[07:03] <ara> good morning all
[07:40] <fagan> morning
[08:34] <davmor2> Morning All
[12:35]  * ara -> lunch
[14:22] <moustafa> fader_, cr3, davmor2 : Pamplemousse!
[14:23] <fader_> moustafa: soup du jour!
[14:23] <fader_> moustafa: Your installer bug turned out to be a real legit bug... good work :)
[14:23] <moustafa> fader_ Awesome!
[15:01] <ara> fader_, moustafa: which bug?
[15:01] <fader_> ara: bug 491027
[15:01] <moustafa> 49102
[15:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491027 in python-apt "Lucid installer hangs at the 85%-95% mark" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491027
[15:02] <fader_> ara: moustafa broke the installer :P
[15:02] <ara> moustafa, :D
[15:02] <moustafa> fader_, ara: I didn't break it!  I just found a way not to make it work :P
[15:16] <fagan> moustafa: does it only break in virtualbox? Have you tried it in kvm?
[15:17] <moustafa> fagan: I haven't tried kvm, actually.
[15:18] <fader_> fagan: It was breaking on real hardware as well
[15:19] <moustafa> fagan: In fact, it broke earlier on the real hardware than in the virtual environment
[15:19] <fagan> Thats bad
[15:19] <davmor2> morning fader_ moustafa cr3 et al
[15:20] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude
[15:20] <fagan> "et al"? hmmm ;)
[15:21] <davmor2> fagan: just covering myself
[15:21] <moustafa> Morning davmor2
[15:22] <fagan> moustafa: if you need help testing im (nearly) always around
[15:23] <moustafa> fagan: Duly noted.  :)
[15:24]  * fagan announced myself to the list and to ara and marjo at the UDS
[15:25] <marjo> fagan: thx for offering your help!
[15:26] <fagan> I really dont mind being a test dummy
[15:27]  * fagan feels like this http://short.ie/hr58cx is the testing team :D
[15:27] <davmor2> fader_: alternate is no good either didn't build today :(
[15:28] <fader_> davmor2: Yeah, it hasn't built for a while :/
[15:28] <davmor2> fader_: yeah but only back on track today dude
[15:29] <fader_> Huh?
[15:29] <fader_> Je ne comprends pas.
[15:30] <davmor2> fader_: I'm only back on form today, so back to peeing off the release team with my whining
[15:30] <fader_> Ahh, gotcha :)
[15:30] <fagan> fader_: parlez en l'englais si vous plait :p
[15:31] <fader_> fagan: Baguette!
[15:31] <fagan> fader_: thats a roll in English
[15:32] <fader_> fagan: :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5hrUGFhsXo for context
[15:32] <fader_> (such as it is)
[15:33] <fader_> I find it quite helpful in communicating with the Canadian contingent
[15:33]  * fagan notes
[15:34] <davmor2> fader_: you watch some crap
[15:35] <fader_> "Dear kettle, you are black.  Love, pot."
[15:35] <fader_> :)
[15:35] <davmor2> yeah but at least mine has an excuse in that it's way older than you ;)
[15:36]  * fagan is more than likely the youngest here
[15:39]  * davmor2 I just feel like the oldest but have a sneaky suspicion that there may be others older than me
[15:43]  * davmor2 is trying to get into the christmas mood by listening to things like fairytale in newyork
[15:44]  * fagan because he is irish has heard that song wayyyy too much 
[15:46] <davmor2> fagan: I'm English so ditto
[15:47] <davmor2> now moved onto I believe in Father Christmas
[15:47]  * fader_ feels fortunate to have no idea what that song is.
[15:47] <davmor2> fader_: Liar
[15:47] <fagan> fader_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrAwK9juhhY
[15:48] <fader_> Hey, I'm in the US, don't listen to the radio, and don't watch TV. :P
[15:48] <davmor2> fader_: no I know you lie that's all you do ;)
[15:49] <fader_> Wow, that dude needs some vocal lessons and dental work, stat
[15:50] <fagan> oh yeah he is cheap he is a millionare because of that song and he wont fix his teeth
[15:50] <davmor2> fader_: that's as good as it gets dude
[15:50] <fader_> Sheesh
[15:51] <fagan> fader_: my dad assures me that he is a great song writer though
[15:52] <fagan> hello ogasawara
[15:52] <fader_> fagan: I've heard the same of Bruce Springsteen and Bob Dylan, but I think the drugs that make you think these things are true aren't made anymore :(
[15:54] <davmor2> fader_: if you want to have a laugh look up the christmas number one in the uk for 1979
[15:55] <fagan> davmor2: hah
[15:55] <fader_> Sorry, davmor2... couldn't make that out.  Your font is too small.
[15:55]  * fagan didnt know you could set your font on IRC
[15:55] <davmor2> fader_: same font as I used before
[15:56] <fader_> davmor2: Strange, I can read that one.  It's just when you try to get me to look for things that would be painful to me that I can't make it out.  Funny, that.
[15:56] <fagan> davmor2: another brick in the wall pink floyd?
[15:57] <davmor2> fagan: indeed
[15:57] <davmor2> fader_: http://www.everyhit.com/christmasnumber1.html
[15:57] <fagan> id much prefer the 1985 on
[15:57] <fagan> *one
[15:57] <fader_> Okay, now that I approve of
[15:58] <fagan> the last 4 years it has been a reality show contestant
[15:58] <davmor2> fagan: you need lockin' in a small cupboard till your tastes change
[15:58] <fagan> davmor2: 1993 :D
[15:59]  * fagan was 5 
[15:59] <davmor2> and the key throwing away
[16:00] <davmor2> fader_: do you like 1975 and 1991
[16:00] <fader_> Heh, sure :)
[16:04] <fader_> Okay, so I'm clear this time: is the QA meeting in 1 hour?
[16:04] <fader_> My calendar and the fridge calendar still disagree :(
[16:04] <davmor2> fader_: no 56 minutes
[16:04] <fader_> Heh
[16:05]  * fagan will go to the meeting but may be slightly late
[16:06] <fagan> Ive been meaning to go to the meetings but I keep forgetting :(
[16:07] <davmor2> Oh I'd forgotten about 86 and 87's number 1
[16:24] <davmor2> fader_: what do you use for calendaring for the meeting times?
[16:24] <fader_> davmor2: Google calendar, which totally loses its marbles whenever DST happens
[16:25] <davmor2> fader_: that explains it then I'm using evo's calendar and it's right
[16:25] <nags> hi ara
[16:25] <ara> hey nags
[16:25] <nags> ara: when the meeting starts ?
[16:26] <ara> nags, in 5 minutes
[16:26] <nags> ara: ok
[16:26] <fagan> ara: is it not starting at 6 UTC?
[16:26] <fagan> 6 I mean
[16:27] <fagan> 5
[16:27] <fagan> lol
[16:27] <ara> fagan, nags is talking about the testing automation meeting
[16:27] <fagan> oh
[16:27] <ara> fagan, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Meetings
[16:27]  * fagan will listen in to that too
[16:28] <czajkowski> fagan: when do you do college work ?
[16:28] <fagan> czajkowski: im doing a project atm
[16:28] <fagan> loads of time to do college work I only have 4 classes
[16:28] <fagan> half the hours of last year
[16:29] <czajkowski> ara: great article on you in the FCM
[16:29] <ara> czajkowski, thanks :)
[16:29] <czajkowski> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Interviews  nterview with QA Team Member  Ara Pulido : Full Circle Magazine, Issue 31, pages 28-29  for those in here who've not seen it
[16:30] <ara> jcollado, nags, jtatum, cgregan, cr3, automation meeting?
[16:31] <nags> ara: ya, me ready
[16:32]  * cgregan waves
[16:32] <ara> ok, let's give the others 3 more minutes to arrive
[16:35] <ara> OK, let's start now
[16:35] <ara> Agenda:
[16:35] <ara>     * Proposing jtatum as member of the launchpad team mago-contributors (ara)
[16:35] <ara>     * Release of mago 0.2 for Lucid
[16:35] <ara>     * Release of mago 1.0 supporting LDTPv2
[16:36] <ara> [TOPIC] * Proposing jtatum as member of the launchpad team mago-contributors
[16:36] <ara> OK, it is a pity that jtatum does not seem around
[16:36] <ara> The thing is that he has been doing great contributions to mago, but he is not part of the mago-contributors team
[16:37] <ara> so he cannot merge into trunk, or review some other people code
[16:37] <ara> I think that the quality of his work is very good and he should be part of the mago core dev team
[16:37] <nags> ara: that was surprising to me :) he has done some good chunk of code
[16:38] <ara> what do you guys think?
[16:38]  * fagan always believes the more the merrier
[16:38] <nags> ara: I agree jtatum should be part of mago-contributors team
[16:39] <ara> fagan, I like that :)
[16:39] <fagan> ara: isnt mago under the canonical contributor agreement?
[16:39] <ara> fagan, it is, but jtatum already signed it
[16:39] <fagan> good then
[16:39] <ara> jcollado: any thoughts?
[16:40] <jcollado1> ara: I don't see any reason to be against that.
[16:40] <ara> OK, then. I will add him after the meeting
[16:41] <ara> congrats jtatum!
[16:41] <ara> [TOPIC]  * Release of mago 0.2 for Lucid
[16:41] <ara>      * Release of mago 1.0 supporting LDTPv2
[16:41] <ara> This topic is about how are we going to handle mago+ldtp during the Lucid cycle
[16:41] <nags> ara: cool
[16:42] <ara> Feature freeze is due to Feb 18th
[16:42] <ara> so, new features and new packages need to be in before that date
[16:43] <nags> ara: okay
[16:43] <fagan> ara: if you upload it to lucid asap ill help test it
[16:43] <nags> ara: I have still some pending fixes to be done in this list http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ldtp-dev/2009-October/000912.html
[16:43] <ara> so, what do you guys think? should we keep LDTPv1 for Lucid?
[16:43] <jcollado1> nags: Is LDTPv2 stable enough?
[16:43] <nags> ara: Have extensively tested LDTPv2 in Ubuntu 9.04, with 1500 testcases in VMware
[16:44] <nags> jcollado1: yes, we run weekly regression
[16:44] <jcollado1> nags: Great.
[16:44] <nags> jcollado1: on Ubuntu 9.04 using LDTPv2
[16:44] <jcollado1> Then, I think mago should use LDTPv2 in next release
[16:44] <ara> maybe we can keep both LDTP1 and LDTP2 in Lucid, having Mago choose between the two with a user parameter
[16:45] <jcollado1> ara: Since there are slight changes in the interface, I'm not sure that's a good solution
[16:45] <fagan> but be aware in any case that we will have to support it for a longer time
[16:45] <ara> fagan, good point
[16:46] <nags> ara, jcollado1: I would like to know, if any important API that are currently missing, should be fixed immediately, I will start working on them
[16:46] <ara> jcollado1, my only concern is that, if ldtpv2 lands late in the cycle, we are not going to be able to fix mago to start working again
[16:47] <nags> ara: I would like to check with you, how the new logFailures should work, the API name will be changed to logfailures :)
[16:48] <jcollado1> ara: My understanding is that LDTPv2 is ready to be integrated now. What do you mean by "lands late in the cycle"?
[16:48] <ara> nags, sure, any time. Feel free to schedule a call, or by email on the list
[16:48] <ara> jcollado1, LDTPv2 is not released yet
[16:48] <ara> jcollado1, once it is released, we need to package it, then get some motu to sponsor it and upload it
[16:49] <nags> ara: sure, will take that offline then :)
[16:49] <jcollado1> nags: When LDTPv2 will be released?
[16:49] <jcollado1> ara: I'm not familiar with that process. How long does it take?
[16:49] <nags> jcollado1: If we have all the API required for Mago are implemented, I think, we are ready to go :)
[16:50] <ara> jcollado1, well, I have friends ;-) so, it won't take too long, hopefully. But we need to package it, that can take a bit longer, depending on our workloads
[16:51] <jcollado1> ara: I don't think packaging is an issue since LDTPv2 code is 100% python.
[16:51] <jcollado1> nags: Correct me if I'm wrong
[16:51] <nags> jcollado1: yes, you are correct :)
[16:52] <ara> nags, jcollado1: so it is the release what's missing :-)
[16:53] <ara> nags, jcollado1: I would prefer this workflow
[16:53] <nags> ara: I would like to confirm, we are not missing any Mago API's ?
[16:53] <ara> nags, jcollado1: we release ldtp2 in lucid as ldtp2 package, keeping ldtp1 for a while (during the development process)
[16:53] <ara> nags, I am not sure, that's the problem
[16:53] <nags> ara: the first thing, I could think of is, logFailures incase of any failures
[16:53] <nags> ara: and the logging API
[16:54] <nags> ara: which are not implemented
[16:54] <ara> nags, jcollado1: then, start migrating mago. Once we know for sure that ldtp2 is stable, then we change the packaging of ldtp2 to Replace ldtp
[16:55] <fagan> so take the safe route for lucid with ldtp1 and change it in lucid+1?
[16:55] <ara> fagan, no, I meant land ldtp2 early in the cycle, so we can test, and later, before FF, deprecate ldtp1
[16:56] <fagan> ara: oh cool
[16:56] <nags> ara: I agree
[16:56] <jcollado1> There's already a python-ldtp package and a mago-ldtp2 branch under mago-contributors, I think the biggest issue is to schedule time to work on them
[16:56] <ara> jcollado1, python-ldtp is ldtp1, but the python bits
[16:57] <jcollado1> ara: No, the python-ldtp in the mago PPA is LDTPv2
[16:57] <jcollado1> ara: Really, I packaged it
[16:57] <jcollado1> ara: I've to update it, though
[16:57] <ara> jcollado1, ok, I though you meant in Ubuntu archive
[16:58] <ara> jcollado1, but do you agree with not deprecating ldtp1 in the beginning
[16:58] <ara> jcollado1, my concern is that LDTP2 is not that well tested, and we are not the only Ubuntu users using LDTP ;-)
[16:59] <jcollado1> ara: I see the point. Then that depends on nags, but it seems he's confident it should be released early.
[16:59] <nags> ara: Intel Moblin team also started testing things with LDTPv2 :)
[17:00] <nags> ara: jcollado1: My concern is logging API is missing, I would like to discuss on that, before implementing this :) Currently I don't have the list of points to discuss on that
[17:00] <nags> ara: I will prepare the list and get back to you guys
[17:01] <ara> jcollado1, can you then update LDTPv2 PPA?
[17:02] <ara> jcollado1, so we can start working on mago
[17:02] <jcollado1> ara: Sure. I'll do that.
[17:02] <ara> jcollado1, thanks
[17:02] <nags> jcollado1: thanks :)
[17:02] <ara> jcollado1, I will send an email to the LDTP list asking ubuntu users opinion about deprecating ldtp1 or not
[17:03] <jcollado1> ara: Ok.
[17:03] <ara> jcollado1, but, what is your main concern of cohabiting both ldtp1 and ldtp2 in Lucid during the development of Lucid?
[17:04] <jcollado1> ara: My only concern is just the extra maintenance that would require
[17:04] <jcollado1> ara: I think we'll finally move to v2 so my opinion is that the sooner the better
[17:05] <jcollado1> ara: (provided that LDTP users agree)
[17:05] <ara> jcollado1, OK, if everything goes wrong, we can revert to LDTP1, anyway
[17:07] <jcollado1> ara: Fine. Let's work on v2 then.
[17:07] <nags> ara: jcollado1: cool, thanks :)
[17:09] <ara> OK. Thanks everybody
[18:02] <davmor2> sbeattie: I'll utilise the mailing list for the upgrade chit chat :)
[18:02] <sbeattie> davmor2: appreciated! :-)
[18:02] <davmor2> anyway lugmeeting tonight so I'm off now
[18:02] <davmor2> bye all
[18:02] <sbeattie> davmor2: cool, thanks, have fun.
[22:08] <moustafa> cr3, fader_ : Good evening, see you tomorrow!
[22:08] <fader_> moustafa: Hasta lasagna!