/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/01/#ubuntu-ops.txt

montel_elky: ping00:59
elkymontel_, it hasn't been 'a few days' yet.01:00
montel_elky: are you kidding?01:01
elkywhy would I be kidding?01:01
geniiBecause you're a natural-born joker?01:04
montel_elky: dont you think this a little overexaggeration?01:04
elkymontel_, no.01:05
montel_I posted a link. Yeah, it was bad but it has been like 3 days01:05
elkyyou've demonstrated to the beginners team that you're not capable of learning how to behave. why should i unleash you back on to a 1500 person channel?01:05
montel_elky: the only time that i was really bad in the beginners team is when paultag pissed me off01:06
elkymontel_, how many times were you assigned a mentor?01:09
montel_twice. my frist one was never on so i got another01:10
elkyand why were they unable to help you behave?01:10
elkymontel_?01:14
montel_I dont know elky01:15
elkythen how can I trust that you will behave? You dont know why you cant behave, or why you cant learn. until we can identify what makes you choose to harm others when you're bored, i'm not confident I can let you back in.01:17
montel_about me01:18
montel_I know i can behave, I just have to try and keep myself occupied elky. I think the reason why i got in trouble in the beginners is because people like paultag,snova, hellow lukjad007 would just talk crap all the time01:18
elkymontel_, you cant blame others for your own actions.01:19
=== montel_ is now known as mdeonte
mdeonteI know, and i am not,elky, im just giving the reason01:21
elkythe reason being it's someone else's fault you misbehaved because they talk crap? puhleese.01:22
mdeonteelky: No, they provoke me01:22
elkyso who provoked you to rickroll #ubuntu?01:23
mdeonteNobody, i was bored, tired and wasnt thinking01:24
elkyso what's to say you're not going to do the same thing next time you're bored, tired and not thinking?01:26
mdeonteelky: Come on, just give me another chanc01:27
mdeontechance01:27
elkypeeps, votes on montel please.01:43
geniiYou know my view already01:48
elkyok, my dilemma is this. we're effectively extending his #u ban for his -beginners behaviour.  im not comfortable with that, but at the same time, i dont have the time or energy to babysit01:51
nixternalhrmm01:55
FlannelHowdy Ed54, how can we help you today?01:59
Ed54oh, i was banned from #ubuntu for having scripts on01:59
Ed54haven't gotten around to fixing them, thinking i'll just leave it alone01:59
FlannelEd54: Alright, please don't idle here then.01:59
nixternal19:20:34 [   mdeonte] tronyx: all of you in the fricken beginners team are the same. assholes02:02
nixternalthis is a chicago dude unfortunately :(02:02
nixternalerr, that was the wrong paste :)02:02
nixternal19:25:54 [   mdeonte] tronyx: I wish you were in chicago. i would seriously kick your ass02:02
elkynot wrong, complimentary :-/02:03
nixternalthat's the one I wanted....how do you get rid of those freenode users the safe way, as we have cool people who actually use that service02:03
nixternalI think there is more as well02:03
nixternal19:17:02 [   montel_] tronyx: seriously, this is the same shit paultag did which got me banned again. just shut the hell up02:03
nixternaloh ya, there is more...all of the same dribble it seems02:03
elkynixternal, is there a logbot in there?02:04
elky!logs02:04
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/02:04
nixternalno there isn't, and for good reason :)02:04
nixternalthere are quite a few free spirited people who don't want to be logged :)02:04
elkyprotecting abusive behaviour isn't really "good reason"02:04
nixternalnot protecting anything, just people don't want to be logged...that is why we removed it a couple of years ago02:05
nixternalthat was the first time we have experienced anything like that in the 4 years we have been around02:05
* genii thinks about unprotective unreasonable "logs"02:05
nixternalthis is chicago, so there is a ton of smack talk in there too :)02:06
nixternalthe channel isn't always productive to say the least02:06
elkynixternal, what precisely did tronyx say that was "the same" as paultag did?02:06
nixternal19:14:04 [   skiquel] this is a violation of montel's civil rights02:06
nixternal19:14:17 [    tronyx] you have to be civil to have such rights02:06
nixternalthat's all I see that my buddy said02:07
elkynixternal, the problem with smack talk is when you get people who can't see the line and overstep it02:07
elkynixternal, let me guess, skiquel was bitching about montel still being banned?02:07
nixternalskiquel is a clueless friend of mine, never mind what he says02:07
elkynixternal, i'm more interested in the topic surrounding it.02:08
* nixternal looks deeper02:08
elkybasically, has montel gone crying to -chicago because i didn't give him what he wanted?02:09
* genii sips02:09
nixternalno, he didn't cry, he just flipped out02:09
nixternaltronyx must have experienced all of his previous bans and his g-line that I didn't even know about02:09
nixternaltronyx was pretty much telling montel what he was doing wrong02:10
nixternaland that is when montel snapped02:10
elkyle sigh.02:11
elkynixternal, still around?03:47
nixternalelky: yes04:03
elkynixternal, did you or someone else deal with montel in -chicago or not?04:04
nixternalhe left on his own before you contacted me earlier04:04
elkyaha04:04
elkymay i recommend that something be done in that channel for those threats?04:05
nixternalsuch as?04:05
nixternalseems he is using that freenode web crap, how can I ban just him?04:06
elkysimilarly to how mibbit used to be banned.04:06
nixternalwe have others though that use the web crap that are legit04:06
elkynhandler is staff, he should be fluent with it. :P04:06
nixternalnhandler: take care of the light work then :)04:07
nixternalor I won't give your jacket back!04:07
nhandlerNeed something?04:07
* elky goes to find if there's documentation on freenode web stuff04:07
nixternals/stuff/crap/ :)04:07
nhandlernixternal: If you have a recent version of autobleh, it should know what to do ;)04:08
elkynhandler, banning web gateway users. cliffs notes howto :)04:08
nixternalnhandler: link to a recent version? as the version I have is from like 2000 probably :)04:08
elkyyou'll have to wait until he's online though for auto_bleh04:09
nhandlernixternal: Here is my autobleh.pl http://paste.ubuntu.com/332100/04:09
nhandlerelky: Here is what it looks like when a recent autobleh.pl is used to ban a gateway: http://paste.ubuntu.com/332102/04:12
elkyright, so the hash is in the ident?04:13
nhandlerelky: Pretty much, by banning in this way, they can't just quit and rejoin. The 63156b5e is based on my IP address04:15
elkynhandler, yeah, "the hash" :)04:15
elkynixternal, try /mode +b *!d87d9902@ gateway/web/freenode/* and if you want to forward him to somewhere to be mediated, add !#ubuntu-irc or similar to the end (without space)04:16
elkysince he's left, forwarding him to somewhere he can be mediated is strongly advisable, since he misses the luxury of a remove message :)04:17
elkyerr, /mode +b *!d87d9902@gateway/web/freenode/*04:17
nhandlerelky: elky The @gateway/web/freenode/* part isn't really needed. There is a small chance that a random user will join with their username set to that04:18
nhandler(although it doesn't really hurt either)04:18
elkynhandler, aye, but it's also impossible to tell when cleaning out why random string is banned if you leave it off :)04:19
elkysomeone can see at a glance it's a ban via freenode's gateway, not an ancient mibbit ban, or some other random string kind of ban04:19
nhandlerelky: Well, to each his own (in terms of tracking that stuff). Some channels have a bot to track that, other people prefer to use a script/bot to automatically unban the person after X miutes/hours04:20
* nhandler goes back to doing work. Ping me if you need me again04:20
elkynhandler, we have the bantracker, yeah, but it's slooooooooooow04:20
nhandlerelky: I wasn't even directly referring to that (I've never even used it ;) )04:21
elkynhandler, hopefully you will be able to one day when we get all the problems out of it (although i think your staffyness gives you access now)04:22
pleia2we had a great session at uds on bantracker2 :)04:24
elkytsimpson, does btlogin recognise just the normal staff cloak or the secondary staff cloak as well?04:24
elkypleia2, yeah, once we vanquish sqlite, we'll be happy :P04:27
tsimpsonelky: secondary?04:31
elkyyou know, the stuff.morestuff.nick04:31
elkydoes that make it barf? nhandler got no response04:31
tsimpsonit only works with the normal one afaik04:32
tsimpsonbut I should be able to add it I guess04:32
tsimpson*!*@*/freenode.staff.* right?04:32
nhandlertsimpson: *!*@freenode/staff/*04:32
tsimpsonahh, that _should_ already work04:32
elkytsimpson, i'd imagine so, but i did also read nhandlers around the wrong way. still not sure why ubottu ddin't respond to him04:33
tsimpsonbut I think supybot doesn't like more than one nick matching the cloak04:33
nixternal/ban *!*@*/freenode/staff/*04:33
tsimpsonat least with bt2 we won't need the btlogin hack04:33
tsimpsonI think we'll really need to patch supybot to support more than one user per-hostmask04:35
tsimpsonbut I'll need to dig into the code to find where that is, and supybot is seriously undocumented04:35
tsimpsonI think it04:54
tsimpson*it's actually to do with the fact that some staff have a "real" account with the bot04:55
tsimpsonand the hostmasks clash with multiple "users"04:55
elkywell it needs to get over that :P05:08
ardchoilleSomething just happened in #ubuntu. Wolter and SpacePigeon exchanged words but they both have the same real name. Was this a bot being enabled?06:21
elkydont think so.06:23
MenZaSomeone broke wiki.ubuntu.com.07:24
MenZa>:(07:24
dholbachgood morning07:39
MenZamorning, dholbach07:44
tsimpsonMenZa: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ works fine :)07:44
dholbachhi MenZa07:44
MenZatsimpson: oh huzzah.07:44
macodholbach: hello :)07:45
MenZaIt's a... temporary solution, I guess.07:45
dholbachhey maco07:45
tsimpsonall your bookmarks should be updated to wiki.kubuntu.org, and it looks nicer (/me runs from the gnome people)07:46
* maco ^5 tsimpson07:47
* MenZa trips tsimpson07:47
MenZatsimpson: It breaks the pretty brown formatting!07:47
tsimpsonyou can actually change the theme, from your user settings07:48
macoand replaces it with prettier blue formatting!07:48
tsimpsonmine, of course, is set to "kubuntu"07:48
tsimpsonI thing the proxy error just caught up with it07:51
MenZaaye07:53
MenZaI like the new style Ubuntu theme.07:53
tsimpsonand help.u.c is down (hosted on the same server it seems)07:53
MenZaAlso, login broeked.07:54
MenZa!currentissues07:54
MenZa!currentissues is <reply> Issues: help.ubuntu.com, wiki.ubuntu.com down - consider using wiki.kubuntu.com as a substitute for wiki.ubuntu.com.07:54
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, MenZa said: !currentissues is <reply> Issues: help.ubuntu.com, wiki.ubuntu.com down - consider using wiki.kubuntu.com as a substitute for wiki.ubuntu.com.07:54
MenZa(only, s/wiki.kubuntu.com/wiki.kubuntu.org/)07:55
tsimpsonback up07:55
MenZaIt's bouncing heavily07:55
MenZaIt *was* up for me, then it was down07:55
MenZaThen it was up, and back down07:55
MenZaThen OpenID verification gave me a 50307:55
tsimpsonhelp seems to be ok, just wiki is having issues07:58
MenZamm07:58
MenZawell, that's good I suppose07:58
tsimpsonmost stuff should be on help.u.c now, rather than wiki.u.c08:02
tsimpsonbut...08:02
tsimpson!currentissues08:02
ubottuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ are experiencing issues, https://help.ubuntu.com/ should be functioning normally08:02
Flannelwiki is just for teamstuffs, yeah.08:02
MenZaindeed08:02
MenZaWell, that's the idea of it ;)08:03
* tsimpson loves it how anyone who mentions the word "root" gets hit with 2-3 factoids in a row ;)08:04
macowhat is up with jonathanwinters?08:05
macoseems to just be saying random stuff and then since someone used cyrillic goes all zomg communism!08:05
tsimpsonhe needs a /remove I think...08:06
FlannelHe's quieted down currently08:07
tsimpsonhis last message: <JonathanWinters> balsaq give me ur htpasswd08:07
tsimpsoneven though that's an apache thing...08:07
FlannelMhmm08:07
Flannelsigh08:08
FlannelNow people are giving [random suggestions that don't address the question]08:08
macouh his suggestion was "delete system32"08:09
macothis is way looking like a troll to me08:10
macooh you got him :)08:10
MenZa:D08:11
Flannelwhat is this bleachbit?08:11
FlannelHmm, in the repos, anyone ever heard of it?08:12
maconope but the apt-cache show thingy sounds just like someone in there described... CCleaner for Linux08:12
ikoniafor the record JonathanWinters is normally a very able helper, but he has a bad attitude with it, and to get his help, you have to be served his attitude. That's the first time I've seen him behave like that though08:13
tsimpsonthe nick wasn't identified, so it could be anyone (unless you know his host/ip)08:14
MenZaHonestly, if someone were smart enough to steal his nick, I think they'd try to make an effort.08:14
MenZaThat was just a ... 2/10 performance.08:14
tsimpsonwho said it was "stolen", I just said it wasn't identified08:15
tsimpsonif I /quit, anyone can use "tsimpson", doesn't mean they stole it ;)08:15
tsimpsonunless I set a nick enforcer that is08:16
MenZaWell, I call that being stolen.08:16
MenZaI found something weird in my /whois today.08:16
MenZa[2009-12-01 08:12:58 UTC] [freenode] ***  usermode : has oper privs: u08:16
MenZaoper privs: u? Extended channel limit I think that is, but how is that an oper priv? :\08:16
ikoniatsimpson: I know the nick and the isp is pretty much the same08:16
tsimpsonbecause only an "oper" (staff) can set it08:17
ikoniatsimpson: that doesn't mean it's him08:17
MenZaAha.08:17
ubottumaco called the ops in #ubuntu (bilik07 is troll flooding)08:22
FlannelI'm not sure that was entirely intentional, unless there's history I don't see.08:23
Madpilotya, I'll lift the ban08:23
Madpilotgone. we shall see.08:24
Flannelmaco: No, I'm just a ninja.08:28
macohehe ok08:28
tonyyarussoHuh.  According to this e-mail, we're opening nominations for the IRC Council to people who are not currently ops - is that correct?08:28
tonyyarussoAlso, why is the IRCC appointed rather than elected?08:29
bazhanggood question08:29
Madpilotbecauze ve are an eviiilllll diktatorsheep, Kamarad.08:30
Madpilot</cheesy accent>08:30
FlannelIs it possible to be a dictator and a sheep at the same time?  Wouldn't that not work?08:30
tonyyarussoI was going to look at the proposed changes page to see if that's mentioned, but the wiki is down :(08:30
tonyyarussooh hey, there it goes finally08:31
tsimpsonthe CC has to come up with some requirements before the anyone can be nominated for IRCC08:31
tonyyarussoYeah, it sounds like we're planning to do this round as an election.08:31
tonyyarussohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcCouncilChanges08:32
tonyyarussoAnyone have an estimate of the weekly time commitment of IRCC service?08:32
MadpilotFlannel, was supposed to be an attempt at writing in a cheesy villain accent. Obviously didn't work. :)08:32
FlannelMadpilot: aye, I know.  I just thought the resulting turn of phrase was noteworthy08:32
tonyyarussowait, no it's not08:32
tonyyarussoThe docs just use "election" to mean "selection".  Grr.08:33
Flanneltonyyarusso: elected by the CC, I imagine is the usage.08:33
tonyyarussoFlannel: pretty much.  Seems unnecessarily confusing to me.08:34
tsimpsonwelcome to transparent government08:34
MenZaIt's a bit of a clash of interests as I see it. Election by Ubuntu Members is not a bad idea, but I've not seen most members in the core channels.08:35
MenZaAt the same time, I'm not for the idea of the CC appointing IRCC members.08:35
tsimpsonthe IRCC is just an "arm" of the CC really08:36
MenZaAye.08:36
tsimpsonthe CC has final say in all community governance08:36
tonyyarussotsimpson: It would be more correct to say that the IRCC "reports to" the CC.08:36
tonyyarussoThey are separate entitites, but exist in a hierarchy with a relationship between them.08:36
tsimpsonbut, the CC can overrule the IRCC08:37
tonyyarussotsimpson: Yeah, that's consistent with being a subservient body.  That's not the same as an "arm" though.08:37
tsimpsonthey are also the final stage of appeals for IRC08:37
tonyyarussoIt's an arm of the community, which is governed supremely by the CC.08:37
tsimpsonI think our definitions of "arm" are confused here08:38
tsimpsonI basically mean what you mean but thought I didn't mean ;)08:38
tonyyarussoI also wish the nominations weren't kept secret until decisions were made.  eg. I'd consider nominating myself, but not if more than three people already had that I felt would be better in the position.08:38
tonyyarussotsimpson: Do not question my bickering about semantics!  This is a FLOSS channel!  :P08:39
* MenZa would like nominations to be sent to a public mailing lits for all to see.08:39
MenZalist*08:39
tsimpsonwell, people nominate themselves, nothing stopping them from saying "Hey, I just nominated myself"08:39
tonyyarussoMenZa: same08:39
tsimpsonwhy would you not nominate yourself if 3+ people already have?08:40
macotsimpson: i think he means "if 3+ people who are a better fit have been nominated, i dont want to nominate myself"08:40
tsimpsonsurely the number of people doesn't matter, it's the qualities you bring08:40
tsimpsonstill, worth throwing your hat in if it's something you want to go for08:41
MenZaWhile the Community may only very, very indirectly have a say in the matter, I still think it's fair that the community has the ability to see who's looking to get, er, picked08:41
* MenZa would recommend it!08:41
tonyyarussotsimpson: Not total number - number that I would rather see doing it than myself.08:42
MenZaThat and, well, if you're planning on running for IRCC, surely you'd want the community to know what you stand for.08:42
tonyyarussoie, in the matter of "Tony V. Someoneelse", if I think I may disagree with the CC's pick, I'd rather avoid giving them the opportunity to choose :P08:42
tsimpsonubuntu members will be able to voice their opinion on nominations, probably at the meeting to decide who's in though08:45
tsimpsonyou'd need to get the CC to publicise the nominations otherwise08:45
ikoniaI'm a little dissapointed in how this irc-cc situation is being presented08:49
tsimpsonin what way?08:52
ikoniathe requirments for the irc-cc08:52
ikoniathe requirement to not be an acitve op (we're currently missing good ops due to this)08:52
ikoniafew things about it dissapoint me08:53
tonyyarussowait, what?08:53
tsimpsonbeing a member of the IRCC makes one an op08:54
tonyyarussoHow is not requiring active ops making us missing good ops?08:54
ikoniatonyyarusso: no it doesnt08:54
tsimpsonin an ideal world an council member would also be an Ubuntu operator, but it's not technically needed08:54
ikoniaI can't get at the wiki at the moment it appears down08:54
ikoniatonyyarusso: I agree that's not needed at all08:55
* tsimpson is not tonyyarusso08:55
ikoniatonyyarusso: it's helpful, but not need08:55
tonyyarussoikonia: than can you explain your comment from xx:52:48?08:55
ikoniahowever backing the irc-cc away from active op duties is pointless08:55
ikoniaand counter prodictive08:55
ikoniamore so when the current CC are actually good ops08:56
ikoniabut it's hard to discuss without access to the wiki08:56
macoikonia: use wiki.kubuntu.org?08:56
Flannelhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/IrcCouncilChanges08:58
Flanneljust ignore the certificate error08:58
Flannel(If I magically got through, I can pastebin)08:58
FlannelActually, I'll just do it anyway08:58
tsimpsonhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/332202/08:59
Flannelhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/332203/08:59
Flannel:P08:59
Flanneltsimpson: Interesting that our timestamps are an hour apart09:00
tsimpsonand it's definitely not 02:59:13 UTC09:00
tsimpsonor my system clock (and the sun) are very wrong09:00
jussi01ikonia: its a good thing really, it isnt saying "you must never do op duties" its more, your job is changing slightly, so concentrate on the governance thing so you arent blinded by the frontline duties. Just as you dont see the cheif of police out there arresting a criminal, but he has the power to.09:00
macoor she09:01
BactaHello ikonia09:03
* tonyyarusso is glad some languages don't have this he/she idiocy09:03
jussi01tonyyarusso: like finnish09:04
Madpilotfinnish has a neuter singular? cool. beats the English overuse of "they"!09:05
tonyyarussojussi01: and Ojibwe09:05
macoMadpilot:  "Just as you dont see the cheif of police out there arresting a criminal, but ze has the power to." ...better?09:05
tsimpsonwe could use "it", but that's just insulting :p09:05
tonyyarussoOjibwe doesn't have any concept of gender in the general form at all - only when you make it into things like "daughter" or "male cousin".09:05
Madpilotmaco, yeah, ze or zhe hasn't really caught on, though. still a neologism for most.09:06
bazhangforkbomb?09:06
macobazhang: yes09:06
tsimpsonit is09:06
bazhangintentional or no09:06
jussi01lads, we've someone here to help, well ikonia does, so pipe down for a sec09:06
jussi01Bacta: hi09:07
tsimpsonbazhang: very intentional09:07
jussi01and ladies maco :D09:07
BactaHello09:07
Bactayou folks seem a bit more chipper than usual09:07
BactaIf ikonia isn't around i can come back later on perhaps09:08
jussi01Bacta: he's been active, maybe pop back in about 1/2 hour?09:09
Bactawill do09:09
Bactathanks09:09
Madpilotis he still trying to get his bans lifted?09:10
bazhangyep09:10
Madpilothmm09:10
bazhangquelle surprise. Timbauns is in #archlinux-offtopic09:12
FlannelHe's also not in #ubuntu anymore, so it's no big deal09:14
bazhangand now discussing it (the forkbomb)09:14
* MenZa sighs.09:14
jussi01move on.09:16
MenZaThe wiki is still bungee-jumping for me. Whether be that kubuntu, or ubuntu.09:16
* MenZa growls.09:16
tsimpsonit's whatever proxy thing the're using, probably timing-out09:19
macothe load balancer is overloaded?09:20
Madpilotunbalanced, you mean?09:20
tsimpsonor it needs to be reloaded09:20
ubottumaco called the ops in #ubuntu (jizzinmy1ants OT floods)09:32
Madpilotmaco, aren't you an #u op?09:32
macono, im a #k op09:32
tsimpsonerm, jizzinmy1ants is quite an inappropriate nick09:33
macoyeah...09:33
bazhangthe real name is charming as well09:33
macoi was trying to say jizzack but Madpilot had already kicked09:34
tsimpsonlucky, without that we probably wouldn't have noticed the other nick09:36
tsimpson(is someone talking to them?)09:36
Madpilotjust pinged mr jizz in #u09:37
Madpilotif I don't get a response in a few minutes, I'll /remove with "come back with a less inappropriate nick, thanks"09:37
jussi01good to see people still remember to PM before kicking/removing. it is most important.09:41
macojussi01: it wasnt pm... Madpilot asked in-channel09:42
jussi01fine "communicating" then :)09:42
maco^_^09:42
Madpilothe had five min, is either AFK or ignoring me. So mr jizz is out of #u09:43
tsimpsonI think maybe /kick would be more appropriate there09:43
Madpilotjust did09:43
tsimpsonno, you /remove'd09:43
tsimpsonmost clients will not show the message after parting the channel09:43
Madpilotspeaking of #u, we need to add maco to the access list there. apparently she doesn't mind hanging out with gnome users.09:44
Madpilottsimpson, really? xchat does on /remove, I know.09:44
tsimpsononly if you keep the tab open09:45
Madpilotmy opscript uses /remove by default, not sure what the command for an actual /kick is. shall have to see.09:46
tsimpsonyou op, /kick <nick> <message>, deop :)09:47
Madpilotyes, I know, I know. or I do a one-line /cs k <nick> <msg> and let the script do the heavy lifting :)09:48
tsimpsonit would be nice to maybe do /cs k -k <nick> <message>, to get a real "kick"09:48
macoor /cs K09:49
macoversus /cs k09:49
macoor is case sensitivity not possible?09:49
jussi01case and irc...09:49
tsimpsoncomm = word[1].lower()09:49
tsimpsonso it's made lower case09:49
Madpilotnot sure, I use chanserv.py - just looking at the comments in it now09:49
jussi01Madpilot: the ops appointment procedures are in the middle of changing, as discussed at UDS. So unless theres an emergency, no ops will be added until thats done IMHO.09:50
* tsimpson can probably edit the script09:50
tsimpsonthe update URL seems broken too09:50
bazhangit is09:51
Madpilotyeah, it's Seveas' old script, and looks like he's not maintaining it anymore09:51
bazhanghttp://www.kaarsemaker.net/downloads/code/chanserv.py he is actually09:52
bazhanginstalling python-dns gives more functionality09:53
tsimpsonit hasn't been updated since Aug 2008 apparently09:54
Madpilotthe version I've got is even older than that :)09:55
bazhangwell relative to the version I had when I began as operator :)09:57
Madpilotfar as I can tell I'm still using the version that was current when I started as an op in early '0609:58
Madpilotgah, have I really been doing this nonsense for 3+ years?09:59
Madpilot:)09:59
* jussi01 hands Madpilot a IRC version of a walking frame...10:14
tonyyarussoMadpilot: inorite?10:18
tonyyarussoI think we started close to the same time actually10:18
tonyyarussoah, same year at least, but you in Q1 and me in Q4.10:19
* tonyyarusso notes that the Launchpad team doesn't accurately reflect current membership status10:21
* tonyyarusso stares in disbelief at LP's claim that he's been an op slightly longer than Pricey 10:22
macothats possible?10:23
tonyyarussoApparently.  By about 3 1/2 weeks.10:23
MenZaLaunchpad says I registered on 2009-10-23.10:23
MenZa>:(10:23
macoO_o10:23
MenZaI had two accounts merged.10:23
macooh10:24
macoand it chose the newer one?10:24
tonyyarussoNo, MenZa chose the newer one.  You get to pick.10:25
MenZaI was ~menza. I'm ~lhavelund now.10:25
MenZaI prefer that.10:25
MenZaIt'll also look nicer with lhavelund@ubuntu.com than menza@ubuntu.com ;)10:26
macoMenZa: you can always change what your lpid is10:26
MenZamaco: I had a PPA, so I couldn't10:26
macooh10:26
MenZaI don't honestly care, though.10:26
tonyyarussolol e-mail on LUG mailing list: "Apparently some company that serviced "enterprise" hardware skipped10:27
tonyyarussoout on rent and disappeared, leaving a warehouse full of stuff which a10:27
tonyyarussostupid paste.10:27
tonyyarussofriend now has access to for the next month before it's all junked.10:27
tonyyarussoAnyone need RAM modules for an S/390?10:29
macoyou have a mainframe?10:29
tonyyarussoNo, but apparently somebody did.10:31
tonyyarussoFull e-mail:  http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2009-December/057005.html10:32
macoi work for the company that ported linux to s39010:36
tonyyarussoPerhaps you can answer this then - when you port a kernel, is it a one-time thing, or do you have to port each new thing too?11:11
tsimpsonwhatever happened to Jack_Sparrow?11:41
jussi01Havent seen him for a good while11:44
jussi01I remeber him saying there was some reason for him not being around, but I cant remember the reason now11:45
tsimpsonhaven't seen him since june11:48
MenZajussi01: lmao12:16
Amaranthtonyyarusso: You have to continually port new things added to the core kernel otherwise you'll either lack features or get pulled from the kernel for being out of date12:16
MenZajussi01: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8To-6VIJZRE&h=e94ec2bf148a08454ac6c95656c6ac8512:58
MenZaer12:58
MenZaJust... that last bit.12:58
dholbachtonyyarusso: the re-staffing of the IRC C is not an election this time around, because there's no clear set of "members" that are approved by the IRC C or a clearly governed group of people who could vote13:19
dholbachtonyyarusso: cases where it's clear are for example motu and the motu council or the CC and ubuntumembers, etc.13:20
dholbachbut approving members based on their contributions in IRC was discussed at UDS, so I'm sure it's a possibility in the future13:20
Tm_Tdholbach: you mean it's not clear if irc-ops votes the council coverning them?13:21
dholbachI agree that nomination/election/restaffing etc could be clearer defined or explained at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation13:21
dholbachthere will be no vote this time around13:21
Tm_Tdholbach: yes, but you said that there's no vote because... and I'm asking to make sure I understood right13:21
dholbachthe governance of the teams (irc ops, ~ubuntu-irc, etc.) is not as clear as in other parts of the community13:22
Tm_Tdholbach: roger, that I understand well13:23
dholbachI'm sure this is going to be better and the process more straight-forward in the future13:23
dholbachthere was a great discussion at UDS, so I'm quite confident :)13:23
Tm_Tdholbach: so in the future, the voters would be who? or this is not decided yet?13:24
dholbachI'm not making plans for the IRC Council + Community Council now, but I would expect that it'd be some kind "ubuntumembers by contributing to IRC" which includes ops and others13:25
dholbachI'm sure there's going to be more discussion about during the cycle13:25
Tm_Tdholbach: good, I hope it's not ops alone, that would limit the "point from the outside"13:26
Tm_Tdholbach: thanks for answering (:13:26
dholbachI'm sure there's various ways that constitute sustained and significant contributions in IRC land13:27
dholbachno worries :)13:27
Tm_Tyup (:13:27
Tm_TI think IRC is one of those parts of Ubuntu community that are most difficult to draw lines in case like this13:28
dholbachI'm sure we'll come up with something good together13:31
Tm_TI think so too13:31
Tm_Twe just have to be extra careful and verbose in documentation13:32
Tm_Tso other's know too what are exactly the rules13:32
dholbachI have an action item to dig out all the Membership documentation we have elsewhere and we can use that a basis and see what needs specialising13:33
dholbachand in another action item we're refining the Membership documentation right now13:33
dholbachbecause of some weird myths out there :)13:33
bazhangafaik ubuntu members by IRC has already  happened in a number of cases13:38
dholbachsure it did, but not through a process overseen by the IRC C13:38
dholbachwithout doubt we have lots of great people contributing through IRC :)13:39
* dholbach hugs y'all13:39
FlannelI'm not sure that IRCC handling memberships is really pertinent.  Those people can seek membership through their regional boards, and IRC people can come cheer for them.13:39
FlannelI imagine very few people are active only in IRC, so they'd be having other things contribute to that membership anyway.  Just seems like useless redundancy.13:40
dholbachFlannel: I definitely think it's a good idea for a number of reasons: 1) a board makes that call who actively works with those contributors, 2) it's important that that board recognises those contributions, 3) you build expertise as a team and build a good team atmosphere that way, 4) you find good leadership potential in that group, etc.13:41
dholbachthere's maybe one or two people a month who'd like to become ubuntumembers and ask the motu council to have a look at their contributions13:42
dholbachI wouldn't call that redundant at all13:42
dholbachthey don't have to come to the MC, but they can if they like13:43
FlannelI don't see how they couldn't just apply for membership with their regional boards, and have other MOTU people (perhaps MOTU council) come and cheerlead for them.13:43
dholbachthey can13:43
FlannelRight, but what benefit do they get by just going to MOTU council?13:43
dholbachthe motu council in most cases have much better insight into their contributions13:44
FlannelI just see added beuracracy for the sake of beuracracy. (the MOTU having membership responsibilities, not MOTU council in general)13:44
dholbachlike the kubuntu council does for kubuntu members13:44
dholbachor the edubuntu council13:44
dholbach?13:44
FlannelWhy won't the regional boards just call on the expertise of those other councilmembers and take their word for it?13:44
dholbachthe motu council approves membership of developers too13:44
FlannelRight.13:44
dholbachthat's membership too13:44
dholbachit includes membership13:45
FlannelThat's technical, and obviously something non-technical people ought not to be in charge of.13:45
FlannelAlright, so maybe MOTU was a bad example13:45
dholbachthere's a lot of good in a team that constitutes of people who contributed to IRC in a significant and sustained way13:45
dholbachdon't you think?13:45
FlannelI just don't see giving every council membership responsibilities as pertinent.13:45
dholbachwhy shouldn't those people be recognised with ubuntu membership?13:46
Flanneldholbach: I agree, I don't see how that's relevant to IRCC approving Ubuntu members.13:46
Flanneldholbach: They should be.13:46
dholbachright13:46
dholbachI think there's a lot of value in a team like that13:46
dholbachbecaues it makes elections, polls, etc a lot easier13:47
FlannelI don't see why to be a "team" you have to have the power to approve your 'own' ubuntu members13:47
dholbachand as I see it, it should be governed by the IRC Council13:47
dholbachthat's the setup we have in other parts of the community and it seems to work out well13:47
dholbachwhat is your major concern? to me it just has advantages13:47
FlannelYes, but at some point there's no need to expand that portion of governance further.13:47
dholbachthere's always a lot of stuff to do and people stepping down and our community is growing by the day13:48
dholbachI don't see "we have too much governance" as the problem we have today :)13:48
Flanneldholbach: And how is that relevant to the IRCC granting memberships?13:48
FlannelPeople stepping down, fine, we need to replace them.13:49
dholbachI personally feel the process of building that community should be overseen by IRC C13:49
FlannelCommunity growing, fine, we have regional membership boards.  They aren't overflowing13:49
dholbachbut as I said "I'm not making any rules" here and it should be a longer and separate discussion13:49
FlannelI'm sure the number of people going to each respective board ebbs and flows, but they're not bursting13:50
dholbachI don't see that as an argument against councils approving their share of people who specifically are doing something in their part of the community13:53
dholbachas an MC member, to me it's important talking to those people during their membership application13:53
dholbachand RMB people are happy they can defer those folks to us13:53
topylithe regional boards are not necessarily aware of more "virtual" contributions of newly applying members, to the extent that the ircc is13:54
dholbachyou also get a much better overview of your community like who's active, etc13:54
dholbachtopyli: what do you mean by "virtual contributions"?13:54
topylimaybe someone has done a lot of work online, but hasn't been very active in their loco, for example13:54
dholbachahhh ok13:55
Flanneltopyli: And what's from keeping IRC people from just cheering them at regional boards?13:55
topylidholbach, i'm thinking about my own membership application which happens to be a topic on the emea board this evening. my contributions are irc work and international advocacy in the academic world for a significant part13:55
topyliFlannel, hopefully nothing :)13:56
Flanneltopyli: I don't think there's ever been a problem because of it (of course, I have no data to back this up).13:56
topylijust sayin'. your discussion here is much more general, i'm just adding a little detail13:56
Flannel"it might become a problem at some point in the future if you squint and tilt your head to the side" just doesn't seem like a good enough reason13:57
topylidon't mock my hackergotchi! :)13:57
dholbachfor example to the MC it's important that applicants work with the team and are team players. I'm not saying the RMB don't know how to judge those applications right, but I guess the MC sometimes can ask more specific questions too. But that's not the major reason for me at all - I look at it more from a "building your part of the community" perspective13:57
dholbachand as Flannel said: this shouldn't stop anybody from applying at an RMB meeting13:58
dholbach... if it's more convenient or whatever13:58
* dholbach should go back to writing specs :-/13:58
Flanneldholbach: Right, but I don't agree with governance for the sake of governance.13:59
dholbachit's not what I said13:59
Flannel"governance" in that sentence would generalize to "IRCC approving members" not IRCC in general14:00
dholbachI named a number of reasons, having a team of contributors to a specific part of the community you can rely on is a major reason and major improvement to me14:01
dholbacha clear process with clear expectations on contributions and recognising those contributions as a part of the community and taking pride of them is important too14:02
dholbachand I wouldn't call that "bureaucracy14:02
dholbach"14:02
FlannelI don't see a reason why going to a RMB for membership means you're not a part of the IRC "team of contributors"14:02
dholbachI'm proud of "contributing developer" (which includes Ubuntu membership) and we welcome those people to the community14:03
dholbachif there was a ubuntu-irc-members team (part of ubuntumembers), I really think it should be governed by the ubuntu irc council14:03
FlannelAnyway, now I'm repeating myself, and its 6am, both of those generally are good signs its time for me to stop14:03
dholbachand rules applying to that part of the community14:03
FlannelIf there was, yes.  But I don't see any reason to create one.14:04
dholbachright, I do :)14:04
Flannel"Oh, sorry, you got your membership from your LoCo contributions, you can't be part of the irc team"14:04
FlannelIt just creates artificial divisions, even if they are only percieved14:04
dholbachit doesn't14:04
topylidholbach, maybe you really should write a spec, so that everyone really knows what you mean14:05
dholbachwe always said that every kind of contributions to Ubuntu are welcome and make you an Ubuntu member14:05
dholbachbut if you specifically want to be ubuntu irc member, you should demonstrate what you've been doing there14:05
dholbachtopyli: there will be a spec and I'll contribute to it14:05
topyligreat14:06
deserteaglehello all15:31
deserteaglei was told I could post a request here for #ubuntu, is this correct?15:31
jussi01deserteagle: sure15:32
jussi01deserteagle: however, if its for the bot, you can pm the bot with !your-factoid is <reply> factoid suggestion goes here15:33
deserteaglegreat! I'd like to know if the topic of #ubuntu could have something along the lines of "Welcome to #ubuntu, a support channel for ubuntu technical questions. Please take rants, comments and viewpoints to #ubuntu-offtopic"15:33
jadakren"!pastebinit" bang command needs to include the notice that it is not installed by default15:34
jpdsdeserteagle: Doens't sound very nice.15:35
deserteaglealright, how about "Please limit discussion to technical questions and support, all other comments can be made at #ubuntu-offtopic"?15:36
deserteaglei'm no guru or expert, but people ranting away interrupt those who are genuinely trying to get some help15:36
jussi01deserteagle: we have the !ot factoid for good reason15:37
deserteagletrue... i guess it's still a moot point as I have seen people ranting long after !ot factoids have been forwarded to them, and with the IRC guidelines on topic =\15:39
tsimpsonif they ignore people  sending them !ot, they'll definitely ignore the topic15:39
tsimpsonplus the topic can only be a certain length at the most15:40
deserteagle:(15:40
deserteaglecan they be kicked for not following rules?15:40
tsimpsonif one of us is watching, or you call the ops15:40
tsimpsonif someone is constantly offtopic, or breaking other rules. the best thing to do is use the ops trigger15:41
deserteaglewhat's a good judgement call for an op?15:42
deserteagle10 lines off topic?15:42
tsimpsonif the user has been asked to stay on topic already, then they have already been warned15:43
tsimpsonand 10 lines is far too much anyway15:43
deserteagle5?15:43
tsimpsonthere is no fixed limit15:43
tsimpsonwe are human and will use human judgement :)15:43
deserteaglealright, thank you for the guidance :D15:44
tsimpsonno problem15:44
deserteaglecheers!15:44
jadakrenhow about the pastebinit ubottu command? its a fairly useful pathway to get newcomers to sanely provide command line out put yet the ubottu command doesn't mention that it requires installing to work first15:47
tsimpson!pastebinit15:48
ubottupastebinit is the command-line equivelent of !pastebin . Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output. Simple usage: command-name | pastebinit15:48
jadakrensee it implies that it's installed by default15:48
jadakreni leave it with you15:49
Tm_Tit's actually shame it's not installed by default15:50
jussi01big shame15:50
tsimpson!no pastebinit is the command-line equivelent of !pastebin . Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output. To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit  » package from a package manager. Simple usage: command-name | pastebinit15:51
ubottuI'll remember that tsimpson15:51
tsimpson!pastebinit15:51
ubottupastebinit is the command-line equivelent of !pastebin . Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output. To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit  » package from a package manager. Simple usage: command-name | pastebinit15:51
tsimpsonhmm, I don't really like the "...of !pastebin . Command..." part15:52
tsimpsonspace-dot-space seems like too much punctuation15:52
tsimpsonand we can't use '|' as a separator, because it's used as part of a command...15:53
Picidash?15:53
tsimpsonpastebinit is the command-line equivelent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit  » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command-name | pastebinit15:54
tsimpsonmaybe, yeah15:54
Tm_Tcommand-name ?15:55
Tm_Twould it be just command ? as command-name in my mind means only the command name, not the whole command15:56
tsimpson!no pastebinit is the command-line equivelent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit  » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit15:57
ubottuI'll remember that tsimpson15:57
tsimpson!pastebinit15:57
ubottupastebinit is the command-line equivelent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit  » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit15:57
tsimpsonthat looks better15:57
Tm_Ttsimpson: btw there's doublespace: « pastebinit  »15:58
tsimpson!pastebinit ~= s/  / /15:59
ubottuI'll remember that tsimpson15:59
tsimpson!pastebinit15:59
ubottupastebinit is the command-line equivelent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit15:59
tsimpsonwoo, it worked15:59
Tm_Tnice, it did work well (:15:59
Tm_TI was expecting some weird behaviour somehow15:59
tsimpsonsecretly, so was I15:59
ubottukostkon called the ops in #ubuntu (aula nicks are bots)17:36
jpdsxchat on Ubuntu according to CTCP.17:37
jpdsPici: Well, it said it wanted to go home. :)17:38
ikoniaubottu's gone again18:33
ikoniahow annoying18:33
m4vhi, I guess somebody read it already from #ubuntu-irc, I'm having a problem with D-coy in #kubuntu18:33
ikonialets look18:34
ikoniaspeaking to him in PM nw18:34
ikonianow18:34
ikoniathank you for that18:34
ikoniam4v: did he do anything else apart from the one line asking for locations ?18:35
m4vfor locations? he just hightlights me for no reason18:35
ikoniayes, I understand that, did he do anything else that I'm not aware of18:36
m4vin other LoCo channels he insults me18:36
ikoniawhich ones ?18:36
m4vI banned him for that reason in 3 #ubuntu-es* channels18:36
ikonia(just getting context as I'm speaking to him)18:36
m4vso he goes to other channels where I'm not op18:37
ikoniaI see18:37
m4v#ubuntu-mx and #ubuntu-ar18:37
ikoniaI'm trying to speak to him now18:37
m4vI talked to him before asking in u-irc, he was like "you banned me and you now want me to stop?"18:39
ikoniam4v: yes, I'm not getting a good response from him now18:39
m4vwe talked to him before in #ubuntu-es-ops, he's not cooperative18:40
ikoniam4v: he's removed - his attitude in pm was not right18:41
m4vikonia: thank you, I'll have to contact the ops of the other channels next18:42
m4vikonia: he goes by the nick of MBSTO as well btw18:42
m4vI'll leaving then, thanks again18:43
m4vI'll be*18:44
PiciEd54: How can we help you?18:55
Priceytonyyarusso: I'm not exactly an old timer?19:04
Picijpds: ping19:05
PiciAnyone else here besides jpds have access to ubot4/ubot2 ?19:20
jussi01Pici: Ive started a backup bot. no idea of its db currency19:33
jussi01waitng for it to sync19:33
Piciroger that19:33
Picijussi01: its not identified19:33
MenZajussi01: I have the latest ubottu db if that's any use to you19:34
* MenZa downloads hourly19:34
MenZajussi01: http://lassehavelund.com/ubottu.db19:34
jussi01MenZa: first im going to try get her to identify...19:40
MenZaheh19:40
* jussi01 sighs19:51
Picijussi01: looks like ubottu.com is back up19:56
jussi01Pici: thanks, ubottu on her way back19:58
MenZafor anyone who feel like giving me a shout along the way, I'll be having my membership application processed in -meeting soon20:02
jussi01oho, I forgot about it :d20:03
jussi01thanks for reminding me20:03
MenZa:D20:06
* gord votes denied, not enough useless organs in MenZa's body20:38
MenZa:[20:38
jussi01hehe20:38
jussi01hiya gord20:38
jussi01for that, you get -1 ponies20:38
gordpfft i don't have a say anyway, not a member :)20:39
ubottusebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (lenswipe)21:27
Priceyi know of that guy21:30
FlannelYes, yes indeed.21:32
Priceymithered me on msn for quite some time21:36
ubottuIn ubottu, LjL said: !grub is =~ s|https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2|https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2|22:41
ubottuslangasek called the ops in #ubuntu-devel (garrythefish)23:11
ubottuIn ubottu, tsimpson said: no grub2 is <reply> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub223:18
Daviey23:05:30 < garrythefish> a bunch of lesbos banned me from #ubuntu-women. can't believe it23:19
tsimpson@whoami23:19
tsimpson@login23:19
ubottuError: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.23:19
tsimpsonlies!23:19
Pici-devel taken care of23:21
jpdsMenZa: I hope you rsync the db.23:23
jpdsPici: No, only I do.23:23
Picijpds: don't need it anymore anyway :)23:23
tsimpsonoh joy, ubottu has forgotten most of it's users...23:25
* tsimpson gets his hammer ready23:25
FlannelMr The Fish visited -ot23:26
Daviey23:26:31 -!- garrythefish [n=fisher@unaffiliated/garrythefish] has joined #ubuntu-meeting23:27
Daviey23:26:39 < garrythefish> not enough real drilling23:27
Daviey23:26:41 < garrythefish> that's what's the problem with the lesbos at #ubuntu-women23:27
FlannelOh joy, making the rounds.23:27
Pici...23:27
jpds23:27:30 [Freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You are not authorized to perform this operation.23:27
jpdsNOOOOO.23:27
Daviey23:27:29 -!- garrythefish [n=fisher@unaffiliated/garrythefish] has joined #ubuntu-uk23:28
Daviey23:27:36 < garrythefish> not enough real drilling23:28
pleia2Pici: did you see the gem that got him removed from -women? ugh23:28
Daviey23:27:42 < garrythefish> that's what's the problem with the lesbos at #ubuntu-women23:28
Picipleia2: I missed it, was afk.23:28
pleia217:58:14 < garrythefish> whoa! women can use computers?23:28
pleia2etc23:28
Pici*rolleyes*23:28
FlannelPricey, you (and the council) are really the only ones with access in -meeting23:28
Picihes not there anymore anyway23:29
FlannelOh wait, popey is awake.23:29
Davieyin #ubuntu-server23:29
Davieysame lines.23:29
Flanneland -bugs, but he left23:29
jpdsFlannel: Why are you stalking alan?23:29
Flanneljpds: What?23:30
pleia2jpds: because he's so loveable :)23:30
jpdspleia2: That is true, yes.23:30
jpdsubottu is dead!23:33
Flannellong live ubottu!23:33
jpds...and just came back.23:33
* tsimpson waits for it to excess flood23:33
jpds23:34:10 [!] garrythefish (Garry the Fish) [n=fisher@unaffiliated/garrythefish] has joined #ubuntu-classroom23:34
jpds23:34:26 < garrythefish> not enough drilling23:34
jpds23:34:35 < garrythefish> that's what's the problem with the lesbos at #ubuntu-women23:34
jpdsand -desktop.23:35
Pici!staff | please see above23:35
Piciargh23:35
jpdsWhy is ubot3 dead?23:37
Picinal isn't online23:37
Flannelhe just bounced in and out of -locoteams23:37
ubottuplease see above: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :)23:37
Daviey(or Pricey)23:38
jpdsDaviey: Yeah, but he's rather pricey.23:38
Davieyoutta my league.23:38
* mneptok has no access to -classroom or -desktop23:39
ubottuLjL called the ops in #ubuntuforums (garrythefish)23:39
FlannelI thought ubuntuforums did their own thing with regard to ops23:39
* Flannel must be living in the past.23:39
ubottulikemindead called the ops in #xubuntu (ban garrythefish, please?)23:39
tomawhe's doing the same in all those channels?23:39
jpdstomaw: Yes.23:39
tomawany more after 23:37 UTC?23:41
jpdstomaw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/332685/23:41
Flanneltomaw: ops was called in #ubuntuforums and #xubuntu after that, but I'm not in either of those channels to know for sure23:41
mneptok-devel was hit, as well23:42
mneptok(Pici got that)23:42
Piciand +1, and #kubuntu and -server23:42
PiciI muted in those though23:42
FlannelI already banned him on -ot23:43
Davieyjpds: heh, i was creating a grep log :)23:44
mneptokDaviey: your bathroom habits are of no concern as regards this issue23:44
Daviey:o23:45
elkyugh23:45
tsimpsonI'm going to have to take ubottu down for a little while while I fix some issues23:45
* jpds ponders throwing a supybot into EC2 for testing.23:46
Flannelsupybots.. in... spaaace.....23:48
Flanneloh, no, the clouds, nevermind.23:49
elkyelastic supybots23:49
PiciI should setup a bot clone here too23:50
* niko like supybot23:51
* jpds doesn't.23:51
nikothere is some issues in the core, but, a good bot :)23:51
jpdsniko: Yeah... fix those and it will be fine.23:51
nikoi did some in the past, but it's hard to move stuff when you change server23:52
Picithanks again tomaw23:54
tomawnp23:54
tomawlet someone know if he returns23:54
PiciWe will23:54

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