| ara | good morning all | 07:03 |
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| fagan | morning | 07:40 |
| davmor2 | Morning All | 08:34 |
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| * ara -> lunch | 12:35 | |
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| moustafa | fader_, cr3, davmor2 : Pamplemousse! | 14:22 |
| fader_ | moustafa: soup du jour! | 14:23 |
| fader_ | moustafa: Your installer bug turned out to be a real legit bug... good work :) | 14:23 |
| moustafa | fader_ Awesome! | 14:23 |
| ara | fader_, moustafa: which bug? | 15:01 |
| fader_ | ara: bug 491027 | 15:01 |
| moustafa | 49102 | 15:01 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 491027 in python-apt "Lucid installer hangs at the 85%-95% mark" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491027 | 15:01 |
| fader_ | ara: moustafa broke the installer :P | 15:02 |
| ara | moustafa, :D | 15:02 |
| moustafa | fader_, ara: I didn't break it! I just found a way not to make it work :P | 15:02 |
| fagan | moustafa: does it only break in virtualbox? Have you tried it in kvm? | 15:16 |
| moustafa | fagan: I haven't tried kvm, actually. | 15:17 |
| fader_ | fagan: It was breaking on real hardware as well | 15:18 |
| moustafa | fagan: In fact, it broke earlier on the real hardware than in the virtual environment | 15:19 |
| fagan | Thats bad | 15:19 |
| davmor2 | morning fader_ moustafa cr3 et al | 15:19 |
| fader_ | davmor2: Hey dude | 15:20 |
| fagan | "et al"? hmmm ;) | 15:20 |
| davmor2 | fagan: just covering myself | 15:21 |
| moustafa | Morning davmor2 | 15:21 |
| fagan | moustafa: if you need help testing im (nearly) always around | 15:22 |
| moustafa | fagan: Duly noted. :) | 15:23 |
| * fagan announced myself to the list and to ara and marjo at the UDS | 15:24 | |
| marjo | fagan: thx for offering your help! | 15:25 |
| fagan | I really dont mind being a test dummy | 15:26 |
| * fagan feels like this http://short.ie/hr58cx is the testing team :D | 15:27 | |
| davmor2 | fader_: alternate is no good either didn't build today :( | 15:27 |
| fader_ | davmor2: Yeah, it hasn't built for a while :/ | 15:28 |
| davmor2 | fader_: yeah but only back on track today dude | 15:28 |
| fader_ | Huh? | 15:29 |
| fader_ | Je ne comprends pas. | 15:29 |
| davmor2 | fader_: I'm only back on form today, so back to peeing off the release team with my whining | 15:30 |
| fader_ | Ahh, gotcha :) | 15:30 |
| fagan | fader_: parlez en l'englais si vous plait :p | 15:30 |
| fader_ | fagan: Baguette! | 15:31 |
| fagan | fader_: thats a roll in English | 15:31 |
| fader_ | fagan: :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5hrUGFhsXo for context | 15:32 |
| fader_ | (such as it is) | 15:32 |
| fader_ | I find it quite helpful in communicating with the Canadian contingent | 15:33 |
| * fagan notes | 15:33 | |
| davmor2 | fader_: you watch some crap | 15:34 |
| fader_ | "Dear kettle, you are black. Love, pot." | 15:35 |
| fader_ | :) | 15:35 |
| davmor2 | yeah but at least mine has an excuse in that it's way older than you ;) | 15:35 |
| * fagan is more than likely the youngest here | 15:36 | |
| * davmor2 I just feel like the oldest but have a sneaky suspicion that there may be others older than me | 15:39 | |
| * davmor2 is trying to get into the christmas mood by listening to things like fairytale in newyork | 15:43 | |
| * fagan because he is irish has heard that song wayyyy too much | 15:44 | |
| davmor2 | fagan: I'm English so ditto | 15:46 |
| davmor2 | now moved onto I believe in Father Christmas | 15:47 |
| * fader_ feels fortunate to have no idea what that song is. | 15:47 | |
| davmor2 | fader_: Liar | 15:47 |
| fagan | fader_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrAwK9juhhY | 15:47 |
| fader_ | Hey, I'm in the US, don't listen to the radio, and don't watch TV. :P | 15:48 |
| davmor2 | fader_: no I know you lie that's all you do ;) | 15:48 |
| fader_ | Wow, that dude needs some vocal lessons and dental work, stat | 15:49 |
| fagan | oh yeah he is cheap he is a millionare because of that song and he wont fix his teeth | 15:50 |
| davmor2 | fader_: that's as good as it gets dude | 15:50 |
| fader_ | Sheesh | 15:50 |
| fagan | fader_: my dad assures me that he is a great song writer though | 15:51 |
| fagan | hello ogasawara | 15:52 |
| fader_ | fagan: I've heard the same of Bruce Springsteen and Bob Dylan, but I think the drugs that make you think these things are true aren't made anymore :( | 15:52 |
| davmor2 | fader_: if you want to have a laugh look up the christmas number one in the uk for 1979 | 15:54 |
| fagan | davmor2: hah | 15:55 |
| fader_ | Sorry, davmor2... couldn't make that out. Your font is too small. | 15:55 |
| * fagan didnt know you could set your font on IRC | 15:55 | |
| davmor2 | fader_: same font as I used before | 15:55 |
| fader_ | davmor2: Strange, I can read that one. It's just when you try to get me to look for things that would be painful to me that I can't make it out. Funny, that. | 15:56 |
| fagan | davmor2: another brick in the wall pink floyd? | 15:56 |
| davmor2 | fagan: indeed | 15:57 |
| davmor2 | fader_: http://www.everyhit.com/christmasnumber1.html | 15:57 |
| fagan | id much prefer the 1985 on | 15:57 |
| fagan | *one | 15:57 |
| fader_ | Okay, now that I approve of | 15:57 |
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| fagan | the last 4 years it has been a reality show contestant | 15:58 |
| davmor2 | fagan: you need lockin' in a small cupboard till your tastes change | 15:58 |
| fagan | davmor2: 1993 :D | 15:58 |
| * fagan was 5 | 15:59 | |
| davmor2 | and the key throwing away | 15:59 |
| davmor2 | fader_: do you like 1975 and 1991 | 16:00 |
| fader_ | Heh, sure :) | 16:00 |
| fader_ | Okay, so I'm clear this time: is the QA meeting in 1 hour? | 16:04 |
| fader_ | My calendar and the fridge calendar still disagree :( | 16:04 |
| davmor2 | fader_: no 56 minutes | 16:04 |
| fader_ | Heh | 16:04 |
| * fagan will go to the meeting but may be slightly late | 16:05 | |
| fagan | Ive been meaning to go to the meetings but I keep forgetting :( | 16:06 |
| davmor2 | Oh I'd forgotten about 86 and 87's number 1 | 16:07 |
| davmor2 | fader_: what do you use for calendaring for the meeting times? | 16:24 |
| fader_ | davmor2: Google calendar, which totally loses its marbles whenever DST happens | 16:24 |
| davmor2 | fader_: that explains it then I'm using evo's calendar and it's right | 16:25 |
| nags | hi ara | 16:25 |
| ara | hey nags | 16:25 |
| nags | ara: when the meeting starts ? | 16:25 |
| ara | nags, in 5 minutes | 16:26 |
| nags | ara: ok | 16:26 |
| fagan | ara: is it not starting at 6 UTC? | 16:26 |
| fagan | 6 I mean | 16:26 |
| fagan | 5 | 16:27 |
| fagan | lol | 16:27 |
| ara | fagan, nags is talking about the testing automation meeting | 16:27 |
| fagan | oh | 16:27 |
| ara | fagan, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Meetings | 16:27 |
| * fagan will listen in to that too | 16:27 | |
| czajkowski | fagan: when do you do college work ? | 16:28 |
| fagan | czajkowski: im doing a project atm | 16:28 |
| fagan | loads of time to do college work I only have 4 classes | 16:28 |
| fagan | half the hours of last year | 16:28 |
| czajkowski | ara: great article on you in the FCM | 16:29 |
| ara | czajkowski, thanks :) | 16:29 |
| czajkowski | http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Interviews nterview with QA Team Member Ara Pulido : Full Circle Magazine, Issue 31, pages 28-29 for those in here who've not seen it | 16:29 |
| ara | jcollado, nags, jtatum, cgregan, cr3, automation meeting? | 16:30 |
| nags | ara: ya, me ready | 16:31 |
| * cgregan waves | 16:32 | |
| ara | ok, let's give the others 3 more minutes to arrive | 16:32 |
| ara | OK, let's start now | 16:35 |
| ara | Agenda: | 16:35 |
| ara | * Proposing jtatum as member of the launchpad team mago-contributors (ara) | 16:35 |
| ara | * Release of mago 0.2 for Lucid | 16:35 |
| ara | * Release of mago 1.0 supporting LDTPv2 | 16:35 |
| ara | [TOPIC] * Proposing jtatum as member of the launchpad team mago-contributors | 16:36 |
| ara | OK, it is a pity that jtatum does not seem around | 16:36 |
| ara | The thing is that he has been doing great contributions to mago, but he is not part of the mago-contributors team | 16:36 |
| ara | so he cannot merge into trunk, or review some other people code | 16:37 |
| ara | I think that the quality of his work is very good and he should be part of the mago core dev team | 16:37 |
| nags | ara: that was surprising to me :) he has done some good chunk of code | 16:37 |
| ara | what do you guys think? | 16:38 |
| * fagan always believes the more the merrier | 16:38 | |
| nags | ara: I agree jtatum should be part of mago-contributors team | 16:38 |
| ara | fagan, I like that :) | 16:39 |
| fagan | ara: isnt mago under the canonical contributor agreement? | 16:39 |
| ara | fagan, it is, but jtatum already signed it | 16:39 |
| fagan | good then | 16:39 |
| ara | jcollado: any thoughts? | 16:39 |
| jcollado1 | ara: I don't see any reason to be against that. | 16:40 |
| ara | OK, then. I will add him after the meeting | 16:40 |
| ara | congrats jtatum! | 16:41 |
| ara | [TOPIC] * Release of mago 0.2 for Lucid | 16:41 |
| ara | * Release of mago 1.0 supporting LDTPv2 | 16:41 |
| ara | This topic is about how are we going to handle mago+ldtp during the Lucid cycle | 16:41 |
| nags | ara: cool | 16:41 |
| ara | Feature freeze is due to Feb 18th | 16:42 |
| ara | so, new features and new packages need to be in before that date | 16:42 |
| nags | ara: okay | 16:43 |
| fagan | ara: if you upload it to lucid asap ill help test it | 16:43 |
| nags | ara: I have still some pending fixes to be done in this list http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ldtp-dev/2009-October/000912.html | 16:43 |
| ara | so, what do you guys think? should we keep LDTPv1 for Lucid? | 16:43 |
| jcollado1 | nags: Is LDTPv2 stable enough? | 16:43 |
| nags | ara: Have extensively tested LDTPv2 in Ubuntu 9.04, with 1500 testcases in VMware | 16:43 |
| nags | jcollado1: yes, we run weekly regression | 16:44 |
| jcollado1 | nags: Great. | 16:44 |
| nags | jcollado1: on Ubuntu 9.04 using LDTPv2 | 16:44 |
| jcollado1 | Then, I think mago should use LDTPv2 in next release | 16:44 |
| ara | maybe we can keep both LDTP1 and LDTP2 in Lucid, having Mago choose between the two with a user parameter | 16:44 |
| jcollado1 | ara: Since there are slight changes in the interface, I'm not sure that's a good solution | 16:45 |
| fagan | but be aware in any case that we will have to support it for a longer time | 16:45 |
| ara | fagan, good point | 16:45 |
| nags | ara, jcollado1: I would like to know, if any important API that are currently missing, should be fixed immediately, I will start working on them | 16:46 |
| ara | jcollado1, my only concern is that, if ldtpv2 lands late in the cycle, we are not going to be able to fix mago to start working again | 16:46 |
| nags | ara: I would like to check with you, how the new logFailures should work, the API name will be changed to logfailures :) | 16:47 |
| jcollado1 | ara: My understanding is that LDTPv2 is ready to be integrated now. What do you mean by "lands late in the cycle"? | 16:48 |
| ara | nags, sure, any time. Feel free to schedule a call, or by email on the list | 16:48 |
| ara | jcollado1, LDTPv2 is not released yet | 16:48 |
| ara | jcollado1, once it is released, we need to package it, then get some motu to sponsor it and upload it | 16:48 |
| nags | ara: sure, will take that offline then :) | 16:49 |
| jcollado1 | nags: When LDTPv2 will be released? | 16:49 |
| jcollado1 | ara: I'm not familiar with that process. How long does it take? | 16:49 |
| nags | jcollado1: If we have all the API required for Mago are implemented, I think, we are ready to go :) | 16:49 |
| ara | jcollado1, well, I have friends ;-) so, it won't take too long, hopefully. But we need to package it, that can take a bit longer, depending on our workloads | 16:50 |
| jcollado1 | ara: I don't think packaging is an issue since LDTPv2 code is 100% python. | 16:51 |
| jcollado1 | nags: Correct me if I'm wrong | 16:51 |
| nags | jcollado1: yes, you are correct :) | 16:51 |
| ara | nags, jcollado1: so it is the release what's missing :-) | 16:52 |
| ara | nags, jcollado1: I would prefer this workflow | 16:53 |
| nags | ara: I would like to confirm, we are not missing any Mago API's ? | 16:53 |
| ara | nags, jcollado1: we release ldtp2 in lucid as ldtp2 package, keeping ldtp1 for a while (during the development process) | 16:53 |
| ara | nags, I am not sure, that's the problem | 16:53 |
| nags | ara: the first thing, I could think of is, logFailures incase of any failures | 16:53 |
| nags | ara: and the logging API | 16:53 |
| nags | ara: which are not implemented | 16:54 |
| ara | nags, jcollado1: then, start migrating mago. Once we know for sure that ldtp2 is stable, then we change the packaging of ldtp2 to Replace ldtp | 16:54 |
| fagan | so take the safe route for lucid with ldtp1 and change it in lucid+1? | 16:55 |
| ara | fagan, no, I meant land ldtp2 early in the cycle, so we can test, and later, before FF, deprecate ldtp1 | 16:55 |
| fagan | ara: oh cool | 16:56 |
| nags | ara: I agree | 16:56 |
| jcollado1 | There's already a python-ldtp package and a mago-ldtp2 branch under mago-contributors, I think the biggest issue is to schedule time to work on them | 16:56 |
| ara | jcollado1, python-ldtp is ldtp1, but the python bits | 16:56 |
| jcollado1 | ara: No, the python-ldtp in the mago PPA is LDTPv2 | 16:57 |
| jcollado1 | ara: Really, I packaged it | 16:57 |
| jcollado1 | ara: I've to update it, though | 16:57 |
| ara | jcollado1, ok, I though you meant in Ubuntu archive | 16:57 |
| ara | jcollado1, but do you agree with not deprecating ldtp1 in the beginning | 16:58 |
| ara | jcollado1, my concern is that LDTP2 is not that well tested, and we are not the only Ubuntu users using LDTP ;-) | 16:58 |
| jcollado1 | ara: I see the point. Then that depends on nags, but it seems he's confident it should be released early. | 16:59 |
| nags | ara: Intel Moblin team also started testing things with LDTPv2 :) | 16:59 |
| nags | ara: jcollado1: My concern is logging API is missing, I would like to discuss on that, before implementing this :) Currently I don't have the list of points to discuss on that | 17:00 |
| nags | ara: I will prepare the list and get back to you guys | 17:00 |
| ara | jcollado1, can you then update LDTPv2 PPA? | 17:01 |
| ara | jcollado1, so we can start working on mago | 17:02 |
| jcollado1 | ara: Sure. I'll do that. | 17:02 |
| ara | jcollado1, thanks | 17:02 |
| nags | jcollado1: thanks :) | 17:02 |
| ara | jcollado1, I will send an email to the LDTP list asking ubuntu users opinion about deprecating ldtp1 or not | 17:02 |
| jcollado1 | ara: Ok. | 17:03 |
| ara | jcollado1, but, what is your main concern of cohabiting both ldtp1 and ldtp2 in Lucid during the development of Lucid? | 17:03 |
| jcollado1 | ara: My only concern is just the extra maintenance that would require | 17:04 |
| jcollado1 | ara: I think we'll finally move to v2 so my opinion is that the sooner the better | 17:04 |
| jcollado1 | ara: (provided that LDTP users agree) | 17:05 |
| ara | jcollado1, OK, if everything goes wrong, we can revert to LDTP1, anyway | 17:05 |
| jcollado1 | ara: Fine. Let's work on v2 then. | 17:07 |
| nags | ara: jcollado1: cool, thanks :) | 17:07 |
| ara | OK. Thanks everybody | 17:09 |
| davmor2 | sbeattie: I'll utilise the mailing list for the upgrade chit chat :) | 18:02 |
| sbeattie | davmor2: appreciated! :-) | 18:02 |
| davmor2 | anyway lugmeeting tonight so I'm off now | 18:02 |
| davmor2 | bye all | 18:02 |
| sbeattie | davmor2: cool, thanks, have fun. | 18:02 |
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| moustafa | cr3, fader_ : Good evening, see you tomorrow! | 22:08 |
| fader_ | moustafa: Hasta lasagna! | 22:08 |
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