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* sbeattie looks at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs and cries at all the private bugs.00:24
Picijpds: /2200:30
Piciargh00:30
jpdsPici: wut?00:30
Picijpds: that was me mistyping00:30
jpdsOh, right.00:31
jcastrobdmurray, rhetorical question00:50
jcastroA linked bug mean someone has basically triaged it right?00:50
dtchenwell, someone has bothered to look further. I don't know if that really means Triaged00:52
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dtchene.g., cross-linking between distributions not involving an upstream bug report00:52
jcastroyeah, I am just wondering if someone has made a link00:53
jcastrobut the bug stays New00:53
jcastrois someone looking at it?00:53
jcastroor is someone flailing "hey, debian fixed this 3 months ago!" or whatever00:54
dtchenwhich bug?00:54
jcastroI mean in general00:54
dtchenmaybe neither. If the Debian bug's status is something other than New, perhaps it has been triaged.00:54
micahgjcastro: sometimes the reporter will link upstream/to another distro00:55
jcastroright00:56
hggdhit may just to point out that some other distro has the same problem00:57
greg-gjcastro: linked specifically to the upstream project, where it is then confirmed upstream, I would consider triaged00:59
hggdhgreg-g: +100:59
* micahg also does that, +100:59
jcastrook I will start doing it from now on00:59
micahgjcastro: that's assuming there's enough info upstream01:00
jcastroright01:00
micahgwhich usually there is01:00
jcastroassuming there's enough for a maintainer to just pull in a patch or a sync or something01:00
jcastromake sense?01:00
hggdhwell, yes, this is a point -- but it is a good start01:00
hggdhjcastro: yes, it does01:01
jcastroso like "This looks developed enough for you to just pull in, so low hanging fruit vs. sitting there all day trying to figure it out."01:02
micahgwell, who's asking a maintainer or a triager?01:02
jcastroI guess it depends on the person01:04
micahgif it's a triager, most certainly, if it's a maintainer, then if they have a quick 5 minute solution, I'd say go for it01:04
micahgbut either way it's triaged01:04
* jcastro nods01:04
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dogatemycomputerI am curious about bug #491181.   Do we troubleshooting Firefox plugins?04:02
ubot4Launchpad bug 491181 in firefox-3.5 "firefox 3.5.5 icedtea bug java app" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49118104:02
dogatemycomputer(I'm new to triaging bugs.)04:03
greg-ghey dogatemycomputer, sorry I haven't responded to your email yet, but I can help with this question05:02
greg-gso, yeah, if the plugin is provided in the Ubuntu repositories, we try to find the cause and forward it upstream to the developers of the software05:02
greg-gfirst of all, we should assign this to the icedtea plugin package, which, after searching https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ for a package with "icedtea" in the name gives me https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icedtea-gcjwebplugin05:06
greg-gso, you want to change the affected project to that, see if you can reproduce it, if you can, confirm it. Then, the really awesome thing would be to find the upstream for it and report the bug there.05:07
greg-gawesomely, this reporter has a backtrace attached, making triage for a developer that much easier05:07
greg-gdogatemycomputer: ^^05:08
greg-gdogatemycomputer: but now, as it is midnight, I'm headed to bed. I'll look at your email tomorrow. Again, sorry about that.05:08
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dogatemycomputergreg-g:  thanks for the help!   The bug does not include enough information to reproduce it.   I copy/pasted the "Missing Steps to Recreate Bug" canned response.  If he can tell me how to reproduce it then I will try and confirm it.06:21
dogatemycomputergreg-g:  I am not clear if you are implying I should confirm it simply because the backtrace is attached or if you are saying that will just make it easier for them to track it down?06:22
micahgdogatemycomputer: bug #?06:31
jmarsdenmicahg: <dogatemycomputer> I am curious about bug #491181.   Do we troubleshooting Firefox plugins?06:33
ubot4Launchpad bug 491181 in icedtea-gcjwebplugin "firefox 3.5.5 icedtea bug java app" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49118106:33
micahgfirst, that's not the right package dogatemycomputer06:38
micahgthe package is icedtea6-plugin06:38
micahgactually, it's openjdk-606:39
yoasifhi, anyone around?06:54
micahgyoasif: sure :)06:54
yoasifmicahg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/frozen-bubble/+bug/386104 this seems to be a packaging issue, it's live in karmic and it's an easy fix -- libsdl1.2debian-alsa should be removed from recommends and changed to libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio06:55
ubot4Launchpad bug 386104 in libsdl1.2 "[karmic] skipping audio when using libsdl1.2debian-alsa" [Undecided,Confirmed]06:55
micahgyoasif: let me take a look07:00
yoasifmicahg, awesome07:00
micahgdtchen: are you around?07:03
micahgyoasif: the problem is the package depends on a dummy package with 7 options, alsa being the first07:08
yoasifyeah07:08
yoasifalsa doesn't work properly... not sure if it's a problem with the package07:08
yoasifor ubuntu's implementation of pulseaudio07:08
micahgidk07:08
yoasifbut the pulseaudio package fixes it07:08
bhuvimy cpu fan speed is not detected in karmic but it worked well in hardy07:46
bhuvii get acpi resource conflict message during boot07:46
bhuvican anyone help me with this07:49
rza_Sharpwhere in boot?07:49
rza_Sharp@ wat point?07:49
bhuvibefore the splash screen comes up07:50
rza_Sharpbut u can bypass it no prob right?07:51
bhuvithats not a problem,the problem is i loaded the modules from the sensor-detect command and there is some conflict in assigning acpi resources07:53
bhuviso my cpu fan speed is not shown by sensors command07:53
bhuvibut it was working well in hardy07:54
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dogatemycomputermichahg:  I found icedtea-gcwebplugin .  Are you saying that it should be openjdk-6 instead?08:08
dogatemycomputermichahg:  nevermind.  looks like you already made the change.  Thanks!08:09
dogatemycomputermichahg:  Is there someplace I could find this information or is this just one of those things you learn as you go?08:09
micahgdogatemycomputer: in the attached plugins file it had the version of the plugin, the one you selected has a version of 1.0, the openjdk-6 package is at 1.6.something08:13
dogatemycomputermichahg:  Thank you for catching that.   I appreciate it.   greg-g is my mentor.  I'm sure he will see your comment so he also knows in the future.08:15
micahgdogatemycomputer: it's a simple mixup, I happen to be the main triager for Firefox at the moment, that's how I knew where to look08:15
dogatemycomputermicahg: ahhh..   this is probably my 5th day of trying to triage bugs.   :-)08:16
dogatemycomputermicahg: for a translation bug..  I posted the canned response.   Should I mark the bug invalid?08:17
micahgdogatemycomputer: canned response?  what bug #?08:18
dogatemycomputermicahg: bug #49124808:18
ubot4Launchpad bug 491248 in ubuntuone-client "russian translation of share dialog" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49124808:18
micahgdogatemycomputer: where does it say to do that?08:18
dogatemycomputermicahg:   The canned response found here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#About%20an%20incorrect%20translation08:18
micahgdogatemycomputer: ugh, I don't think that's right, I'll have to bring it up with someone in the morning08:19
dogatemycomputermicahg: Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. However, Ubuntu gets its translations from the translations portion of Launchpad (http://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/), where translation teams work on making Ubuntu more useful in their language. If you want to change a translation in Ubuntu there is the right place.08:19
micahgdogatemycomputer: please don't do that :)08:19
micahgpastebin is more effective, but the link was fine08:19
dogatemycomputermicahg: I already did.   What should I do now?08:20
micahgdogatemycomputer: idk, I have to check if the policy's changed08:20
micahgI thought we just open an upstream bug task to ubuntu translations08:20
micahgand mark the package bug triaged until it's done08:20
dogatemycomputermicahg: well..  I guess  I will leave it alone for now unless some documentation appears that tells me what to do otherwise or someone changes it.   I don't want to start guessing when i'm this new.08:21
micahgdogatemycomputer: yeah, don't worry about it, I'll check in the morning08:21
dogatemycomputermicahg:  If you want me to contact someone then just let me know.  I don't mind pinging someone to find out if the wiki should be updated.08:23
dogatemycomputermicahg: have a good night!!08:24
micahgnight dogatemycomputer08:24
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gawdzerhi hi13:24
bddebianBoo14:42
pedro_bbuu!14:45
hggdhpedro_: I think we can go ahead and create the mentorship group; I will update the wiki to refer to it15:31
pedro_hggdh, cool, i was waiting for some feedback to create it , will do it15:32
hggdhyes, we really need to organise this ;-)15:32
pedro_so true :-)15:33
pedro_so bugsquad-mentorship  or ubuntu-bugsquad-mentorship ?15:33
pedro_the bugsquad team is called "bugsquad" on lp15:34
hggdhbugsquad-mentorship, I guess15:34
pedro_done -> https://edge.launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship15:37
pedro_will add the mentors we have on the wiki to it now15:37
mac_v_hmm , is mentorship right , or is it -mentors?15:45
pedro_mac_v_, it's mentorship since we are not going to have only mentors on that group15:47
mac_v_pedro_: ah , got it :)15:48
pedro_students are going to be added there as well15:48
mac_v_pedro_: i unable to find the mentorship wiki , has it been written yet or...?15:51
pedro_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors15:52
pedro_mac_v_, ^ that one you mean?15:52
mac_v_pedro_: ah, yup , thanks , i was searching for "mentorship" :(15:53
pedro_heh no problem :-)15:54
hggdhmac_v_: just bear in mind we are changing the procedure on mentorship right now15:57
* pedro_ -> lunch15:58
mac_v_hggdh: hmm , ok. Just one doubt :) ... what would be the difference between bugsquad and the beugsuqd-mentorship , if the members can be both mentors and mentees? do they have higher privileges on lp?16:01
hggdhmac_v_: mentors will need to be bug-controllers (or very experienced bugsquadders), or maintainers16:02
mac_v_s/beugsuqd/bugsquad16:02
mac_v_hggdh: yeah , thats the mentor/mentee difference , but i meant difference between the two groups16:03
hggdhgraduation from the mentorship will land the mentee into bug-control (this is the idea)16:03
mac_v_ah , ok16:03
hggdhbugsquad-mentorship is where you apply for mentorship, and where mentors look for mentees16:04
hggdhbugsquad  is going to be a closed group16:04
WeatherGodwhat do you mean by "closed group"?16:04
hggdh(i.e., you will have to apply, and be accepted)16:04
WeatherGoddoes this mean that ORs won't be able to modify statuses on bug reports?16:05
mac_v_hggdh: then bugsquad/bugcontrol difference? and what will happen to existing bugsquad members?16:05
hggdhcurrent bugsquad members will receive an email stating their membership is expiring, and will have to reapply16:06
hggdhwe are pretty sure that most of the 1800 current members are not there anymore16:06
macowhy is bugsquad being closed?16:07
WeatherGodheh16:07
macook thats fair nuff16:07
mac_v_yup , the members are not active ;)16:07
WeatherGodso is this more to get a better idea of the active membership?16:07
macobut what will being approved look like?16:07
macobecause BS isnt supposed to have BC's reqs16:07
hggdhmaco, indeed16:08
hggdhright now it will be the same16:09
hggdhbut we need to know how many bs's are actually there16:09
macoso everybody reapplies and then is auto-approved?16:10
macoor are you saying BS need to fill out form like BC now?16:10
WeatherGodhggdh, regarding that email... I think we need to be careful not to turn off some of the more casual members16:10
mac_v_hggdh: that can be done by asking members just re-apply16:10
mac_v_hggdh: but couldnt the mentor/mentee be done within bugsquad team itself? [/me knows its too many questions , but didnt understand why a separate -mentorship team was needed]16:10
mac_v_if the members has done good in the BS , then they can go to BC ;)16:11
mac_v_member*16:11
hggdhWeatherGod: this wil be the same as what happens now with bc16:12
mac_v_iirc BC is every 6months , which is quite good16:12
WeatherGodhggdh, I understand, but usually people involved in BC are much more committed to this16:13
WeatherGodhggdh, we could use this opportunity to renew interest in BS16:13
WeatherGodeven if we can get back a few members, that would be useful16:14
hggdhWeatherGod: yes, the pre-reqs for bc are more stricter than bs.16:16
hggdhthere is also a chance that, upon receiving the renewal email, a (currently MIA) bs will come back16:17
hggdhmac_v_: I do not think mentor/mentee would work within bs16:17
WeatherGodthat is what I am hoping... it will matter by how the email is worded16:17
hggdhheh16:18
hggdhyes. I would expect it will be very similar to what we have on bc16:18
mac_v_hggdh: hmm , most of the members listed as mentors on the wiki are also members of BC , it could have just been mentioned that these members are BC and are available for mentorship at these times , and the BS will have only mentees , who can graduate to BC... [but having both mentors and mentees in - mentorship didnt seem right]16:21
mac_v_anyways , you probably have a reason for the new team :)16:22
mac_v_and I'm just not understanding it ;)16:22
WeatherGodmac_v_'s explanation makes sense to me16:23
hggdhmac_v_: the bs-mentorship list carries all mentors (permanently); mentees have to apply (the group is closed), and remain members only while being mentored16:23
hggdhthis is easier than to manually list all mentors in the Wiki (we can just link to LP)16:24
hggdhand the current process (fully manual) was not working16:24
hggdhso, at any instant, we can find who is a mentee16:25
mac_v_hehe , easier to pull up by the ear ;p16:25
WeatherGodalso, wouldn't this allow some people to remain members of BS instead of being forced to graduate to BC?16:25
hggdhyes16:26
hggdhBRB, gotta drive my wife to the airport16:26
WeatherGodok, that makes sense16:26
WeatherGodok16:26
hggdha parting thought: I would like to continue this discussion when I get back16:28
WeatherGodnp16:28
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hggdhk, I am back18:22
WeatherGodhiya18:25
hggdhany new comments or questions on the mentorship?18:26
WeatherGodactually, I got sidetracked going over old bugs from a few weeks ago18:27
WeatherGodI think we are largely in agreement, it probably just needs a little bit of polish to make sure everything is clear and well-organized18:28
hggdhit does. What has happened is we started it with some ideas, and found that it got complex to manage18:29
hggdhso we are adjusting as we go18:30
WeatherGodit definitely would be good to streamline and automate the mentoring process18:30
WeatherGodit just seemed a bit haphazard when I jumped in18:31
hggdhthis is the idea. You got in early -- and helped show the shortcomings ;-)18:31
WeatherGodone thing that would be nice is that one could see potential mentors and see what areas of expertise18:32
WeatherGodoh, this mentor this is relatively new?18:32
WeatherGods/this/thing/18:32
hggdhyes, it is. We did have it, but it was completely unstructured (some of us did mentor before, but not formally)18:33
WeatherGodah18:33
hggdhI guess the mentor's areas of interest is one thing that should still be kept in the wiki page18:33
WeatherGodyeah, but one could see the project areas that a person is involved in through their launchpad page18:34
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WeatherGodwe probably also want to make clear what sort of goals need to be achieved to be considered "graduated", maybe?18:36
WeatherGodthe GettingInvolved page still says to email ubuntu-bugcontrol maillist to request a mentor, is that still the case?18:38
WeatherGodsomeone here speak French?18:40
WeatherGodI need this statement made into good French18:40
WeatherGodwhich restricted drivers did you end up installing18:40
PiciWeatherGod: Try ##french18:41
WeatherGodok18:41
hggdhWeatherGod: another channel might be #ubuntu-fr18:42
hggdhWeatherGod: I will adjust the wiki to state one has to request admission to the bs-mentorship group18:43
WeatherGodhggdh: that might be better place to go...18:44
WeatherGodwhat does it mean when an IRC group has double '#'?18:45
hggdhetali: wow you were fast ;-)18:45
PiciWeatherGod: ##channels are topical or unoffical channels. See http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming and #freenode for more information18:48
WeatherGodPici: thanks18:52
WeatherGodhggdh: the #ubuntu-fr was very helpful18:53
micahghggdh: dogatemycomputer pointed this out to me last night: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#About%20an%20incorrect%20translation18:53
etali•hggdh• - hehe, was following the discussion, figured I'd apply while I still had the URL handy :)18:53
micahghggdh: doesn't seem right18:53
hggdhmicahg: this is sort of weird indeed18:55
micahghggdh: I thought we open an upstream task to Ubuntu Translations...18:56
micahghggdh: should I add it to the meeting agenda?18:56
micahghggdh: I think we need a 2 hr meeting next week :)18:56
hggdhI think you should -- it is a bug, after all18:56
WeatherGodmicahg: hggdh: also, the wording of that canned response is poor18:56
hggdhpedro_: ^^^ any comments?18:57
WeatherGod"If you want to change a translation in Ubuntu there is the right place"?18:57
hggdhheh18:57
WeatherGodProbably should be "fix" or "correct" a translation18:58
WeatherGodand "that" instead of "there"18:58
WeatherGodwith a comma after Ubuntu18:59
hggdhindeed.18:59
hggdhBut I wonder if we should also clear it up18:59
hggdhWeatherGod: anyway, these errors justify the corrections you proposed. Care to get it done? ;-)18:59
hggdh(and please add a comment about what you changed)19:00
WeatherGodhggdh: sure, I'll clear it up19:00
hggdhthank you19:01
WeatherGods/clear/clean/19:01
WeatherGodnp19:01
greg-gdogatemycomputer: did everything make sense last night? I see micahg helped out finding the right package (thanks micahg!).19:01
pedro_hggdh, that sounds weird indeed19:01
hggdhno, I meant better state what should be done19:01
pedro_after making that change could you folks ping dpm to comment on that as well?19:01
pedro_he's coordinating the translations on Ubuntu so he might have a better stock response for that19:02
pedro_btw tomorrow is the translations bug day so perfect time to raise that with him :-)19:02
hggdhcool. pedro_, is there a channel for the translators?19:02
pedro_ #ubuntu-translators IIRC19:04
pedro_yes, that's the channel19:04
hggdhthank you19:04
pedro_np19:05
hggdhk, put the question to them, waiting on feedback19:06
WeatherGodok, why doesn't Ubuntu's wiki system have "edit" links for sections... like wikipedia has?19:06
WeatherGodit makes it so difficult to find the text you want to edit on a large page like that19:07
hggdhyes. One way is to use an external editor19:07
WeatherGodoh?19:07
hggdhbut now I have to remember the command, long time I do not use it19:08
hggdhWeatherGod: editmoin19:12
WeatherGodok, I will look into it19:13
WeatherGodthanks19:14
hggdhWeatherGod: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20translation%20bugs19:32
kklimondaI'd give my right arm if Canonical decided to only support a small number of hardware..19:34
* kklimonda is dying from answering questions about why some weird/obscure hardware doesn't work well/at all..19:34
WeatherGodwelcome to PC hell19:34
WeatherGodit is certainly better than it was a few years ago (at least, so it seems)19:35
WeatherGodhggdh, it looks fine to me19:36
WeatherGodI would probably do without the "if a"19:36
WeatherGodotherwise, looks informative19:37
WeatherGodsorry about being in such a grammar mode.... I am in the middle of revising journal articles for submission19:37
hggdh:-) I have done revisions also19:38
WeatherGodisn't bug triaging a nice distraction from writing?19:39
WeatherGod:-P19:39
hggdhWeatherGod: either you or I can update the stock response linking to the topic above19:39
WeatherGodah, update it to point to the correct url?19:40
WeatherGodoh, wait, no, I see19:41
WeatherGodwell, this is the stock response... what do we want to say?19:41
WeatherGodI am assuming this would be the response to use when switching the report over to the ubuntu-translations project?19:42
WeatherGodso, just setting it to a new url isn't right19:44
hggdhI think it would go like: thank you, etc, etc. Translations bugs should be assigned to the [[ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations|Ubuntu Translations project ]]; as such, we adjusted the package to it19:44
hggdhso something in this area19:44
hggdhs/so/or/19:45
hggdhadiroiban on #ubuntu-translators told me the process there is in flux right now19:45
WeatherGod"Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better.  Translations in Ubuntu are handled by the Ubuntu Translations project, so we are going to push this bug report over to that project"19:47
WeatherGodheh, still needs something better19:47
WeatherGodmaybe "... so that the correction can be made"?19:48
hggdhnot bad at all19:48
WeatherGodor be addressed19:48
hggdhjust make the Ubuntu Translations project a link19:48
WeatherGodof course19:48
fujimitsuhow about "move" instead of "push"19:48
WeatherGodgood idea19:48
hggdhno "so that corrections can be made" sounds rather stiffy19:48
WeatherGodprobably translate better, too19:48
hggdhand move instead of push, indeed19:49
WeatherGodok19:49
WeatherGodfor the link, can I just do [[ubuntu-translations]]?19:50
hggdhWeatherGod: thank you very much (and thank you, micahg1, for raising this up)19:50
hggdhWeatherGod: try it, and see if it resolves19:50
hggdhkklimonda: heh19:50
kklimondahggdh: a big lag? ;)19:51
hggdh:-D19:51
hggdhdoing some ten different things at the same time...19:51
WeatherGodok, done20:00
hggdhWeatherGod: perfect! Thank you (again)20:04
WeatherGodnp20:05
WeatherGodmaybe I should get back to doing the work I am actually paid to do20:05
WeatherGod:-P20:05
hggdhwell, I firmly believe I need money. The hell is that this is fun20:07
WeatherGodheh20:08
WeatherGodhow should bug 464087 get marked20:15
ubot4Launchpad bug 464087 in update-manager "Upgrade to Kubuntu 9.10 failed because site became unavailable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46408720:15
WeatherGodit could be construed as a wishlist for better load-balancing of the servers before the next release20:15
hggdhhum. Not as much load-balancing, as graceful recovery from TCP errors20:19
WeatherGodwhatever the case... I am not a network engineer20:19
WeatherGodit is something that we need to be better prepared for the LTS20:20
WeatherGodI think many of the bugs we encountered were from faulty upgrades20:20
WeatherGodwell, at least some of them20:20
hggdhI agree, in part: u-m should be able to either recover or fail in a nice way20:23
hggdhheh. It seems my sound got, er, lost20:24
kklimondawe should also test all packages with piuparts - there were some problematic updates in 9.04->9.1020:24
WeatherGodagreed20:25
WeatherGodhggdh: lost?20:25
hggdhlike no longer here20:25
WeatherGodok, let me pull out my debug sheet here...20:26
WeatherGodis your computer on?20:26
WeatherGod:-P20:26
hggdh:-)20:26
kklimondahave you tried to turn it off and on again? ;)20:27
WeatherGodno, no... you got to unplug it and reverse the cords20:27
hggdhah, polarity issues20:27
WeatherGodyeah... and be sure to just completely uninstall pulseaudio... because some guy in a Fedora forum said that would work20:28
WeatherGodhggdh, how should that bug report get marked?20:36
kklimondaargh, people who uninstall pulseaudio "just in case" should be burned...20:38
hggdhheh20:39
hggdhWeatherGod: search for previous bugs on u-m with requests for nicier erroring out20:39
WeatherGodok20:40
hggdhif none, then re-title this one to something like "update-manger should gracefully error out or recover from Internet failures"20:40
hggdhand we will mark it triaged/wishlist20:40
WeatherGodgotcha20:41
elMariachihi21:04
elMariachiI'm having problems with the follwing page giving me timeout since yesterday evening (it's evening now again in my timezone ;) )21:05
elMariachihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug21:05
mrandelMariachi: that link works great here... actually much faster than usual.  Having said that, do you know what package/application you are trying to report a bug against?  It would be great  if you could issue a "ubuntu-bug <package>" command in a terminal/shell window.  That collects info and automatically sorts it into the correct bucket.  The main ubuntu bug bucket is overflowing.21:07
elMariachimrand: no i cant say which package it is21:08
WeatherGodelMariachi, I talked to you yesterday, right21:08
elMariachiright21:08
WeatherGodwhat was your bug, again?21:08
elMariachithe freeze thingy21:09
elMariachibut with different hardware21:09
WeatherGodat boot, right?21:09
WeatherGodright21:09
elMariachino, at login to normal gnome session21:09
elMariachifailsafe works fine21:09
elMariachiit seeeeems to be connected to the usage of compiz21:09
WeatherGodmrand, I have no clue exactly what is at fault21:09
WeatherGodbut I am working on untangling a messy bug report21:10
elMariachimrand: I'm getting this error message: Error ID: OOPS-1432G293921:10
ubot4https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1432G293921:10
WeatherGodI am having them all subscribe me to it, so don't worry about the overflowing Ubuntu bin right now21:10
mrandgotcha21:10
mrandelMariachi: can you browse any of launchpad?21:13
elMariachiyes21:13
WeatherGodmrand, odd bug, isn't it?21:13
elMariachiactually the timeout happens, when i hit the continue button21:14
elMariachithe page itself loads21:14
elMariachisorry, forgot to say that :/21:14
mrandOk, so it's the next page that has all the fancy "could it be this bug" list that is failing.21:15
elMariachiif that is the next page ;)21:16
mrandYou could maybe try bugs.edge.launchpad.net.  I don't hold out high hope though, cause it has the same thing.21:16
elMariachithere is this message box saying, that i can disable redirection for two ours21:17
elMariachithat doesn't change anything..21:17
elMariachihours21:17
mrandWeatherGod: what do you think about just having elMariachi try to submit it using "ubuntu-bug gnome-session" and then move it as needed?   Oh wait, unfortunately I think that still takes you to that screen on the browser, so it'll likely not work either.21:18
mrandtoo bad the cli version of ubuntu-bug isn't released (that I'm aware of)21:18
WeatherGodI thought it was21:18
WeatherGod(I don't know, I am using Fedora right now)21:18
WeatherGodwe can file the bug against anything we want, I just want to see it filed21:20
WeatherGodjust a crazy thought....21:20
WeatherGodcould there be issues with Firewalls or Proxies?21:20
elMariachisorry, gotta go to bed.. i'm gonna try to file it against compiz tomorrow21:21
mrandThat's what I'm thinking, but that's out of my area of comfortable knowledge.21:21
WeatherGodsorry for your troubles21:21
WeatherGodsame here21:21
elMariachinaaa, dont worry21:21
elMariachiim using the os that we all dislike in the meantime21:21
mrandWeatherGod: there is apport-cli -p <packagename>, but that only works if there is a crash report pending21:21
WeatherGodah, that might be what I am thinking21:22
bdmurrayapport-cli -f -p packagename then K for keep21:27
bdmurraythen you can copy the bug report to another system and file it from there21:27
bdmurrayWeatherGod: ^21:27
WeatherGodhmmm, good to know... I got another guy who is having network issues21:27
WeatherGodstill, I wonder if the guy in question can access the webpage from anywhere else21:28
WeatherGodguess we will find out tomorrow21:28
WeatherGodhggdh, with regards to the u-m bug report21:31
WeatherGodI am finding some other reports that also stated possible overloaded servers, but are very light on details21:31
WeatherGodis it ok for now to create a "chain" of dupes?21:31
hggdhWeatherGod: yes, it is21:55
WeatherGodok, I will chain up some of the ones I found to the "meaner" one in the hopes of finding another report to use as the master21:56
hggdhk21:57
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dragon!info sreadahead22:50
dragonubot4: hi22:50
ubot4Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-bugs! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!22:50
dragonubot4: into sreadahead22:50
ubot4Factoid 'into sreadahead' not found22:50
dragonubot4: info sreadahead22:51
ubot4dragon: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.22:51
dragonIs it broken or does it not work at all?22:51
dragonI wish ubotu were here.22:51
WeatherGoddunno...22:51
WeatherGod!info apport22:51
* hggdh kicks ubot422:51
WeatherGoddon't kick the baby22:52
hggdhpunch is OK?22:52
dragonAny way, sreadahead is a transitional package in karmic and ubuntu-desktop depends on it. Is that a bug?22:52
WeatherGodsure22:52
dragon!who | WeatherGod22:52
ubot4WeatherGod: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)22:52
dragon:)22:52
dragonsee, the kick helped.22:53
WeatherGodhggdh, I got to go home now... but I have gotten a lot of bugs marked as dupes of bug 46408722:54
ubot4Launchpad bug 464087 in update-manager "Upgrade to Kubuntu 9.10 failed because site became unavailable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46408722:54
WeatherGodand of bug 48940322:54
dragonI don't want to !repeat :(22:54
ubot4Launchpad bug 489403 in update-manager "Update Manager experiences problem upgrading to '9.10'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48940322:54
WeatherGodthey might both be related... but I grouped the 404 errors into the second one22:54
dragonOh hey, I experienced a problem with update manager last night.22:54
WeatherGodplus, the second one seemed to happen over the past month22:55
dragonBut no tengo enough time to file a bug for that :(22:55
hggdh404 may be a result of mirrors lagging behind22:55
WeatherGodwell, we can still mark one as a dupe of the other, if needed22:55
WeatherGodI still haven't gotten all the reports marked yet, but those are my two groups22:55
hggdhk22:56
WeatherGodok, ttyl22:56
hggdhg'night, WeatherGod22:56
dragonbye WeatherDog22:56
dragonsreadahead is a transitional package in karmic and ubuntu-desktop depends on it. Is that a bug?22:57
hggdhdragon: it could be looked as one, but not for karmic (it does work there, does it not?)22:58
dragonhggdh: not sure what you mean23:01
dragonkarmic is working flawlessly, but this transitional package is present23:01
yofeldragon: sreadahead was replaced by ureadahead after release, that's why the package is there23:03
dragonyofel: and ubuntu-desktop depends on it.23:04
yofelyes23:04
hggdhdragon: I am not sure I understand what is the issue23:04
yofelsince it depended on sreadahead on release23:04
dragonyofel: ubuntu-desktop depends on a transitional package.23:04
hggdhand?23:04
yofeldragon: yes, but when karmic was released it wasn't a transitional package23:05
dragonI understand it already dependent on sreadahead at the time of release, but shouldn't it be dependent on ureadahead and not sreadahead now?23:05
dragons/it already/it was already23:05
yofeldragon: yes, and that will be fixed for lucid, but something like that doesn't justify a karmic SRU23:06
yofelsince it doesn't break anything23:06
dragonyofel: ok, I get it now.23:06
dragonthanks23:07
yofelactually it's already fixed in lucid23:07
dragoni see, cool23:10
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