=== mhall1191 is now known as mhall119 [02:47] Evening all [05:51] sbalneav: still up? [05:51] alkisg: what major city are you next to? [05:52] Hi Ahmuck [05:52] It's called "Ioannina", it's on the mainland, somewhere near Corfu [05:53] http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=el&q=&vps=2&jsv=191a&sll=39.674495,20.840141&sspn=0.130011,0.308647&ie=UTF8&cd=1&split=0&geocode=FX9iXQIdzf49AQ [05:54] athens work ? [05:56] Yeah, ok... why? [05:56] world clocks [05:56] Ah, sure, Athens it is, then :) [05:56] well, i'm sleepy [05:56] nn [05:56] 8:00 pm here, good morning all :) [05:56] Ahmuck: Winnipeg [05:57] 8pm? i was thininking 8 am [05:57] New sabayon in my ppa [05:57] Sorry, am [05:58] Now with 10000% more manual. [05:58] well, my heart is telling me it's time to rest [05:58] l8r [05:58] Ahmuck: You wanted me? [05:59] just checking ur timezone [05:59] were in the same timezone [06:00] sbalneav: are you going to get us a live LTSP for edubuntu Lucid? Need any help? [06:00] No [06:00] Not on my radar [06:00] Why do we need it? [06:01] Well we were talking about it on the last edubuntu meeting [06:01] But I think you were afk for some time then so you might have missed it [06:01] I wasn't at it. This is about booting thin clients from the cd? [06:02] i.e. the live cd can also boot thin clients? [06:02] No, [06:02] about a live ltsp blob on the server CD [06:03] Which should be un-squashfs'ed upon installation, if the user selects to install and LTSP server in Ubiquity [06:03] This way we'll be able to remove the text-based ltsp installer [06:03] And that's important because.....? [06:04] As opposed to fixing bugs, and getting actual useful documentation? [06:04] Not my call :) [06:04] I just wanted to help there :) [06:04] i'll be doing a visual documentation pdf soon [06:05] But I think it *is* important, e.g. many teachers here downloaded a live ltsp dvd that I've made... [06:05] ie, screenshots, lots of screenshots [06:05] anywho, i'm about ready to sleep on the keyboard, sooo, again, nn [06:05] Bye Ahmuck [06:05] I wouln't want to see the text based ltsp installer removed, since the alternative cd's are all I ever download. [06:06] It won't be removed from the alternate cd [06:06] Just from the edubuntu dvd - if what highvoltage and stgraber said actually happens... [06:07] I don't understand why we'd need to waste valuable space with a huge static blob of ltsp, which can be built very easily, as opposed to putting content on the dvd, things like moodle content, more edu programs, etc. [06:08] To enable people to try ltsp before installing it to a server [06:08] People can test moodle online, but not ltsp [06:09] And I don't think it needs more space than the alternate installer... [06:09] And have absolutely sucky performance since it's running off a cd, then throw away the whole concept of an ltsp lab based on that experience. "You mean it's going to run this slow? Screw that!" [06:10] Whatever. I'm going to go on record as saying I think it would be a massive waste of time, compared to some of the more pressing issues we've got, but people can work on whatever they'd like. I ain't the boss :) [06:10] I think an appropriate message on the "start an LTSP server" icon would solve that problem :) [06:11] people don't read docs NOW [06:11] Whatever. [06:11] Anyway, I've had enough for the night. Off to bed. [06:11] OK ok I was just trying to offer help :) [06:11] Goodnight sbalneav [06:11] Not at all, if that's what you want to see happen, make it happen! [06:12] I'm merely (as always) stating my opinion. [06:12] I did, I already have a live ltsp dvd [06:12] So then if you've already done it, why do we need it? [06:12] It's just being generated from a script (remastering) instead of seeds etc, as I don't know the technology there.. [06:12] ah [06:13] I don't know the technology either. [06:13] But I better learn it before the next release, or we're not going to HAVE a next release. [06:13] Anyway we'll talk about it again on the next meeting, I guess, and either approve it or ditch it then. [06:14] I won't vote either way. I'll never ever stop someone from doing something they want to do. [06:14] Everyone's got their itch to scratch. [06:15] anyway, past midnight here. Yawn goodnight. [06:15] bye... === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg === Guest124 is now known as hfsdo [15:03] Morning all [15:19] is edubuntu still maintained and updated as an individual distro? [15:21] Yes [15:21] We have DVD images that can be installed. [15:21] i heard it was on the fritz [15:22] Heard what was on the fritz? [15:23] the edubuntu project [15:23] WHere'd you hear that from? [15:23] people online [15:24] * sbalneav shrugs [15:24] sbalneav: are the edubuntu apps in the Main or Universe repository? [15:24] Well, *I*'m here, the channels here, and there are DVD images you can download, that install edubuntu [15:25] dinda: some in main, a lot in universe. [15:26] sbalneav: http://www.edubuntu.org/applications/ claims they are all in Main - is there a way to tell which are where - easily? [15:26] i'm glad to hear this is a false rumor, my wife is a teacher and i want to get her a computer with edubuntu installed as a surprise, but i want her to have plenty of support as she learns edubuntu...now she only knows mac...leopard [15:27] dinda: You'll notice that's a bit out of date :) [15:27] sbalneav: yeah, see that :) [15:27] Balsaq: Well, "plenty" of support is relative . There's probably about 5 or so active Edubuntu devels. [15:28] sbalneav: I'm trying to figure out the issue of 'official' support from Canonical [15:28] sbalneav: anything in Main we support, Universe - not so much [15:29] Well, there's the issue of what CANONICAL supports, and what WE support. [15:29] dinda: canonical does have ltsp support contracts [15:29] Ahmuck: which they send representatives into #ltsp to ask questions on :) [15:30] sbalneav: yip, and I'm trying to sort out which pieces they/we (Canonical) do and don't support and why [15:30] dinda, chriskenyon should know [15:30] Ahmuck: the ltsp aspects are now part of the Server stack, so Canonical does fully support those [15:30] dinda, edubuntu itself turned into a full community project [15:31] ogra: I met with CK and we're both unlcear ;) [15:31] so there are the apps we had when i did edubuntu, these are in main [15:31] then there is a gap where edubuntu was unmaintained for a while [15:31] ogra: that's the list I'm looking for [15:31] the gapped list? [15:32] and when the new edubuntu team took over a lot more apps were added, but due to the nature of it being a community project, these apps are in universe now [15:32] or the app list that was maintained when ogra was there? [15:32] isn't it edu-* [15:32] the applist you see on edubuntu.org should be the one i brought to main [15:32] ubuntu-edu [15:32] and edubuntu [15:33] "sudo aptitude search edu*" [15:33] the dvd you get today will have a lot more ... and for a community project there is no need to push apps to main [15:33] when it goes unmaintained, do the updates continue? [15:33] as long as the edubuntu devs care [15:33] ogra: heh that in itself states canoical's position [15:34] edubuntu goes unmaintained? [15:34] unlikely :) [15:34] nm, goes back to lurking [15:34] can i burn edubuntu onto one 700mb cd? [15:34] too many people care nowadays [15:34] no, its a DVD [15:34] Balsaq: not currently [15:34] it's a dvd [15:34] 4G [15:35] bummer i don't have a dvd burner [15:35] ding ding dign [15:35] * ogra goes back to do his work and leaves answers to todays edubuntu devs :) [15:35] You can also put it to a usb stick... [15:35] Canonical cares, just that for 'official' support we can only cover whats in Main [15:35] Balsaq: whatis your intent? [15:35] thanks ogra! [15:35] to surprise my wife [15:35] heh [15:35] u have children i take it [15:36] Balsaq, you can use usb-creator to write the iso to a USB key and boot from that [15:36] edubuntu is "themed ubuntu" with additional edu apps thrown in [15:36] sooo, you can install ubuntu and then sudo aptitude edubuntu-artwork, etc [15:36] and you'll have a edubuntu desktop iirc [15:36] there is an idea, i have burned the ubuntu cd [15:37] is it all the same color theme if i do it that way [15:37] how does edubuntu impress your wife? [15:37] Amuck...i dont know if it does impress her yet [15:37] what is it that impreses your wife [15:37] but she is a middle school teacher [15:38] and i am going to get her a computer for a small office in the basement [15:38] Since I don't draw a paycheque from Canonical, I consider anything that's currently in Edubuntu supportable [15:38] i'd use the ubuntu cd, then pick up the edu apps you want and some additional ones, such as anki, ri-li, etc. etc. [15:38] what are you computer specs? [15:39] *your [15:39] intel p4 2.4, 60g hd, 513rdram [15:39] nvidia agp 64mb [15:40] doubling the ram would be good if you can [15:40] Balsaq: there's also qimo ... [15:40] if it's going to be running a lot of apps at once [15:40] :) [15:40] Qimo isn't for middle schoolers though [15:40] and she will get anew flat screen monitor with it [15:40] ah [15:40] most of our games would be too childish for them [15:40] * Ahmuck wondered if ltsp would work [15:41] ltsp for a single computer in a basement? [15:41] mhall119|work: how do you approach middle school? [15:41] because ubuntu and xubuntu runs great on this same type of configuration [15:41] Ahmuck: when we donate to older kids, it's either regular Ubuntu or Kubuntu [15:41] on a side note, i am in the processes of boxing a large assortment of pc's to send to africa. i was told they needed to be windows 2000 or windows xp [15:42] mhall119|work: how do you donate, what qualification process is there? [15:42] mhall119|work: r u using anything below 1Ghz? [15:42] Ahmuck: we run on word-of-mouth [15:42] * Ahmuck is getting ready to prep 10 this morning [15:42] mhall119|work: ah [15:42] i might consider that route then [15:42] people come to us and say, "Hey, that family or that daycare could really use one of your computers" [15:43] Ahmuck: we've recently been asking for P4 or better [15:43] mostly because it takes too long to get anything older into working order [15:43] but we've given out a good many <1Ghz P3s and even a couple of P2s [15:43] mhall119|work: u might consider some of the derivities. ie, moonos has a ldxe version, and i saw some that were a mix of openbox, ldxe, and enlightenment [15:43] worked very well [15:43] memory is really our only concern with Qimo, since the kids aren't heavy multi-taskers [15:44] Ahmuck: I'm trying to keep up with the Lubuntu developments [15:44] all ubuntu derivities [15:44] ah, i've chucked xubuntu in favor of moonos ldxe version [15:44] I'm looking at possibly rebasing Qimo on LXDE [15:44] for the lower end pcs [15:45] right now XFConf is kicking my ass when trying to make better packages [15:46] that'd be kewl. i'd certianly use it 4 sure then [16:00] fwiw, nubae built a html database of edu apps [16:00] * Ahmuck doesn't remember where it's located at however [16:00] nubae: what is the largest city from your location? [16:01] Ahmuck: why all the timezone-collecting? for meetings? [16:01] more for knowing how to coordinate my questions for meetups on irc [16:02] so if i need to be here at optimal time at 1:00 am in the morning to catch somebody i know what the time difference is [16:05] :) [16:24] Ahmuck, thatst excellent, so how, in python bindings? mysql? [16:42] nubae: ? [22:12] highvoltage, Jonathan what up? [22:12] flint_: I was just about to go to sleep actually :) [22:13] Hey flint_ [22:13] sbalneav, yes [22:13] highvoltage, nighty night... [22:13] g'night flint_ [22:13] highvoltage, See ya January... [22:14] sbalneav, still trying to get the time and date of the edubuntu meeting correct... everyone needs a hobby... [22:15] sbalneav, I am currently betting on Friday, 4 December at 17:00 GMT... But I have been wrong before... heh... [22:15] :^)