgreening said: !usb-creator This is a simple utility designed to make bootable USB desktop images from Ubuntu ISO (CD/DVD) images. It has 3 front-ends; windows, gtk and kde as of Karmic.16:55
ubottuIn #kubuntu, rgreening said: !usb-creator is This is a simple utility designed to make bootable USB desktop images from Ubuntu ISO (CD/DVD) images. It has 3 front-ends; windows, gtk and kde as of Karmic.16:56
geniiHm16:56
genii!unetbootin16:56
ubottuFor information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent16:56
Pici!info usb-creator16:56
ubottuusb-creator (source: usb-creator): Ubuntu USB desktop image creator transitional meta-package for GTK+. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.12 (karmic), package size 1 kB, installed size 40 kB16:56
ubottuseidos called the ops in #ubuntu (aula13)17:25
ubottuLjL called the ops in #ubuntu (Xx_[S]cReAmE[R]_)17:57
jpdselky: Logs back.18:02
Picijpds: thanks for the update18:02
ubottusebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (mr_moh)18:32
jussi01!away > aboSamoor|away18:45
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from mr_moh)18:47
Picijussi01: Shall I remove the mute, or do you want to handle it?18:51
jussi01Pici: no, all yours, Im busy18:53
Picijussi01: er, I thought you said you got him?18:53
jussi01no, I said you got him... or at least I meant that18:54
mneptoktopyli: the only card you need is ...18:57
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from jondavis)19:31
* Pici sighs19:31
Seeker`anyone seen nalioth?19:43
PiciHe hasn't been on IRC lately.19:44
Seeker`:(19:44
Seeker`he is the only one that can restart mootbot19:45
Seeker`any staff around?19:52
ubottujdong called the ops in #ubuntu-devel (rcbwnka)19:56
geniiIs it 25 that is the max number of concurrent channels open?21:06
mneptok20, IIRC21:07
geniiOK, thanks21:08
Tm_Twithout permissions yes21:15
Tm_Tafter that was it 25521:15
Tm_Thumm, actually I don't know21:15
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)21:17
ubottuFloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)21:17
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)21:17
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)21:17
ubottuFloodBot5 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)21:17
geniiInteresting. Don't often see that "SendQ exceeded" message21:32
ubottusebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (A1Robot)22:04
jpdsgenii: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/chanlist/trouble.html22:34
ubottugoose called the ops in #ubuntu (howie_ is a nonsensical troll)23:49
ubottumaco called the ops in #ubuntu (howie_ is typing gibberih)23:49

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