[00:02] baccenfutter: wtf - who did? [00:04] the garrythefish guy [00:41] how can i show the real group and effective group for processes in he output of ps? === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl [00:57] hi, i'm setting up postfix on my hardy heron server and I was wondering what would the best option be for a website that sends simple emails for welcome and orders? [00:57] there is "internet site" internet site with smarthost" [00:57] and some other options [00:58] isn't there already a mail server on your network you can use? [01:05] lunaphyte: i'm using a slice from slicehost [01:05] I don't know, i'm kind of new to the mail server thing [01:05] there is something called sendmail I think [01:06] to be honest, I acutally need some realy help getting my mail server set up [01:06] running a mail server isn't trivial. you really should employ someone who can ensure things go well. [01:07] lunaphyte: I have no money, I guess this is more of a learning experience [01:07] now if I had a job... haha [01:07] employ doesn't necessarily mean money. [01:08] does slicehost provide a mailserver for their customers to use? if so i would just use that. [01:09] um, I don't know I should ask [01:09] probably a good idea. [01:10] I guess the problem is my rails app uses :sendmail for the server [01:10] that's no problem. [01:11] assuming your provider provides a mail server, all you need is a null client, not an mta. [01:11] lunaphyte: how does that normally work? [01:11] what? [01:12] greetings all [01:12] I have one account with webfaction which has a mailserver at mail.webfaction that I can send mail through from an app [01:12] much like thenetduck [01:12] but I've recently started using a vps [01:12] which doesn't explicitly have a mail server for this [01:13] this is support channel for ubunter server correct? [01:13] or at least there isn't something like mail.vpscompany.com, like webfaction provided [01:13] lumpEee: no it's for elephants who like to eat peanuts [01:13] mrchrisadams: you'd just have to ask, like thenetduck [01:13] oh good i fit in there too [01:13] haha [01:15] and thenetduck, likely i will have more dumb Qs [01:15] ah, "A null client is a machine that can only send mail. " - http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html [01:16] lumpEee: i'm pretty much the biggest noob on the chanell so ask away ahah [01:16] I like ubuntu, have needs best met by a server and am rather a n00b at ubuntu server [01:16] i ain't even ready to ask yet [01:16] i am reading through docs and figured it be a good idea to lurk here a bit [01:17] i love ubuntu though [01:17] just not used to any type of server stuff outside of CPanel [01:19] lumpEee: feel free to lurk, I'm a windows sysadmin who'se slowly converting to the dark side :) === mneptok is now known as weremnep [01:19] lunaphyte: well they do but it's 10/month for it. I'm not paying that haha [01:19] no surprise there. === weremnep is now known as mneptok [01:20] thedoble, i still have a ME machine running.. lol [01:20] other than that one XP and the other 4 all flavors of ubuntu [01:22] lumpEee: heh, I am not yet a fan of ubuntu desktop, but I like the server version a lot. I have a macbook now as well so I am slowly weaning myself off microsoft ! [01:23] i have the studio version, the net book remix version, the desktop (although I mostly use it as storage via the network) and just build a server [01:23] oh yes. Apple is a *much* more open company than is Microsoft. they treat their users with respect, assuming them to be intelligent and capable. [01:23] [01:24] i am rather fond of the way they did the netbook version [01:24] i really like it on this Eee [01:24] studio is also very good with a real time kernel [01:26] lol [01:26] but as for the desktop version. I just set up file sharing and it sits in my lr [01:28] my7 migration seem to be more toward ubuntu than "a company that used to be deifned by a band" [01:28] heh [01:29] sorry i am an apple fan in another way [01:30] i still struggle to get my head around linux file permissions in samba [01:30] thanks for saying that [01:31] one of the things i am having problems with myself [01:31] corect my n00b arse if wrong [01:32] it just don't seem to work right from the GUI [01:33] i dont know, I don't use the GUI, but I do know that it can be really confusing in the command line too [01:33] i think its just different [01:33] and i need to relearn how i think about it [01:34] i am not afraid of cli [01:34] just reaaaal rusty at it [01:34] the last time i played with php it was 3.0 [01:36] i am just at a point where i really need a server [01:36] so it is time to hit the books again so to speak [01:38] hehe [01:38] i dont do much work with web servers [01:40] more of a database and media server in my case [01:45] cool [01:45] yeah i am mostly file/print/domain/email stuff [01:46] small businesses [01:46] i do podcast and internet radio [01:47] i do all indie artists [01:48] i just need to create a server so that I am not the only one able to enter data to the database and add media to the streaming server [01:48] i know it can be done [01:48] i believe i am tech competent enough to do it [01:48] just not sure exactly how and gotta shake some rust out of me [01:49] nice one [01:49] sounds like a good project [01:49] good luck :) [01:49] have you read through the ubuntu official documentation ? [01:49] some of it is brilliant stuff [01:50] i am doing that as i go back and forth [01:50] i have actually installed server 2x atm [01:51] each time i do so, i read more, figure out a bit more and decide the do-over is better [01:51] things have improved much since i played much with anything other than a CMS about 10 years ago [01:53] hehe [01:53] and, again, that was all CPanel [01:53] i did not actually have to install everything [01:55] the docs are good though [01:55] i am just going through them with a highligher in oo right now [02:32] Hi, I was just looking over the server seeds proposals for Lucid. Two relatively minor questions regarding that: [02:33] 1) What's the rationale for dropping vlock? It's small, but has come in handy for me a few times. Is there a better replacement these days, or would it be dropped without a replacement in main? [02:33] gnight all [02:36] 2) Has there been any consideration given to possibly putting an IRCd in main, either for Lucid or later? [02:39] tonyyarusso: !anyone :P [02:44] tonyyarusso: You'll probably have more luck during when mathiaz`or ttx are around. [02:51] ScottK: all righty [02:51] * tonyyarusso idles [02:53] Say if i had a lab of 50 ubuntu computers, could i have an update server so i dont have to download 50 400mb updates (example size). Then i would only have to download 1 400mb set, then distribute it to the lab [02:53] marks256: yes. [02:54] twb, how would it work? [02:54] It'd be even easier to simply use LTSP, so that you maintain one image and all the lab machines are updated automatically by rebooting [02:54] yeah. LTSP would be nice. but i'm just asking for proof-of-concept [02:55] But if you just want a local cache of package updates, I highly recommend debmirror. If you're very tight on bandwidth, you could try apt-cacher[-ng] or apt-proxy, but both have caused me huge problems in the past. [02:55] twb, aah ok. repos dont mind keeping dumps of them though? [02:55] In particular, one of them (apt-cacher?) is vulnerable to injection attacks by any client, which -- although being caught by checksumming -- might be overridden by an ignorant user. [02:56] marks256: debmirror magically maintains a partial copy of the Ubuntu archive. [02:57] e.g. you can tell it "keep a copy of hardy and hardy-security for i386 and amd64, but don't mirror the "games" section or the "universe" category." [02:57] twb, neat! [02:58] IIRC a single-arch, single-release mirror is on the order of 10 to 30GB. The updates each week are negligible (for stable releases) or significant (for ubuntu+1, testing and sid) [02:59] The other thing you could do, which I haven't tried yet, is setting up apt-bittorrent. [02:59] oh my that's not bad [02:59] only 30gb? [03:00] 31GB for --arch i386 --nosource --dist hardy,hardy-updates,hardy-security,hardy-backports --section main,restricted,universe,multiverse [03:01] Unfortunately I don't keep a record of downloads per week [03:02] wow [03:02] i though it'd be more along the lines of a few hundred gb! [03:03] Where that kind of size comes in is if you want to track all the arches that Debian supports [03:04] Which according to type-handling, is: cpus [alpha amd64 arm armeb armel avr32 hppa i386 ia64 lpia m32r m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh3 sh3eb sh4 sh4eb sparc] × systems [darwin freebsd hurd kfreebsd knetbsd kopensolaris linux netbsd openbsd solaris uclibc uclinux] [03:09] marks256: I've been keeping local mirrors for a while. For fine-grained control, ie for just one release, one architecture, I've been very happy with apt-mirror. I recently decided to do a full mirror, and I'm pulling that down with the ubumirror utility. [03:09] (Which, btw, I put in my PPA if you'd rather apt-get than bzr branch) [03:09] twb, aah ok ok [03:10] tonyyarusso, ok cool. this sounds quite useful [03:10] marks256: It's about 250GB for all supported releases, btw. [03:10] i386 and amd64. [03:11] tonyyarusso, :o oh my [03:16] hi everybody [03:16] i have a problem with one of my ipsec tunnels [03:17] it doesnt come up when i do a racconctl fs isakmp followed by fs ipsec [03:17] the preshared key is not issued [03:17] when i check status, it shows all 0000000 in the preshared key position [03:17] please advise how i can rectify this [03:21] tonyyarusso: have you used both apt-mirror and debmirror? Would you care to compare them briefly for me? [03:21] twb: I haven't tried debmirror, no. [03:22] New bug: #461444 in eucalyptus "memory leaks in NC: getConsoleOutput and startup_thread" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/461444 [03:25] tonyyarusso, twb, thanks for the hlep guys [03:27] please advise about the ipsec tunnel [03:56] Why doesn't ntpd like to bind to my IPv6 address? http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=13480#a13480 [04:04] Also, how can I just tell my 8.04 system to not use IPv6 at all? [04:04] hey [04:04] are there generally any issues when it comes to blooth dongles? [04:04] or most chips are really supported [04:15] Answer: change /etc/modprobe.d/aliases:alias net-pf-10 ipv6 from "ipv6" to "off". [05:00] !ops [05:01] !staff [05:01] MBCR: What are you doing? [05:01] calling the ops duh [05:01] !ops [05:02] Apparently not. Why? [05:08] hello all [05:11] hi Ninjix [05:15] greetings Sorell [05:18] I'm looking to discuss Intel ICH10R "fakeraid" with anyone that has any production experience with them === Sorell is now known as Sorell_sleep_mod === Sorell_sleep_mod is now known as Sorrell_sleep_mo [05:20] !anyone [05:20] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [05:25] twb: Hi there [05:35] Ninjix: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto [05:36] Basically, it doesn't make sense to use fakeraid on a server, software RAID is more flexible and performs as well. [05:37] jmarsden: Yes, I have always believed that but so many servers come with fakeraid now [05:37] jmarsden: and the tech has been around a few years now [05:38] Preconfigured Ubuntu servers that use fakeraid? Interesting. Just because the motherboard chip can do it doesn't make it a good choice for a Linux/Ubuntu server. [05:40] True [05:41] What would you hope to gain from using fakeraid -- how would it benefit your users or your sysadmins or your profit margin, compared to using software RAID ? [05:41] I having good success with Adaptec 2258100-R cards but would rather not have to shell out extra $400 [05:42] I trying to move as much of our data center to commodity hardware as possible [05:43] I don't think you'lld get hardware RAID performance from fakeraid; I think youu'd fine software RAID performance about equal to fakeraid... so then the chocie is between software RAID or hardware RAID... right? [05:43] Disk IO is a tough obstacle, though [05:43] Interesting... a lot of people are moving the other way -- a few big servers and virtualization, rather than many cheap servers. [05:43] ah.. don't get me wrong. I'm moving down that path as well [05:45] At the same time? So... a few really big fast but cheap commodity servers? :) Where can I find some of those? :) [05:45] this year we are moving off VMware and onto Ubuntu KVM virtualization [05:48] after spending tons of money on Dell and HP "enterprise" class hardware for years now, I sat back and ask my team how much of those enterprise features we were really using [05:49] the answer turned out to be very little [05:50] this made us rethink where we spend our money, especially with the economic condition of the last year [05:51] Sure... but you've had hard drives fail and may even have hot-swapped them when that happened... that's a different level of "enterprise-class" than the "lights out management" and similar things, I'd think. [05:51] agreed [05:52] ha all [05:52] I can ping other machine from an instance in UEC, but can't access to the instance from other machine besides from cloud clontroller [05:53] and now we're returned to rolling our own white-box servers that have redundancy where we use it the most like hot swap bays [05:53] Ninjix: So maybe you really want to move towards commodity server hardware, but still hardware RAID cards and hot swap disk chassis... yup. Makes sense. [05:55] Maybe you can build two such boxes, one software RAID and one hardware RAID, and benchmark for your workload and then decide if the $400 is worth it for your situation? [05:56] so far I've had mix results in our tests [05:57] the fakeraid can hang with the hardware RAID on 0,1 and 10 [05:59] moving up to RAID 5 there's where the parity hurts [05:59] I guess that makes sense. Did you compare fakeraid with pure software (mdadm) RAID too? [06:00] same hardware with Windows drivers produces better results by some extra % points [06:01] But for the cost of Windows Server you can buy a hardware RAID card :) [06:01] I haven't tested the ICH10R against Linux RAID yet [06:01] Good point. Love FOSS cost savings. :) [06:03] freeflying: I wish I could help but I still waiting to get the chance to play with UEC [06:03] Ninjix: I'd think hard about doing RAID5 fakeraid in production... if things go bad and you end up needing to rescue a broken array, you're more likely to find people and tools for messing with the guts of an mdadm setup than with a (Linux) fakeraid-based array, I suspect. [06:05] So unless fakeraid has significant reliability or performance benefits (which I don't think it does), I'd use mdadm software RAID rather than fakeraid. But that's just me. [06:05] yes. That seems to be the general consensus. I know guys that won't use hardware raid for that reason. [06:06] No one want to get burned by proprietary drivers or even hardware [06:06] Yes... although real hardware raid on a controller from a decent vendor is slightly different; the vendor can often help you rescue things, and since the RAID is hardware they don't need to know Linux to do so... only their own hardware. [06:07] thankfully I have only come close to that with Dell PERC controllers [06:09] We've seen some Windows servers where older Adaptec SCSI RAID5 broke badly, and their techs can do what looks near-miracles to get things going again... I think twice in the last 4 years I have seen that. [06:10] yes, Adaptec hasn't ever let me down. Still have a old 2940 SCSI card around here somewhere. :) [06:10] That's pretty old now, I remember those :) [06:11] how about yourself? what kind of disk IO solution are you running your Ubuntu servers on? [06:15] Software RAID1; we're doing smaller lower cost servers mostly where the cost of a hardware RAID card doesn't seem to be justified. For a couple of clients that did need more serious IO we did SAS drives and an LSI MegaRAID card, I don't remember the exact model. [06:22] 15k SAS drives? [06:27] I was always a symbios fan myself. 875-based cards were the bomb [06:27] Yes, Seagate. I'm really more of a network/sysadmin, I only get involved with low level hardware details when I have no choice :) [06:33] nice chatting with you this evening [06:34] Likewise. Sometimes it is nice *not* to be helping out teenage newcomers with minimal Linux background :) [06:47] hey im 24 [06:47] thank you very much [06:47] :P [06:48] :) Hi billybigrigger [06:48] jmarsden, howdy === RussellAlan is now known as KronicKoH [07:34] ttx: Hey, I was wondering if you could comment on either of these things re: server seed proposals for Lucid: [07:35] 1) What's the rationale for dropping vlock? It's small, but has come in handy for me a few times. Is there a better replacement these days, or would it be dropped without a replacement in main? [07:35] 2) Has there been any consideration given to possibly putting an IRCd in main, either for Lucid or later? [07:36] 1) I don't know, feel free to ask the question in the discussion section of the spec [07:36] 2) I guess yes [08:13] how do you view parition details, aside from using fdisk -l [08:15] Maleko: YOu could use cfdisk if you prefer :) What is wrong with using fdisk -l ? [08:16] it does not give in-depth details such as partition filesystem, total size in gb, free space etc [08:17] How could it... it is just reading the partition table, which does not contain that information. [08:18] If you know what fs is on a given partition you can use fs-specific tools to look at that fs... [08:20] hmm. what about ext* ? [08:22] tune2fs -l would work on ext2/ext3 filesystems, lots of info there, for example... [09:27] <_ruben> looks kinda "ironic" to me: process `sysctl' is using deprecated sysctl (syscall) net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time; Use net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time_ms instead. [09:56] New bug: #491288 in samba (main) "File corruption after copying files via samba from Karmic to Karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491288 [10:02] New bug: #490843 in net-snmp (main) "Confusing debconf question on dist-upgrade" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490843 [10:02] New bug: #491084 in eucalyptus "Object get requests will non determinstically fail (with the rightaws library)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491084 === alex88[sleep] is now known as alex88 === mrchrisadams_ is now known as mrchrisadams [10:55] * soren grabs some lunch === mrchrisadams_ is now known as mrchrisadams [11:53] Good to see there's another Server survey. [11:56] when is the meeting? [12:00] hello [12:00] I installed ubuntu server on two machines [12:01] on one machine, /etc/fstab root is monted at /dev/mapper/mediaserv-root [12:01] ivoks: meeting is at 2PM UTC, 2h from now [12:01] on the other machine, root is defined by an UUID [12:01] why this difference? [12:01] right in the middle of working hours :/ [12:01] Aison: it's newer version of ubuntnu [12:03] but I installed both from the same ubuntu cd? [12:03] which one? [12:03] ubuntu ...? [12:04] 8.04? [12:04] 9.10? [12:04] 9.10 amd64 [12:04] so, on one you installed LVM, and on the other you didn't right? [12:05] hmm, I just noticed that also [12:05] ;) [12:05] hehe [12:10] is there a good howto for ubuntu 9.10 to build my own custom kernel? because I've got 12 DVB-s Cards in this machine, I need to change some constant in the kernel sources [12:10] by default, the kernel support just 8 DVB Cards at the same time === mrchrisadams_ is now known as mrchrisadams [12:12] the wiki here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile is not working somehow [12:22] there's git [12:23] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile#Build%20the%20kernel%20%28when%20source%20is%20from%20git%20repository,%20or%20from%20apt-get%20source%29 [12:23] this should work [12:34] thx [12:34] :))) === mrchrisadams_ is now known as mrchrisadams [12:37] morning === Sorrell_sleep_mo is now known as Sorrell [12:46] how can I grow a LVM partition, if it is mounted as /? [12:47] acalvo: The same way as you grow other logical volumes. It works. [12:47] but, shouldn't it be unmounted first? [12:48] no, you can resize online [12:48] first, use lvresize, and then resize2fs [12:48] even with ext4? [12:48] yes, even with ext4 [12:49] thanks alvin, I'll try it [13:08] is it worth to have vmware tools installed on a production server? [13:15] morning [13:29] morning zul [13:30] acalvo: if your server is running on ESX or a VMware product, yes, it makes a lot of sense [13:30] thanks nijaba [13:30] last question then: are the vmware packages available in any repository? [13:32] open-vm-tools. [13:32] I don't know if it works. Haven't used it in.... [13:32] err... [13:32] a very long time. [13:32] * soren desperately needs coffee [13:41] soren: quick question: where you from? [13:44] acalvo: Denmark [13:44] ok :) [13:46] aka vikingland [13:47] The very same. [13:57] * zul smacks net-snmp around some [14:00] jdstrand: http://libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt.git;a=commitdiff;h=32f021f2664290cffe34723c52435ac4a62fb365 fixes the eventtest thing. [14:00] jdstrand: If you'd rather leave that to me, that's perfectly cool as well. [14:01] soren: ok, thanks [14:01] ..but there it is. [14:02] soren: I ran into some other issues (hal), but am working through them. I'll apply that commit too [14:25] I'm trying to setup a full kickstart for a ubuntu server using the kickstart compatibility config format. What would be the way to skip the creation of the initial user? === robbiew-afk is now known as robbiew [14:36] hi all. I'm having an issue on a ubuntu server with grub2 installation in that when server boots it gives me the error "You need to load the kernel first" and I tried grub-install and update-grub and I don't know what else to check to see what's wrong and to fix it. can you help me please? [14:43] New bug: #485760 in php5 "Need to upgrade integrated zip module" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485760 [14:46] u hm... http://www.grist.org/article/2009-11-18-oil-enough-energy-to-melt-glaciers [14:52] ttx: byobu isn't brought into main only by Recommends - http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.lucid/rdepends/byobu/byobu [14:52] ttx: it's a dependency from a bunch of packages [14:53] mathiaz: ok, good. [14:54] ttx: what I'm grepping for is packages that only have Reverse Recommends and that they're brought in by one of the server seed (ultimately) [14:54] ttx: the goal was to have a (rather) short list to review by hand [14:54] ttx: and make proposal from it [15:00] Are ssl features installed and enabled with a standard Ubuntu LAMP installation? [15:11] xfrogman5: yes they are installed but not enabled [15:12] Can you point me to a detailed howto for enabling ssl within apache2 [15:12] xfrogman5: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/httpd.html [15:13] thx [15:13] xfrogman5: see ubuntu.com/server/doc for a summary of resources available about ubuntu server edition [15:22] can some pastie there source.list for 7.10, I'm getting nothing but 404's [15:23] or did support end and I not know it [15:25] heath: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com [15:29] heath|work: Support ended more than 6 months ago. You should upgrade ASAP. [15:29] we are moving servers, I just needed to install git for a test thanks soren [15:31] * MenZa makes mental note to upgrade his 8.10 box the moment 10.04 is out [15:31] MenZa: 8.10->10.04 is not a supported upgrade path, fwiw. [15:31] aye, I know [15:31] It may Just Work, but we put no effort into testing anything at all. [15:32] I'm scared to do it [15:32] I might just do a full backup and install 10.04 [15:32] Bah. It's only bits and bytes. [15:32] :) [15:32] I regret not installing Hardy back when I set my box up [15:32] * soren is still running hardy on most of his production systems. [15:32] I ought to on my server [15:32] I never considered using it for anything else than irssi, but I'm now running multiple websites and stuff on it [15:34] I suppose my primary work laptop is sort of a production system (at least in the sense that I'd be severely impaired if it broke), but it's running Lucid. [15:36] soren: So, you mean Jaunty with a new toolchain? and /etc/apt/sources.list? [15:36] er [15:36] s/Jaunty/Karmic [15:36] I can't keep up with releases anymore [15:36] * MenZa has lived to see Breezy, Dapper, Edgy, Feisty, Gutsy, Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty, Karmic and Lucid [15:36] Christ, that is a lot of releases. [15:36] * MenZa feels old. [15:40] MenZa: No, Lucid is waaay past just being an updated toolchain. [15:40] soren: I suppose - Alpha 1 is out soon [15:41] mathiaz, or anyone, have you done command line compltion before (ie, added bash completion hooks for a package) ? [15:48] * soren goes to pick up his daughter at day care [15:48] how to exchange the self signed certificate for UEC with a CA signed? [15:50] have setup up rsa/dsa so i don't need password for ssh but i get this error pop up in auth.log Error attempting to add filename encryption key to user session keyring; rc = [1] [15:56] If my server is running on xen and I don't want xen to control the kernel; what kernel can I use that already has xen support built in? [15:56] I tried -generic and -virt but neither seem to have xen support [16:04] MTecknology, it depends on what version of xen you have. ... newer xen can boot either of the above kernels (i think) in pv_ops [16:05] additionally there is the xen hvm, which i htink you mean by your statement of "don't want xen to control the kernel" [16:11] smoser: I'm running on a Linode if that helps [16:12] doesnt help me, sorry. === mrchrisadams_ is now known as mrchrisadams === david is now known as Guest67831 [16:18] smoser: I'm getting this error ERROR Invalid kernel: elf_xen_note_check: ERROR: Will only load images built for the generic loader [16:18] or Linux images [16:18] xc_dom_parse_image returned -1 [16:19] MTecknology, i'm sorry, i can't be much more help. sorry to get your hopes up. maybe someone else here can help. [16:21] ok, thanks [16:33] * ttx hates C [16:37] ttx, why do you hate C? [16:38] Rascal999: struggling with some memory management, I forgot how painful it can be. [16:38] ttx, oh, not been there yet [16:39] based on what I've learnt and done in C so far, I'm liking it [16:39] but I haven't really touched on memory management, multi-threading or the rest [16:41] ttx: where is your eucalyptus SRU branch? [16:41] ttx: last i recall, it was a private branch owned by you [16:41] ttx: could you push it somewhere ubuntu-core-dev owned? [16:42] kirkland: done already [16:42] ttx: sweet, link me :-) [16:42] kirkland: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/eucalyptus/ubuntu-karmic/changes [16:42] committed as rev725..726 [16:42] ttx: thanks; i'll hack the new CLEAN=1 operations today [16:43] ttx: fixing the non-determinism seems, um, a bit harder [16:43] kirkland: I didn't observe any non-determinism in my testing [16:44] kirkland: doesn't mean there isn't any, by definition [16:44] ttx: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/490382/comments/3 [16:44] Launchpad bug 490382 in eucalyptus "eucalyptus-cc init script doesn't always clear /var/lib/eucalyptus/CC" [Medium,Triaged] [16:44] i.e. stop eucalyptus-cc CLEAN=1 always PASSed [16:44] ttx: you wrote "Looks quite non-deterministic from here." [16:44] arrh [16:45] ttx: typo? [16:45] yep [16:45] commenting [16:45] ttx: ah, would you add another comment to that effect? [16:45] i progress [16:45] ttx: i was happy you had seen something similar to me :-) [16:46] kirkland: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/490382/comments/5 [16:46] Launchpad bug 490382 in eucalyptus "eucalyptus-cc init script doesn't always clear /var/lib/eucalyptus/CC" [Medium,Triaged] [16:46] sorry about that [16:46] ttx: no problem [16:46] ttx: so i'll add the new CLEAN=1 support, test that a bit, and push to proposed? [16:46] yes, sounds good [16:47] If you still observe some non-determinism, let me know which commands you tested [16:49] I couldn't make it fail with "stop eucalyptus-cc CLEAN=1" [16:49] but that's rather counter-intuitive [16:53] * soren goes to dinner... bbl [16:57] ttx: question about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/490382/comments/3 [16:57] Launchpad bug 490382 in eucalyptus "eucalyptus-cc init script doesn't always clear /var/lib/eucalyptus/CC" [Medium,Triaged] [16:57] ttx: your comment about the env not being passed from eucalyptus to eucalyptus-cc upstart script ... [16:57] ttx: is that supposition, or confirmed operation? [16:58] ttx: ie, do i need to chase keybuk down and ask him about that ? [16:58] kirkland: supposition. [16:59] ttx: okay, i'll confirm with scott [16:59] kirkland: I see no reason why it would be propagated to upstart tasks that get triggered by another event [17:00] kirkland: but sometimes I'm surprised by upstart :) [17:03] Looking for detailed howto for converting an IIS6 ssl cert to be used on a Ubuntu Apache2 Openssl system. === mrchrisadams_ is now known as mrchrisadams [17:51] New bug: #491481 in tomcat6 (main) "package tomcat6 6.0.20-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso script post-installation instalado devolvi? el c?digo de salida de error 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491481 === mrchrisadams_ is now known as mrchrisadams === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:24] is there some ldap howto (samba, pam, radius, etc...) for 9.10? [18:24] I tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer [18:24] but eg. on 9.10 /etc/ldap/ldaps.conf is a directory [18:25] err slapd.conf [18:42] Aison: look for the server guide [18:43] this? https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/index.html [18:43] :D [18:44] I was looking for it, let me see [18:45] ah, help.ubuntu.com [18:45] Aison: yes, that's the one [18:45]