| === mhall1191 is now known as mhall119 | ||
| sbalneav | Evening all | 02:47 |
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| Ahmuck | sbalneav: still up? | 05:51 |
| Ahmuck | alkisg: what major city are you next to? | 05:51 |
| alkisg | Hi Ahmuck | 05:52 |
| alkisg | It's called "Ioannina", it's on the mainland, somewhere near Corfu | 05:52 |
| alkisg | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=el&q=&vps=2&jsv=191a&sll=39.674495,20.840141&sspn=0.130011,0.308647&ie=UTF8&cd=1&split=0&geocode=FX9iXQIdzf49AQ | 05:53 |
| Ahmuck | athens work ? | 05:54 |
| alkisg | Yeah, ok... why? | 05:56 |
| Ahmuck | world clocks | 05:56 |
| alkisg | Ah, sure, Athens it is, then :) | 05:56 |
| Ahmuck | well, i'm sleepy | 05:56 |
| Ahmuck | nn | 05:56 |
| alkisg | 8:00 pm here, good morning all :) | 05:56 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: Winnipeg | 05:56 |
| Ahmuck | 8pm? i was thininking 8 am | 05:57 |
| sbalneav | New sabayon in my ppa | 05:57 |
| alkisg | Sorry, am | 05:57 |
| sbalneav | Now with 10000% more manual. | 05:58 |
| Ahmuck | well, my heart is telling me it's time to rest | 05:58 |
| Ahmuck | l8r | 05:58 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: You wanted me? | 05:58 |
| Ahmuck | just checking ur timezone | 05:59 |
| Ahmuck | were in the same timezone | 05:59 |
| alkisg | sbalneav: are you going to get us a live LTSP for edubuntu Lucid? Need any help? | 06:00 |
| sbalneav | No | 06:00 |
| sbalneav | Not on my radar | 06:00 |
| sbalneav | Why do we need it? | 06:00 |
| alkisg | Well we were talking about it on the last edubuntu meeting | 06:01 |
| alkisg | But I think you were afk for some time then so you might have missed it | 06:01 |
| sbalneav | I wasn't at it. This is about booting thin clients from the cd? | 06:01 |
| sbalneav | i.e. the live cd can also boot thin clients? | 06:02 |
| alkisg | No, | 06:02 |
| alkisg | about a live ltsp blob on the server CD | 06:02 |
| alkisg | Which should be un-squashfs'ed upon installation, if the user selects to install and LTSP server in Ubiquity | 06:03 |
| alkisg | This way we'll be able to remove the text-based ltsp installer | 06:03 |
| sbalneav | And that's important because.....? | 06:03 |
| sbalneav | As opposed to fixing bugs, and getting actual useful documentation? | 06:04 |
| alkisg | Not my call :) | 06:04 |
| alkisg | I just wanted to help there :) | 06:04 |
| Ahmuck | i'll be doing a visual documentation pdf soon | 06:04 |
| alkisg | But I think it *is* important, e.g. many teachers here downloaded a live ltsp dvd that I've made... | 06:05 |
| Ahmuck | ie, screenshots, lots of screenshots | 06:05 |
| Ahmuck | anywho, i'm about ready to sleep on the keyboard, sooo, again, nn | 06:05 |
| alkisg | Bye Ahmuck | 06:05 |
| sbalneav | I wouln't want to see the text based ltsp installer removed, since the alternative cd's are all I ever download. | 06:05 |
| alkisg | It won't be removed from the alternate cd | 06:06 |
| alkisg | Just from the edubuntu dvd - if what highvoltage and stgraber said actually happens... | 06:06 |
| sbalneav | I don't understand why we'd need to waste valuable space with a huge static blob of ltsp, which can be built very easily, as opposed to putting content on the dvd, things like moodle content, more edu programs, etc. | 06:07 |
| alkisg | To enable people to try ltsp before installing it to a server | 06:08 |
| alkisg | People can test moodle online, but not ltsp | 06:08 |
| alkisg | And I don't think it needs more space than the alternate installer... | 06:09 |
| sbalneav | And have absolutely sucky performance since it's running off a cd, then throw away the whole concept of an ltsp lab based on that experience. "You mean it's going to run this slow? Screw that!" | 06:09 |
| sbalneav | Whatever. I'm going to go on record as saying I think it would be a massive waste of time, compared to some of the more pressing issues we've got, but people can work on whatever they'd like. I ain't the boss :) | 06:10 |
| alkisg | I think an appropriate message on the "start an LTSP server" icon would solve that problem :) | 06:10 |
| sbalneav | people don't read docs NOW | 06:11 |
| sbalneav | Whatever. | 06:11 |
| sbalneav | Anyway, I've had enough for the night. Off to bed. | 06:11 |
| alkisg | OK ok I was just trying to offer help :) | 06:11 |
| alkisg | Goodnight sbalneav | 06:11 |
| sbalneav | Not at all, if that's what you want to see happen, make it happen! | 06:11 |
| sbalneav | I'm merely (as always) stating my opinion. | 06:12 |
| alkisg | I did, I already have a live ltsp dvd | 06:12 |
| sbalneav | So then if you've already done it, why do we need it? | 06:12 |
| alkisg | It's just being generated from a script (remastering) instead of seeds etc, as I don't know the technology there.. | 06:12 |
| sbalneav | ah | 06:12 |
| sbalneav | I don't know the technology either. | 06:13 |
| sbalneav | But I better learn it before the next release, or we're not going to HAVE a next release. | 06:13 |
| alkisg | Anyway we'll talk about it again on the next meeting, I guess, and either approve it or ditch it then. | 06:13 |
| sbalneav | I won't vote either way. I'll never ever stop someone from doing something they want to do. | 06:14 |
| sbalneav | Everyone's got their itch to scratch. | 06:14 |
| sbalneav | anyway, past midnight here. Yawn goodnight. | 06:15 |
| alkisg | bye... | 06:15 |
| === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg | ||
| === Guest124 is now known as hfsdo | ||
| sbalneav | Morning all | 15:03 |
| Balsaq | is edubuntu still maintained and updated as an individual distro? | 15:19 |
| sbalneav | Yes | 15:21 |
| sbalneav | We have DVD images that can be installed. | 15:21 |
| Balsaq | i heard it was on the fritz | 15:21 |
| sbalneav | Heard what was on the fritz? | 15:22 |
| Balsaq | the edubuntu project | 15:23 |
| sbalneav | WHere'd you hear that from? | 15:23 |
| Balsaq | people online | 15:23 |
| * sbalneav shrugs | 15:24 | |
| dinda | sbalneav: are the edubuntu apps in the Main or Universe repository? | 15:24 |
| sbalneav | Well, *I*'m here, the channels here, and there are DVD images you can download, that install edubuntu | 15:24 |
| sbalneav | dinda: some in main, a lot in universe. | 15:25 |
| dinda | sbalneav: http://www.edubuntu.org/applications/ claims they are all in Main - is there a way to tell which are where - easily? | 15:26 |
| Balsaq | i'm glad to hear this is a false rumor, my wife is a teacher and i want to get her a computer with edubuntu installed as a surprise, but i want her to have plenty of support as she learns edubuntu...now she only knows mac...leopard | 15:26 |
| sbalneav | dinda: You'll notice that's a bit out of date :) | 15:27 |
| dinda | sbalneav: yeah, see that :) | 15:27 |
| sbalneav | Balsaq: Well, "plenty" of support is relative . There's probably about 5 or so active Edubuntu devels. | 15:27 |
| dinda | sbalneav: I'm trying to figure out the issue of 'official' support from Canonical | 15:28 |
| dinda | sbalneav: anything in Main we support, Universe - not so much | 15:28 |
| sbalneav | Well, there's the issue of what CANONICAL supports, and what WE support. | 15:29 |
| Ahmuck | dinda: canonical does have ltsp support contracts | 15:29 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: which they send representatives into #ltsp to ask questions on :) | 15:29 |
| dinda | sbalneav: yip, and I'm trying to sort out which pieces they/we (Canonical) do and don't support and why | 15:30 |
| ogra | dinda, chriskenyon should know | 15:30 |
| dinda | Ahmuck: the ltsp aspects are now part of the Server stack, so Canonical does fully support those | 15:30 |
| ogra | dinda, edubuntu itself turned into a full community project | 15:30 |
| dinda | ogra: I met with CK and we're both unlcear ;) | 15:31 |
| ogra | so there are the apps we had when i did edubuntu, these are in main | 15:31 |
| ogra | then there is a gap where edubuntu was unmaintained for a while | 15:31 |
| dinda | ogra: that's the list I'm looking for | 15:31 |
| Ahmuck | the gapped list? | 15:31 |
| ogra | and when the new edubuntu team took over a lot more apps were added, but due to the nature of it being a community project, these apps are in universe now | 15:32 |
| Ahmuck | or the app list that was maintained when ogra was there? | 15:32 |
| Ahmuck | isn't it edu-* | 15:32 |
| ogra | the applist you see on edubuntu.org should be the one i brought to main | 15:32 |
| Ahmuck | ubuntu-edu | 15:32 |
| Ahmuck | and edubuntu | 15:32 |
| Ahmuck | "sudo aptitude search edu*" | 15:33 |
| ogra | the dvd you get today will have a lot more ... and for a community project there is no need to push apps to main | 15:33 |
| Balsaq | when it goes unmaintained, do the updates continue? | 15:33 |
| ogra | as long as the edubuntu devs care | 15:33 |
| Ahmuck | ogra: heh that in itself states canoical's position | 15:33 |
| Ahmuck | edubuntu goes unmaintained? | 15:34 |
| ogra | unlikely :) | 15:34 |
| Ahmuck | nm, goes back to lurking | 15:34 |
| Balsaq | can i burn edubuntu onto one 700mb cd? | 15:34 |
| ogra | too many people care nowadays | 15:34 |
| ogra | no, its a DVD | 15:34 |
| Ahmuck | Balsaq: not currently | 15:34 |
| Ahmuck | it's a dvd | 15:34 |
| Ahmuck | 4G | 15:34 |
| Balsaq | bummer i don't have a dvd burner | 15:35 |
| Ahmuck | ding ding dign | 15:35 |
| * ogra goes back to do his work and leaves answers to todays edubuntu devs :) | 15:35 | |
| alkisg | You can also put it to a usb stick... | 15:35 |
| dinda | Canonical cares, just that for 'official' support we can only cover whats in Main | 15:35 |
| Ahmuck | Balsaq: whatis your intent? | 15:35 |
| dinda | thanks ogra! | 15:35 |
| Balsaq | to surprise my wife | 15:35 |
| Ahmuck | heh | 15:35 |
| Ahmuck | u have children i take it | 15:35 |
| ogra | Balsaq, you can use usb-creator to write the iso to a USB key and boot from that | 15:36 |
| Ahmuck | edubuntu is "themed ubuntu" with additional edu apps thrown in | 15:36 |
| Ahmuck | sooo, you can install ubuntu and then sudo aptitude edubuntu-artwork, etc | 15:36 |
| Ahmuck | and you'll have a edubuntu desktop iirc | 15:36 |
| Balsaq | there is an idea, i have burned the ubuntu cd | 15:36 |
| Balsaq | is it all the same color theme if i do it that way | 15:37 |
| Ahmuck | how does edubuntu impress your wife? | 15:37 |
| Balsaq | Amuck...i dont know if it does impress her yet | 15:37 |
| Ahmuck | what is it that impreses your wife | 15:37 |
| Balsaq | but she is a middle school teacher | 15:37 |
| Balsaq | and i am going to get her a computer for a small office in the basement | 15:38 |
| sbalneav | Since I don't draw a paycheque from Canonical, I consider anything that's currently in Edubuntu supportable | 15:38 |
| Ahmuck | i'd use the ubuntu cd, then pick up the edu apps you want and some additional ones, such as anki, ri-li, etc. etc. | 15:38 |
| Ahmuck | what are you computer specs? | 15:38 |
| Ahmuck | *your | 15:39 |
| Balsaq | intel p4 2.4, 60g hd, 513rdram | 15:39 |
| Balsaq | nvidia agp 64mb | 15:39 |
| mhall119|work | doubling the ram would be good if you can | 15:40 |
| Ahmuck | Balsaq: there's also qimo ... | 15:40 |
| mhall119|work | if it's going to be running a lot of apps at once | 15:40 |
| Ahmuck | :) | 15:40 |
| mhall119|work | Qimo isn't for middle schoolers though | 15:40 |
| Balsaq | and she will get anew flat screen monitor with it | 15:40 |
| Ahmuck | ah | 15:40 |
| mhall119|work | most of our games would be too childish for them | 15:40 |
| * Ahmuck wondered if ltsp would work | 15:40 | |
| mhall119|work | ltsp for a single computer in a basement? | 15:41 |
| Ahmuck | mhall119|work: how do you approach middle school? | 15:41 |
| Balsaq | because ubuntu and xubuntu runs great on this same type of configuration | 15:41 |
| mhall119|work | Ahmuck: when we donate to older kids, it's either regular Ubuntu or Kubuntu | 15:41 |
| Ahmuck | on a side note, i am in the processes of boxing a large assortment of pc's to send to africa. i was told they needed to be windows 2000 or windows xp | 15:41 |
| Ahmuck | mhall119|work: how do you donate, what qualification process is there? | 15:42 |
| Ahmuck | mhall119|work: r u using anything below 1Ghz? | 15:42 |
| mhall119|work | Ahmuck: we run on word-of-mouth | 15:42 |
| * Ahmuck is getting ready to prep 10 this morning | 15:42 | |
| Ahmuck | mhall119|work: ah | 15:42 |
| Ahmuck | i might consider that route then | 15:42 |
| mhall119|work | people come to us and say, "Hey, that family or that daycare could really use one of your computers" | 15:42 |
| mhall119|work | Ahmuck: we've recently been asking for P4 or better | 15:43 |
| mhall119|work | mostly because it takes too long to get anything older into working order | 15:43 |
| mhall119|work | but we've given out a good many <1Ghz P3s and even a couple of P2s | 15:43 |
| Ahmuck | mhall119|work: u might consider some of the derivities. ie, moonos has a ldxe version, and i saw some that were a mix of openbox, ldxe, and enlightenment | 15:43 |
| Ahmuck | worked very well | 15:43 |
| mhall119|work | memory is really our only concern with Qimo, since the kids aren't heavy multi-taskers | 15:43 |
| mhall119|work | Ahmuck: I'm trying to keep up with the Lubuntu developments | 15:44 |
| Ahmuck | all ubuntu derivities | 15:44 |
| Ahmuck | ah, i've chucked xubuntu in favor of moonos ldxe version | 15:44 |
| mhall119|work | I'm looking at possibly rebasing Qimo on LXDE | 15:44 |
| Ahmuck | for the lower end pcs | 15:44 |
| mhall119|work | right now XFConf is kicking my ass when trying to make better packages | 15:45 |
| Ahmuck | that'd be kewl. i'd certianly use it 4 sure then | 15:46 |
| Ahmuck | fwiw, nubae built a html database of edu apps | 16:00 |
| * Ahmuck doesn't remember where it's located at however | 16:00 | |
| Ahmuck | nubae: what is the largest city from your location? | 16:00 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck: why all the timezone-collecting? for meetings? | 16:01 |
| Ahmuck | more for knowing how to coordinate my questions for meetups on irc | 16:01 |
| Ahmuck | so if i need to be here at optimal time at 1:00 am in the morning to catch somebody i know what the time difference is | 16:02 |
| alkisg | :) | 16:05 |
| nubae | Ahmuck, thatst excellent, so how, in python bindings? mysql? | 16:24 |
| Ahmuck | nubae: ? | 16:42 |
| flint_ | highvoltage, Jonathan what up? | 22:12 |
| highvoltage | flint_: I was just about to go to sleep actually :) | 22:12 |
| sbalneav | Hey flint_ | 22:13 |
| flint_ | sbalneav, yes | 22:13 |
| flint_ | highvoltage, nighty night... | 22:13 |
| highvoltage | g'night flint_ | 22:13 |
| flint_ | highvoltage, See ya January... | 22:13 |
| flint_ | sbalneav, still trying to get the time and date of the edubuntu meeting correct... everyone needs a hobby... | 22:14 |
| flint_ | sbalneav, I am currently betting on Friday, 4 December at 17:00 GMT... But I have been wrong before... heh... | 22:15 |
| flint_ | :^) | 22:15 |
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