daskreechTm_T: No The kde 4.4 series are available?00:17
daskreechScottK: open any app that uses Phonon00:18
daskreechJontheEchidna: Are we shipping Virtuoso ?00:20
JontheEchidnadaskreech: not yet. Somebody at debian is supposedly working on packaging virtuoso itself00:25
JontheEchidnabut once all that's sorted it should be trivial to do00:34
JontheEchidnawe do build the soprano backend; we just need the virtuoso database server itself to make everything work00:35
daskreechSo there are no 4.4 builds yet?01:31
daskreechAh so Tm_T's question was just checking if I compiled it myself02:25
nixternalofirk: yo yo...kind of here for a minute...working on a friends laptop, got it all stripped down with screws everywhere...no smoke yet :)03:16
kb9vqfI know it's old code, but any idea why the dcopobject destructor would crash?03:19
kb9vqfIt only happens when a specific window is delted03:19
nixternalwow, I don't even remember a darn thing about dcop, and I was a dcop junkie back in the day03:19
kb9vqfoh well03:21
nixternalanyone know if there is something like python-telepathy for kde/qt? for embedding an irc channel into a widget like...messing around here just a bit to much I think :)03:25
shtylmannixternal: there is a python irc library03:47
shtylmannixternal: don't know about anything else python related that you could use with irc03:47
shtylmannixternal: I found the python irc library to work quite well03:48
nixternalpython-twisted-words :)03:48
nixternalpython-irclib is not good03:48
shtylmanhow come?03:48
nixternalway to low-level03:49
nixternalthis is what I did in twisted ^^03:49
nixternal2 minutes03:49
shtylmanheh... I see03:49
nixternalall it does is log conversation...which is exactly what I was wanting to achieve :)03:49
shtylmanahh I c03:50
shtylman*i c03:50
shtylmanI found irclib to do what I wanted03:50
shtylmangive me lots of control as well03:50
shtylman(thats what I used for the live assistant)03:50
nixternaloh ya...I could just steal everything I need from that...I totally forgot03:51
nixternalI could picture live assistant logging in, tells a bot the issue, and then someone can subscribe to the 'ticket', and work the live assistant :)03:52
shtylmanthats exactly what it does :)03:53
nixternalor it is a bot, it messages a channel that there is a person in the queue, and lists their issue...then someone can go '!thatsmine'03:53
nixternaloh nice03:53
shtylmanyou can get the source and run it :) ... it will work03:53
nixternalonce lp comes back of course :)03:53
shtylmanahh right...03:53
shtylmanwell...I can help with that...03:53
nixternalI will grab it...I looked it over briefly a week or so ago03:53
shtylmanyou should be able to do a bzr branch from that03:54
nixternaloh ya, I told you port 8001...now I remember it better03:56
nixternalthat is slick...funny thing, it has been an idea for years in the community, and I think you are the first to even rock it out this far03:56
nixternalpeople started a project on LP, and it never lasted long03:56
shtylmanyea...I saw that03:56
shtylmandied many years ago03:57
shtylmanso yea03:57
shtylmanyou can run the bot03:57
shtylmanits safe03:57
shtylmanhe will connect and join #live_assistant_channel03:57
shtylmanoh...and you might want to change the logs path03:57
shtylmansomewhere at the top of the bot source... its hard coded right now :)03:57
shtylmanthen just run the qt client and off you go03:57
nixternalya, just saw the TODO on it03:59
nixternalshtylman: that thing freakin' rocks!04:07
shtylmanthx :)04:08
nixternala little UI tweakage, and it is golden04:08
shtylmanyep... and then a small web frontend to view logs04:08
nixternaltweakage as in, breakout the links to a sidebar or something04:08
shtylmanahh yea... that should be done..04:08
shtylmanI just havn't gotten to that04:08
nixternalotherwise it is the hottness04:08
shtylmanthe endgoal is to have another bot do like a search on answers or something for similar results04:08
nixternaladd an icon for the user, and then a tech support looking person :)04:09
shtylmanand display that in the sidebar or wahtnot04:09
nixternalok...gotta go fix this laptop before I forget about it and i lose the screws :)04:10
shtylmanthat would be bad04:11
* kb9vqf is doing regression testing on qt3/gcc4/kdepim...ugghhh04:14
daskreechkb9vqf: are you on identi.ca ?04:22
DarkwingDucknixternal: You around?04:25
vorianrgreening: yes?05:11
kb9vqfdaskreech: What is it?06:06
daskreechkb9vqf: :-P06:07
kb9vqf(means no, I'm not)06:07
* kb9vqf doesn't really go for social networking06:07
kb9vqfit was hard enough getting me on IRC :)06:08
daskreechkb9vqf: Yeah but it's nice to do once a month updates that someone is working on packages in KDE3 in the !kubuntu group06:08
kb9vqfI actually have my own branch in the official KDE SVN now :)06:08
daskreechKeeps awareness alive and is about a good a tool as having a rabid mob spreading your message as one can hope for06:08
daskreechine !kde group as well then :)06:09
DarkwingDuckI wonder if this is the wrong time to tell Riddell that it was about 70F here in San Diego today :P06:09
* kb9vqf notes that the temp. is now 27 degrees Fahrenheit06:09
kb9vqfAnd snowing06:10
kb9vqfSo, yes :)06:10
* daskreech is so bummed about not going to Camp KDE06:10
DarkwingDuckI'll make it to Camp-KDE this year. Yay!06:11
daskreechkb9vqf: I'd advocate that you get an account if nothign else to have notices anytime you are working on KDE3 packages06:13
* kb9vqf thinks about it06:13
kb9vqfOK :)06:13
* kb9vqf doesn't know what he would do without Daskreech06:13
kb9vqfprobably stay buried with no users06:14
kb9vqfIs there a Qt3 debug symbols package?06:15
daskreechIf you make an account let me know and I'll follow you06:15
daskreechI can make your posts more public as needed if you don't want to be bothered with knowing what else is going on in the kubuntu kde doktoring workd06:16
daskreech!find qt3 dbg06:17
ubottudbg is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, intrepid, intrepid-backports, jaunty, jaunty-backports, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, medibuntu, partner06:17
daskreech!find qt3-dbg06:17
ubottuFound: python-qt3-dbg06:17
daskreech!find qt4-dbg06:17
ubottuFound: libqt4-dbg, python-qt4-dbg06:17
daskreechLooks like no06:17
kb9vqfdaskreech: That's what I figured :(  Makes tracing the *!#*@& regression in Qt3/gcc4.4 kinda hard06:18
kb9vqfBTW, here's my identi.ca account: http://identi.ca/madscientist15906:18
daskreechWonder if there would be any help in #qt06:18
kb9vqfDunno what I'll do with it yet :)06:19
daskreechkb9vqf: You just made it?06:20
daskreechYep Just saw welcomebot welcome you :)06:20
kb9vqfavatar's up now too :)06:20
daskreechSeen :-)06:22
daskreechOk What are you working on now?06:22
kb9vqfTracing a Kmail glitch deep into the bowels of Qt306:23
kb9vqf(Regression testing back to Intrepid, actually)06:23
daskreechkb9vqf is doing regression testing on qt3/gcc4/kdepim...ugghhh06:24
daskreechThat's a good dent :)06:24
* kb9vqf posts that06:24
daskreechWhat you are doing and what you are doing it on and your reaction/hopes/problems/outlook06:24
kb9vqfInstalling side-by-side Intrepid/Jaunty/Karmic setups on the same machine, hoping to get a meaningful backtrace and a fix on when the issue crept in06:26
kb9vqfOutlook: not good :(06:26
kb9vqfdaskreech: what do you see at http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net06:27
* kb9vqf notes his DNS is fouled up ATM06:27
* daskreech queues up some HD porn for the fun of it06:29
kb9vqfShould be fixed now; can you verify?06:30
daskreechYeah it's down06:30
kb9vqfThanks :)06:31
daskreechAnd some boring things about repos are up now06:31
* kb9vqf does not need exciting DMCA notices06:31
daskreechFor taping over the air programs?06:32
kallecarlDarkwingDuck: got Lucid loaded in VBox. Looks nice. Are updates supported through standard repositories?06:32
daskreechcan they do that?06:32
kb9vqfFor distributing them06:32
kb9vqfre-distributing them over the internet that is, yes06:32
DarkwingDuckkallecarl: turn on unsupported releases06:32
daskreechOh you can watch Myth Over the web?06:32
daskreechHmm I should look at a install06:32
kb9vqfYup; it's pretty nice :)06:32
kb9vqfLittle built-in Flash player just like youtube, but faster06:32
daskreech<video> ftw!!06:33
kallecarlDarkwingDuck: okay...still dithering about writing the unassigned sections06:33
DarkwingDuckkallecarl: pre-released and unsupported06:33
DarkwingDuckkallecarl: if you want to take either office or internet I'll take a couple of those others06:34
* daskreech ponders how Kwin has been running longer than X06:34
kallecarlhave you guys set up guidelines for what to write...those topics could be mighty big06:34
daskreechkb9vqf: rebroadcast your dent in case you didn't see :)06:34
* kb9vqf notes that Qt now includes a built-in time machine06:34
kb9vqfI did notice--thanks!06:35
daskreechNo that's QT06:35
DarkwingDuckkallecarl: look at the other branches on how they did it for guidance06:35
daskreechAnd snow leopard :)06:35
DarkwingDuckBut, don't worry about how big they get06:35
daskreechOr whichever cat came with the TIme machine06:35
kb9vqfnahh...I mean the Stargate sci-fi kind :)06:36
kallecarlDarkwingDuck: BTW, VBox running Lucid as guest in Karmic is pretty slick06:36
daskreechSo did Apple!06:36
kallecarlhad to mess around with guest additions a bit06:36
daskreechat least acording to the marketing team >_>06:36
DarkwingDuckFor the Lucid desktop that what I'm doing kallecarl. Lucid is fully installed on my netbook however06:36
kallecarlDarkwingDuck: what other section do you like for guidance?06:37
kallecarlso far Lucid is smooth06:37
DarkwingDuckThose links I gave you...06:37
daskreechkb9vqf: Which time machine?06:37
DarkwingDuckAlso, I just use the program and write what all I had to do06:37
DarkwingDuckI don't go too deep with it06:37
kb9vqfdaskreech: The one that allowed kwin to run longer than X06:37
DarkwingDuckBut, deep enough06:38
kallecarlyou suggested style guides and Lucid links, but no sections that you like06:38
kallecarlyour netbook and about are the only sections I've gotten into much06:38
daskreechYeah I'm still a little ... oh crap it's not running time it's how much CPU time it's taken up06:39
kallecarli'll take a look and ping you if questions06:39
daskreechOf course I turned off compositing about 1/2 hour ago so It's fallen in CPU usage but it's still enough to make it use more time than X06:39
DarkwingDuckThat's about all thats there right now kallecarl. If you go into Launchpad you can view the other branches and take a look at those. I'm off to bed soon though06:39
kb9vqfkwin pigging out again?06:39
kallecarlokay...I'm on PST too...Bellingham06:40
kb9vqfFound the Qt debug symbols...apparently they are installed with the standard Qt libs, not in a separate package06:40
daskreechNot really I've been doing a lot of kwin moving around of stuff since this evening so it's been working06:40
daskreechkb9vqf: That's ... interesting06:40
kb9vqfOdd for sure06:40
daskreechNot sure about Odd06:41
daskreechit's been argued for a while that's the way it should be06:41
kb9vqfWell, kinda bloat-ish anyway; I know the debug symbols are the first thing I get rid of when I run out of disk space06:41
kb9vqfBut it would cut down on useless backtraces I suppose06:42
kallecarlDarkwingDuck:office looks doable...internet-I only use a couple of the apps. Someone else would do a better job. I'm more of an office soft06:47
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kb9vqfIs there a way to get a complete build log (not just the tail) from Launchpad while the package is still building?08:15
tsimpsonkb9vqf: I don't think so, but ask in #launchpad08:18
kb9vqfOK, thanks anyway08:19
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jussi01apachelogger: you are a superman. stasks is great, thanks09:40
NightroseSime: around?10:56
apacheloggerchromium says that our website is too slow!11:03
apacheloggerwell, indeed I am saying it, but based on chromium telling me that it takes 2.12 seconds to load11:04
NightroseSime: i need to run - dirk needs you for releases stuff - please ping him11:04
apacheloggeruhhh w3c got themselfs a fancy new website :)11:06
* apachelogger fixes our website markup :S11:15
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ScottKdpm: As I mentioned at UDS, quassel is working on switching to gettext from the native Qt translations.  They have some technical questions about how gettext stuff works.  Could you, perhaps, join #quassel and see if we can help them out?13:38
dpmScottK, sure13:39
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reficwhen is 4.4b1 going in?16:04
rgreeningrefic: it's being packaged now...16:05
ScottKIt got delayed a week.16:05
rgreeningso, ya, when it's officially released, we should be shortly after that.16:05
reficit is officially released?16:06
Tm_Twhat's the nepomuk situation there, virtuoso?16:07
reficI'll surely start some lucid testing when it's in :)16:08
rgreeningya, it just got announced, and we are packaging now...16:08
reficyeah, good to know16:08
rgreeningpartly done... some issues to resove...16:08
ScottKJontheEchidna, apachelogger: I propose that when we upload to the archive we do it in reverse order of build-depends.  In my experiments this gives us a lot less retries to do due to archive squeue16:29
apacheloggerScottK: so qt, soprano and friends are last?16:31
ScottKNo, kde4libs is last.16:31
ScottKDo the support stuff and the reverse order stuff and then as kde4libs gets built it all takes off16:32
* rgreening hopes everyone remembered to bump the build deps correctly16:32
apacheloggerScottK: well, since we now have a Qt upload at hand too... I think qt should be last?16:33
ScottKDoesn't matter.  Nothing will build in the KDE stack until libs is uploaded.16:33
ScottKThe key is to get all the KDE stuff depwait before libs gets published16:33
apacheloggeryeah, just saying, if we upload Qt last we can upload in whatever order16:33
apacheloggersince libs cannot build without Qt 4.616:33
apacheloggerneither can soprano or akonadi (given they have bumped builddeps)16:34
apacheloggerthat said, is the dep graph still up to date?16:34
JontheEchidnashould be16:34
JontheEchidnargreening updated it the other day to remove the kdelibs-experimental stuff16:35
rgreeningyeah, as far as I can tell, it's correct apachelogger16:35
apacheloggerbtw, I recently noticed that I have a debian/control praser half-way finished lying around16:35
apacheloggerI suppose I started work on that to autogenerate the dep graph... so should I get round to finish the parser we probably could make the graph updates more automatically16:36
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: are the ontologies in yet?16:36
Daskreech\o/ 4.4 beta 116:37
apacheloggerapparently not16:37
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: need a revu, I think I fixed the issues16:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, base/LICENSE.W3C is different from LICENSE.BSD16:41
JontheEchidnaThere are files that are licensed either CC-By or BSD16:42
JontheEchidnaand then there are files only licensed under the W3C bsd16:42
apacheloggerwell, your copyright file doesnt say that16:42
apacheloggerAll files are licensed with the CC-BY license, aside from those licensed under the16:42
apacheloggerW3C BSD License variant, see below.16:42
JontheEchidnaoh, forgot the CC-BY or BSD16:43
apacheloggeralso, you need to add the license text from LICENSE.BSD16:43
apacheloggersince it is different from the W3C one16:43
apacheloggershould be good otherwise16:43
apacheloggerIf archive-admin does not disagree(tm)16:44
rgreeningJontheEchidna: want to take a stab at packaging gluon?16:51
JontheEchidnaScottK: shared-desktop-ontologies is in new queue16:51
* JontheEchidna is the master of new packages16:51
JontheEchidnamight as well ;-)16:51
rgreeninggit clone git://gitorious.org/gluon/gluon.git16:51
ScottKOK.  I'll try and have a look at it in a bit.16:51
rgreeningif we get that in, then we can update kdegames and add the dep for it.16:51
rgreeningty JontheEchidna16:51
DaskreechTonio_: ping!16:52
Tonio_Daskreech: yeah !!! that's about the email ? I wanted to write this WE16:52
Tonio_is that okay for you ?16:52
* Daskreech gives JontheEchidna a gift package16:52
DaskreechTonio_: Ah ok Cool just wanted to know if you forgot it or not. Thanks16:52
DaskreechGly Moody wrote an article about the same (FOSS not KDE) recently so would be interesting to get your perspective16:53
Tonio_Daskreech: no I didn't forget :) just have about... no time :)16:54
DaskreechAh Yeah I've had negative time available before as well. Thanks for the consideration :)16:55
ScottKrgreening: We'd need gluon in and in Main before it can be a build-dep on kdegames17:01
rgreeningScottK: that would be the intention17:02
JontheEchidnait sometimes takes the security guys a while to get to MIRs that actually involve code :P17:03
JontheEchidnaI'd play it safe and not build-dep for beta117:04
JontheEchidnaSo once virtuoso-opensource itself is packaged, we'll need to make ~5MB of space on the live cd for the runtime components necessary17:11
DaskreechHow much space do we hav currently on the CD ?17:13
JontheEchidnaNot much. Some reshuffling may be required. But given that the virtuoso source tarball is 57 MB large I'm glad it's only 5 MB that we need17:14
ScottKWe can kick some language packs and get that I think.17:14
* apachelogger wants to propose replacing speedcrunch with kcalc17:15
JontheEchidnapoor langpacks :(17:15
JontheEchidnahas anybody done any profiling between our livecds and those of other distros?17:15
apacheloggerlatter is considerable smaller due to non-internal mo files17:15
apacheloggeractually former does not have mo files since it does not use gettext but the qt thingy, but you get the idea :P17:15
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: profiling in what regards?17:15
JontheEchidnahow much stuff they can fit on theirs vs. what we can fit on ours17:16
JontheEchidnawhere's the bulk of the space on ours going to, etc17:16
ScottKJontheEchidna: I have the impression that most other distros are DVD focused and expect people to get that and just pick Gnome or KDE17:16
apacheloggerthey are all going for DVD17:16
ScottKI don't think they have the idea of Live CD == Default install17:17
* apachelogger thinsk that we should go for livedvd as primary media of choice really17:17
apacheloggerremove langpacks from the livecd alltogether and recommend to use the dvd17:17
JontheEchidnaDaskreech: beat me to it :P17:18
apacheloggerthat way we can deploy more languages and dont have to squeeze so hard17:18
JontheEchidnaLive HD-DVD :P17:18
apacheloggerdefault app selection could still look like the cd17:18
apacheloggerbut with additional software available from the dvd17:18
apacheloggeri.e. a combo of the current livecd and the current dvd17:19
DaskreechSeriously though Debian should have a BluRay image17:19
* JontheEchidna chucks 10,000 floppies Daskreech's way17:19
Daskreechhaving 24 CDs is a little crazy17:19
apacheloggerits not like debian will run on super new machines :P17:19
apacheloggerand blueray devices will not work on super old machines (target audience of debian :P)17:19
DaskreechReally? I know people who get blingy new computers to setup Debian installs17:20
Daskreechgranted those are servers and mostly doing netinstalls17:20
apacheloggerwell, old kernel == old drivers == no nu hardware :P17:20
apacheloggerby nu I mean bleeding edge stuff you would find in a gamers machine for example17:21
ScottKapachelogger: I like the idea of staying focused around a CD, but someone (IIRC you) mentioned the idea of a metapackage to install everything on the DvD.  I think this would be good (and have it an installer option if installing via the DvD.17:22
apacheloggerScottK: yeah a CD certainly has its advantages17:22
apacheloggerbut there are a lot cases where a livedvd would be justified17:23
apacheloggerthink magazines...17:23
ScottKLive DVD would be a bitch to build.17:23
apacheloggerthey usually get named as one of the primary software resource for people without intarwebs access17:23
Daskreechapachelogger: I've been saying for a while that we should really define what a ideal kubuntu install looks like to our specs and provide a meta package17:23
ScottKIt takes about 3  hours to build the live FS for CDs.17:24
apacheloggerScottK: so only build them every once in a while :)17:24
Daskreechinstalls the wallpapers and such that don't fit on the CD17:24
* apachelogger really thinks that we need a instalaltion media with more langpacks and stuff we cant squeeze on the CD17:24
ScottKapachelogger: We don't really have good infrastructure for that.  So it'd take some prep work.17:24
ghostcubewhat version of kde is in staging?17:25
apacheloggeryeah, I imagine this would be a long-term project17:25
ghostcube4.4 or 4.3 ?17:25
apacheloggerghostcube: of the kde sc17:25
apacheloggerwe dont stage people :P17:25
ghostcube4.3.4 so ?17:25
ScottK4.3.4 should be for Karmic17:25
apacheloggerDaskreech: that is kubuntu-desktop17:26
ghostcubeok :) i didnt remember what i installed17:26
ghostcubethx ScottK17:26
ScottKLP has improved their U/I by hiding the release from the normal PPA display.17:26
apacheloggerDaskreech: of course that only include software and not translations and also enforces hard-constraints in terms of software diversity17:26
ghostcubenah improoved isnt the right word17:26
ghostcubeit has made it more difficult17:26
macoghostcube: meet ScottK. he's very snarky.17:27
apacheloggerDaskreech: like choqok... I suppose we dont have it on the CD because the plasma microblog widget already meets the usecase choqok addresses17:27
apacheloggerDaskreech: yet for some leet microblogger like myself the plasma widget is just too limited17:27
ghostcubewhats snarky again ?17:27
ScottKmaco: Not at all.  We know every change made in LP is an improvement.17:28
macoghostcube: kinda like sarcastic17:28
ghostcubeah ok17:28
ghostcubecant kubuntu devs say to lp the new style just sux o.O17:28
apacheloggerDaskreech: so to lift that software diversity constraint we should go for a kubuntu-dvd metapackage ... BUT for the langpack limitations we can only strive for squeezing more on the installation media, therefore we need to go for DVD in the long run17:28
apacheloggerghostcube: we can say that, they do not have to care though :P17:29
Daskreechapachelogger: ha ha Leet µbloggeer :)17:30
apacheloggerjust like we, in theory, do not have to use it17:30
DaskreechI recall your first tentative steps. you've done well17:30
ghostcubeapachelogger: ah ok i thought you work together17:30
ghostcubeDaskreech: hehe yeah hes a bit over the top with this statement17:31
apacheloggerwell, the lp devs are providing infrastructure to us17:31
apacheloggerin a way we are clients17:31
ghostcubeoh ok i thought this is other way17:31
ghostcubeyou give lp the stuff17:31
Daskreechapachelogger: But no not Kubuntu-desktop though that would be interesting. But something close that pulls in all the thigns that people expect like extra runners more widgets more wallapapers that flesh out the desktop but can't be shipped on the puny 1000 floppies that we use (and JontheEchidna just threw at me)17:31
apacheloggerghostcube: what would we give them?17:31
ghostcubeservers :)17:31
apacheloggerDaskreech: that is what a kubuntu-dvd metapackage could be17:32
Daskreechapachelogger: Hmm a DVD package that's not a bad idea17:32
apacheloggerghostcube: we are no hardware vendor :P17:33
apacheloggerwe produce a desktop and netbook OS, but that is it17:33
ghostcubei know i thought you use your own servers for the compiling17:33
ghostcubeand not the lp servers17:33
ghostcubeso lp uses your hardware to set up the system17:34
Daskreechapachelogger: should we start a listing of packages that would be installed if we had infinite space ora quad layer Bluray which ever is larer?17:34
apacheloggerghostcube: no, even though I proposed a system like that17:34
apacheloggerstill the main infrastructure would be lp itself17:35
apacheloggeralso lp is much more than a buildfarm :P17:35
apacheloggerDaskreech: the archive? :P17:35
DaskreechI think Wallpapers and widgets should be obvious17:35
Daskreechapachelogger: I'm dissapointed in you :)17:35
ghostcubehmm yeah lp is nice system i didnt say its only  a build farm thats why i thought like i did17:36
DaskreechI'd think you be a litte more discrimantory than that17:36
apacheloggersrsly, infinite space or blueray == enough space to put at least all that matches apt-get search kde and all langpacks on it17:36
apacheloggerDaskreech: what for? that would only requires time without obvious benefit17:36
apacheloggeralso technically any user might have a use for any app in the archive17:37
DaskreechScottK: ping17:38
ScottKDaskreech: Pong17:38
DaskreechScottK: what should I file the live CD not logging bug against ?17:39
Daskreechapachelogger: but it also degrades the user experience of Kubuntu17:39
ScottKDaskreech: What's the issue?17:39
DaskreechYou don't apt-get install *-* when you boot up17:39
DaskreechScottK: It doesn't auto login17:40
apacheloggerwhy not? :P17:40
ScottKDaskreech: Ah.  Ubiquity17:40
DaskreechScottK: No KDM17:40
* ScottK read not logging differently17:40
ScottKDaskreech: Did you configure it for autologin?17:40
Daskreechapachelogger: So the DVD metapackage should just depend on all of main and Universe?17:40
ScottKDaskreech: No, all of Main17:40
ScottK(KDE wise)17:41
* apachelogger finds that too many default wallpapers disturbe user experience since it forces the user into having their list filled up with stuff they potentially do not want to have17:41
DaskreechScottK: it's a live Cd :-P17:41
apacheloggerDaskreech: you cannot sqeeze all the archive on a DVD17:41
Daskreechapachelogger: good thin that there is not that many that KDE ships with17:41
apacheloggerDaskreech: there is a DVD image17:41
ScottKDaskreech: Then file it against ubiquity17:41
ghostcubedouble layer17:41
apacheloggerkubuntu-dvd would be built from the set of apps there17:41
DaskreechScottK: Thanks17:41
Daskreechapachelogger: Hmm Ok lets see how that works out17:42
DaskreechArgument being that if it got into Main it's probably valuable?17:42
apacheloggerdid I mention my knm build already?17:46
* apachelogger is not sure what to do with it17:46
ghostcuberofl http://i.imgur.com/ktaDY.jpg17:56
ghostcubeok another one maybe a top topic http://i.imgur.com/Sh9FH.png17:57
apacheloggerproof for that?18:00
ghostcubehmm nah18:01
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ghostcubei noticed a strange silence in kubuntu :D18:04
* Daskreech plays teh Wilhelm Scream18:05
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lmmhi, not a kubuntu user but I heard this was a place to find pykde people18:33
lmmrecently my pykdeuic4 has stopped working with AttributeError: 'kde_i18n_string' object has no attribute 'escape'18:34
lmmfull traceback example: http://pastebin.ca/170212918:34
tsimpsonwhat version of pykde do you have?18:40
tsimpsonpykdeuic4 works fine here with 4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa118:40
lmmtsimpson: 4.3.319:36
* lmm sees whether there's an upgrade available19:37
rgreeningJontheEchidna: heard anything further from sandsmark19:38
JontheEchidnargreening: nope19:38
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I might take a stab at it... how far did you get?19:39
JontheEchidnargreening: dunno really, I can't compile Qt in a sane amount of time so lex was testing the patches19:40
rgreeningI assume you made a patch but it failed to build ..19:40
rgreeningcan you provide me the patch?19:40
JontheEchidnargreening: http://paste.ubuntu.com/334700/19:41
rgreeningI'll have a poke. any outstanding thing I should look out for19:42
ScottKWho's looking after getting kde4libs 4.3.80 to build?19:43
ScottKJontheEchidna: ^^^ Do you know?19:43
JontheEchidnargreening: hmm... I know that the include files for the new classes probably need added to the patch, among other things19:43
JontheEchidnaLex was working on that, last I saw19:43
Lex79ScottK: I'm looking19:43
rgreeningLex79: said there was a chroot issue19:43
ScottKOK.  Great.19:44
rgreeningJontheEchidna: is the phonon src in kdelibs5 or where?19:44
Lex79kdesupport rgreening19:44
JontheEchidnargreening: kdesupport/phonon19:44
rgreeningah. k19:44
Lex796 hours :(19:45
Lex79uhm 10 seconds now19:50
Lex79I'm building virtuoso taken from debian git19:52
rgreeningJontheEchidna: the kdesupport/phonon is that from trunk or in one of the src tarballs? and if the later, which one?19:53
Lex79from trunk rgreening19:53
JontheEchidnathere's a tarball now19:53
rgreeningI'll go look...19:54
Lex79JontheEchidna: is there a new tarball for pimlibs? I don't remember if there is a new tar for pim-runtime or for pimlibs20:00
JontheEchidnaLex79: new tars for kdelibs, kdepim-runtime, kdepim and kdebindings20:02
DaskreechScottK: Should I do anything to mark the bug as Kubuntu?20:05
ScottKDaskreech: Just mention it in the bug text.20:05
DaskreechScottK: done and submitted20:08
Daskreechbug 49260520:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 492605 in ubiquity "KDM does not have autologin setup properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49260520:09
Daskreechto compile kdelibs I need soprano in version >=2.3.70. Which ppa add for karmic?20:26
Daskreechfrom dentica20:26
JontheEchidnanone yet :(20:27
JontheEchidnawill probably appear along with the KDE 4.4 beta packages20:28
ScottKJontheEchidna: No reason it can't be uploaded now.20:30
JontheEchidnathis is true20:30
ScottKI have to run out for a bit, but if apachelogger can't upload it, I can later20:31
JontheEchidnaDo we want to backport qt to kubuntu-experimental before any of this?20:31
JontheEchidnathe more I think about it, the more I think it needs to be backported first20:33
* JontheEchidna goes back to updating kdepim-runtime20:33
rgreeningJontheEchidna: doesn't that require the phonon bits before we backport?20:40
JontheEchidnathat too20:40
DaskreechQt broke Phonon?20:49
apacheloggerwhat am I supposed to upload?20:50
* apachelogger notes that JontheEchidna can upload as well :P20:52
ScottKapachelogger: Not soprano.21:11
ScottKIt isn't in the package set.21:11
ScottKI sent mail to ubuntu-devel yesterday or the day before.21:11
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Lex79JontheEchidna: I should go for a bit, please retry kdepimlibs on amd64 when kdelibs is done21:23
JontheEchidnaThere needs to be an icecc monitor plasmoid21:36
DaskreechJontheEchidna: not just a notification? :)21:38
JontheEchidnainstalling icecc-monitor installs a little icemon application that has statuses of all the nodes21:41
* JontheEchidna better stop himself before he creates another project for himself to work on :x21:50
ScottKHere's some IRC advice for free: If someone tells you, they intend to  "get the hands dirty with source code",  the recommended procedure it to redirect to get more information in a channel you aren't in.21:51
ScottKTrue story.  Just did it.21:53
JontheEchidnasry auf deutsch. == sorry about the german?21:55
JontheEchidnabug 492646, if any german speakers care to triage21:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 492646 in kdebase-workspace "Zweiter Bildschirm wird auf MacPro nicht erkannt!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49264621:56
ScottKI'd ask apachelogger to translate it, but unfortunately he speaks Austrian.22:01
ScottK(it was recently explained to me that Austrian is a different language than German in another venue).22:02
Sputyes it is.22:06
Sputbut he should be able to understand high german :)22:06
Sputanyway, the guy has kubuntu on his mac and the second screen (on the displayport) is in clone mode22:07
Sputand he can't access the dual screen configuration thingy22:07
Sputalso, he's thanking you for your great work.22:07
JontheEchidnaah, I know just the bug he's experiencing22:08
JontheEchidnabug 40361022:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 403610 in kdebase-workspace "kde 4.3 Multiple Monitors tells lies" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40361022:09
JontheEchidnaSput: Could you tell him that this bug has already been reported as 403610, and tell him that it should be fixed in KDE 4.4 please?22:10
SputI don't have an account22:10
JontheEchidnaNightrose: would it be possible for you to do so?^22:12
JontheEchidnathanks anyways Sput22:12
Sputnp :)22:12
NightroseJontheEchidna: sure22:13
JontheEchidnaNightrose: thanks22:13
ScottKSput: I'm equally aware that even German isn't always German.  I've had the pleasure of watching my wife (who speaks German) translate among Germans that couldn't understand each other.22:13
Sputyeah, well, Austrian is quite close to Bavarian22:13
Sput(anybody from each of the two would kill me for saying this)22:14
Sputit's just another German dialect :)22:14
NightroseJontheEchidna: done and marked as dupe22:19
MamarokSput: absolutely right, Bavarian is a Tyrolian dialect22:19
* JontheEchidna notes that the Amarockers are excellent bug translators22:20
* JontheEchidna retries pimlibs on amd6422:29
JontheEchidnaoh, somebody already did ;-)22:29
Lex79who is ? :)22:33
JontheEchidnaLex79: uploading kdepim-runtime in a bit here23:05
fale_the 4.4 ppa has been published?23:07
DaskreechNot as far as I know23:07
fale_Daskreech: I see, thx23:08
DaskreechIt'd probably be on the topic and I'd be asking for testers on !doktor on identi.ca23:08
JontheEchidnaWe're still a bit away from having anything usable23:09
fale_JontheEchidna: why?23:09
JontheEchidnaphonon in Qt is too old23:09
JontheEchidnaThe phonon maintainer has to write a patch23:10
fale_JontheEchidna: I know, you have to use kde-phonon23:10
* Daskreech gets a litte konfused 23:10
JontheEchidnaUsing KDE phonon not an option for distributions23:10
DaskreechI thought that the trolls were working on Phonon in the KDE repos?23:10
fale_JontheEchidna: why?23:10
DaskreechI honestly haven't looked at Phonon properly in over a year but why was there a fork?23:11
JontheEchidnaUsing KDE phonon means that pure Qt apps can't use Phonon, we don't get python Qt bindings and QtWebKit doesn't get HTML5 <video> support23:11
fale_Daskreech: in reality the trolls dropped phonon to devel qt-multimedia23:11
DaskreechSo who works on Phonon now?23:11
fale_JontheEchidna: I see23:11
DaskreechJontheEchidna: By Qt apps you men skype?23:12
JontheEchidnaDaskreech: nah, skype doesn't use phonon23:12
fale_Daskreech: the guy that origianny wrote it (he is a kde-devel, not a qt-devel)23:12
Daskreechheh Probably should23:12
DaskreechI know23:12
DaskreechQt adopted it since it was a good framework23:12
JontheEchidnathe guy who originally wrote it isn't too involved in phonon anymore23:12
DaskreechThey said they would be developing it in the KDE repo23:12
JontheEchidnasandsmark and a few other people do work in kde svn, then once in a blue moon Qt merges the work23:13
DaskreechMerges from Qt?23:13
Daskreechor to Qt ?23:13
JontheEchidnaQt merges the work done in kde svn to their repos23:13
JontheEchidnaevery once in a while23:13
DaskreechAh so it's essentially a superset of KDe then ?23:13
JontheEchidnathough Phonon really was a bit dead development-wise during KDE 4.2 -> 4.323:13
JontheEchidnasince the original author didn't have time to work on it anymore23:14
DaskreechKDE phonon.23:14
DaskreechWell Qt working on it is better than nothing23:14
JontheEchidnaQt doesn't work on it, they just merge the KDE work every once and a while23:14
DaskreechThey have Qt multimedia?23:14
JontheEchidnayeah :/23:14
* fale_ wants to see what will happens when Qt will move to Qt-Multimedia..23:15
JontheEchidnaIt's all quite a mess, and we as distros suffer23:15
fale_I can see that..23:15
JontheEchidnaAnyway, sandsmark told the kde-packager mailing list that he's working on a patch for Qt23:16
JontheEchidnaunfortunately he can only work on it in between studying for exams23:16
fale_I see23:16
JontheEchidnaand even more unfortunately kdebase-runtime won't build without the new Qt, blocking a usable release entirely23:16
JontheEchidnaer, won't build without the new phonon23:17
DaskreechSo the tarballs for beta 1 are not usable?23:18
fale_Daskreech: are usable if you sacrifice the audio on the not-kde apps that use qt23:18
fale_*that use phonon23:18
JontheEchidnathe package transition for having libphonon in Qt rather than it's own package is quite a big deal, so it's not something we can lightly do temporarily23:19
DaskreechWEll currently for me none of the apps that use Phonon even open23:20
DaskreechIt's a good thing that Skype has a dbus connection with Kopete otherwise it would be dead23:20
fale_Daskreech: I think they'll use the same approach when they will realease openly the interface23:22
DaskreechOh Yeah Skype is openeing some part of the code I think23:22
DaskreechDid they get bought out by amazon or something?23:23
fale_Daskreech: yep, the graphic interface23:23
ScottKUsing the KDE phonon would cause a circular build-depends.23:24
fale_Daskreech: I think is not (only) amazon, but I know that eBay now has only the 30% and that this decision has been made before the change in ownership23:24
ScottKKDE phonon needs kdelibs and kde4libs needs phonon.23:24
fale_ScottK: on planet appeared some days ago that using kde-phonon it compiles correctly..23:24
ScottKAnd if you are using a build environment where circular build-deps are OK, then it's fine.23:25
JontheEchidnaI thought they solved that circular dependency by moving the phonon kcm to kdebase-runtime23:25
ScottKJontheEchidna: Dunno.23:25
DaskreechSolaris probably won't like a circular build23:25
ScottKI know that's why we moved away from it.23:25
JontheEchidnaPerhaps I should do a blog about all this. (I'd have to be careful, though... not to offend anybody would be a big plus)23:28
DaskreechJontheEchidna: Naw put ads on your site and go on a rampage rant covering Phonon Gnome's Logo The Thankgivinf dinner at the white house Peanuts in ice cream and people wearing faked imitation pearls and watch the profits roll in23:31
* JontheEchidna kills some smurfs for added shock value23:31
JontheEchidnaScottK: btw, kdebase-workspace should be fine to upload now23:32
DaskreechJontheEchidna: That was a great ad23:33
JontheEchidna"Click here to save this smurf's life"23:33
ScottKOK.  Thanks.23:35
fale_JontheEchidna: any prevision for the release of the qt-patch?23:42
JontheEchidnaHere is sandsmark's exact words, which is currently all we know:23:43
JontheEchidnaI'm working on patches for KDE-Qt for the missing parts of the Qt Phonon, when23:44
JontheEchidnanot reading for my exams. :-)23:44
ScottKJontheEchidna: On the way (workspace)23:45
SputScottK: kde-phonon doesn't require kdelibs, the KCM and kde-dependent part are separated23:46
Sputat least in Gentoo, and I don't think we did any tricks23:46
ScottKSput: Thanks.  Good to know.23:46
Sputyeah, it's in kdebase-runtime23:46
fale_I see :\23:47
DarkwingDucknixternal: For these internet, office, ect ect you want a brief walkthrough of each included program with the install or, an explination on installing other popular programs?23:48
JontheEchidnafinal damage count to our CD space for adding virtuoso-opensource to the seed: Need to get 6,789kB of archives.23:51
JontheEchidna....daaamn, guess I'll never use virtuoso on this computer: http://imagebin.ca/view/Cxw7Hz2x.html23:58
JontheEchidnaI can't say that would be healthy for livecd endeavors either23:59

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