[01:48] <dbart> I'm trying to upload some download files to launchpad (binary tarballs) and I keep getting errors, Firefox will upload for a while (~10-20 minutes) and then a "Please try again" page will appear, any tips on how to get the uploads to complete?
[01:53] <thumper> dbart: there was a very recent outage that may have impacted
[01:53] <thumper> dbart: how big are the download files?
[01:54] <dbart> the smallest is 20MB
[01:54] <dbart> the largest is 137MB
[01:54]  * thumper wonders if there is a limit
[01:54] <thumper> ouch
[01:54] <dbart> the upload page says the limit is 200MB
[01:55] <thumper> ok
[01:55] <thumper> well, it should work then
[01:55] <thumper> what is your local upload speed?
[01:55] <dbart> 1 megabit/sec
[01:55] <thumper> which project?
[01:55] <thumper> I'll see if I can see anything
[01:56] <dbart> the project is maria
[01:56] <dbart> thumper: thanks!
[01:58] <thumper> dbart: try the smallest again now
[01:58] <thumper> with your local upload speed, it shouldn't take too long
[01:58] <thumper> I don't think there is any local throttling
[01:58] <dbart> ok, starting
[02:00] <btm> does lp intentionally not link to archived debian bugs?
[02:02] <thumper> btm: sorry, no idea
[02:02] <thumper> btm: most of the bugs team are around in eurpoean day times
[02:03] <thumper> dbart: how's it going?
[02:04] <dbart> thumper: it's uploading at between 30-60 KiB/s
[02:04] <thumper> dbart: how far away from London are you?
[02:05] <thumper> I wonder what your link speed to that is
[02:05] <dbart> I'm US East Coast (North Carolina)
[02:05] <thumper> I'd think that you should be getting a faster link than that...
[02:07] <dbart> It might be my ISP, they only say "up to 1 Mbit/s", and it can vary quite a bit during the day
[02:12]  * dbart wishes his upload speed was the same as his download speed (10 Mbit/s)
[02:16] <dbart> thumper: I just received the "Please try again" page
[02:26] <thumper> :(
[02:38] <LaserJock> I'm a little unsure, can Launchpad only import git master branches or can you give it other branches as well to import?
[02:44] <wgrant> LaserJock: Only master, at the moment.
[02:44] <LaserJock> ah, darn
[02:44] <LaserJock> I wondered if it was just master-by-default
[03:00] <RAOF> I'd wager it's because bzr-git does not yet have any way to specify a git branch that isn't "master"
[03:02] <spiv> RAOF: more precisely, because bzr doesn't have a way to address colocated branches.
[03:22] <LaserJock> spiv: is that something that's likely to change any time soon, that you know of?
[03:23] <lifeless> there was a discussion on the list
[03:23] <lifeless> and a proposed solution everyone was happy with, IIRC
[03:23] <LaserJock> I was going to try to import packaging
[03:23] <LaserJock> but that will obviously only work if we can import something other than master
[03:25] <LaserJock> perhaps I should just write a daily build script and not worry about git -> for now
[03:25] <LaserJock> git -> bzr that is
[03:28] <spm> dbart: well, it's not just you - tried uploading a 50Mb file from here in Aust. same result. ~ 25 mins. Solutions tho....
[03:32] <spm> so. the upload was constant; wiresharked it and the tcp window graph was steady; as linear as I've ever seen. so it's not some soft timeout on no data received for a while, seems to be elsewhere.
[03:36] <dbart> spm: interesting
[03:42] <spm> dbart: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/490638
[03:59] <mr_steve> Launchpad broken, or is it just me?
[04:01] <spm> mr_steve: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/launchpad.net works for me; all nagios checks that should be green, are green
[04:03] <mr_steve> spm, thanks. Looks like I get ping replies, but no page loads. Weird.
[04:05] <dbart> spm: thanks. I've added a comment to the report
[05:33] <jgoppert> where do i file an intent to package for ubuntu
[05:40] <darkpixel> For the last week, I haven't been able to search for bugs or report new bugs due to timeouts in launchpad.  This is occurring for me both launchpad and launchpad edge.  Everything else seems to work fine though.
[05:40] <darkpixel> Most recent Error ID: OOPS-1431EB542
[05:42] <darkpixel> Is that page supposed to be asking me for a username/password?
[05:44] <lifeless> which page
[05:44] <darkpixel> The one the bot just spit back when I tossed out my OOPS error ID.
[05:44] <darkpixel> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1431EB542
[05:45] <lifeless> you need to be canonical staff to access that page
[05:45] <lifeless> anyhow
[05:45] <spm> ew. sql query from hell.
[05:45] <lifeless> there is a very long query on that page
[05:45] <lifeless> 16 seconds
[05:45] <darkpixel> That's what I figured.
[05:46] <lifeless> probably full text index related from what wgrant was saying the other week
[10:30] <lifeless> what would cause a merge request to not update its diff?
[10:30] <lifeless> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gutworth/testtools/py3-support/+merge/15385 is out of date - merging has conflicts.
[10:33] <wgrant> lifeless: The diff only updates on source changes, not target.
[10:33] <lifeless> oh, foo.
[10:33] <lifeless> is there a bug, do you know?
[10:34] <wgrant> lifeless: It's quite deliberate.
[10:34] <lifeless> doesn't mean its correct.
[11:57] <jml> lifeless, we'll mark the bug as wontfix if you file it.
[11:58] <jml> lifeless, there's a bug about being able to request an update.
[11:58] <jml> lifeless, and to show when diffs are out of date
[12:19] <cocooncrash> Hi, I can't get emailed merge requests working -- is this a known problem?
[12:29] <arseny92> (Error ID: OOPS-1431EB1004)
[12:58] <lifeless> jml: why though, is it purely a performance concern?
[13:03] <beuno> lifeless, AIUI, because there can be an unlimited amount of MPs pending for a given target, that people don't care about. Updating the source makes sense because it relates directly to the MP. I think the plan is to inform you on the UI, and let you click a button to trigger an update in that scenario
[13:03] <lifeless> beuno: unlimited in the 'needs review' state?
[13:03] <lifeless> beuno: and perhaps 'approved'
[13:04] <beuno> lifeless, yes. Mostly MPs that people file and don't get cleaned up
[13:04] <jml> lifeless, it is a performance concern, yes.
[13:04] <lifeless> beuno: that would seem to be a) a different problem and b) addressable
[13:04] <lifeless> jml: do we have data about it ?
[13:05]  * lifeless sleeps on it
[13:05] <jml> lifeless, no.
[14:43] <oly>  can some one explain this error bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: i am trying to update my local code to the most recent version
[14:43] <Morbus> g'day. i just left a comment on a bug report and forgot to sanitize some email addresses. is that something someone in here can help me out with?
[14:44] <oly> I have tried pull and update but both give me that error
[14:44] <oly> so what should i use to update my local code
[14:45] <jpds> oly: Where are you updating from?
[14:45] <oly> launchpad
[14:45] <oly> guess i have done something wrong some where
[14:45] <oly> just no idea where
[14:46] <jpds> oly: What does "bzr info" give you for parent/pull branch?
[14:46] <oly> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~usmteam/usm/usm/
[14:46] <oly> gives me that
[14:46] <oly> for parent branch
[14:47] <oly> oh it also says standalone tree is that something todo with it ?
[14:47] <jpds> Morbus: Probably mthaddon.
[14:47] <Morbus> jpds: i'm throwig it into answers.launchpad. i can see others have done it in there and they were solved.
[14:48] <oly> it also has nothing about a pull branch
[14:49] <MTecknology> Is there any reason you guys need a branch that hasn't been pushed to? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~registry/ubuntu-drupal-locomap/5.x
[14:51] <MTecknology> I learned to code as I've been writing it so I wouldn't be shocked if there's a lot better code I could be writing
[14:51] <MTecknology> ^wrong chan
[15:05] <barry> Morbus: can you paste your question url here?  i'll make sure it's assigned to a losa.  they're kind of busy today so i can't give an eta
[15:06] <barry> oly: what is the bzr command you're using?
[15:06] <oly> its okay think i got it
[15:06] <chrisw> hey Barry :-)
[15:07] <oly> was missing a bit of the end
[15:07] <barry> oly: cool
[15:07] <oly> i was using http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~usmteam/usm/
[15:07] <oly> instead of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~usmteam/usm/usm/
[15:07] <barry> chrisw: hello!  i am your helpful launchpad community helpery person for this week :)
[15:07] <oly> silly mistake :p but thanks for the help :)
[15:07] <barry> :)
[15:08] <chrisw> barry: muhahha... I'm goign to try and do a bzr checkout on Windows.... got your asbestos ready? ;-)
[15:08] <barry> chrisw: -> #bzr :)
[15:08] <chrisw> the branch i want to nose at is hosted on launchpad :-P
[15:09]  * barry is here to serve
[15:10]  * chrisw thinks about askign for a coffee, but it'd likely be cold by the time it got here ;-)
[15:11] <jml> chrisw, hello
[15:12] <chrisw> hey, I'm in the same city as you ocne more ;-)
[15:12] <chrisw> (so you *can* brign me coffee if you like *grinz*)
[15:13] <Morbus> barry: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/92432
[15:14] <chrisw> Morbus: looks sanitized to me, what needs removing?
[15:14] <barry> Morbus: assigned to losas
[15:14] <barry> chrisw: post_commit_to and post_commit_sender probably
[15:14] <Morbus> y
[15:16] <chrisw> hmm, #bzr is dead :-S
[15:24] <arseny92> hi, good afternoon Barry, there is a comment in my question by me to see
[15:25] <barry> arseny92: can you remind me of the url?
[15:32] <arseny92> barry, m?
[15:34] <barry> arseny92: sorry, i don't remember the url for the question you posted
[15:37] <jjohansen> question on launchpad mailing lists - does every person on the mailing list require a lp account?
[15:37] <barry> jjohansen: yes
[15:38]  * arseny92 had bad ping, reconnected
[15:39] <arseny92> barry, now i see double, chech the last comment in my question
[15:39] <arseny92> check*
[15:40] <arseny92> ...and cant access +editemails
[15:40] <jjohansen> barry: thanks
[15:41] <barry> arseny92: looking...
[15:43] <barry> arseny92: my guess is that the replication problems introduced a race condition that allowed your double verification to work when it shouldn't have.  i'm going to assign your question to the losas and ask that they modify the database to remove one of the duplicates.  we'll have to see if that works
[15:43] <barry> arseny92: i'd like to remove the irc chat logs from the question so that it's easier for a losa to read.  is that okay?
[15:45] <arseny92> but me didn't followed that verify link again yesterday, so....
[15:46] <barry> arseny92: well, it's just a guess
[15:51] <arseny92> i think that the irc log is easy to read, as all the bug history is in it, an easy way to know what exactly was done....
[15:51] <kblin> hi folks
[15:51] <detly> hi - I uploaded the wrong orig tarball to our PPA - is there anyway to delete it or force it to be overwritten?
[15:51] <kblin> mrevell: ping
[15:51] <barry> arseny92: ok
[15:51] <mrevell> Hi kblin
[15:52] <mrevell> kblin, guess you got my mail :)
[15:52] <bigjools> detly: no, you need to upload a new one
[15:52] <detly> bigjools - but I can't, it's rejected if I try
[15:53] <bigjools> detly: it needs a new version, it won't let you upload the same filename with different contents
[15:53] <kblin> mrevell: yup. I'm happy to help streamlining the bug reporting process from launchpad to our bugtracker
[15:53] <detly> hmm
[15:53] <bigjools> that's a good thing :)
[15:53] <detly> I can't just rename our orig tarball
[15:54] <mrevell> kblin, That's great news, thanks. jelmer suggested you, btw :) I'll drop you a mail with some short questions in the next week or so. In the mean time, is there anything that you have in mind already?
[15:54] <detly> well, it's a good thing if no-one ever makes a mistake, ever :P
[15:55] <jml> detly, I think you can delete it
[15:55] <bigjools> jml: no, he can't
[15:55] <jml> oh, different sort of orig
[15:55]  * jml missed the "PPA" bit.
[15:55] <bigjools> soyuz remembers all
[15:56] <detly> if I upload it with a different name, it won't match the pattern required for building, though
[15:56] <bigjools> can you bump a minor version?
[15:56] <detly> not the upstream version
[15:57] <kblin> mrevell: not so far. I'll have to chat with the rest of the team to see what they think the biggest current speedbumps are
[15:57] <bigjools> do you have anything else in your PPA?
[15:57] <detly> yes, but it's all about to be replaced
[15:57] <detly> as in, no, nothing that matters
[15:57] <detly> :)
[15:57] <mrevell> thanks kblin
[15:57] <bigjools> ok, you could start a new PPA then
[15:58] <bigjools> unless its URL matters
[15:58] <kblin> mrevell: I seem to remember that some of the triagers reporting bugs upstream sometimes don't link to the launchpad bug but instead just provide the bug number, which makes reading the initial report a bit cumbersome
[15:58] <detly> bigjools - I just noticed that I can request deletion
[15:59] <detly> maybe that will help, I'll see
[15:59] <mrevell> kblin, Noted.
[16:06] <detly> hmm
[16:06] <detly> not so far
[16:06] <arseny92> >     i'm going to assign your question to the losas and ask that they modify the database to remove one of the duplicates. we'll have to see if that works    -  the assignee field after the irclog in the question info?
[16:07] <arseny92> what to put there?
[16:08] <barry>  arseny92: i need to do a little more investigation before i know what to ask the losas to do.  hang on...
[16:08] <arseny92> ahh, i cant edit that field
[16:08] <arseny92> ok
[16:09] <arseny92> tried to go to +editemails again
[16:10] <arseny92> catched again immediately after following there
[16:10] <arseny92> (Error ID: OOPS-1431EC1269)
[16:12] <arseny92> barry, here is what I exactly see
[16:12] <arseny92> http://s02.radikal.ru/i175/0912/b8/d95b41f8c17b.png
[16:12] <barry> arseny92: yep, that's the same failure.  i will try to get a losa to look into it.  i'm just multitasking like crazy right now ;)
[16:14] <arseny92> umm, what does 'losa' mean? site admins?
[16:16] <gmb> arseny92: Launchpad Operational System Administrators. So, yes, more or less.
[16:19] <arseny92> what exactly to do - remove the first email and the duplicate, so there will be only the new email.
[16:19] <arseny92> gmb, thanks
[16:26] <barry> arseny92: i am working with a losa (yep, launchpad sysadmin) to undo the damage
[16:26] <barry> arseny92: so, nothing needed on your part for now
[16:26] <barry> arseny92: and i'll report back asap
[16:26] <arseny92> ok
[16:57] <barry> arseny92: can you please check your email addresses now to see if the duplicate is still there?  our losa deleted the duplicate entry from the auth db, but there might be a lag getting that onto the main db
[16:57] <barry> arseny92: from my view of your account, it looks like things are working again
[17:02] <arseny92> the duplicate isnt there
[17:03] <arseny92> and +editemails also seems working
[17:03] <barry> arseny92: great!
[17:04] <arseny92> lets see if it really working...
[17:05] <arseny92> i'd set the new address as contact address and delete the old address
[17:07] <arseny92> yes, it work
[17:08] <barry> arseny92: fantastic, thanks for letting us know.  apologies for all the problems you've had
[17:09] <jbicha> hi, I broke something today while playing with series'
[17:10] <jbicha> the latest release for https://launchpad.net/kabikaboo should be 1.6 but 1.5 is showing instead
[17:11] <arseny92> except the moment when i selected the old address and clicked delete, it said 'there is 1 error: invalid value'. I went back to my home profilepage, then to +editemails again - it is not there as it wanted to be
[17:11] <arseny92> now all ok
[17:12] <jbicha> 1.5 is in the obsolete series, 1.6 is in stable
[17:13] <arseny92> ligout/login also works fine
[17:15] <Primatown> hi there, I have a small question regarding translation file upload.. do all revisions need approve too? is it wise to wait till i have near finished source therefore?
[17:16] <jbicha> why is obsolete higher than stable at https://launchpad.net/kabikaboo/+series
[17:18] <Primatown> that should only happen to living stuff
[17:18] <jbicha> do I need to switch the names of obsolete and stable and move all the releases too?
[17:20] <djbclark> How do I delete just some of a team's PPAs (eg the stuff marked "DELETE ME" at https://launchpad.net/~bcfg2 )?
[18:46] <jcastro> deryck[lunch], I'm about to cleanup the lp upstream spec.
[18:47] <jbicha> lifeless: could you delete https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/kabikaboo/code for us, it's broken and we don't use it
[18:49] <jcastro> deryck[lunch], do you guys typically use like wiki pages for specs?
[19:15] <Fazer2> hey, is there any way to remove PPA?
[19:18] <Fazer2> or to change its name (address)?
[19:31] <Fazer2> is anyone in here?
[20:01] <jyoder> I have an odd problem with my PPA. I'm following the instructions on https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading to upload to multiple Ubuntu versions (hardy/jaunty/karmic) and it rejects each upload with this error: The source lirc - 0.8.6-0ubuntu3~ppa4 is already accepted in ubuntu/hardy and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution.
[20:02] <jyoder> I've checked the .dput.cf file a dozen times and the paths are correct for each version
[20:02] <akheron> jyoder: you cannot have the same version in multiple serieses
[20:03] <akheron> append ~hardy1, ~jaunty1, ~karmic1 to the versions
[20:03] <jyoder> ah, so the wiki page is incorrect
[20:03] <jyoder> I'll go ahead and fix that then while I'm at it :)
[20:03] <akheron> how?
[20:03] <akheron> I mean, what does the wiki page say that makes you think you can have the same version in each?
[20:05] <jyoder> the "Using packages from other distributions" implies that you can force the build to occur in a specific version no matter what is specified in the changelog (which does work) and therefore that you can upload the same version to multiple distros
[20:05] <Fazer2> now that someone is here, do you know if it is possible to remove PPA?
[20:06] <jyoder> A few examples would help a lot
[20:08] <jyoder> @Fazer2: You can remove stuff from a PPA but I haven't found a way to remove the PPA itself
[20:09] <Fazer2> jyoder: it sucks, I've just created my first ppa and after the fact I realized its address is wrong
[20:09] <jyoder> create another one :)
[20:10] <Fazer2> jyoder: yeah, but it doesn't make much sens, does it
[20:10] <Fazer2> *sense
[20:10] <jyoder> agreed
[20:10] <LarstiQ> Fazer2: you can rename it?
[20:11] <Fazer2> LarstiQ: but it won't change its web address
[20:11] <LarstiQ> hmm
[20:11] <Fazer2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/392887
[20:12] <maxb> Fazer2: PPAs can be deactivated/hidden by a Launchpad administrator, or they can be removed if they were never uploaded to.
[20:12] <jyoder> you can only change the "display name" not the path
[20:12] <maxb> Either way, you file a support request at https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz for that to happen
[20:12] <Fazer2> maxb: ok, thanks
[20:13] <Fazer2> maxb: so I need to "ask a question" there?
[20:13] <maxb> that's right
[20:14] <jyoder> does anyone currently upload the same package for multiple distro versions?  If I'm understanding correctly, the only answer is to have a different changelog line for each one?
[20:14] <akheron> jyoder: correct
[20:14] <jyoder> I think I said that badly. I mean the top line of the changelog needs to be differenet for each one
[20:14] <LarstiQ> ehm, afaik you can just upload to the distro queue directly?
[20:14] <jyoder> and I have to repackage...
[20:15] <akheron> jyoder: you can copy the same package to multiple distros, however
[20:15] <jyoder> see, that's what *I* got from the docs
[20:15] <jyoder> but akheron says no
[20:15] <LarstiQ> I have done it in the past, it would surprise me if it is no longer possible.
[20:16] <jyoder> I get this error: The source lirc - 0.8.6-0ubuntu3~ppa4 is already accepted in ubuntu/hardy and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution.
[20:16] <jyoder> despite me uploading to ~jyoder/ppa/ubuntu/jaunty
[20:17] <Fazer2> jyoder: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage
[20:17] <maxb> LarstiQ means that you can copy the *built binaries*
[20:17] <maxb> Of course, this only is useful if binaries built in one series will actually install and function correctly in another
[20:17] <LarstiQ> maxb: I actually did mean with dput
[20:17] <maxb> Oops, I fail at reading :-)
[20:17] <akheron> afaik, maxb is right, LarstiQ is wrong
[20:18] <maxb> Yes, you can override the distro in the changelog/changes via the upload URL
[20:18] <LarstiQ> akheron: What I said is correct, but things may have changed.
[20:18] <maxb> This does not, however, permit you to violate the constraint that a given version may only be uploaded once
[20:18] <akheron> LarstiQ: how long ago did you succeed in it?
[20:19] <LarstiQ> akheron: july/august?
[20:19] <LarstiQ> something like that
[20:19] <Fazer2> I haven't read all packaging guide yet, but I thought building would be as easy as uploading sources to the server and it would build them automatically
[20:19] <akheron> LarstiQ: I cannot believe you succeeded :F
[20:20] <LarstiQ> akheron: there is what maxb said, change the version.
[20:20] <LarstiQ> Fazer2: it is
[20:20] <akheron> LarstiQ: you said that you were able to upload the same version many times
[20:21] <jyoder> Fazer2: It is, as long as you're not trying to target multiple versions of Ubuntu (hardy/intrepid/etc)
[20:21] <LarstiQ> akheron: same package
[20:21] <akheron> LarstiQ: ahh
[20:21] <akheron> jyoder's problem was uploading the same version
[20:22] <Fazer2> LarstiQ, jyoder: so do I really have to read through all of this?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[20:22] <jyoder> ok, so this section on appending a ubuntu series should probably be referenced on the https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading page
[20:22] <LarstiQ> Fazer2: ok, so let me amend that slightly. The server builds debian packages, so yes, you need to provide a working source .deb
[20:23] <Fazer2> LarstiQ: oh, I thouught .deb was binary only
[20:23]  * maxb notes that technically, if it's source, it's not a .deb
[20:23] <jyoder> Fazer2: I found it to be helpful to read most of it yes
[20:23] <maxb> Fazer2: You are correct
[20:24]  * LarstiQ sighs
[20:24] <Fazer2> maxb: so I have to prepare the source for the automatic build system
[20:25] <maxb> Well, uh, yes? Otherwise how it is going to know what to build? :-)
[20:25] <LarstiQ> source package, yes
[20:25] <Fazer2> oh, you know, just do make all :-P
[20:25] <jyoder> Fazer2: yeah, you need 3 files, the source.orig.tar.gz the debian change diff, the .changes file.  All of which is covered in the really long packageing complete guide :)
[20:26] <Fazer2> jyoder: ok
[20:26] <jyoder> the build tools automate a LOT of it, as long as you're working with a package someone has already "debianized"
[20:30] <jyoder> sorry to ask this again, but just to be SURE...  I can't just pass a command-line paramater to dput or dbuild to create/upload these things as "myapp_1.0-2~ppa1~intrepid1" and "myapp_1.0-2~ppa1~hardy1" right?  I have to manually edit the changelog 3 times, change the ~series and target series name each time, re-package with dbuild, and dput right?
[20:32] <akheron> jyoder: right
[20:32] <jyoder> ouch
[20:32] <wgrant> jyoder: Are you sure you need to rebuild it for each release?
[20:32] <jyoder> oh yeah
[20:33] <jyoder> lots of kernel stuff... This is lirc
[20:33] <jyoder> oh well, c'est la vie.  Thanks!
[20:35] <jyoder> actually I'll probably just end up writing a Perl script to automate it all anyway since none of the existing tools do it for me :)
[20:35] <jyoder> maybe I'll add that tool to my PPA...
[20:40] <lifeless> jbicha: please ask the help contact for such things
[20:40] <lifeless> barry: 05:45 < jbicha> lifeless: could you delete https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/kabikaboo/code for us, it's broken and we don't use it
[20:40] <jbicha> lifeless: sorry, I saw your name as owner and didn't read the fine print first, thanks though
[20:41] <barry> jbicha: that doesn't exist.  do you mean this one: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/kabikaboo/trunk
[20:42] <jbicha> barry: no, another vcs-imports guy answered my question and deleted it for me, thanks
[20:42] <barry> jbicha: cool
[21:03] <moradan> hello, on saturday I have posted a request to get access to https://launchpad.net/gretl project at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/89969 I was told that it is the most proper way to begin a translation of this GPLed program on launchpad which seems to me as the most suitable tool for collaborative translation. However for about a month from the moment when we discussed the...
[21:03] <moradan> ...idea of using launchpad and decided positively we can't start and I am in some strange situation as the main protagonist of launchpad among other people willing to translate - can anybody help me with starting the translation (I have already prepared the .po file)
[21:07] <barry> moradan: are you sure that's question 89969?  that url seems to point to a totally different question
[21:08] <barry> moradan: just to be sure, you are not https://edge.launchpad.net/~costas-magnuse right?
[21:11] <moradan> sorry
[21:11] <moradan> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/92075
[21:11] <barry> moradan: my understanding is that you need to work with the project owner to enable translations of that project.  the reason being, if they do translations upstream in a different system, then we (launchpad) want to be good citizens about merging their translations with ones done in lp
[21:11] <barry> moradan: so that best thing i can suggest at this point is clicking on ~costas-magnuse's url above and then "Contact this user" to ask them about it
[21:11] <moradan> I have discussed that with developers
[21:12] <barry> what did they say?
[21:12] <moradan> I have wrote to him about 20 days ago
[21:13] <barry> moradan: and what did he say?
[21:13] <moradan> Developers wished me goodluck in translating help system into russian with any suitable tools as it is not started yet and it seems that nobody except me plans to begin it
[21:14] <barry> moradan: cool. do the upstream developers own the launchpad project?  or is costas-magnuse unrelated to the upstream?
[21:14] <moradan> I have some friends that are familiar with very spcecialized thematic of this program (econometrics) but I need to provide them with a suitable tool to translate
[21:15] <moradan> he is registered in the devel-mailing list but he wrote to it several years ago last time
[21:15] <moradan> and he didn't replied to me from 3 his emails that i found
[21:16] <barry> moradan: i do not have permission to make any changes here.  our admins can re-assign the project to new owners but we'd prefer to hear from the upstream owners.  can you get one of them to submit a question here: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad
[21:17] <barry> moradan: have them explain the situation and if possible, provide some way to prove authenticity.  then we can assign the project to them (or their representative) and that person can then enable translations in launchpad
[21:18] <moradan> thanks for suggesting this way - I'll write to the developing mail list now
[21:19] <barry> moradan: cool.  if you have any problems, let us know.  you can also use answers to track the issue
[21:22] <moradan> Sorry again, so it isn't enough the thread about using launchpad in gretl's mailing list?
[21:25] <barry> moradan: that would help, but i think our admins would really like a request from the upstream maintainer
[21:26] <barry> moradan: unless they want to delegate that to you, in which case a question to that effect and an email in the mailing list would probably do trick
[21:26] <moradan> thanks
[21:29] <mtaylor> thumper: if you look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mordred/drizzle/remove-hash-alias/+merge/15502, you'll notice merge conflict markers in the diff, except they aren't in my local copy of the branch...
[21:38] <thumper> mtaylor: if they are not in the local branch, what do you get if you do a preview merge into trunk?
[21:38] <mtaylor> hrm. that's a good question...
[21:39] <mtaylor> thumper: yes. you are right. thanks!
[21:39] <mtaylor> thumper: I hadn't considered that
[21:39] <mtaylor> neat
[21:39] <thumper> :)
[21:44] <moradan> barry, should we start a new question about gretl or it is better to continue posting to the old one? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/92075
[21:48] <barry> moradan: let's use that one.  do you still need a delete of rugretl?
[21:49] <moradan> I thought that it is prohibited to have more than one project for a single program
[21:49] <moradan> and of cause we need only one
[21:50] <barry> moradan: yes, we don't want projects just for translating other projects
[21:51] <barry> moradan: i'm not sure who approved rugretl, but it probably should not have been approved.  do you know ivan sopov?
[21:51] <moradan> I am Ivan Sopov
[21:51] <barry> moradan: oh!  /whois didn't tell me much :)
[21:52] <barry> moradan: let's do this.  use the original question and then if things work out we can delete rugretl.  sound okay?
[21:52] <moradan> I created rugretl by mistake, and as far as I understood it hasn't been approved yet
[21:52] <moradan> yes it is
[21:53] <barry> moradan: actually, it has
[21:57] <moradan> so the project was approved and the .po-file wasn't (it has status "needs review" - however i already have a newer version - i corrected some mistakes in generating the .po-file and there were several additions to the help system on sourceforge)
[21:58] <barry> moradan: i would not add new po files to rugretl.  let's get gretl figured out first.  otherwise you may end up throwing away work
[22:02] <moradan> I'm waiting to the reply from developers (the head of development wrote to the list 20 minutes ago, but he not always participate in issues not connected with adding new functionality or fixing bugs). I'll write to the answers. Thanks a lot.
[22:11] <asabil> hi all
[22:42] <Ng> damn that hot bugs thing is confusing
[22:42] <Ng> I keep thinking "wow did I fix loads of... oh, no it's not a complete list"
[22:46] <Daviey> yes!