[01:52] <JontheEchidna> launchpad has been threatinging to go offline for the past 20 mins, heh
[01:56] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: you about?
[02:01] <txwikinger> maybe we need a launchpad cluster/cloud
[02:07] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: yo yo
[02:09] <ScottK> Well Launchpad's reliablity does exceed it's speed.
[02:09] <nixternal> heh
[02:09] <nixternal> it has killed bzr and everything too
[02:10] <ScottK> Code hosting is supposed to be out too.
[02:10] <DarkwingDuck> ??
[02:10] <ScottK> Didn't check if it actually is.
[02:10] <nixternal> it is
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> upload.ubuntu.com is down, much to my chagrin
[02:11] <nixternal> the world is ending, hurry, everyone, lets go over to arch!
[02:11] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[02:11] <DarkwingDuck> How long is this going to last?
[02:11] <nixternal> probably an hour or so
[02:11] <DarkwingDuck> hey nixternal, you work with kde-doc guys too right?
[02:11] <nixternal> this is good, I need to go pick up my new spinner bike
[02:12] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: I am the team lead for kde documentation project
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> the fact that the launchpad website itself is still up worries me a bit though
[02:12] <DarkwingDuck> Ahh hah
[02:12] <nixternal> well, I act as the team lead, but I haven't done a damn thing since the last freeze :/
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> spinners like on expensive SUVs?
[02:12] <nixternal> haha, no, spinning bike for the winter
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> :P
[02:12] <ScottK> He'll be getting some grillz next you hear
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> ha
[03:22] <jjesse> nixternal: saw your blog post that is awesome
[03:23] <jjesse> are they committing yet or just sending the completed doc to you or me to commit?
[03:26] <kallecarl> Is Darkwing on?
[03:26] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: ^^^
[03:26] <dtchen> client idle 12 mins
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> who what?
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> I'm here now.
[03:28] <kallecarl> thanks for the mail this evening...Carl
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> Oh hey Carl
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks for your help man
[03:28] <kallecarl> I didn't hurt your feelings?
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> Not at all
[03:29] <kallecarl> does Lucid have KDE 4.4?
[03:29] <DarkwingDuck> Not yet... as far as I know it will be added soon
[03:29] <ScottK> kallecarl: We are packaging KDE SC 4.4 beta right now.
[03:29] <DarkwingDuck> next week or so right ScottK?
[03:29] <ScottK> It'll be in Lucid once it's released (likely Monday)
[03:29] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: yes
[03:29] <DarkwingDuck> Then my netbook will be an adventure!
[03:30] <kallecarl> the kde-promo people are working on the feature guide. would like to see it befor e jumping in on that
[03:30] <ScottK> We'll have it in Lucid as soon as we can.  The tarballs we have now to work on packaging are on a non-disclosure basis until release day.
[03:31] <kallecarl> Dark...you mentioned jumping in on some subject from the doc todos. it looks like they're  mostly spoken for
[03:31] <kallecarl> graphics, media
[03:31] <kallecarl> still unassigned
[03:31] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I noticed that after I emailed you LOL
[03:31] <kallecarl> where is the old documentation
[03:32] <jjesse> bztr
[03:32] <DarkwingDuck> Old documentation was from KDE 3.x
[03:32] <jjesse> bzr
[03:32] <kallecarl> it was comfortable editing your stuff, but coming up with new is more of a challenge. hats off to you
[03:32] <DarkwingDuck> LOL It's not too bad
[03:32] <kallecarl> where bzr jesse
[03:32] <jjesse> the kubuntu-docs is maintained in bzr ifthat's what you are asking for, the old branch is lp:kubuntu-docs/karmic and the new branch is lp:kubuntu-docs
[03:33] <kallecarl> okay
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> there you go Carl. Thanks jjesse
[03:33] <jjesse> welcome
[03:33] <kallecarl> i'll take a look at those tasks.
[03:33] <kallecarl> graphics/media
[03:34] <DarkwingDuck> Hey jjesse, are there no games pre-installed?
[03:34] <kallecarl> you mentioned running Lucid in VM. Launched Vbox. notification of new version. dpkg didn't like the install of 3.1 over 3.08
[03:34] <kallecarl> might just run it in a separate partition
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> That would work too.
[03:35] <kallecarl> is there something like svn on Lucid?
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> we use bzr
[03:35] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck i don't think there are any games preinstalled
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> with launchpad
[03:35] <ScottK> kallecarl: You can use bzr just like svn if you want.
[03:35] <kallecarl> I mean for the iso
[03:35] <ScottK> Oh.
[03:35] <ScottK> Lucid is still kde 4.3.3
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> kallecarl: use the dailybuild URL I sent you
[03:36] <kallecarl> is it safe to go into the lucid water
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: should we remove the games section from the docs?
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> kallecarl: its still pre-alpha-1
[03:36] <ScottK> kallecarl: No.
[03:36] <ScottK> If you have to ask, the answer is no.
[03:37] <kallecarl> I dunno...i've gotten in trouble by doing it anyway
[03:37] <kallecarl> that's how it went with KDE 4.0
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> Unless you are into serous testing and cruising for a bruising... :D
[03:37] <kallecarl> now I'm tickled with 4.3.4 and my LUG buddies are bitching about leaving 3.5
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[03:37] <kallecarl> it's only eyecandy
[03:38] <ScottK> No, it's not.
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> It's ALOT more then eyecandy
[03:38] <kallecarl> all that other stuff is just Aaron going on about stuff
[03:38] <kallecarl> Seigo
[03:38] <kallecarl> i know
[03:38] <kallecarl> I've presented at LUGseveral times. They're almost sold
[03:39] <kallecarl> just showed KNE. It was excellent
[03:39] <kallecarl> http://blug.org/news-record.dxp?id=139
[03:40] <DarkwingDuck> Carl, you get my note about KNE changing to KNR for Lucid?
[03:40] <kallecarl> yeah
[03:40] <kallecarl> enough fooling around...will run Lucid in a VM and check out those two topics
[03:41] <kallecarl> I'd just as soon not contend with redoing grub2. It's beautifulthe way I've got it now
[03:41] <DarkwingDuck> :) ping me if ya need anything I'm jumping back and forth from here and nano
[03:41] <kallecarl> i'm cool...thanks all. I will email any new stuff Darkwing
[03:41] <DarkwingDuck> Oh BTW jjesse, I have fallen in love with nano
[03:44] <jjesse> yaya :)
[03:45] <DarkwingDuck> Is there a way to get nano to highlight in Karmic like it does in Lucid?
[03:45] <jjesse> no idea
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[03:48] <dtchen> quite probably: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=62250
[03:48] <dtchen> ^ DarkwingDuck
[03:48] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Switching to vim will do that for you.
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> vim?
[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> Thansk dtchen
[03:50] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-to-enable-syntax-highlighting-in.html
[03:51] <claydoh> ooh somebody beat me to the punch
[04:09] <DarkwingDuck> Had to write one for XML but, thank you all.
[04:10] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: you use nano?
[05:40] <DAskreech> Nightrose: ping
[05:55] <DAskreech> Tonio_: Did you send me that e-mail?
[06:33] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: don't be like JontheEchidna, ditch nano :) no self-respecting hacker can claim they use nano
[06:34]  * ScottK 
[06:34] <DAskreech> Why can't they claim they use nano?
[06:34] <ScottK> It's as obvious a newbie move as wondering around a ship asking where you should be for your mail buoy watch
[06:38]  * Sput prefers joe
[06:56] <nixternal> ScottK: can you go down to the daviey jones locker and get me a marlin spike so I can break up the ice on the weather deck?
[06:56] <nixternal> or, do me a favor, run down to the boiler room and request a BT Punch
[06:57] <nixternal> my favorite was passing through the straights of gibraltor at night, and telling the new fish to grab a broom and get top side and keep an eye out for the flying monkeys
[06:58] <Sput> O_o
[06:58]  * Sput must have missed an important piece of culture
[06:58] <nixternal> hehe, it was navy jokes we did to the new people
[06:59] <nixternal> a BT Punch is an actual fist to the body from a BT, which is a Boiler Tech in the navy
[07:00] <nixternal> a marlinspike is used by sailors to untie knots in rope
[07:00] <Sput> ah
[07:01] <nixternal> ScottK: or....go get some new light bulbs for the bright work :)
[07:13] <Tm_T> nixternal: I use nano or Kate most of the time (:
[08:10] <Nightrose> DAskreech: pong
[08:21] <DAskreech> Nightrose: I was just asking what was the numbers you had seen in the techrepublic poll asking about the readers opinons of KDE?
[08:22] <Nightrose> DAskreech: 70/ for continuing - don't remember the other numbers - why?
[08:22] <DAskreech> It's like 46 now :(
[08:24] <Nightrose> wth?
[08:25] <jussi01> !info accountz-baz lucid
[08:39] <Mamarok> !info accountz-baz
[08:39] <Mamarok> riiight
[08:39] <Mamarok> jussi01: you can guess it's in Lucid, too
[10:13] <Mamarok> good morning
[10:14] <Mamarok> folks, do you know tsimpson is running for IRC Council? Some cheers would be nice: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TerenceSimpson
[10:17] <ghostcube> yeah Mamarok i heared this yesterday
[10:17] <ghostcube> :D
[11:45] <ofirk> nixternal: are you here?
[12:51] <rgreening_> ping JontheEchidna
[12:52] <rgreening_> !ninjas
[12:59] <Quintasan> rgreening_: shouldn't we be there too? :P
[13:03] <rgreening_> yeah...
[13:03] <rgreening_> I need an invite to the batcave
[13:04] <rgreening_> my nic at home is still connected
[13:04] <rgreening_> or is there a way I can kik that nic so I can re auth from here
[13:05] <Quintasan>  /msg NickServ GHOST rgreening <password> :P
[13:05]  * rgreening_ tries
[13:06] <rgreening> whee
[13:06] <rgreening> ty
[13:07] <Quintasan> no problem :)
[13:37] <Quintasan> !info lucid libmediastreamer-dev
[13:37] <Quintasan> !info libmediastreamer-dev lucid
[15:05] <ghostcube> o.O
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> !find XShapeQueryExtension
[17:06] <debfx> the fullscreen mode of vlc doesn't work with kde >= 4.3.3 (bug #485030)
[17:07] <debfx> how should this be fixed for users of kubuntu-ppa?
[17:09] <Lex79> That bug is a vlc's bug and not kde bug, there is no fix yet for lucid, you should wait the fix for lucid before the fix for karmic
[17:09] <debfx> a SRU of vlc (the bug might affect other window managers as well) or put an updated package of vlc in kubuntu-ppa?
[17:11] <Lex79> I think to kubuntu-ppa
[17:12] <debfx> I'm not sure if the patch is going into the lucid package as it'll be fixed in 1.0.4 anyway
[18:09] <ScottK> debfx: We want to try to get kde 4.3.4 into karmic-updates, so a pre-emptive SRU of VLC might be useful
[18:10] <ScottK> debfx: Also I'm working on packaging kdebase-workspace for 4.4 beta.  Your brightness patch didn't exactly apply, so I'm disabling it for the first upload and hope you'll be able to look into it.
[18:32] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[18:34] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: tighten the MPAs nuts and batteries for the sound powers phones were my favorites
[18:37] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: So you understand the concept of Nano then.
[18:39] <DarkwingDuck> you mean as a light editor?
[18:39] <ScottK> I mean as something people might laugh at you for doing.
[18:40] <DarkwingDuck> Honestly, I don't care... :P Its light, simple and now it highlights XML files
[18:40] <DarkwingDuck> I mostly use kate for longer work but, for a quick edit, nano
[18:40] <ScottK> Just giving you some grief ....
[18:41] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know.
[18:41] <DarkwingDuck> *snickers*
[18:41] <DarkwingDuck> Im a 7 year sailor.... there isn't anything ANYONE can say that will bug me or get under my skin
[18:41] <ScottK> The design genius behind control W for saving a document and control O to exit, never ceases to amaze me.
[18:47] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:41] <jussi01> hrm, a good while back I suggested a task manager with only icons, does anyon know if this is possiblle yet?
[19:43] <apachelogger> jussi01: you really just need to stack another view on the ksystemguard model I suppose
[19:44] <apachelogger> getting icons however will only work for apps which have one in the regular ksystemguard though
[19:46] <jussi01> apachelogger: Im just talking about removing the names from programs in the taskbar/panel
[19:47] <apachelogger> jussi01: despite I do not see the point of it ... just right click on the name column and say hide :P
[19:47] <jussi01> apachelogger: nam column?
[19:47] <apachelogger> name column
[19:47]  * jussi01 thinks apachelogger doesnt understand what he wants...
[19:48] <apachelogger> ohhhhh
[19:48] <apachelogger> now I get it
[19:48] <jussi01> apachelogger: Im talking about the plasmoid in the panel that shows currently running programs
[19:48] <zorael> jussi01: like smooth tasks?
[19:48] <jussi01> :D
[19:48]  * apachelogger didnt read that clearification properly
[19:48] <apachelogger> jussi01: stasks does that
[19:48] <apachelogger> well, in the win7 kind of way
[19:48] <jussi01> ok, where do I get that?
[19:48] <zorael> jussi01: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Smooth+Tasks?content=101586
[19:49] <jussi01> yeah, thats the kinda thing Im talking about
[19:49] <apachelogger> !info plasma-widget-stasks
[19:49] <jussi01> apachelogger: oooh, thanks!!
[19:49] <jussi01> wait wait wait
[19:50] <jussi01> thats not quite what Im after...
[19:50] <apachelogger> that is as close as it gets :P
[19:50] <jussi01> ok, look at this screenshot: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=3&id=101586&file1=101586-1.png&file2=101586-2.png&file3=101586-3.jpg&name=Smooth+Tasks
[19:51] <jussi01> the programs listed in the panel, I dont want names, only the icons...
[19:51] <apachelogger> jussi01: smooth tasks != stasks
[19:51] <apachelogger> see description
[19:52]  * apachelogger never likes forks to begin with :P
[19:52] <jussi01> oh, I clicked on zorael's link... :D
[19:52]  * jussi01 installs and tries
[19:53] <apachelogger> jussi01: http://imagebin.ca/view/teEyBoP1.html
[19:54] <jussi01> ahh, exactly...
[19:54] <apachelogger> you can also turn off grouping, then you dont have to use them popups I suppose
[19:55] <jussi01> yeah, I _hate_ grouping
[19:55] <apachelogger> it's actually quite barable with stasks
[19:55] <apachelogger> hate it with regular taskbar too though
[19:56] <jussi01> nope, not imho. it still takes too long... I just want to click once and be where I want to be..
[19:56] <apachelogger> without text that should turn out difficult if you do have more than one windows :P
[19:58]  * JontheEchidna is using plasma-widget-fancytasks at the moment
[19:58] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: screenshot?
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> sec
[19:59] <jussi01> hrm, themings got me now :P
[20:00] <Tm_T> jussi01: it's dark path which you should avoid...
[20:00] <jussi01> lol
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> it comes with a fancypanel containment that looks like the OSX dock (if you can do compositing, which I can't)
[20:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: because I accidently clicked on my bugs mail folder ... bug 492010 the subject sounds like a dupe of that infamous java bug
[20:00] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: can be used as widget in desktop too
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: I have an autohidden normal panel at the bottom left corner of the screen that I can throw my mouse down towards
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> that autohidden panel holds the normal fancytasks widget
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: http://imagebin.ca/view/CQK6TAS.html
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> I don't know why I have that xbar on the top panel since I'm not using bespin anymore :P
[20:03] <Quintasan> nice
[20:03] <Quintasan> :)
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> oh, and if anybody knows what the issue is with that icecc error message... ;-)
[20:04] <Quintasan> would it be safe to copy my modified debian/ over to bzr dir, edit changelog and upload?
[20:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: configure your icecc properly :P
[20:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: in the hook you need to set the scheduler IP or hostname
[20:06] <apachelogger> otherwise icecream will not be able to connect and hence turn itself off to prevent overhead
[20:06] <apachelogger> since passing stuff through icecc will create overhead for one single machine
[20:08] <Quintasan> let's add this to repos -> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/todo+list?content=90706 :P
[20:10] <Quintasan> lololool both Smooth and Fancy Tasks are made by polish developer
[20:10] <Quintasan> I didn't know :D
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thx
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> sweet, it works
[20:34] <daskreech> JontheEchidna: Someone was asking for snow pictures in the weather wallpaper. I kinda don't get to test snow very often. I assume there is one? He was getting wheat fields
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> daskreech: if the weather provider says it's snowing there should be a snow wallpaper
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> the weather provider may be saying that the weather is clear, even if snow is on the ground
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> unfortunately we don't have computer sensors to detect snow :P
[20:39] <daskreech> Yeah That's what I told him
[20:39] <Tm_T> that's how it goes yes
[20:41] <ScottK> Is someone working on a MIR for shared-desktop-ontologies?
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> ugh, writing up a proper debian/copyright for that is going to be "fun"
[20:45] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: In the mean time, I'd suggest finding a minion to start working on the MIR.
[20:45] <daskreech> Tonio_: ping
[20:46] <daskreech> Bleah Phonon is still screwed for me
[20:46] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: indeed
[20:47] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna, ScottK: What do I need to mention in a MIR, package name, reason and what else?
[20:47] <ScottK> Quintasan: There's a MIR template on the wiki.  Fill it in.
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> there's a template to fill out
[20:47] <Quintasan> okay
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> the MIR shouldn't be too hard since there's not any code, as far as I can see
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> just a bunch of xml files
[20:48] <Tm_T> it should be merely data yes
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> I am wondering if the package couldn't be arch all, though I'm not sure
[20:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If it's all data, is should be.
[20:51] <daskreech>  symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_xine.so: undefined symbol: _ZN9QHashData13detach_helperEPFvPNS_4NodeEPvEPFvS1_Ei
[20:52] <Quintasan> lol
[20:53] <Tm_T> daskreech: with KDE 4.4 series?
[20:57] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: are you using any packaging systems in shared-desktop-ontologies?
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: debhelper 7 with the kde debhelper addon
[20:58] <ScottK> daskreech: What are you trying to do?
[21:01] <Quintasan> damn
[21:32] <WeatherGod> Greetings from the bug squad!
[21:33] <WeatherGod> I am dealing with a bug report and it seems that the person used a package from the Kubuntu Updates Staging ppa
[21:33] <WeatherGod> and I am not sure how you would like it handled
[21:40] <WeatherGod> the error is extra files in the kde-I10n-gl_4:4.3.3-0ubuntu1~ppa1_all.deb that conflict with kde-i18n-gl_3.5.9-0 package
[21:40] <WeatherGod> it appears that the conflicting files do not belong there at all in the kde-I10n-gl package
[21:41] <Tm_T> KDE 3.5.9 :o
[21:42] <WeatherGod> sorry.... kde-i18n-gl-4:3.5.9-0ubuntu3
[21:44] <WeatherGod> anyway, the files in the kde-I10n-gl-4:4.3.3-0ubuntu1 do not appear in kde-I10n-gl-4:4.3.2-0ubuntu1
[21:45] <WeatherGod> makes me wonder if there was a mistake
[21:45] <Tm_T> WeatherGod: I wonder this 3.5.9 there, its... old
[21:47] <Tm_T> no, it's ... ok, I don't understand
[21:50] <ScottK> WeatherGod: We have a kubuntu-ppa project with a bug tracker.  Please reassign the bug there and i'll look at it.
[21:50] <Tm_T> wasn't 3.5.10 released over a year ago?
[21:51]  * Tm_T is really puzzled with these version numbers
[21:51] <ScottK> Tm_T: It was, but I don't think we uploaded the new translations.
[21:51] <ScottK> It was post-Hardy, so it was in -updates
[21:51] <Tm_T> ScottK: ah, yeah, those are just dragging along
[21:51] <Tm_T> that'll explains it
[21:53] <Riddell> evening fellow kubuntu dudes
[21:54] <ScottK> Good evening Riddell.
[21:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna and Lex79: Except for the phonon problem, are we ready to put Qt 4.6.0 in the archive?
[21:55] <nookie^> evening Riddell
[21:56] <WeatherGod> ScottK: thanks, that's what I'll do
[21:56] <Lex79> ScottK: the armel issue is not fixed yet, but qt 4.6 is ready in ppa
[21:56] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm expecting you can't upload Qt where you are,  but if you could review it, I'd appreicate it.
[21:57] <ScottK> Lex79: The proposed workaround on armel  didn't work.
[21:57] <Lex79> :(
[21:57]  * ScottK  has to go.  See you later.
[22:01] <ofirk> nixternal: are you here?
[22:02] <Riddell> ScottK: review from bzr?
[22:08] <ScottK> Lex79: Qt is update to date in bzr, right?
[22:08] <ScottK> Riddell: If Lex79 says it's up to date, yes
[22:13] <Mamarok> OH my, the folks on the sounder ML are a strange lot. I redirected some of the incorrigible OT adepts to that list to keep kubuntu-users sane, I am flabbergasted what they made of sounder...
[22:15] <Mamarok> hi Riddell, what on earth are you doing at work while on holiday?
[22:17] <Tm_T> Mamarok: having free time from free time
[22:21] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Riddell, how is vacation?
[22:29] <Riddell> Mamarok: just making sure anarchy hasn't broken lose in my absence
[22:29] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: very cold, canoeing in the snow all day today
[22:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: I envy you. no snow here still ):
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> It was 16 degrees Celsius and rainy today in New Hampshire
[22:54] <ScottK> It was quite nice here today too.
[22:57] <Riddell> it's a wonder I have any toes left
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> new shared-desktop-ontologies package in revu
[23:23] <ScottK> Someone else should REVU it so I can accept it later.