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| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: do you think if suspend inhibition in Transmission is worth a SRU? | 00:10 |
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| chrisccoulson | kklimonda, pitti is the one to ask about that really. but the change should be fairly trivial (and the current state is a regression), so that would probably a good SRU candidate if somebody wants to do the work | 00:12 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: patch is ready (pretty trivial) in upstream repository, I can prepare a SRU later. I'll ask pitty tomorrow about it. | 00:13 |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda - thanks :) | 00:13 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-default-apps, looks like you are down for seeding two new games | 00:13 |
| rickspencer3 | is that ok? | 00:13 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, yes, I don't think I have the authority to do the actual seeding so I'll ask pitti to do that but I think we should try those new games in the alpha and see how they go | 00:14 |
| rickspencer3 | k | 00:14 |
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| and471 | jono: you here? | 06:46 |
| jono | hey and471 | 06:46 |
| and471 | jono: any luck or do you need me to troubleshoot it some more with you | 06:47 |
| jono | and471, I havent had time | 06:47 |
| jono | been hacking on some other bits | 06:47 |
| and471 | jono, btw sorry about cutting out early, I have a restriction on my internet time and forgot to tell you :-) | 06:47 |
| and471 | jono, do you have time to do it now? | 06:47 |
| jono | no worries | 06:48 |
| jono | let me check out the branch | 06:48 |
| and471 | ok | 06:48 |
| jono | and471: | 06:50 |
| jono | File "bin/lernid", line 193, in connect_to_resources | 06:50 |
| jono | self.chat.load_uri(chatirc) | 06:50 |
| jono | AttributeError: 'LernidWebView' object has no attribute 'load_uri' | 06:50 |
| and471 | ok | 06:50 |
| and471 | jono, are you running karmic? | 06:50 |
| jono | and471, yes | 06:50 |
| jono | I did have Lernid originally running with WebKit | 06:50 |
| jono | so something is odd in your code | 06:50 |
| and471 | jono: could you run the following in a terminal | 06:51 |
| and471 | jono: http://pastebin.com/d2cf6d69e | 06:52 |
| and471 | jono, just opaste eacvh line in and press enter | 06:52 |
| and471 | *paste *each | 06:52 |
| jono | AttributeError: 'webkit.WebView' object has no attribute 'load_uri' | 06:53 |
| jono | it has an issue with that attrib | 06:53 |
| and471 | jono, yeah, what I was testing is to see whether there was a problem with webkit or my code | 06:54 |
| and471 | jono, seems to be webkit | 06:54 |
| and471 | jono, okay can you find out the version of your python-webkit for me? | 06:54 |
| jono | and471, 1.1.5-1 | 06:57 |
| and471 | jono, ah, I have a version form a ppa it seems | 06:58 |
| and471 | *from | 06:58 |
| jono | and471, aha! | 07:00 |
| and471 | jono: does it work if you use python-webkit from this ppa https://launchpad.net/~webkit-team/+archive/ppa/+packages | 07:00 |
| jono | and471, I don't want to get non-Karmic components | 07:03 |
| and471 | jono, oh ok | 07:03 |
| jono | and471, also, why move to WebKit from GtkMozEmbed? | 07:03 |
| and471 | jono: it is meant to be a lot quicker, and I just hear better things about webkit, like it is easier to work with etc. | 07:05 |
| and471 | jono, anyway I am sure we can find a way for it to work | 07:05 |
| jono | did your branch add anything else? | 07:05 |
| and471 | jono, yep, parsing of the schedule | 07:05 |
| jono | and471, when I tried webkit it would not run the web IRC client | 07:05 |
| jono | and471, parsing the schedule? | 07:06 |
| jono | actually, I was working on that | 07:06 |
| jono | tonight | 07:06 |
| jono | I now have code to read in an iCal file and generate a schedule | 07:06 |
| jono | just trying to figure out how to convert between timezones | 07:06 |
| and471 | jono, oh | 07:06 |
| and471 | jono, what I was doing is downloading JUST the content from the wiki using a special url | 07:07 |
| and471 | jono, and then presenting that | 07:07 |
| jono | ahhh | 07:07 |
| jono | yeah, I am thinking we need structured datra | 07:07 |
| and471 | jono, that way I don't have to do any converting between formats | 07:07 |
| and471 | bbiab | 07:07 |
| jono | because then we can pop up notification bubbles 10mins before a session, convert timezones etc | 07:07 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:11 |
| baptistemm | hello | 07:15 |
| and471 | jono, in which case your way seems to way to go :-) | 07:18 |
| and471 | jono, go forward with that idea, it is a lot better than mine | 07:18 |
| and471 | jono, btw to convert between timezones, I am sure you can just use the time module | 07:19 |
| and471 | jono, http://docs.python.org/library/time.html | 07:19 |
| and471 | jono, well have fun doing that! | 07:19 |
| and471 | jono, see ya | 07:20 |
| jono | thanks and471 | 07:21 |
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| mac_v | pitti: hi ,regarding Bug 436755 , just wanted to mention that the deb from njpatel's ppa works but not sure why the repo version doesnt work | 08:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 436755 in evolution-indicator "indicator-applet doesn't change icon when I recieve new e-mails via Evolution" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/436755 | 08:07 |
| pitti | mac_v: hm, strange; does it have the same patch? | 08:17 |
| mac_v | pitti: not sure , i havent checked , njp might know about it | 08:29 |
| mac_v | pitti: one of the things i realised during testing njp's ppa was , it worked when i purged and then installed the deb [not sure how or why that is so] | 08:32 |
| mac_v | nearly same as reported by the last comment | 08:32 |
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| pitti | bonjour seb128_ | 08:39 |
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| seb128 | good morning everybody | 08:40 |
| seb128 | hey pitti, how are you? | 08:40 |
| pitti | splendid, how are you? | 08:43 |
| seb128 | very good thanks | 08:46 |
| seb128 | I had a good night and weather is nice | 08:46 |
| seb128 | go robert_ancell go | 08:47 |
| seb128 | nice to see him tackling merges and updates and uploading while we are sleeping there ;-) | 08:47 |
| pitti | indeed, impressive how much work we can get done just by sleeping :) | 09:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, I've uploaded a new sru for this indicator issues which failed verification | 09:05 |
| pitti | seb128: do you know "seed" and "gnome-js-common"? | 09:06 |
| pitti | thanks | 09:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes, those are javascript for GNOME | 09:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, njpatel forgot to add simple-patchsys to the rules | 09:06 |
| pitti | seb128: should we try to keep them out of main, or MIR/promote? | 09:06 |
| pitti | hah | 09:06 |
| seb128 | I guess he didn't use a correct patch for his ppa upload | 09:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, seed is used by gnome-games now... | 09:07 |
| seb128 | so get it to main | 09:07 |
| pitti | that's why I ask | 09:07 |
| pitti | current CD builds break because of that | 09:07 |
| pitti | but I guess in the long run we'll need it anyway | 09:07 |
| seb128 | yes | 09:07 |
| seb128 | epiphany-browser uses it too | 09:07 |
| seb128 | though that is in universe now | 09:07 |
| seb128 | but it's an semi-official GNOME thing | 09:08 |
| seb128 | I say semi because they are still arguing on gjs against seed | 09:08 |
| seb128 | ie bindings based on xul or webkit | 09:08 |
| seb128 | I would be in favor of keeping those out of the CD for lucid though | 09:09 |
| pitti | hmm | 09:09 |
| pitti | seb128: we could demote those two games | 09:10 |
| seb128 | which games are those? | 09:10 |
| pitti | that's why I asked about doing the default-apps seed changes | 09:10 |
| seb128 | I'm getting the sources right now | 09:10 |
| seb128 | 28 meg to download... | 09:10 |
| pitti | lightsoff | 09:10 |
| pitti | seb128: it's not a b-dep, just binary | 09:10 |
| pitti | and swell-foop | 09:11 |
| pitti | we didn't plan to include those on the CD anyway | 09:11 |
| seb128 | let's demote those | 09:11 |
| pitti | so I was about to change the seeds | 09:11 |
| seb128 | +1 | 09:11 |
| pitti | but I still wonder whether to keep them on the DVD | 09:11 |
| seb128 | doesn't hurt | 09:12 |
| pitti | i. e. the full gnome-games thing | 09:12 |
| pitti | ok, then we do need the MIR | 09:12 |
| pitti | I'll prepare both (seeds and MIRs) now | 09:12 |
| seb128 | I need to do some mirs too | 09:12 |
| seb128 | hey njpatel | 09:13 |
| njpatel | seb128: hey! | 09:20 |
| seb128 | njpatel, I've uploaded a new fix for this pop count issue, sorry that I didn't spot the previous one didn't have a patchsys rule | 09:22 |
| seb128 | njpatel, ie the patch didn't get used, not sure why it worked for your ppa though... | 09:22 |
| njpatel | seb128: oh, weird :-/ | 09:22 |
| njpatel | seb128: thanks for sorting it out :) | 09:23 |
| seb128 | np, sorry for not spotting the issue in the first upload | 09:23 |
| njpatel | seb128: your right...that's so weird (just checked old evo-indicator's rules file) | 09:24 |
| njpatel | seb128: dude, np :) | 09:24 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson_g1 | 09:42 |
| chrisccoulson_g1 | good morning everyone | 09:42 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson_g1 | 09:42 |
| pitti | yay G1 | 09:42 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson_g1, back to work? ;-) | 09:42 |
| chrisccoulson_g1 | hey seb128, yeah, I'm back to work today | 09:45 |
| chrisccoulson_g1 | but on a training course :) | 09:46 |
| seb128 | to what are you trained? | 09:46 |
| chrisccoulson_g1 | pitti - you're a g1 owner too arent you? | 09:46 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson_g1: right, and I love it | 09:46 |
| chrisccoulson_g1 | seb128 - I'm on a training course about analog simulation. its all stuff I've done before, but there is a free lunch on offer :) | 09:47 |
| * pitti pulls and challenges chrisccoulson_g1 for a "The Schwartz Unsheated" duel | 09:47 | |
| seb128 | lol | 09:47 |
| chrisccoulson_g1 | heh :) | 09:48 |
| seb128 | hey slomo | 10:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, what is the story with poppler in debian now? | 10:20 |
| seb128 | did everybody agreed on what to do? are people still arguing with upstream over the changes there? | 10:21 |
| pitti | seb128: Joss said that he reverted the ABI breakage for now to finish the testing migration | 10:23 |
| pitti | afterwards he'll upload a libpoppler5a with upstream's ABI again | 10:23 |
| pitti | which seems like a reasonable approach to me | 10:23 |
| seb128 | bah | 10:23 |
| seb128 | changing the name? | 10:23 |
| pitti | *shrug* it's not like upstream cares about it: ) | 10:24 |
| slomo | hi seb128 :) | 10:24 |
| seb128 | no but I hate weird names and going to binary new and rebuilding things which don't need a rebuild | 10:24 |
| pitti | it has caused utter, UTTER, HARD pain | 10:24 |
| pitti | seb128: they do need a rebuild anyway | 10:24 |
| pitti | with the difference that with a rename you avoid breakage | 10:24 |
| seb128 | no they don't? | 10:24 |
| pitti | sure they do | 10:24 |
| seb128 | at least not softwares using the glib bindings | 10:25 |
| seb128 | ie evince | 10:25 |
| pitti | things just maddingly fall apart if you don't | 10:25 |
| pitti | seb128: those shouldn't link against libpoppler5 directly then? | 10:25 |
| seb128 | are you sure? | 10:25 |
| pitti | see the 9023423 cups bugs that were reported | 10:25 |
| seb128 | they should not no but some do thanks to libtool | 10:25 |
| seb128 | I would rather use Conflicts then changing naming but I don't strongly care either way | 10:26 |
| pitti | how would adding Conflicts: all over the place help to reduce the effort? | 10:27 |
| pitti | it rather seems like a lot of explicit changes for a temporary issue than just a clean no-change rebuild | 10:27 |
| seb128 | slomo, you seem full speed on unstable versions for Debian ;-) do you know when is the freeze coming and what version of GNOME is expected? | 10:27 |
| slomo | seb128: no but last time i read something about it, the goal was 3.0 | 10:27 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh I didn't say it would reduce the effort I just dislike weird library renames | 10:28 |
| slomo | seb128: btw, do you have ubuntu specific changes in gtk 2.19? | 10:28 |
| seb128 | slomo, we don't have gtk 2.19 yet | 10:28 |
| seb128 | you are crack addict nowadays ;-) | 10:28 |
| seb128 | or you have lot of free time to deal with early unstable version bugs ;-) | 10:28 |
| slomo | seb128: i was working on a problem that i didn't make sense to me for a few hours yesterday... i needed distraction :) | 10:31 |
| seb128 | lol | 10:32 |
| slomo | seb128: and gtk 2.19 is great, nothing seems to be broken ;) only glib 2.23 has some problems | 10:32 |
| seb128 | slomo, I will have a look at syncing it from Debian | 10:32 |
| seb128 | I want to do some testing first though | 10:32 |
| seb128 | slomo, do you plan to start on 2.29 packaging too? | 10:33 |
| slomo | seb128: ok :) glib 2.23 makes many applications complain at startup, other than that it's fine too: (gvim:29639): GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname() called multiple times | 10:33 |
| slomo | seb128: only some parts that i'm interested in (glib, gtk, soup, epiphany), not sure about other stuff | 10:33 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:34 |
| seb128 | slomo, do you know what are the plan for gstreamer this cycle btw? | 10:34 |
| seb128 | I would like to avoid having a karmic situation for the lts | 10:34 |
| seb128 | the playbin2 changes created lot of new issues previous cycle | 10:34 |
| seb128 | and we had to take quite to rewrites etc to fix easy codec install, etc late in the cycle | 10:34 |
| seb128 | do you know if disruptive changes are coming this cycle too? | 10:35 |
| slomo | seb128: well, this changes were necessary because nobody reported bugs early enough ;) | 10:45 |
| slomo | seb128: i don't think this will happen again next cycle, it was bad timing everywhere | 10:45 |
| seb128 | slomo, I don't blame anybody but when you have rewrite, etc you can expect issues | 10:46 |
| seb128 | slomo, I'm just trying to figure if we can expect a bug fix cycle this cycle or if we need to be pro-active to avoid trouble | 10:46 |
| slomo | gst-plugins-base 0.10.26 has some more larger changes (related to playbin2 this time) that you don't have in any packages yet | 10:47 |
| slomo | after that i don't expect that this cycle there will be large rewrites/refactoring | 10:47 |
| seb128 | ok good | 10:48 |
| slomo | mostly bugfixes or new features | 10:48 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:48 |
| slomo | seb128: btw, are you going to update epiphany/webkit in karmic updates? imho 2.28 is nothing you want to use ;) | 10:51 |
| seb128 | slomo, no, not worth the trouble imho | 10:52 |
| seb128 | I would recommend people to use firefox or chromium anyway | 10:52 |
| seb128 | epiphany is a joke nowadays | 10:52 |
| slomo | do you know if a ppa exists with epiphany 2.29 and newest webkit? :) | 10:53 |
| seb128 | they keep adding requirements on new libsoup or webkit anyway | 10:53 |
| seb128 | that's not practical for stable updates | 10:53 |
| slomo | well, i don't like firefox and chromium :) midori might be another solution | 10:53 |
| seb128 | I don't know about a ppa no... | 10:54 |
| seb128 | let me have a look | 10:54 |
| seb128 | launchpad has this nice feature listing ppa versions | 10:55 |
| seb128 | slomo, https://edge.launchpad.net/~webkit-team/+archive/epiphany | 10:59 |
| seb128 | slomo, that has a 2.29.1 build for karmic apparently | 11:00 |
| cassidy | kenvandine, hey! Would be great if https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/491317 could be fixed; atm Empathy 2.29.x isn't installable without removing the session applet :( | 11:00 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 491317 in indicator-session "Shouldn't use libempathy" [Undecided,New] | 11:00 |
| seb128 | cassidy, we don't have 2.29 | 11:01 |
| slomo | seb128: thanks | 11:01 |
| cassidy | seb128, but you will in Lucid and as soon it's fixed in Lucid I can backport the packet to our PPA and so make it installable on Karmic | 11:01 |
| seb128 | cassidy, right, makes sense | 11:02 |
| seb128 | pedro_, hey | 11:04 |
| pedro_ | bonjour seb128 | 11:04 |
| seb128 | pedro_, how are you? | 11:04 |
| pedro_ | seb128, good good, how about you? | 11:05 |
| seb128 | good thank you! | 11:05 |
| seb128 | slomo, oh btw is there any plan to make gst-plugins-good0.10 stop using libhal since it uses udev now? | 11:44 |
| seb128 | or are both useful there? | 11:44 |
| * pitti gets a first panel with cached .desktop data | 11:49 | |
| seb128 | pitti, waouh! | 11:49 |
| slomo | seb128: both are useful, udev is only used for v4l2 while the hal plugin has audio sinks that use a hal udi as device name. it might make sense to write a new devkit plugin that does the same as the hal plugin later | 11:51 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 11:51 |
| pitti | does that even work with pulse? | 11:52 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i'd be interested to see your panel work :) | 11:52 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: so am I :) | 11:52 |
| pitti | I don't have a cache file generator yet, just a manually crafted one and the code to load it | 11:52 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm trying to think of ways to avoid gconf calls when loading the theme in g-s-d :) | 11:52 |
| pitti | that's what I'll tackle next | 11:52 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I just use a single pre-translated GKeyFile which has all the desktop files | 11:53 |
| pitti | that avoids all the stat()ing and translating | 11:53 |
| pitti | you still have to parse the actual data, of course | 11:53 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, i was wondering if you were going to use a GKeyFile or not, or if you had any other ideas | 11:53 |
| chrisccoulson | i used the same thing for loading the required components in gnome-session | 11:54 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I started with a tab-separated-value approach, but that gets too fiddly | 11:54 |
| pitti | and probably won't save so much time, too | 11:54 |
| chrisccoulson | and maybe i might do something similar in g-s-d to create a cache of theme info :) | 11:54 |
| pitti | but the .cache file has a lot of unnecessary keys filtered out, pre-translated, and single-file | 11:54 |
| pitti | once I have a complete cache, I'll do some timing | 11:54 |
| chrisccoulson | cool:) | 11:54 |
| chrisccoulson | i tried looking at ways to improve gconf speed yesterday, but i think that's a non-starter really. i think we just need to delay reading from gconf for as long as possible when loading the session | 11:56 |
| chrisccoulson | and i've already got a gnome-session that can start the session without reading from gconf :) | 11:56 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: but we do need to start gconf either way, right? | 12:00 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: some people looked at gconf speed a cycle ago I think and some patches went in | 12:01 |
| seb128 | I don't think we should spend lot of efforts on gconf now | 12:01 |
| seb128 | we will get dconf next cycle | 12:01 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - we do. but at the moment, it delays the whole session from starting. i was thinking that if we could start getting some session components loading and then start the gconf stuff whilst other things are loading, it might be slightly quicker | 12:01 |
| pitti | oh, right | 12:02 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i'm not going to spend too much time looking at it | 12:02 |
| seb128 | but delaying gconf use until later seems good | 12:02 |
| seb128 | lunch time! | 12:03 |
| pitti | vuntz: bonjour | 12:06 |
| pitti | vuntz: if you have a minute, I have a first patch for gnome-menus caching: http://pastebin.com/f788f609d | 12:07 |
| pitti | vuntz: the .cache file is basically a single GKeyFile, one section per app, with strings pre-translated (thus it's called desktop.<localename>.cache), and unnecessary fields stripped | 12:08 |
| pitti | vuntz: that provides per-directory caches (global cache is not really appropriate for distro integration), avoids lots of stat()ing, and i18n'ing | 12:08 |
| pitti | vuntz: do you think the general approach is okay? | 12:09 |
| vuntz | pitti: err, one big GKeyFile? | 12:22 |
| pitti | vuntz: I started with a CSV, but that quickly gets clumsy | 12:22 |
| vuntz | pitti: desrt was suggesting to use GVariant to have a binary mmap-able file | 12:22 |
| pitti | vuntz: is that in glib yet? | 12:23 |
| vuntz | pitti: I guess your approach can work in the meantime, but I won't accept that upstream | 12:23 |
| vuntz | pitti: not yet, will be merged "soon" | 12:24 |
| pitti | vuntz: ok, so if gvariant is faster, assume the patch would use variant instead of gkeyfile; what do you think about the general structure? | 12:24 |
| pitti | once gvariant lands, it's certainly promising | 12:25 |
| vuntz | pitti: shouldn't the cache be somewhere in /var ? | 12:26 |
| vuntz | (just reading the patch and commenting on details for now :-)) | 12:26 |
| pitti | vuntz: no problem, can do that | 12:27 |
| pitti | replacing '/' with '_' and prepending /var/cache/gmenu/ | 12:27 |
| pitti | vuntz: you'd lose the ability to have per-user cache files then, thoughh | 12:27 |
| pitti | (not that we want to integrate that by default, or that I deem it important to have) | 12:27 |
| vuntz | pitti: one issue is that your stuff is not recursive | 12:31 |
| vuntz | pitti: cached_dir_load_entries_recursive is really recursive | 12:31 |
| vuntz | pitti: (ie, it calls itself for subdirs) | 12:31 |
| pitti | vuntz: that was actually deliberate | 12:31 |
| pitti | a parent dir's cache should include the children | 12:32 |
| vuntz | so I would really rename functions :-) | 12:32 |
| pitti | no unnecessary start()/opendir()/parsing | 12:32 |
| pitti | ok | 12:32 |
| vuntz | I mean, right now, it's probably okay if we want the patch to not be invasive | 12:32 |
| vuntz | looks relatively sane | 12:32 |
| vuntz | but to get it upstream, there's some renaming to do, and gvariant, I guess | 12:33 |
| pitti | vuntz: which function would you rename? cached_dir_load_entries_from_cache_file() doesn't suggest it'd be recursive? | 12:33 |
| pitti | vuntz: gvariant> indeed, looking forward to that | 12:33 |
| vuntz | cached_dir_load_entries_recursive() | 12:33 |
| vuntz | ah, well | 12:33 |
| vuntz | I see | 12:33 |
| pitti | the cache builder needs to do the recursion | 12:33 |
| vuntz | I guess it's okay | 12:34 |
| pitti | in fact, cache builder == remove cache, gmenu_lookup_tree(), build key-file from that | 12:34 |
| vuntz | (my comments are really about style, which doesn't matter for now anyway :-)) | 12:35 |
| pitti | appreciated | 12:35 |
| pitti | it's the first time I hack on gmenu, so it took me some time to understand the structure | 12:35 |
| vuntz | yeah, it's, hrm, messy | 12:35 |
| vuntz | and you didn't even start trying to fix some monitoring bug | 12:35 |
| vuntz | it should get rewritten with real gobjects instead of pseudo-objects that have pseudo-signals | 12:36 |
| pitti | so, if that won't land upstream, I can just as well write update-gmenu-cache in Python for simplicity | 12:37 |
| vuntz | pitti: you probably also want to do something about gio, since g_app_info_get_all() will do the same | 12:37 |
| pitti | since that will need to be re-done anyway with gvariant | 12:37 |
| vuntz | yep | 12:37 |
| pitti | vuntz: oh, and that doesn't use gnome-menus? | 12:38 |
| vuntz | nope | 12:38 |
| pitti | okay | 12:38 |
| pitti | but I guess I'll do that once gvariant lands, to avoid doing things twice | 12:38 |
| kklimonda | good afternoon | 12:53 |
| kklimonda | pitti: can you take a look at bug 457123, is it a good candidate for sru now that the patch is ready? | 12:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 457123 in transmission "Transmission doesn't prevent suspend when torrent is active" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/457123 | 12:53 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| pitti | "/away -all | 13:31 |
| pitti | kklimonda: looks sane enough | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | cassidy, i snagged bug 491317 | 13:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 491317 in indicator-session "Shouldn't use libempathy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491317 | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | will look at it today | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | although i doubt it can be fixed for karmic | 13:37 |
| kenvandine | but for lucid for sure :) | 13:37 |
| daemonza | Hi any openbox users here? | 13:43 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey, he said that's ok they will backport the fix in their ppa | 13:52 |
| seb128 | 2.29 is not in karmic anyway | 13:52 |
| cassidy | yep | 13:57 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| chrisccoulson | mdeslaur - can you recreate the screensaver crash? | 14:15 |
| mdeslaur | chrisccoulson: no, unfortunately | 14:16 |
| chrisccoulson | that's a shame. i haven't seen it yet either :( | 14:16 |
| mdeslaur | chrisccoulson: yeah...it's hard to debug problems we can't reproduce :( | 14:17 |
| chrisccoulson | it is. the last screensaver crash was hard enough to debug, and i could recreate that one (albeit, not very often) | 14:19 |
| === robbiew-afk is now known as robbiew | ||
| * pitti smiles about his wife | 14:35 | |
| pitti | I just showed her dotty | 14:35 |
| pitti | she currently has a task to create some XML and DTD, and to do a structure tree | 14:36 |
| cj | grr... my laptop screen keeps dimming. how do I *really* disable delayed dimming? | 15:41 |
| cj | pitti: my wife is finally learning html & css. good fun. | 15:41 |
| MenZa | cj: my gf's on the Python wagon :) | 15:42 |
| cj | I unchecked 'Dim display when idle' and pushed 'Set display brightness to:' up to 100% in the Power Management Preferences dialogue. | 15:42 |
| cj | MenZa: onoes! what is the perl community going to do!? | 15:43 |
| MenZa | :D | 15:43 |
| * cj scowls at the competition | 15:43 | |
| pitti | vuntz, seb128: hm, using the single-reduced-keyfile approach is still slow, but it's an improvement | 15:44 |
| pitti | default: | 15:44 |
| pitti | cold cache: 7.9 | 15:44 |
| pitti | hot cache: 0.3 | 15:44 |
| pitti | patch: | 15:44 |
| pitti | cold cache: 2.7 | 15:44 |
| pitti | hot cache: 0.1 | 15:44 |
| pitti | (in seconds) | 15:44 |
| pitti | average of three runs | 15:44 |
| vuntz | pitti: still much better. And the mmap file should help quite a bit for the remaining part | 15:45 |
| pitti | yeah | 15:46 |
| pitti | a nice standard serialization API for this kind of nested data structures is badly missing indeed | 15:46 |
| pitti | FYI, that's the time of | 15:47 |
| pitti | setlocale(LC_ALL, ""); | 15:47 |
| pitti | GMenuTree* tree = gmenu_tree_lookup("applications.menu", GMENU_TREE_FLAGS_NONE); | 15:47 |
| pitti | printf("%p\n", gmenu_tree_get_root_directory(tree)); | 15:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, gains even small ones are welcome and that one is quite nice to get! | 15:59 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll upload it to a PPA | 15:59 |
| pitti | seb128: I have a call with Rick now and then I need to run | 15:59 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:59 |
| pitti | seb128: once it's built, would you want to do a test run? | 15:59 |
| pitti | seb128: upgrade to it, then | 16:00 |
| seb128 | sure | 16:00 |
| seb128 | does it work out of the box? | 16:00 |
| === bjf-afk is now known as bjf | ||
| seb128 | or do I need to generate the cache by hand? | 16:00 |
| pitti | update-gnome-menus-cache /usr/share/applications/ > /usr/share/applications/$LANG.cache | 16:00 |
| pitti | seb128: then remove the ureadahead cache | 16:01 |
| pitti | boot once to regenerate it | 16:01 |
| pitti | and then another time | 16:01 |
| pitti | since this will take out all the *.desktops from readahead | 16:01 |
| pitti | and include the .cache | 16:01 |
| seb128 | where is the cache? | 16:01 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll deal with those ^ in the final upload, but run out of time now | 16:02 |
| pitti | seb128: sorry, /usr/share/applications/desktop.$LANG.cache | 16:02 |
| pitti | /usr/share/applications/desktop.de_DE.UTF-8.cache | 16:02 |
| pitti | ^ for me | 16:02 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:02 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll move it to var | 16:02 |
| seb128 | and the the boot one? | 16:02 |
| seb128 | I've never cleaned that by hand | 16:02 |
| pitti | but I'm interested in how much it brings | 16:02 |
| seb128 | I usually let the distro do whatever is standard | 16:02 |
| pitti | seb128: /var/lib/ureadahead/pack ? | 16:02 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 16:02 |
| seb128 | I never looked at how that works | 16:02 |
| seb128 | it's just magic to me ;-) | 16:02 |
| pitti | see /var/lib/dpkg/info/ureadahead.postinst | 16:03 |
| pitti | rm -f /var/lib/ureadahead/pack /var/lib/ureadahead/*.pack | 16:03 |
| seb128 | cool | 16:03 |
| seb128 | I think I've everything I need for testing | 16:03 |
| seb128 | I will let you know how it goes | 16:03 |
| pitti | seb128: if it's worth doing, I'll add the magic triggering bits, cache autogeneration, etc. | 16:03 |
| pitti | seb128: merci! | 16:03 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: call now? | 16:03 |
| pitti | seb128: oops; just noticed a "slight" bug -- application entries don't actually work :-( | 16:05 |
| pitti | but well, that should be easy to fix :) | 16:05 |
| seb128 | still worth testing the speed? | 16:05 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, please | 16:05 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:05 |
| pitti | seb128: just move away the .cache file and restart panel | 16:05 |
| pitti | to get the default situation back | 16:06 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:06 |
| pitti | seb128: uploaded to desktop PPA now | 16:07 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:07 |
| * pitti pushes to bzr, too | 16:07 | |
| cj | so... any clue why my laptop monitor keeps dimming? | 16:20 |
| * pitti -> off for today | 16:32 | |
| seb128 | pitti, bye | 16:32 |
| === mac_v_ is now known as mac_v | ||
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|break | ||
| jcastro | rickspencer3, FYI I will be tracking the priority set of applications on my blueprint | 17:07 |
| jcastro | wrt dx-lucid-application-indicator | 17:07 |
| kenvandine | jcastro, cool | 17:08 |
| jcastro | once I get the DX team to commit to the list I will add it to my bp, file the bugs for each one, etc. | 17:08 |
| bryce | can someone tell me what version of gnome is being targeted for Lucid? (ATI wants to know for fglrx) | 17:20 |
| baptistemm | bryce, I would guess 2.30 | 17:29 |
| baptistemm | better to ask to seb128 | 17:30 |
| chrisccoulson | hello seb128 | 18:27 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 18:28 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 18:28 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, not too bad, although a bit tired. just got back in from work | 18:28 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you? | 18:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, the gnome-menus caching is a 0.5 second win apparently | 18:29 |
| kenvandine | seb128, awesome | 18:29 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, quite good, thanks, feeling like I didn't make best use of my time for 2 hours though | 18:29 |
| chrisccoulson | how come? | 18:30 |
| seb128 | I tried to install karmic on computer which failed at grub stage | 18:30 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, that's not good | 18:30 |
| seb128 | then the installer wouldn't go after the timezone steps in the installer | 18:30 |
| chrisccoulson | did you get it working in the end? | 18:30 |
| seb128 | and usb-creator just fail on lucid | 18:30 |
| seb128 | so I had to reboot my laptop to create a new usb key from a cdrom boot... | 18:31 |
| seb128 | no | 18:31 |
| seb128 | I've an install done but no grub booting it | 18:31 |
| seb128 | I just finished rewriting the key | 18:31 |
| seb128 | at least I managed to try the gnome-menus caching changes from pitti meanwhile | 18:31 |
| chrisccoulson | i had issues installing karmic on my desktop, but it turned out to be my fault in the end | 18:31 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that looks quite promising | 18:32 |
| seb128 | I hate the multi-disk with win scenario | 18:32 |
| seb128 | I never know where to install grub | 18:32 |
| seb128 | and I'm always scare to nuke the winxp bootloader and get people angry | 18:32 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't have that issue any more :) | 18:32 |
| chrisccoulson | well, i have multiple disks, but only one OS | 18:32 |
| seb128 | default install picked sdb which is were the linux partition is | 18:33 |
| seb128 | that failed though | 18:33 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure about using sda since I don't want to overwrite the win bootloader | 18:33 |
| chrisccoulson | my issue was that i used to use dmraid on my machine, and when i nuked that, there was still some metadata left on the disk, and it messed things up | 18:33 |
| seb128 | yeah, I noticed you had quite some fun during karmic with your boot config | 18:34 |
| seb128 | especially with the boot speed changes which landed | 18:35 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i had a lot of issues with that, but mainly down to my wierd config ;) | 18:35 |
| === eeejay is now known as eeejay_away | ||
| fagan | can someone help me diagnose a bug in lucid? Im having panels dissapear and reappear every 2 or 3 seconds | 19:39 |
| kklimonda | will we have a simple way to install only selected packages from -backports in 10.04 ? | 19:44 |
| chrisccoulson | fagan - is gnome-panel just crashing? | 19:44 |
| fagan | It seems to load but then removes itself then reloads | 19:45 |
| fagan | it does that over and over | 19:45 |
| chrisccoulson | right, it will do that if it's crashing | 19:45 |
| fagan | I dont know how to debug it without being able to access terminal | 19:46 |
| chrisccoulson | but you would either need to obtain a backtrace of that, or enable apport and have it catch the crash instead | 19:46 |
| fagan | I cant get to terminal | 19:46 |
| chrisccoulson | why not? | 19:46 |
| fagan | Alt+f4 cant stay open long enough and I cant get it through the menu | 19:47 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, why not just switch to a VT instead? | 19:47 |
| chrisccoulson | the panel is not really needed to get access to a terminal | 19:47 |
| === MacSlow|break is now known as MacSlow | ||
| fagan | Oh ok so what should I be looking for? | 19:48 |
| chrisccoulson | well, you should probably try enabling apport first | 19:48 |
| chrisccoulson | if it's crashing, you can submit a crash report then | 19:49 |
| fagan | chrisccoulson: isnt apport enabled already? | 19:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't think it's enabled this early on in the cycle | 19:49 |
| fagan | Oh ok so ill enable apport and see what that picks up | 19:50 |
| chrisccoulson | cool, thanks | 19:50 |
| seb128 | fagan, you should be able to right click on the desktop and create a launcher | 19:50 |
| seb128 | works usually to open a command line | 19:50 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, i didn't think of that | 19:50 |
| chrisccoulson | i just normally switch to a VT when debugging core desktop components | 19:51 |
| fagan | ill be back in 10 and ill see what I can find out | 19:51 |
| fagan | ok so to start apport I need to sudo service apport start? | 20:02 |
| fagan | ok so to start apport I need to sudo service apport start? | 20:03 |
| fagan | chrisccoulson: the original crash was in libsnmp-base | 20:05 |
| fagan | apport isnt picking up the crash. It only says seg fault in terminal when I try load gnome-panel manually. I also tried with compiz on and compiz off it still seg faults. | 20:12 |
| fagan | This is something bad | 20:12 |
| fagan | The only thing of interest I can see is (gnome-panel:7947): Gdk-WARNING **: /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.19.1/gdk/x11/gdkdrawable-x11.c:952 drawable is not a pixmap or window | 20:18 |
| fagan | But that might be unrelated | 20:19 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, fagan has disappeared now | 21:00 |
| chrisccoulson | i wonder if he's figured out how to enable apport yet :-/ | 21:00 |
| === eeejay_away is now known as eeejay | ||
| seb128 | hey robert_ancell | 21:59 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey | 22:00 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 22:00 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, good | 22:01 |
| seb128 | cool | 22:01 |
| fagan | ooh I think my problem maybe a python issue because firefox crashed and complained about python | 22:02 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I would like to change a bit versions.html this cycle but want to discuss it with you before | 22:02 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, sure | 22:02 |
| seb128 | I'm slightly annoyed by having things there we don't care about | 22:02 |
| seb128 | ie openssh | 22:02 |
| seb128 | you are the one who added those, what were you aiming at? | 22:03 |
| === Riddelll is now known as Riddell | ||
| seb128 | having all the things on the cd there? | 22:03 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, just adding everything on the cd | 22:03 |
| seb128 | I sort of what to use the list for desktop team todolisting | 22:03 |
| seb128 | what -> want | 22:03 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I propose you just quote out the things we don't want in the versions.py and we see if anyone (including me) complains | 22:03 |
| seb128 | so things we don't touch would be nice out of the way | 22:04 |
| seb128 | other thing is that we need a way to fix a serie | 22:04 |
| * fagan cant pastebin because firefox and chrome dont stay alive :( | 22:04 | |
| seb128 | like dbus is 1.3 and we want 1.2 | 22:04 |
| seb128 | and I think it's what we want | 22:04 |
| seb128 | how would you suggest handling that? | 22:04 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, that one is harder.. that was when I started looking at launchpadlib to do that as it tracks that information. I couldn't get it to work though | 22:05 |
| seb128 | adding an extra optimal argument to the list? | 22:05 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, the bit I was worried about was the potential increase in download times. | 22:05 |
| seb128 | why? | 22:05 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, agreed, extra arg will do it for now | 22:05 |
| seb128 | the current list is (component, url) | 22:06 |
| seb128 | if we had (component, url, optionalserie) we could use the extra argument for version matching | 22:06 |
| seb128 | that should not mean anything else for downloads | 22:06 |
| robert_ancell | yes agreed, don't block on me. | 22:06 |
| seb128 | ok | 22:07 |
| robert_ancell | I don't know how long it takes to run on pittis box but it takes ages for me here :) | 22:07 |
| seb128 | next thing I would like to do is a way to update the list without querying upstream urls and launchpad | 22:07 |
| seb128 | just refreshing ubuntu and debian versions | 22:07 |
| seb128 | and gnome for things in the vuntz's list, that's quick too | 22:08 |
| fagan | brb | 22:08 |
| seb128 | right | 22:08 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yes, I was looking at two scripts - one to basically do what vuntz is doing for all upstreams and the other to generate the list and check for LP bugs | 22:08 |
| robert_ancell | run the second one on demand (or near to demand) | 22:09 |
| robert_ancell | and ideally to trigger the former from email on the GNOME FTP list | 22:10 |
| seb128 | right | 22:10 |
| === eeejay is now known as eeejay_away | ||
| seb128 | anyway that's some extra work | 22:10 |
| seb128 | I think I will start by adding the serie thing | 22:10 |
| seb128 | that will avoid having people working on things we don't want to update | 22:11 |
| robert_ancell | sure, it's all incremental stuff (though I talk to the LP guys now and then how we can do it with their data) | 22:11 |
| seb128 | and clean a bit the list | 22:11 |
| robert_ancell | yes | 22:11 |
| robert_ancell | +1 | 22:11 |
| seb128 | :-) | 22:11 |
| seb128 | totem merged, that one was annoyed | 22:11 |
| robert_ancell | (just please leave the data in the versions.py so we can use it at a later time if we want it) | 22:11 |
| robert_ancell | yes I tried totem and gave up the other day | 22:12 |
| seb128 | good point, I will comment those | 22:12 |
| seb128 | the remaining merges start being annoying | 22:12 |
| robert_ancell | they're all annoying :) | 22:12 |
| seb128 | well some are trivial | 22:13 |
| seb128 | like copy the lpi patch and be done | 22:13 |
| robert_ancell | some have more changelog than merge! | 22:13 |
| seb128 | I just keep the current changelog entry ;-) | 22:13 |
| seb128 | btw don't bother merging the changelog | 22:13 |
| robert_ancell | I now have to deal with three layers of merging - oem project specific + oem + ubuntu + debian | 22:14 |
| seb128 | just drop the previous entries if you do a summary | 22:14 |
| seb128 | hehe | 22:14 |
| seb128 | oh btw we usually start at ubuntu1 not ubuntu0 | 22:14 |
| seb128 | (you used ubuntu0 for the file-roller one) | 22:15 |
| robert_ancell | oh I keep screwing up the version numbers... | 22:16 |
| fagan | ok so I need someone to walk me through debugging this crash. Command by command please because I dont have a clue about debugging | 22:17 |
| fagan | first how do I start apport? | 22:17 |
| fagan | chrisccoulson: help ^ | 22:20 |
| chrisccoulson | fagan - you need to enable apport in /etc/default/apport | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | and then restart it with "sudo service apport restart" | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | i've got to disappear for a bit, but i'll be back later | 22:22 |
| fagan | cool ill see what i can find out | 22:23 |
| fagan | hmmm im getting a weird error when I try start apport | 22:24 |
| fagan | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/333457/ | 22:25 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm back again for a few minutes, it was a false alarm ;) | 22:25 |
| chrisccoulson | i've no idea what that error means | 22:25 |
| fagan | pitti: ^^^ | 22:25 |
| * fagan thinks its a python problem | 22:25 | |
| fagan | Ok the recent crashes I got were for libsnmp-base libfreetype6-dev so what do those packages do that can crash gnome-panel with a segfault | 22:30 |
| fagan | Ok after fiddling about a little I know where the segfault is | 22:33 |
| fagan | Its something to do with the menus | 22:33 |
| fagan | anyone any ideas? | 22:37 |
| fagan | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/333471/ chrisccoulson here is a better error why gnome-panel is crashing | 22:42 |
| === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii | ||
| === seb128_ is now known as seb128 | ||
| * fagan feels very alone with his problem and will reinstall in the morning but still wants to figure out the problem | 22:51 | |
| robert_ancell | seb128, can you look at the metacity update I did - it doesn't seem uploadable by me | 22:51 |
| robert_ancell | (in bzr) | 22:52 |
| seb128 | why not uploadable? | 22:52 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ^? | 22:55 |
| robert_ancell | bug 490214 | 22:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 490214 in metacity "Merge with Debian 1:2.28.0-2" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490214 | 22:56 |
| robert_ancell | permissions - is metacity on the ~ubuntu-desktop list? | 22:56 |
| seb128 | what error do you get on upload? | 22:56 |
| robert_ancell | I'll try again | 22:56 |
| * ccheney will finally get to see snow again at home, was gone to UDS last year when it happened and hadn't happened in about 15 years before that | 23:03 | |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, time to go to bed for me, I will check with pitti tomorrow if you didn't upload during your day | 23:03 |
| seb128 | or rather if it your upload doesn't make it to lucid | 23:03 |
| seb128 | 'night everybody!! | 23:04 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, "Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main'." | 23:04 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, night! | 23:04 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, will check with pitti tomorrow and get that fixed if somebody knows what's going onj | 23:04 |
| seb128 | bye | 23:04 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: seems metacity is in "core" then; I sent the command to the -desktop ML some days ago | 23:10 |
| pitti | edit_acl.py, I meant (for checking permissions) | 23:10 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, ok, thanks! | 23:10 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: need sponsoring for metacity? | 23:11 |
| ph8 | hey all, i've got a 3 screen nvidia setup and i've got a problem with moving windows. Often when i click a window's toolbar and drag it the last window i had selected gets dragged instead - any idea what's up with that? | 23:11 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, yes please - might as well upload it now | 23:11 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: FYI, upgrades from gutsy are no longer supported, so we can drop delta from that | 23:16 |
| pitti | (preinst bits) | 23:16 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, cool, I was going to ask about that. What is the rule about what we have to support upgrading from? | 23:17 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: version -> version, LTS -> LTS in general | 23:18 |
| robert_ancell | ok | 23:18 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: so, we need to keep upgrade quirks for "since last LTS" until the next LTS is released | 23:18 |
| pitti | i. e. currently we need to keep all upgrade quirks since hardy, until after lucid's release | 23:18 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: want to drop that delta and remove from changelog before upload? | 23:19 |
| robert_ancell | sure, will do now | 23:19 |
| * robert_ancell compiling metacity... | 23:20 | |
| chrisccoulson | fagan - i'm not convinced that error message is anything to do with the crash. but, without a backtrace, it doesn't really tell me anything at all | 23:26 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, ready to upload | 23:31 |
| pitti | thanks! nice, that dropped a lot of cruft | 23:32 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: BTW, now that you can upload most bits, do you know that/how to use debuild -v with merges? | 23:33 |
| robert_ancell | no | 23:33 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: so, with -v<version> the source.changes will include all changelogs since (not including) version | 23:34 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: i. e. that on -changes@ you both see the last one as usual ("merged from debian blabla") and also the actual changes from Debian | 23:35 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: <version> should be "last version in Ubuntu" | 23:35 |
| robert_ancell | ah ok | 23:35 |
| robert_ancell | can you do that from bzr-buildpackage? | 23:35 |
| pitti | i. e. here I did "bzr bd -S -- -sa -v1:2.28.0-0ubuntu1" | 23:35 |
| pitti | yes, it takes debuild arguments after -- | 23:36 |
| robert_ancell | I notice you can't do bzr-buildpackage -S -sa which is annoying | 23:36 |
| robert_ancell | yay! | 23:36 |
| pitti | -S is special | 23:36 |
| pitti | -S -- -sa works | 23:36 |
| pitti | another useful thing is bzr bd -- -b -us -uc for a test build | 23:36 |
| pitti | you get the idea | 23:36 |
| robert_ancell | nice | 23:37 |
| pitti | good night everyone! | 23:43 |
| bryce | pitti, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc2Mw | 23:51 |
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