[01:40] <michaelg> Greetings! When I try to install Karmic on a new Thinkpad SL510, I get a blank screen after selecting "Install Ubuntu" after reboot with the Desktop Install CD in the tray.  Ctrl-alt-delete still reboots, but ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't get me to the tty1 login prompt.  Can someone suggest what to do next, please?
[01:41] <michaelg> Same blank screen when I "Try ubuntu w/o modifying computer", and when I install via Wubi then reboot into UBuntu.
[05:25] <minerva> could somebody walk me through the install without external peripherals?
[05:25] <minerva> i've got the stuff downloaded to my c: drive
[05:25] <minerva> used unetbootin
[05:26] <minerva> tried to boot to c: but can't get it to do it
[05:26] <minerva> oh wait
[05:26] <minerva> ok
[05:26] <minerva> what i did was
[05:26] <minerva> i went the traditional route, downloaded and burned a cd
[05:27] <minerva> but it would halfway install, then hang
[05:27] <minerva> so i tried burning the cd slower, same problem
[05:27] <minerva> now when i boot up i get the dual-boot window with win2K and ubuntu options
[05:28] <minerva> i.e., it won't send me to c: drive even though i've selected that as my first boot drive
[05:28] <minerva> is there a way to uninstall that half-installed ubuntu?
[09:13] <davmor2> cjwatson: are there meant to be some alternate iso's?
[10:18] <cjwatson> davmor2: I assume they failed to build
[10:40] <LewRockwellFAN> Can I add a line for my DVD drive to the grub.conf? If I can what do I call the drive?
[12:20] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3605 ubiquity/debian/changelog: grammar
[12:21] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3606 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/debconffilter.py):
[12:21] <CIA-15> ubiquity: Pass DATA command through debconffilter rather than swallowing it,
[12:21] <CIA-15> ubiquity: restoring useful progress information (LP: #445385).
[12:39] <CIA-15> localechooser: cjwatson * r153 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog post-base-installer):
[12:39] <CIA-15> localechooser: Make sure /target/etc/default exists before creating
[12:39] <CIA-15> localechooser: /target/etc/default/locale (LP: #491198).
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[15:15] <ev> There's an outside chance the GTK+ height-for-width code will land in 2.20
[15:15] <ev> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2009-October/msg00052.html
[15:15] <cjwatson> "extended layout"?
[15:15] <ev> yes, sorry for not being more clear on that
[15:16] <ev> more information on that here: http://live.gnome.org/MathiasHasselmann/NewLayoutManager
[15:37] <CarlFK> "the following Linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the kopt pareter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst. Please verify that it is correct, and modify it if necessary.  Linux command line: ____"  It is blank. Is that expected?
[16:01] <CarlFK> http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/conf_grub-pc1.png
[16:17] <CarlFK> http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/conf_grub-pc2.png  "... It ls recommended that you do this in most situations..."  so shouldn't that be the default?  or at least check of sda?
[16:21] <cjwatson> 1> yes, though that shouldn't appear during installation (you give no context so I have no idea what you're doing)
[16:22] <cjwatson> 2> we simply don't know the right answer, really, and I don't want to auto-select something because people claim it as data loss when it goes wrong
[16:22] <cjwatson> 2> anyway we already have a spec to make this more reliable
[16:23] <CarlFK> cjwatson: 1) lucid netboot alt installer, using a karmic preseed file
[16:23] <cjwatson> it is not expected that either of those dialogs should appear during installation.
[16:23] <CarlFK> 2 - that makes sense.  just thought it needed pointing out
[16:24] <CarlFK> want me to do it without the preseed and see if they show up? (not sure why that would matter, but it is easy enough)
[16:35] <cjwatson> I don't think it should matter, just give me a bug with the log and preseed file I guess
[16:38] <CarlFK> will do
[16:40] <CarlFK> Another one that I bet isn't expected: "Various snmp software needs extracted MIBs from RVCs and IANA..." http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/conf_libsnmp-base1.png
[16:41] <cjwatson> bug in the individual package asking the question, rather than in the installer as such
[17:22] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3607 ubiquity/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[17:22] <CIA-15> ubiquity: * Fix KDE frontend translation issues (LP: #478006):
[17:22] <CIA-15> ubiquity:  - Retranslate install_process_label when the language changes.
[17:22] <CIA-15> ubiquity:  - Make "Layout:", "Variant:", and "Below is an image of your current
[17:22] <CIA-15> ubiquity:  layout:" translatable.
[17:26] <CarlFK> Alt-f2 busybox gives me a banner, but no prompt: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/bb1.png
[17:28] <CIA-15> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3608 ubiquity/debian/real-po/ (81 files): debconf-updatepo
[17:52] <cjwatson> CarlFK: I can't reproduce that
[17:58] <davmor2> cjwatson: this lock up issue bug 491027 been fixed as in will we have installable iso's tomorrow do you know?
[17:58] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 491027 in python-apt "Lucid installer hangs at the 85%-95% mark" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491027
[17:59] <cjwatson> that part will be fixed, although it depends on general installability of the archive
[17:59] <cjwatson> I can't predict that
[18:01] <davmor2> cjwatson: okay cool hopefully it would be nice to test before next week so we know the breakages in advance of A1 :)
[18:04] <CarlFK> cjwatson - I got "install step failed", hit a-F4, a-f2, enter. a-f1 back to error dialog, hit 'continue' got menu, selected 'interactive shell' and have a # prompt.  a-f2, that shell still stuck.  anything I should check in the vt1 shell?
[18:07] <cjwatson> err. ps, does the shell seem to be running?
[18:07] <cjwatson> I don't know I doubt I can debug it remotely
[18:07] <cjwatson> sorry, lag
[18:07] <cjwatson> sort of sounds as though it's run out of memory
[18:07] <cjwatson> if that's remotely polausible
[18:07] <cjwatson> or that the kernel is otherwise unhappy
[18:17] <CarlFK> ps - I see /bin/sh /bin/setupcon (2 times - I tried vt3 too.)  and just /bin/sh which I bet is the vt1 shell.  free mem: 371k total, 339k used, 31k free, swap: 473k, 0 used  http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/vt1_1.png
[18:18] <cjwatson> ok, so sounds like setupcon is upset
[18:19] <cjwatson> what keyboard layout did you select?
[18:20] <cjwatson> can you show me:  grep '^[^#]' /etc/default/console-setup
[18:20] <CarlFK> my pxe boot line:  locale=en_US console-setup/layoutcode=us
[18:21] <cjwatson> still can't reproduce. can you restart, use the F1 shell to put 'set -x' on the second line of /bin/setupcon, and then start the F2 shell and tell me where it gets stuck?
[18:25] <CarlFK> I loaded sshd, then realized that may pollute the bug hunt.. should have asked... can start over if you want.)  anyway, grep output:   http://dpaste.de/2tSh/
[18:37] <CarlFK> "can you restart... " just saw that.  restarting..
[18:38] <cjwatson> (away)
[18:42] <CarlFK> what editor exists int he bb shell?
[18:55] <cjwatson> nano
[19:54] <CarlFK> swell.  I did basically the same thing, got a prompt.  trying to reproduce doing exactly the same thing....
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[22:20] <CIA-82> ubiquity: superm1 * r3609 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/mythbuntu/mythbuntu_install.py): Mythbuntu frontend: don't default to UseEvents for NVIDIA anymore.