[07:03] good morning all [07:40] morning [08:34] Morning All === ara_ is now known as ara [12:35] * ara -> lunch === fader|away is now known as fader_ [14:22] fader_, cr3, davmor2 : Pamplemousse! [14:23] moustafa: soup du jour! [14:23] moustafa: Your installer bug turned out to be a real legit bug... good work :) [14:23] fader_ Awesome! [15:01] fader_, moustafa: which bug? [15:01] ara: bug 491027 [15:01] 49102 [15:01] Launchpad bug 491027 in python-apt "Lucid installer hangs at the 85%-95% mark" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491027 [15:02] ara: moustafa broke the installer :P [15:02] moustafa, :D [15:02] fader_, ara: I didn't break it! I just found a way not to make it work :P [15:16] moustafa: does it only break in virtualbox? Have you tried it in kvm? [15:17] fagan: I haven't tried kvm, actually. [15:18] fagan: It was breaking on real hardware as well [15:19] fagan: In fact, it broke earlier on the real hardware than in the virtual environment [15:19] Thats bad [15:19] morning fader_ moustafa cr3 et al [15:20] davmor2: Hey dude [15:20] "et al"? hmmm ;) [15:21] fagan: just covering myself [15:21] Morning davmor2 [15:22] moustafa: if you need help testing im (nearly) always around [15:23] fagan: Duly noted. :) [15:24] * fagan announced myself to the list and to ara and marjo at the UDS [15:25] fagan: thx for offering your help! [15:26] I really dont mind being a test dummy [15:27] * fagan feels like this http://short.ie/hr58cx is the testing team :D [15:27] fader_: alternate is no good either didn't build today :( [15:28] davmor2: Yeah, it hasn't built for a while :/ [15:28] fader_: yeah but only back on track today dude [15:29] Huh? [15:29] Je ne comprends pas. [15:30] fader_: I'm only back on form today, so back to peeing off the release team with my whining [15:30] Ahh, gotcha :) [15:30] fader_: parlez en l'englais si vous plait :p [15:31] fagan: Baguette! [15:31] fader_: thats a roll in English [15:32] fagan: :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5hrUGFhsXo for context [15:32] (such as it is) [15:33] I find it quite helpful in communicating with the Canadian contingent [15:33] * fagan notes [15:34] fader_: you watch some crap [15:35] "Dear kettle, you are black. Love, pot." [15:35] :) [15:35] yeah but at least mine has an excuse in that it's way older than you ;) [15:36] * fagan is more than likely the youngest here [15:39] * davmor2 I just feel like the oldest but have a sneaky suspicion that there may be others older than me [15:43] * davmor2 is trying to get into the christmas mood by listening to things like fairytale in newyork [15:44] * fagan because he is irish has heard that song wayyyy too much [15:46] fagan: I'm English so ditto [15:47] now moved onto I believe in Father Christmas [15:47] * fader_ feels fortunate to have no idea what that song is. [15:47] fader_: Liar [15:47] fader_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrAwK9juhhY [15:48] Hey, I'm in the US, don't listen to the radio, and don't watch TV. :P [15:48] fader_: no I know you lie that's all you do ;) [15:49] Wow, that dude needs some vocal lessons and dental work, stat [15:50] oh yeah he is cheap he is a millionare because of that song and he wont fix his teeth [15:50] fader_: that's as good as it gets dude [15:50] Sheesh [15:51] fader_: my dad assures me that he is a great song writer though [15:52] hello ogasawara [15:52] fagan: I've heard the same of Bruce Springsteen and Bob Dylan, but I think the drugs that make you think these things are true aren't made anymore :( [15:54] fader_: if you want to have a laugh look up the christmas number one in the uk for 1979 [15:55] davmor2: hah [15:55] Sorry, davmor2... couldn't make that out. Your font is too small. [15:55] * fagan didnt know you could set your font on IRC [15:55] fader_: same font as I used before [15:56] davmor2: Strange, I can read that one. It's just when you try to get me to look for things that would be painful to me that I can't make it out. Funny, that. [15:56] davmor2: another brick in the wall pink floyd? [15:57] fagan: indeed [15:57] fader_: http://www.everyhit.com/christmasnumber1.html [15:57] id much prefer the 1985 on [15:57] *one [15:57] Okay, now that I approve of === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk [15:58] the last 4 years it has been a reality show contestant [15:58] fagan: you need lockin' in a small cupboard till your tastes change [15:58] davmor2: 1993 :D [15:59] * fagan was 5 [15:59] and the key throwing away [16:00] fader_: do you like 1975 and 1991 [16:00] Heh, sure :) [16:04] Okay, so I'm clear this time: is the QA meeting in 1 hour? [16:04] My calendar and the fridge calendar still disagree :( [16:04] fader_: no 56 minutes [16:04] Heh [16:05] * fagan will go to the meeting but may be slightly late [16:06] Ive been meaning to go to the meetings but I keep forgetting :( [16:07] Oh I'd forgotten about 86 and 87's number 1 [16:24] fader_: what do you use for calendaring for the meeting times? [16:24] davmor2: Google calendar, which totally loses its marbles whenever DST happens [16:25] fader_: that explains it then I'm using evo's calendar and it's right [16:25] hi ara [16:25] hey nags [16:25] ara: when the meeting starts ? [16:26] nags, in 5 minutes [16:26] ara: ok [16:26] ara: is it not starting at 6 UTC? [16:26] 6 I mean [16:27] 5 [16:27] lol [16:27] fagan, nags is talking about the testing automation meeting [16:27] oh [16:27] fagan, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Meetings [16:27] * fagan will listen in to that too [16:28] fagan: when do you do college work ? [16:28] czajkowski: im doing a project atm [16:28] loads of time to do college work I only have 4 classes [16:28] half the hours of last year [16:29] ara: great article on you in the FCM [16:29] czajkowski, thanks :) [16:29] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Interviews nterview with QA Team Member Ara Pulido : Full Circle Magazine, Issue 31, pages 28-29 for those in here who've not seen it [16:30] jcollado, nags, jtatum, cgregan, cr3, automation meeting? [16:31] ara: ya, me ready [16:32] * cgregan waves [16:32] ok, let's give the others 3 more minutes to arrive [16:35] OK, let's start now [16:35] Agenda: [16:35] * Proposing jtatum as member of the launchpad team mago-contributors (ara) [16:35] * Release of mago 0.2 for Lucid [16:35] * Release of mago 1.0 supporting LDTPv2 [16:36] [TOPIC] * Proposing jtatum as member of the launchpad team mago-contributors [16:36] OK, it is a pity that jtatum does not seem around [16:36] The thing is that he has been doing great contributions to mago, but he is not part of the mago-contributors team [16:37] so he cannot merge into trunk, or review some other people code [16:37] I think that the quality of his work is very good and he should be part of the mago core dev team [16:37] ara: that was surprising to me :) he has done some good chunk of code [16:38] what do you guys think? [16:38] * fagan always believes the more the merrier [16:38] ara: I agree jtatum should be part of mago-contributors team [16:39] fagan, I like that :) [16:39] ara: isnt mago under the canonical contributor agreement? [16:39] fagan, it is, but jtatum already signed it [16:39] good then [16:39] jcollado: any thoughts? [16:40] ara: I don't see any reason to be against that. [16:40] OK, then. I will add him after the meeting [16:41] congrats jtatum! [16:41] [TOPIC] * Release of mago 0.2 for Lucid [16:41] * Release of mago 1.0 supporting LDTPv2 [16:41] This topic is about how are we going to handle mago+ldtp during the Lucid cycle [16:41] ara: cool [16:42] Feature freeze is due to Feb 18th [16:42] so, new features and new packages need to be in before that date [16:43] ara: okay [16:43] ara: if you upload it to lucid asap ill help test it [16:43] ara: I have still some pending fixes to be done in this list http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ldtp-dev/2009-October/000912.html [16:43] so, what do you guys think? should we keep LDTPv1 for Lucid? [16:43] nags: Is LDTPv2 stable enough? [16:43] ara: Have extensively tested LDTPv2 in Ubuntu 9.04, with 1500 testcases in VMware [16:44] jcollado1: yes, we run weekly regression [16:44] nags: Great. [16:44] jcollado1: on Ubuntu 9.04 using LDTPv2 [16:44] Then, I think mago should use LDTPv2 in next release [16:44] maybe we can keep both LDTP1 and LDTP2 in Lucid, having Mago choose between the two with a user parameter [16:45] ara: Since there are slight changes in the interface, I'm not sure that's a good solution [16:45] but be aware in any case that we will have to support it for a longer time [16:45] fagan, good point [16:46] ara, jcollado1: I would like to know, if any important API that are currently missing, should be fixed immediately, I will start working on them [16:46] jcollado1, my only concern is that, if ldtpv2 lands late in the cycle, we are not going to be able to fix mago to start working again [16:47] ara: I would like to check with you, how the new logFailures should work, the API name will be changed to logfailures :) [16:48] ara: My understanding is that LDTPv2 is ready to be integrated now. What do you mean by "lands late in the cycle"? [16:48] nags, sure, any time. Feel free to schedule a call, or by email on the list [16:48] jcollado1, LDTPv2 is not released yet [16:48] jcollado1, once it is released, we need to package it, then get some motu to sponsor it and upload it [16:49] ara: sure, will take that offline then :) [16:49] nags: When LDTPv2 will be released? [16:49] ara: I'm not familiar with that process. How long does it take? [16:49] jcollado1: If we have all the API required for Mago are implemented, I think, we are ready to go :) [16:50] jcollado1, well, I have friends ;-) so, it won't take too long, hopefully. But we need to package it, that can take a bit longer, depending on our workloads [16:51] ara: I don't think packaging is an issue since LDTPv2 code is 100% python. [16:51] nags: Correct me if I'm wrong [16:51] jcollado1: yes, you are correct :) [16:52] nags, jcollado1: so it is the release what's missing :-) [16:53] nags, jcollado1: I would prefer this workflow [16:53] ara: I would like to confirm, we are not missing any Mago API's ? [16:53] nags, jcollado1: we release ldtp2 in lucid as ldtp2 package, keeping ldtp1 for a while (during the development process) [16:53] nags, I am not sure, that's the problem [16:53] ara: the first thing, I could think of is, logFailures incase of any failures [16:53] ara: and the logging API [16:54] ara: which are not implemented [16:54] nags, jcollado1: then, start migrating mago. Once we know for sure that ldtp2 is stable, then we change the packaging of ldtp2 to Replace ldtp [16:55] so take the safe route for lucid with ldtp1 and change it in lucid+1? [16:55] fagan, no, I meant land ldtp2 early in the cycle, so we can test, and later, before FF, deprecate ldtp1 [16:56] ara: oh cool [16:56] ara: I agree [16:56] There's already a python-ldtp package and a mago-ldtp2 branch under mago-contributors, I think the biggest issue is to schedule time to work on them [16:56] jcollado1, python-ldtp is ldtp1, but the python bits [16:57] ara: No, the python-ldtp in the mago PPA is LDTPv2 [16:57] ara: Really, I packaged it [16:57] ara: I've to update it, though [16:57] jcollado1, ok, I though you meant in Ubuntu archive [16:58] jcollado1, but do you agree with not deprecating ldtp1 in the beginning [16:58] jcollado1, my concern is that LDTP2 is not that well tested, and we are not the only Ubuntu users using LDTP ;-) [16:59] ara: I see the point. Then that depends on nags, but it seems he's confident it should be released early. [16:59] ara: Intel Moblin team also started testing things with LDTPv2 :) [17:00] ara: jcollado1: My concern is logging API is missing, I would like to discuss on that, before implementing this :) Currently I don't have the list of points to discuss on that [17:00] ara: I will prepare the list and get back to you guys [17:01] jcollado1, can you then update LDTPv2 PPA? [17:02] jcollado1, so we can start working on mago [17:02] ara: Sure. I'll do that. [17:02] jcollado1, thanks [17:02] jcollado1: thanks :) [17:02] jcollado1, I will send an email to the LDTP list asking ubuntu users opinion about deprecating ldtp1 or not [17:03] ara: Ok. [17:03] jcollado1, but, what is your main concern of cohabiting both ldtp1 and ldtp2 in Lucid during the development of Lucid? [17:04] ara: My only concern is just the extra maintenance that would require [17:04] ara: I think we'll finally move to v2 so my opinion is that the sooner the better [17:05] ara: (provided that LDTP users agree) [17:05] jcollado1, OK, if everything goes wrong, we can revert to LDTP1, anyway [17:07] ara: Fine. Let's work on v2 then. [17:07] ara: jcollado1: cool, thanks :) [17:09] OK. Thanks everybody [18:02] sbeattie: I'll utilise the mailing list for the upgrade chit chat :) [18:02] davmor2: appreciated! :-) [18:02] anyway lugmeeting tonight so I'm off now [18:02] bye all [18:02] davmor2: cool, thanks, have fun. === fader_ is now known as fader|lunch === fader|lunch is now known as fader_ [22:08] cr3, fader_ : Good evening, see you tomorrow! [22:08] moustafa: Hasta lasagna! === fader_ is now known as fader|away