[00:25] <elky> pleia2, around still?
[01:33] <mdeonte> hello
[01:46] <pleia2> elky: am now
[01:49] <mdeonte> Hello?
[01:50] <Pici> mdeonte: How can we help you today?
[01:50] <mdeonte> Pici, that elky dude told me to come back when i think i can behave
[01:50] <mdeonte> i think i can
[01:54] <Pici> mdeonte: I see.  Well elky is not around at the moment, but she probably will be by later.
[01:54] <mdeonte> So what do i do Pici
[01:58] <Pici> mdeonte: Probably best to part this channel for now.  When she returns I suspect that she will ask you to join here to discuss.
[01:59] <ardchoille> geitenneuker in #ubuntu needs an OT hint and the !ops trigger doesn't seem to be working
[01:59] <Pici> ...
[02:00] <Pici> !ping
[02:00] <Pici> hrm
[02:55] <Flannel>  Helloooo?
[02:56] <Pici> hm?
[02:56] <Flannel> Hmm, odd.
[02:56] <Flannel> My remove was taking a good while
[02:56] <Pici> Why the remove?
[02:57] <Flannel> Pici: Read her last statement.  I'm not going to have her advertising her other channels, she knows better.
[02:58] <Flannel> They've resumed doing it in queries and things, which is something we can't really control, even if it is bad citizenship, but in channel is definately crossing the line.
[02:59] <Flannel> I say "resumed" because I'm assuming in good faith that it stopped at some point
[03:00] <elky> is this who i think it is?
[03:00] <Pici> 'this'?
[03:00] <Flannel> elky: Er, you didn't know?
[03:00] <Flannel> Oh, yes.
[03:01] <elky> Flannel, i know she's resumed irc presence, wasn't aware she's spamming people again
[03:02] <Flannel> elky: Aye.  The other day someone even brought it up in -ot about her sending a random query to him, and then after his conversation with her ended and he decided not to join, she continued later.
[03:03] <elky> argh
[03:03] <Pici> What she was removed from #ubuntu wasn't all that obvious though, she suggested someone use /msg alis list *ubuntu to find an offtopic ubuntu channel
[03:04] <Flannel> Pici: That won't return #ubuntu-offtopic, for instance (and actually, returned a lot more channels than I thought it would initially), but convienently it does return hers.
[03:05] <Pici> Flannel: indeedy
[03:05] <elky> ugh
[03:08] <elky> mdeonte, so, why should i believe that you will behave?
[03:10] <mdeonte> elky, I really dont know how I could convince you. Just by taking my word really is all I can do
[03:10] <elky> mdeonte, i've spoken with people from the beginners project.
[03:11] <elky> what do you think they said of your ability to behave?
[03:11]  * mdeonte knows the outcome already
[03:12] <mdeonte> elky, That i cant.
[03:13] <elky> what were you planning to be doing differently that made yourself think you would be able to behave this time around?
[03:16] <mdeonte> elky, trying to keep myself busy... I just did that because i was boreed
[03:17] <elky> and what were you going to keep yourself busy with?
[03:19] <mdeonte> elky, atm im working on my webserver and configuring a virtual machine
[03:19] <elky> and how is that going to stop you linking people to exploits and prank websites?
[03:20] <mdeonte> I dont know man, that is the first time i have done something like that. I dont know what you want me to tell you
[03:22] <elky> i want you to tell me something that will give me confidence that i'm not going to see exploits, pranks, bots, offtopicness, rudeness and immaturity
[03:24] <mdeonte> geezz how much did they tell you?
[03:25] <elky> everything.
[03:27] <elky> mdeonte, i've also been watching you in #debian since yesterday.
[03:27] <mdeonte> elky, and?
[03:27] <mdeonte> I dont think i did anything bad..
[03:28] <elky> given the number of times you tripped up my swear word highlights compared to any other individual, if you think you did nothing wrong, then you're mistaken.
[03:30] <mdeonte> elky, well i think swearing is allowed in there
[03:30] <mdeonte> i wouldnt swear in #ubuntu, and never have
[03:34] <elky> you may not have sworn, but you exploited browsers. why should i trust you to not do lesser things?
[03:41] <mdeonte> elky, Dude, there is nothing i can tell you. I can just promise that i wont do it again
[03:41]  * maco snorts at elky as a dude
[03:43] <mdeonte> maco, are you mocking me?
[03:43] <elky> mdeonte, we need more time to think about it. please come back in a few days time.
[03:43] <elky> mdeonte, no. but you're assuming i'm a guy.
[03:44] <mdeonte> Okay, sorry. I just wont do anything bad in #ubuntu. I barely go there anyways.. like once a month when I need some help
[03:45] <elky> mdeonte, we still need time to think it over, and you need time to think about why what you did was wrong.
[03:48] <mdeonte> :[
[03:48] <elky> This is what happens when you do the wrong thing.
[03:53] <mdeonte> elky, i know it was wrong
[05:06] <manzur> hello
[05:06] <manzur> can any one help me
[05:07] <manzur> Amaranth:
[05:07] <manzur> hello
[05:08] <manzur> I was banned from  #ubuntu-offtopic can u help me out? i have read what rules, i promise not to do it again
[05:19] <manzur> hello is anyone inn here? ikonia
[05:33] <Flannel> maco: The best way is to ask them to change them privately.
[05:34] <maco> i asked before doing ! o p s, but it wasnt privately
[05:34] <Flannel> Ah, I missed that.
[05:36] <manzur> Flannel: can u help me removing the banned i have got
[05:36] <manzur> ¿?
[05:36] <manzur> from  #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:36] <Flannel> manzur: Give me a sec and I'll look into it, yeah.
[05:36] <Flannel> manzur: While you're waiting, you mind explaining what happened, etc?
[05:37] <manzur> ok, it happened that i was spaming.. it is true and i admit it, it is my first time spaming
[05:38] <manzur> and i feel bad about it.. welll.. the only thing i can say is: that i won't do it anymore
[05:39] <manzur> and besides.. I did not want to incommode any one
[05:39] <manzur> so excuse me for that
[05:39] <manzur> I needed to get something so, I tried to get it as soon as posible but I did not want to hurt anyone
[05:39] <manzur> so
[05:39] <manzur> there u are
[05:41] <manzur> I did not want to bother anyone...
[05:42] <maco> *snort* SirTwa says in PM "no one likes a taddle tell"
[05:43] <Flannel> manzur: you needed to?  really?
[05:45] <manzur> well really I did not, like I need it inmidiatly but you know, sometimes we do mistakes
[05:45] <manzur> but what i can confirm.. it is the fact that i did not want to hurt neither bother anyone
[05:45] <manzur> so excuses or that
[05:47] <Flannel> manzur: You're aware that the link is inappropriate to begin with, right?  It wasn't just the fact that you spamemd it.
[05:49] <manzur> yeah i know i did not know what happened to me
[05:49] <manzur> but ok i admit it
[05:49] <manzur> i thought it could happened in offtopic
[05:49] <manzur> but i was thinking bad i know i should not do it anywhere
[05:49] <Flannel> No, even in -offtopic the IRC guidelines apply: family friendly and all that.
[05:49] <manzur> so sorry about that
[05:50] <Flannel> Oh, are you familiar with the code of conduct and our IRC guidelines?
[05:50] <manzur> yeah i have read i a lot of times
[05:50] <manzur> i had to
[05:50] <manzur> lol
[05:50] <Flannel> Good, good.  Give them one more read over right now, and let me know when you're finished, and I'll see about removing your ban.
[05:51] <manzur> man i am about to sleep... it is 12:51
[05:51] <manzur> am
[05:51] <manzur> in colombia
[05:51] <manzur> lol
[05:51] <manzur> i am sleepy
[05:51] <manzur> lol
[05:52] <mneptok> manzur: why did you have to read them so many times?
[05:53] <manzur> nothing in particular mneptok, just because i had to, u people ask me to read it
[05:54] <manzur> well i am not a newbie, I know how things work
[05:54] <mneptok> why did we ask you to read them in the past? what caused that? and having read them, why did you deliberately spam an inappropriate URL?
[05:54] <manzur> I said it before
[05:55] <manzur> it does not matter, the fact is that i won't do it again anywhere, i won't
[05:55] <mneptok> you said what before?
[05:55] <manzur> why i posted inappopieate links
[05:56] <Flannel> manzur: I've removed your ban in -ot, I trust you won't have lapses again in the future.
[05:56] <manzur> at the end
[05:56] <manzur> thanks Flannel
[05:56] <manzur> sorry about that really
[05:56] <manzur> bye
[05:57] <Flannel> manzur: Thanks, just don't let it happen again.  Have a nice night.
[05:57] <manzur> u too, bye
[05:58] <Flannel> mneptok: His original doohickey was a year ago, in #u, for being less-than-helpful and confusing
[05:59] <mneptok> the "i have read the CoC and guidlines often, but decided to spam anyway" makes me uneasy
[05:59] <mneptok> but we shall see
[06:00] <Flannel> He seemed genuine enough, and was upfront about it.  Worst case is he gets banned again
[06:00]  * mneptok nods
[06:04] <dragon> howdy ops
[06:04] <dragon> long time no see
[06:04] <dragon> looks like this guy ron-... is trolling in #ubuntu
[06:05] <Flannel> dragon: Thanks, I'll read the scrollback
[06:05] <mneptok> i think it's more a matter of a newer user having zealotry issues
[06:05] <dragon> sounds good
[06:06] <Flannel> oh, mneptok's on it
[06:06] <Flannel> mneptok: Cliffnotes version?
[06:07] <mneptok> Flannel: "proprietary sucks" "i know .NET, oh NO!" "use gEdit instead of cat" and other ramblings
[06:07] <Flannel> well, looks like he might be taking it to -ot anyway
[06:07] <mneptok> Flannel: heart in right place, but should probably drink more decaf and read some manpages.
[06:07] <maco> and some randomness about python in place of cat & sed
[06:08] <Flannel> yeah, I'm getting to that noww
[06:08] <mneptok> maco: my guess was that he went Googling for an answer to my query and ctl-c/ctl-v'ed the first thing he read
[06:31] <MenZa> ubottu: swearing
[06:31] <MenZa> hmm
[07:52] <Flannel> Howdy draco1234
[07:52] <draco1234> oops
[07:53] <draco1234> thought this was #ubuntu
[07:53] <draco1234> ah, I get redirected
[07:53] <Flannel> Howdy draco1234
[07:54] <Flannel> draco1234: I've forwarded here to get your attention, because our query was getting tiresome.
[07:54] <draco1234> Hey, you are an admin abuser. You kicked me from a channel because you felt I didn't show you enough respect in private
[07:54] <Flannel> draco1234: No, I forwarded you here so you'll give me a straight answer regarding your behavior
[07:54] <draco1234> I'm not impressed
[07:55] <Flannel> draco1234: I don't need you to be impressed, I simply ask you give straight answers
[07:55] <draco1234> You can call me all the names you want in private, but you shouldn't let your ego get in the way of running #ubuntu
[07:57] <draco1234> Your excuse is pretty weak, by the way. Text is text. Do you expect anyone to believe that you think this channel is easier to type in than our previous private messages?
[07:57] <maco> This channel is logged publicly.
[07:57] <draco1234> awesome! so are blogs!
[07:57] <draco1234> and twitter!
[07:57] <draco1234> ZOMG!
[07:58] <Flannel> draco1234: Once again, do you mind explaining why you're behaving the way you are in #ubuntu?  offtopic, random, etc.
[07:59] <draco1234> That question cannot be answered because it is formulated on false implicit assumptions. I already explained to you that I was NOT being offtopic and random.
[08:00] <Flannel> Fair enough.  Your reasons, if I understand correctly, was you felt that reminding maco of "orgy" was important so she wouldn't forget it.  Is my understanding correct?
[08:01] <draco1234> Don't you think you're going too far?
[08:02] <Flannel> draco1234: If I'm incorrect in my understanding of your prior statements, please correct me.
[08:03] <draco1234> oops
[08:03] <draco1234> Slightly incorrect
[08:03] <draco1234> "Orgy" is a person, not an "it".
[08:03] <Flannel> draco1234: please correct my misunderstandings
[08:04] <Flannel> draco1234: Alright, and aside from that, is it accurate?
[08:05] <draco1234> I think so
[08:05] <Flannel> draco1234: How is that on topic for #ubuntu?
[08:07] <Flannel> or: how was it relevant to the current discussion in #ubuntu at the time?
[08:07] <draco1234> At which time? Originally?
[08:07] <Flannel> When you said it
[08:07] <Flannel> 23:41 <Flannel> 23:35 < draco1234> maco, orgy
[08:08] <Flannel> er, yeah, whatever.  You know what I mean
[08:08] <Flannel> 23:35 was approximately 33 minutes ago.
[08:10] <draco1234> Because at that time, maco messaged me saying, "if you ever bring up orgy again, I have the power to get you banned"
[08:10] <maco> lies
[08:10] <maco> i have no /msg'd you
[08:11] <draco1234> So I wanted to test whether such a bully really was ruining the atmosphere of the channel, and was a real admin
[08:12] <Flannel> draco1234: Considering you continue to message maco, I'm having a hard time believe you're innocence in this.
[08:12] <draco1234> What?
[08:14] <Flannel> draco1234: Only a few minutes ago you messaged maco in a query with "orgy" again, it's making it hard for me to believe your statement that maco would message you like that.
[08:14] <draco1234> Anyways, such threats and politics are bad for the channel. I consider exposes and removing them from the channel to be quite relevant
[08:14] <maco> What threats?
[08:14] <draco1234> your threat
[08:14] <maco> I have made no threat
[08:15] <maco> You have made one up, however.
[08:15] <maco> To be clear, #ubuntu is, unfortunately, not one of the channels in which I have the power to ban anyone.
[08:15] <draco1234> 23:32 <maco> if you ever bring up orgy again, I have the power to get you banned
[08:16] <maco> So you can type angle brackets. Big deal.
[08:17] <draco1234> so can you, apparently
[08:19] <maco> Your original message was in-channel. Logging shows that.
[08:19] <maco> That alone covers the "offtopic" and "random" points.
[08:19] <draco1234> Well you win maco, it looks like you really can ban anyone for any trivial reason you want. Congratulations.
[08:20] <Flannel> Logging is one reason we're having this discussion here, draco1234, as opposed to a query.
[08:21] <maco> Encountering a troll is not, in my opinion, reason for congratulations.
[08:21] <Flannel> maco: That's not necessary
[08:21] <maco> OK
[08:21] <draco1234> Name-calling like that I guess is your natural way of celebrating victory
[08:22] <Flannel> draco1234: Back on topic,
[08:22] <jussi01> Ok, just a moment. draco1234, I can see you are frustrated. However, it appears to me you were being offtopic in #ubuntu, regardless of what other accusations are being made from you or from maco/flannel.
[08:24] <jussi01> draco1234: Ive just read thorugh backlog and thers some not very nice stuff been said. Now what we need to do to move forward is get a commitment from you that you will stay ontopic and within the guidelines and the Ubuntu code of conduct while in the channel.
[08:25] <draco1234> Such as? The other other comments in my log are my talking about someone's video card's not being able to run compiz
[08:26] <draco1234> My log includes the full 10 minutes before this incident
[08:31] <draco1234> OK jussi01 you win, I promise to continue following the CoC as I always have.
[08:34] <draco1234> Oh, but one more thing: Flannel claims that he forwarded me here to get to the bottom of the matter, but his kick message ("you should know better") is a self-congratulatory sneer
[08:36] <maco> It's the default kick message if you use certain irssi scripts
[08:37] <draco1234> I feel that he was retaliating because, after he continued to pester me for justifications, I finally asked him who he was and why I should keep explaining
[08:37] <draco1234> My kick was *immediately* after this statement
[08:38] <jussi01> Sorry, Im having network issues here
[08:38] <Flannel> draco1234: I kicked you after your last diatribe when it became clear you wouldn't be giving me a straight answer.
[08:39] <draco1234> Flannel, did you ever think that by identifying yourself as a channel operator, your inquisition might be taken a little more seriously?
[08:43] <Flannel> draco1234: You don't need to be an operator to point out when someone is being offtopic, so no, I didn't think it was necessary for you to realise you were causing a disruption.
[08:44] <draco1234> Flannel, you don't need to be an operator to point out offtopics, but you do need to be one to demand explanations
[08:55] <draco1234> I could have fixed 10 computers by now
[08:55] <draco1234> And if that's not on topic, I don't know what is!
[08:57] <Flannel> draco1234: With your continued antagonizing of maco, I won't be removing your ban tonight.  I suggest you read the Code of Conduct and the IRC guidelines and let them sink in for a few days, then come back and inquire about your ban.
[08:57] <draco1234> Whatever she's telling you, it's all lies
[08:59] <draco1234> Ah well good night guys... chill out some time
[09:05] <Flannel> Ooh, ban evasion
[09:05] <maco> aye
[09:25] <ardchoille> TimOSGUI is advertising in #ubuntu. Says he's an ubuntu partner. Does that give him permission to advertise?
[09:25] <Flannel> Not in #ubuntu
[09:28] <Flannel> I don't see them listed as a partner anyway
[09:29] <Flannel> Hmm, they've been rather creative over the past day on advertising
[09:34] <Flannel> Mmmm, seems the java IRC client on their site connects you to #ubuntu automatically
[10:30] <MenZa> All Asmodeus does in -ot appears to be whining about rules, attacking others and abusing @lart these days.
[10:38] <topyli> that's the_big_cat at the moment btw, in case you didn't notice
[10:39] <MenZa> oh I did
[10:39] <MenZa> hence my comment, topyli
[10:40] <topyli> right. just making sure you're not venting because you stayed up all night worrying about him :)
[10:41] <topyli> off to ork now
[10:41] <MenZa> hah
[10:45] <jussi01> topyli: what??? you work?? no.... :P
[11:03] <MenZa> topyli: ping.
[11:14] <elky> jussi01, no, he orks. you know. he's someone's cow-orker.
[11:29] <MenZa> :D
[14:33] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu decora asked to control language in pm - being a complete pain about it, demanding ban word lists etc
[14:38] <ikonia> brainfuck is being quoted back again as a contradiction to the CoC
[15:00] <bazhang> jimbobimbo was ChrisTX trolling in #ubuntu earlier
[15:00] <ikonia> thank you
[15:01] <ikonia> bazhang: how do you know, (I can't see a chrisTX nick in my last logs)
[15:03] <bazhang> ikonia, just checked the bantracker, he was removed earlier for trolling, /wii on jimbobimbo is ChristTX as real name
[15:03] <ikonia> I see it
[15:03] <ikonia> yes
[15:03] <bazhang> the bug he is reporting has been triaged
[15:03] <bazhang> nothing like a virus though
[15:04] <ikonia> I know
[15:04] <ikonia> it's nonsense
[15:04] <bazhang> yep
[15:04] <ikonia> forwarded here to have a talk before his next delight in #ubuntu
[15:04] <bazhang> delight, nice :)
[15:05] <ikonia> I have a long drive now so I'll be away for a while
[15:05] <ikonia> laters
[15:05] <bazhang> see you later
[15:08] <MenZa> How does MetaBot work in -meta? o-O
[15:08] <jussi01> MenZa: have a look at the verbose output chan
[15:08] <MenZa> jussi01: er, -meta-verbose?
[15:08] <MenZa> :p
[15:09] <jussi01> MenZa: read the topic...
[15:09]  * jussi01 slaps MenZa
[15:09] <MenZa> pfft, topics.
[15:09] <MenZa> overrated!
[15:11] <MenZa> jussi01: see -ot topic!
[15:11] <MenZa> :P
[15:40] <bazhang> Guest17398, this should be discussed in #ubuntu-irc not here
[16:06] <jussi01> MenZa: not sure thats quite appropriate... anyways...
[16:06] <MenZa> jussi01: the 'Common Sense(tm)' bit still stands, and takes preference!
[16:06] <MenZa> Although that topic is a bit of an oxymoron.
[16:08] <topyli> #ubuntu-offtopic is an oxymoron. and that's the way i like it baby!
[16:09] <topyli> (i don't wanna live forever. don't forget the joker etc.)
[16:35] <genii> Sort of annoying ubottu thing... If you !factoid | someone and they just left ... then they return and you reiterate, it says "See above" to them
[16:37] <Pici> But not a bug in my opinion.
[16:37] <genii> Pici: I agree, not a bug, just annoying
[16:38]  * Pici marks as wont-fix
[16:38] <genii> Hehe
[16:56] <genii> Hm
[16:56] <genii> !unetbootin
[16:56] <Pici> !info usb-creator
[18:02] <jpds> elky: Logs back.
[18:02] <Pici> jpds: thanks for the update
[18:45] <jussi01> !away > aboSamoor|away
[18:51] <Pici> jussi01: Shall I remove the mute, or do you want to handle it?
[18:53] <jussi01> Pici: no, all yours, Im busy
[18:53] <Pici> jussi01: er, I thought you said you got him?
[18:54] <jussi01> no, I said you got him... or at least I meant that
[18:57] <mneptok> topyli: the only card you need is ...
[19:31]  * Pici sighs
[19:43] <Seeker`> anyone seen nalioth?
[19:44] <Pici> He hasn't been on IRC lately.
[19:44] <Seeker`> :(
[19:45] <Seeker`> he is the only one that can restart mootbot
[19:52] <Seeker`> any staff around?
[21:06] <genii> Is it 25 that is the max number of concurrent channels open?
[21:07] <mneptok> 20, IIRC
[21:08] <genii> OK, thanks
[21:15] <Tm_T> without permissions yes
[21:15] <Tm_T> after that was it 255
[21:15] <Tm_T> humm, actually I don't know
[21:32] <genii> Interesting. Don't often see that "SendQ exceeded" message
[22:34] <jpds> genii: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/chanlist/trouble.html