[00:59] elky: ping [01:00] montel_, it hasn't been 'a few days' yet. [01:01] elky: are you kidding? [01:01] why would I be kidding? [01:04] Because you're a natural-born joker? [01:04] elky: dont you think this a little overexaggeration? [01:05] montel_, no. [01:05] I posted a link. Yeah, it was bad but it has been like 3 days [01:05] you've demonstrated to the beginners team that you're not capable of learning how to behave. why should i unleash you back on to a 1500 person channel? [01:06] elky: the only time that i was really bad in the beginners team is when paultag pissed me off [01:09] montel_, how many times were you assigned a mentor? [01:10] twice. my frist one was never on so i got another [01:10] and why were they unable to help you behave? [01:14] montel_? [01:15] I dont know elky [01:17] then how can I trust that you will behave? You dont know why you cant behave, or why you cant learn. until we can identify what makes you choose to harm others when you're bored, i'm not confident I can let you back in. [01:18] about me [01:18] I know i can behave, I just have to try and keep myself occupied elky. I think the reason why i got in trouble in the beginners is because people like paultag,snova, hellow lukjad007 would just talk crap all the time [01:19] montel_, you cant blame others for your own actions. === montel_ is now known as mdeonte [01:21] I know, and i am not,elky, im just giving the reason [01:22] the reason being it's someone else's fault you misbehaved because they talk crap? puhleese. [01:22] elky: No, they provoke me [01:23] so who provoked you to rickroll #ubuntu? [01:24] Nobody, i was bored, tired and wasnt thinking [01:26] so what's to say you're not going to do the same thing next time you're bored, tired and not thinking? [01:27] elky: Come on, just give me another chanc [01:27] chance [01:43] peeps, votes on montel please. [01:48] You know my view already [01:51] ok, my dilemma is this. we're effectively extending his #u ban for his -beginners behaviour. im not comfortable with that, but at the same time, i dont have the time or energy to babysit [01:55] hrmm [01:59] Howdy Ed54, how can we help you today? [01:59] oh, i was banned from #ubuntu for having scripts on [01:59] haven't gotten around to fixing them, thinking i'll just leave it alone [01:59] Ed54: Alright, please don't idle here then. [02:02] 19:20:34 [ mdeonte] tronyx: all of you in the fricken beginners team are the same. assholes [02:02] this is a chicago dude unfortunately :( [02:02] err, that was the wrong paste :) [02:02] 19:25:54 [ mdeonte] tronyx: I wish you were in chicago. i would seriously kick your ass [02:03] not wrong, complimentary :-/ [02:03] that's the one I wanted....how do you get rid of those freenode users the safe way, as we have cool people who actually use that service [02:03] I think there is more as well [02:03] 19:17:02 [ montel_] tronyx: seriously, this is the same shit paultag did which got me banned again. just shut the hell up [02:03] oh ya, there is more...all of the same dribble it seems [02:04] nixternal, is there a logbot in there? [02:04] !logs [02:04] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [02:04] no there isn't, and for good reason :) [02:04] there are quite a few free spirited people who don't want to be logged :) [02:04] protecting abusive behaviour isn't really "good reason" [02:05] not protecting anything, just people don't want to be logged...that is why we removed it a couple of years ago [02:05] that was the first time we have experienced anything like that in the 4 years we have been around [02:05] * genii thinks about unprotective unreasonable "logs" [02:06] this is chicago, so there is a ton of smack talk in there too :) [02:06] the channel isn't always productive to say the least [02:06] nixternal, what precisely did tronyx say that was "the same" as paultag did? [02:06] 19:14:04 [ skiquel] this is a violation of montel's civil rights [02:06] 19:14:17 [ tronyx] you have to be civil to have such rights [02:07] that's all I see that my buddy said [02:07] nixternal, the problem with smack talk is when you get people who can't see the line and overstep it [02:07] nixternal, let me guess, skiquel was bitching about montel still being banned? [02:07] skiquel is a clueless friend of mine, never mind what he says [02:08] nixternal, i'm more interested in the topic surrounding it. [02:08] * nixternal looks deeper [02:09] basically, has montel gone crying to -chicago because i didn't give him what he wanted? [02:09] * genii sips [02:09] no, he didn't cry, he just flipped out [02:09] tronyx must have experienced all of his previous bans and his g-line that I didn't even know about [02:10] tronyx was pretty much telling montel what he was doing wrong [02:10] and that is when montel snapped [02:11] le sigh. [03:47] nixternal, still around? [04:03] elky: yes [04:04] nixternal, did you or someone else deal with montel in -chicago or not? [04:04] he left on his own before you contacted me earlier [04:04] aha [04:05] may i recommend that something be done in that channel for those threats? [04:05] such as? [04:06] seems he is using that freenode web crap, how can I ban just him? [04:06] similarly to how mibbit used to be banned. [04:06] we have others though that use the web crap that are legit [04:06] nhandler is staff, he should be fluent with it. :P [04:07] nhandler: take care of the light work then :) [04:07] or I won't give your jacket back! [04:07] Need something? [04:07] * elky goes to find if there's documentation on freenode web stuff [04:07] s/stuff/crap/ :) [04:08] nixternal: If you have a recent version of autobleh, it should know what to do ;) [04:08] nhandler, banning web gateway users. cliffs notes howto :) [04:08] nhandler: link to a recent version? as the version I have is from like 2000 probably :) [04:09] you'll have to wait until he's online though for auto_bleh [04:09] nixternal: Here is my autobleh.pl http://paste.ubuntu.com/332100/ [04:12] elky: Here is what it looks like when a recent autobleh.pl is used to ban a gateway: http://paste.ubuntu.com/332102/ [04:13] right, so the hash is in the ident? [04:15] elky: Pretty much, by banning in this way, they can't just quit and rejoin. The 63156b5e is based on my IP address [04:15] nhandler, yeah, "the hash" :) [04:16] nixternal, try /mode +b *!d87d9902@ gateway/web/freenode/* and if you want to forward him to somewhere to be mediated, add !#ubuntu-irc or similar to the end (without space) [04:17] since he's left, forwarding him to somewhere he can be mediated is strongly advisable, since he misses the luxury of a remove message :) [04:17] err, /mode +b *!d87d9902@gateway/web/freenode/* [04:18] elky: elky The @gateway/web/freenode/* part isn't really needed. There is a small chance that a random user will join with their username set to that [04:18] (although it doesn't really hurt either) [04:19] nhandler, aye, but it's also impossible to tell when cleaning out why random string is banned if you leave it off :) [04:19] someone can see at a glance it's a ban via freenode's gateway, not an ancient mibbit ban, or some other random string kind of ban [04:20] elky: Well, to each his own (in terms of tracking that stuff). Some channels have a bot to track that, other people prefer to use a script/bot to automatically unban the person after X miutes/hours [04:20] * nhandler goes back to doing work. Ping me if you need me again [04:20] nhandler, we have the bantracker, yeah, but it's slooooooooooow [04:21] elky: I wasn't even directly referring to that (I've never even used it ;) ) [04:22] nhandler, hopefully you will be able to one day when we get all the problems out of it (although i think your staffyness gives you access now) [04:24] we had a great session at uds on bantracker2 :) [04:24] tsimpson, does btlogin recognise just the normal staff cloak or the secondary staff cloak as well? [04:27] pleia2, yeah, once we vanquish sqlite, we'll be happy :P [04:31] elky: secondary? [04:31] you know, the stuff.morestuff.nick [04:31] does that make it barf? nhandler got no response [04:32] it only works with the normal one afaik [04:32] but I should be able to add it I guess [04:32] *!*@*/freenode.staff.* right? [04:32] tsimpson: *!*@freenode/staff/* [04:32] ahh, that _should_ already work [04:33] tsimpson, i'd imagine so, but i did also read nhandlers around the wrong way. still not sure why ubottu ddin't respond to him [04:33] but I think supybot doesn't like more than one nick matching the cloak [04:33] /ban *!*@*/freenode/staff/* [04:33] at least with bt2 we won't need the btlogin hack [04:35] I think we'll really need to patch supybot to support more than one user per-hostmask [04:35] but I'll need to dig into the code to find where that is, and supybot is seriously undocumented [04:54] I think it [04:55] *it's actually to do with the fact that some staff have a "real" account with the bot [04:55] and the hostmasks clash with multiple "users" [05:08] well it needs to get over that :P [06:21] Something just happened in #ubuntu. Wolter and SpacePigeon exchanged words but they both have the same real name. Was this a bot being enabled? [06:23] dont think so. [07:24] Someone broke wiki.ubuntu.com. [07:24] >:( [07:39] good morning [07:44] morning, dholbach [07:44] MenZa: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ works fine :) [07:44] hi MenZa [07:44] tsimpson: oh huzzah. [07:45] dholbach: hello :) [07:45] It's a... temporary solution, I guess. [07:45] hey maco [07:46] all your bookmarks should be updated to wiki.kubuntu.org, and it looks nicer (/me runs from the gnome people) [07:47] * maco ^5 tsimpson [07:47] * MenZa trips tsimpson [07:47] tsimpson: It breaks the pretty brown formatting! [07:48] you can actually change the theme, from your user settings [07:48] and replaces it with prettier blue formatting! [07:48] mine, of course, is set to "kubuntu" [07:51] I thing the proxy error just caught up with it [07:53] aye [07:53] I like the new style Ubuntu theme. [07:53] and help.u.c is down (hosted on the same server it seems) [07:54] Also, login broeked. [07:54] !currentissues [07:54] !currentissues is Issues: help.ubuntu.com, wiki.ubuntu.com down - consider using wiki.kubuntu.com as a substitute for wiki.ubuntu.com. [07:54] In #ubuntu-ops, MenZa said: !currentissues is Issues: help.ubuntu.com, wiki.ubuntu.com down - consider using wiki.kubuntu.com as a substitute for wiki.ubuntu.com. [07:55] (only, s/wiki.kubuntu.com/wiki.kubuntu.org/) [07:55] back up [07:55] It's bouncing heavily [07:55] It *was* up for me, then it was down [07:55] Then it was up, and back down [07:55] Then OpenID verification gave me a 503 [07:58] help seems to be ok, just wiki is having issues [07:58] mm [07:58] well, that's good I suppose [08:02] most stuff should be on help.u.c now, rather than wiki.u.c [08:02] but... [08:02] !currentissues [08:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ are experiencing issues, https://help.ubuntu.com/ should be functioning normally [08:02] wiki is just for teamstuffs, yeah. [08:02] indeed [08:03] Well, that's the idea of it ;) [08:04] * tsimpson loves it how anyone who mentions the word "root" gets hit with 2-3 factoids in a row ;) [08:05] what is up with jonathanwinters? [08:05] seems to just be saying random stuff and then since someone used cyrillic goes all zomg communism! [08:06] he needs a /remove I think... [08:07] He's quieted down currently [08:07] his last message: balsaq give me ur htpasswd [08:07] even though that's an apache thing... [08:07] Mhmm [08:08] sigh [08:08] Now people are giving [random suggestions that don't address the question] [08:09] uh his suggestion was "delete system32" [08:10] this is way looking like a troll to me [08:10] oh you got him :) [08:11] :D [08:11] what is this bleachbit? [08:12] Hmm, in the repos, anyone ever heard of it? [08:12] nope but the apt-cache show thingy sounds just like someone in there described... CCleaner for Linux [08:13] for the record JonathanWinters is normally a very able helper, but he has a bad attitude with it, and to get his help, you have to be served his attitude. That's the first time I've seen him behave like that though [08:14] the nick wasn't identified, so it could be anyone (unless you know his host/ip) [08:14] Honestly, if someone were smart enough to steal his nick, I think they'd try to make an effort. [08:14] That was just a ... 2/10 performance. [08:15] who said it was "stolen", I just said it wasn't identified [08:15] if I /quit, anyone can use "tsimpson", doesn't mean they stole it ;) [08:16] unless I set a nick enforcer that is [08:16] Well, I call that being stolen. [08:16] I found something weird in my /whois today. [08:16] [2009-12-01 08:12:58 UTC] [freenode] *** usermode : has oper privs: u [08:16] oper privs: u? Extended channel limit I think that is, but how is that an oper priv? :\ [08:16] tsimpson: I know the nick and the isp is pretty much the same [08:17] because only an "oper" (staff) can set it [08:17] tsimpson: that doesn't mean it's him [08:17] Aha. [08:22] maco called the ops in #ubuntu (bilik07 is troll flooding) [08:23] I'm not sure that was entirely intentional, unless there's history I don't see. [08:23] ya, I'll lift the ban [08:24] gone. we shall see. [08:28] maco: No, I'm just a ninja. [08:28] hehe ok [08:28] Huh. According to this e-mail, we're opening nominations for the IRC Council to people who are not currently ops - is that correct? [08:29] Also, why is the IRCC appointed rather than elected? [08:29] good question [08:30] becauze ve are an eviiilllll diktatorsheep, Kamarad. [08:30] [08:30] Is it possible to be a dictator and a sheep at the same time? Wouldn't that not work? [08:30] I was going to look at the proposed changes page to see if that's mentioned, but the wiki is down :( [08:31] oh hey, there it goes finally [08:31] the CC has to come up with some requirements before the anyone can be nominated for IRCC [08:31] Yeah, it sounds like we're planning to do this round as an election. [08:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcCouncilChanges [08:32] Anyone have an estimate of the weekly time commitment of IRCC service? [08:32] Flannel, was supposed to be an attempt at writing in a cheesy villain accent. Obviously didn't work. :) [08:32] Madpilot: aye, I know. I just thought the resulting turn of phrase was noteworthy [08:32] wait, no it's not [08:33] The docs just use "election" to mean "selection". Grr. [08:33] tonyyarusso: elected by the CC, I imagine is the usage. [08:34] Flannel: pretty much. Seems unnecessarily confusing to me. [08:34] welcome to transparent government [08:35] It's a bit of a clash of interests as I see it. Election by Ubuntu Members is not a bad idea, but I've not seen most members in the core channels. [08:35] At the same time, I'm not for the idea of the CC appointing IRCC members. [08:36] the IRCC is just an "arm" of the CC really [08:36] Aye. [08:36] the CC has final say in all community governance [08:36] tsimpson: It would be more correct to say that the IRCC "reports to" the CC. [08:36] They are separate entitites, but exist in a hierarchy with a relationship between them. [08:37] but, the CC can overrule the IRCC [08:37] tsimpson: Yeah, that's consistent with being a subservient body. That's not the same as an "arm" though. [08:37] they are also the final stage of appeals for IRC [08:37] It's an arm of the community, which is governed supremely by the CC. [08:38] I think our definitions of "arm" are confused here [08:38] I basically mean what you mean but thought I didn't mean ;) [08:38] I also wish the nominations weren't kept secret until decisions were made. eg. I'd consider nominating myself, but not if more than three people already had that I felt would be better in the position. [08:39] tsimpson: Do not question my bickering about semantics! This is a FLOSS channel! :P [08:39] * MenZa would like nominations to be sent to a public mailing lits for all to see. [08:39] list* [08:39] well, people nominate themselves, nothing stopping them from saying "Hey, I just nominated myself" [08:39] MenZa: same [08:40] why would you not nominate yourself if 3+ people already have? [08:40] tsimpson: i think he means "if 3+ people who are a better fit have been nominated, i dont want to nominate myself" [08:40] surely the number of people doesn't matter, it's the qualities you bring [08:41] still, worth throwing your hat in if it's something you want to go for [08:41] While the Community may only very, very indirectly have a say in the matter, I still think it's fair that the community has the ability to see who's looking to get, er, picked [08:41] * MenZa would recommend it! [08:42] tsimpson: Not total number - number that I would rather see doing it than myself. [08:42] That and, well, if you're planning on running for IRCC, surely you'd want the community to know what you stand for. [08:42] ie, in the matter of "Tony V. Someoneelse", if I think I may disagree with the CC's pick, I'd rather avoid giving them the opportunity to choose :P [08:45] ubuntu members will be able to voice their opinion on nominations, probably at the meeting to decide who's in though [08:45] you'd need to get the CC to publicise the nominations otherwise [08:49] I'm a little dissapointed in how this irc-cc situation is being presented [08:52] in what way? [08:52] the requirments for the irc-cc [08:52] the requirement to not be an acitve op (we're currently missing good ops due to this) [08:53] few things about it dissapoint me [08:53] wait, what? [08:54] being a member of the IRCC makes one an op [08:54] How is not requiring active ops making us missing good ops? [08:54] tonyyarusso: no it doesnt [08:54] in an ideal world an council member would also be an Ubuntu operator, but it's not technically needed [08:54] I can't get at the wiki at the moment it appears down [08:55] tonyyarusso: I agree that's not needed at all [08:55] * tsimpson is not tonyyarusso [08:55] tonyyarusso: it's helpful, but not need [08:55] ikonia: than can you explain your comment from xx:52:48? [08:55] however backing the irc-cc away from active op duties is pointless [08:55] and counter prodictive [08:56] more so when the current CC are actually good ops [08:56] but it's hard to discuss without access to the wiki [08:56] ikonia: use wiki.kubuntu.org? [08:58] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/IrcCouncilChanges [08:58] just ignore the certificate error [08:58] (If I magically got through, I can pastebin) [08:58] Actually, I'll just do it anyway [08:59] http://paste.ubuntu.com/332202/ [08:59] http://paste.ubuntu.com/332203/ [08:59] :P [09:00] tsimpson: Interesting that our timestamps are an hour apart [09:00] and it's definitely not 02:59:13 UTC [09:00] or my system clock (and the sun) are very wrong [09:00] ikonia: its a good thing really, it isnt saying "you must never do op duties" its more, your job is changing slightly, so concentrate on the governance thing so you arent blinded by the frontline duties. Just as you dont see the cheif of police out there arresting a criminal, but he has the power to. [09:01] or she [09:03] Hello ikonia [09:03] * tonyyarusso is glad some languages don't have this he/she idiocy [09:04] tonyyarusso: like finnish [09:05] finnish has a neuter singular? cool. beats the English overuse of "they"! [09:05] jussi01: and Ojibwe [09:05] Madpilot: "Just as you dont see the cheif of police out there arresting a criminal, but ze has the power to." ...better? [09:05] we could use "it", but that's just insulting :p [09:05] Ojibwe doesn't have any concept of gender in the general form at all - only when you make it into things like "daughter" or "male cousin". [09:06] maco, yeah, ze or zhe hasn't really caught on, though. still a neologism for most. [09:06] forkbomb? [09:06] bazhang: yes [09:06] it is [09:06] intentional or no [09:06] lads, we've someone here to help, well ikonia does, so pipe down for a sec [09:07] Bacta: hi [09:07] bazhang: very intentional [09:07] and ladies maco :D [09:07] Hello [09:07] you folks seem a bit more chipper than usual [09:08] If ikonia isn't around i can come back later on perhaps [09:09] Bacta: he's been active, maybe pop back in about 1/2 hour? [09:09] will do [09:09] thanks [09:10] is he still trying to get his bans lifted? [09:10] yep [09:10] hmm [09:12] quelle surprise. Timbauns is in #archlinux-offtopic [09:14] He's also not in #ubuntu anymore, so it's no big deal [09:14] and now discussing it (the forkbomb) [09:14] * MenZa sighs. [09:16] move on. [09:16] The wiki is still bungee-jumping for me. Whether be that kubuntu, or ubuntu. [09:16] * MenZa growls. [09:19] it's whatever proxy thing the're using, probably timing-out [09:20] the load balancer is overloaded? [09:20] unbalanced, you mean? [09:20] or it needs to be reloaded [09:32] maco called the ops in #ubuntu (jizzinmy1ants OT floods) [09:32] maco, aren't you an #u op? [09:32] no, im a #k op [09:33] erm, jizzinmy1ants is quite an inappropriate nick [09:33] yeah... [09:33] the real name is charming as well [09:34] i was trying to say jizzack but Madpilot had already kicked [09:36] lucky, without that we probably wouldn't have noticed the other nick [09:36] (is someone talking to them?) [09:37] just pinged mr jizz in #u [09:37] if I don't get a response in a few minutes, I'll /remove with "come back with a less inappropriate nick, thanks" [09:41] good to see people still remember to PM before kicking/removing. it is most important. [09:42] jussi01: it wasnt pm... Madpilot asked in-channel [09:42] fine "communicating" then :) [09:42] ^_^ [09:43] he had five min, is either AFK or ignoring me. So mr jizz is out of #u [09:43] I think maybe /kick would be more appropriate there [09:43] just did [09:43] no, you /remove'd [09:43] most clients will not show the message after parting the channel [09:44] speaking of #u, we need to add maco to the access list there. apparently she doesn't mind hanging out with gnome users. [09:44] tsimpson, really? xchat does on /remove, I know. [09:45] only if you keep the tab open [09:46] my opscript uses /remove by default, not sure what the command for an actual /kick is. shall have to see. [09:47] you op, /kick , deop :) [09:48] yes, I know, I know. or I do a one-line /cs k and let the script do the heavy lifting :) [09:48] it would be nice to maybe do /cs k -k , to get a real "kick" [09:49] or /cs K [09:49] versus /cs k [09:49] or is case sensitivity not possible? [09:49] case and irc... [09:49] comm = word[1].lower() [09:49] so it's made lower case [09:49] not sure, I use chanserv.py - just looking at the comments in it now [09:50] Madpilot: the ops appointment procedures are in the middle of changing, as discussed at UDS. So unless theres an emergency, no ops will be added until thats done IMHO. [09:50] * tsimpson can probably edit the script [09:50] the update URL seems broken too [09:51] it is [09:51] yeah, it's Seveas' old script, and looks like he's not maintaining it anymore [09:52] http://www.kaarsemaker.net/downloads/code/chanserv.py he is actually [09:53] installing python-dns gives more functionality [09:54] it hasn't been updated since Aug 2008 apparently [09:55] the version I've got is even older than that :) [09:57] well relative to the version I had when I began as operator :) [09:58] far as I can tell I'm still using the version that was current when I started as an op in early '06 [09:59] gah, have I really been doing this nonsense for 3+ years? [09:59] :) [10:14] * jussi01 hands Madpilot a IRC version of a walking frame... [10:18] Madpilot: inorite? [10:18] I think we started close to the same time actually [10:19] ah, same year at least, but you in Q1 and me in Q4. [10:21] * tonyyarusso notes that the Launchpad team doesn't accurately reflect current membership status [10:22] * tonyyarusso stares in disbelief at LP's claim that he's been an op slightly longer than Pricey [10:23] thats possible? [10:23] Apparently. By about 3 1/2 weeks. [10:23] Launchpad says I registered on 2009-10-23. [10:23] >:( [10:23] O_o [10:23] I had two accounts merged. [10:24] oh [10:24] and it chose the newer one? [10:25] No, MenZa chose the newer one. You get to pick. [10:25] I was ~menza. I'm ~lhavelund now. [10:25] I prefer that. [10:26] It'll also look nicer with lhavelund@ubuntu.com than menza@ubuntu.com ;) [10:26] MenZa: you can always change what your lpid is [10:26] maco: I had a PPA, so I couldn't [10:26] oh [10:26] I don't honestly care, though. [10:27] lol e-mail on LUG mailing list: "Apparently some company that serviced "enterprise" hardware skipped [10:27] out on rent and disappeared, leaving a warehouse full of stuff which a [10:27] stupid paste. [10:27] friend now has access to for the next month before it's all junked. [10:29] Anyone need RAM modules for an S/390? [10:29] you have a mainframe? [10:31] No, but apparently somebody did. [10:32] Full e-mail: http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2009-December/057005.html [10:36] i work for the company that ported linux to s390 [11:11] Perhaps you can answer this then - when you port a kernel, is it a one-time thing, or do you have to port each new thing too? [11:41] whatever happened to Jack_Sparrow? [11:44] Havent seen him for a good while [11:45]