=== asac_ is now known as asac [01:55] hey guys vol_id has been dropped for karmic, correct? [02:02] RoAkSoAx: correct. See the udev changelog entry for 141-2+git4a74214. === mbarnett changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: || Launchpad down/read-only 23:00-05:00 UTC for a code update || Archive: lucid open for uploads! | MoM running (but use bzr!) | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-karmic | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs === mbarnett changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: lucid open for uploads! | MoM running (but use bzr!) | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-karmic | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs === Lutin is now known as Guest90788 [06:40] I'm rather shocked nobody seems to have packaged clang for Debian or Ubuntu yet [06:41] Yeah, I was a bit surprised, too. [06:42] There's an ITP in Debian, though. [07:30] Good morning [07:33] morning pitti [07:33] thank you for sponsoring my patch :) [07:35] you're welcome === Guest90788 is now known as Lutin [07:59] good morning === ziroday` is now known as ziroday === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [08:38] pitti: hey -- I was wondering if you planned to add "by assignee" workitems report at some point [08:39] sometimes it's difficult to get a picture of where you stand, especially if you have work items assigned from several teams [08:40] ttx: like the ones that we have since yesterday? [08:40] ttx: http://piware.de/workitems/server/lucid/report.html, "Status by work item" [08:41] pitti: not exactly [08:41] ttx: it's per team right now indeed, there's no global by-assignee report yet [08:41] (it's a little trickier to do, since there are separate DBs for each team; not really hard, though) [08:41] pitti: I was thinking about "my own burndown chart" grouping items from all projects, whatever team they belong in [08:42] i.e. "am I late ?" rather than "is this project late ?" === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [08:45] hey [08:46] did yesterday's evening upload got accepted but silently dropped? [08:46] * seb128 uploaded some packages while launchpad was supposed to be in update and those got accepted for upload but dropped apparently [08:46] I wonder if I should upload again [08:47] seb128: reuploading worked for me [08:47] my gnome-menus upload last night was silently dropped, too [08:47] grrr [08:47] I'm not sure I kept sources for all the uploads I did [08:47] screw you launchpad [08:47] and I'm not sure which ones got dropped now [08:48] seb128: check the "accepted" mails? [08:49] pitti, didn't got those [08:49] then you can safely assume that all got dropped [08:49] launchpad just dropped the uplaods silently [08:50] well I managed to pass some before shutdown [08:50] but I'm not which rebuilds I did exactly for gir now [08:51] anyway, let me think about what I did ;-) [08:51] that will teach me to work after hours [08:54] seb128, I noticed that the recent upload of gnome-shell depwaited on the Debian version of gjs, so I merged it. [08:55] LucidFox, I did that yesterday but it got dropped cf log [08:55] Weird [08:55] LucidFox, I reuploaded my version now, yours was bugged [08:55] * LucidFox nods [08:55] LucidFox, thanks anyway [08:56] Out of interest, how was it bugged? [08:56] didn't use replaces or conflict [08:56] debian uses different name [08:56] it wouldn't install because it conflict with the ubuntu gsj-dev [08:56] gjs [08:56] ...Oh. [08:56] or rather install would break on file conflict [09:03] pitti: any idea when the my apport fix will go to proposed? [09:04] micahg: soon [09:04] pitti: ok :) [09:04] it's hard to triage crashes without apport :) === jelmer_ is now known as jelmer [09:15] mc must have the weirdest build system I have seen. [09:15] Debian build system, not upstream. debian/rocks, "Colin's Build System"... [09:25] pitti, so our libx11 is too old [09:25] tjaalton: is there a newer libx11-dev available, or should we sync from Debian? [09:25] some things you synced don't build [09:25] that break gtk installability [09:25] and all desktopish builds [09:26] there are also quite some bits in NEW [09:27] (metacity, gir, etc.) [09:27] libxinerama failed to build too [09:27] which is part of the issue [09:27] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxinerama/2:1.1-1/+build/1378080 [09:28] I'm wondering if some build-depends are not tight enough [09:28] this looks more like a missing b-dep? [09:29] most syncs were requested by bryce and tjaalton, so they should have gotten the mail spam [09:29] ok, my mailbox got flooded during night [09:29] none of my uploads from this night built [09:29] I guess we just have to wait for tjaalton or bryce to be around now [09:30] I give back xinerama [09:30] thanks [09:30] we will need to sort the libx11 question though [09:31] pitti, seb128: once libxext is in the archive I'll file rebuilds [09:31] tjaalton, things depwait on a newer libx11 that the one we have too [09:31] pitti: I'm merging libx11, there's one change that apparently needs to be preserved [09:31] tjaalton, thanks [09:31] great, thanks [09:31] tjaalton: "file" -> just ping on IRC [09:32] with a list of packages to retry (no commas) [09:32] pitti: ok [09:32] tjaalton: or just use the ubuntu-dev-tools "buildd" script yourself [09:32] buildd package lucid retry [09:32] the reason for the failed builds was that we had a newer libxext than what the new x11proto-xext Breaks, so they weren't held in the queue [09:33] pitti: oh cool [09:33] $ cat /home/martin/bin/giveback [09:33] #!/bin/sh [09:33] for i in $@; do [09:33] buildd $i lucid retry [09:33] done [09:33] ^ for even lazier people :) [09:36] pitti: hehe, I'll steal that one :) [09:37] hmm, libxext was built 2h ago but still not in the archive.. === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [09:56] pitti: who is responsible for the publisher? there is certainly something wrong with it, since built packages are not being pushed to the archive [09:58] 2009-12-04 09:03:20 DEBUG Publishing custom gnome-menus, gnome-menus_2.28.0.1-0ubuntu3_sparc_translations.tar.gz to ubuntu/lucid [09:58] 2009-12-04 09:03:20 ERROR Failure processing queue_item 1460701 [09:58] -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36423030/bDF1qc8NVJ5FX6mGghGbd19C93f.txt (permission denied for relation translationgroup [09:58] ) [09:58] I'll follow up with the Soyuz people [09:58] thanks :) [10:09] tjaalton: looking happier now ... (thank bigjools) [10:10] cjwatson: great [10:12] cjwatson: hey -- I had a couple questions for you about the SC announcement (that affect how I'll do the NC announcement) [10:13] cjwatson: If we are to follow spec we should publish when eucalyptus-sc in installed and sshd is running. Currently its run at eucalyptus-sc start. [10:13] cjwatson: Any plans to upstartify openssh-server ? :) [10:15] ttx: upstartifying openssh-server is dependent on upstart being able to function reasonably in a chroot [10:16] cjwatson: so we would fix the announcements later, when that support is added ? [10:16] Keybuk: ^- is that planned for lucid? [10:17] cjwatson: Question #2: It's better if SC announces "I'm an SC for cluster FOO", so adding a dest="CLUSTERNAME" thing in the TXT record. [10:17] cjwatson: Is that destination info currently propagated by the installer in one of the /etc/eucalyptus files ? [10:17] I suppose I could hackily ship both an upstart job *and* an init script somehow ... [10:17] ttx: yes, eucalyptus-cc.conf [10:18] ttx: see eucalyptus bzr [10:18] I've already done this :) [10:18] cjwatson: ok, I thought that file didn't get installed on the SC and the NC, will check [10:18] I actually added a eucalyptus-sc.conf with the same info [10:18] cjwatson: no [10:19] Keybuk: ok, any suggestions for how to best satisfy what the server team need for euca? [10:19] I don't know what the server team need [10:19] it's encapsulated quite accurately in the last couple of dozen lines of scrollback [10:19] Keybuk: we want to write an upstart job that is started "when sshd is running" [10:19] cjwatson: why not make an upstart ssh job? [10:20] because sshd is very commonly run in chroots [10:20] and I will not break that [10:20] fair enough [10:20] so if there's a way to upstartify it without breaking chroot operation as well, that would be OK; e.g. shipping the init script as well [10:20] no idea [10:20] don't really care [10:27] cjwatson: I guess the publication upstart script could loop/test for sshd existence before publishing. [10:28] ttx: let me see if I can get openssh to DTRT somehow [10:28] cjwatson: ok :) [10:29] cjwatson: I looked at eucalyptus-sc.conf... Would eucalyptus/cluster-name also be available to the NC installer ? i.e. can I add a eucalyptus-nc.postinst to put the destination cluster-name in a eucalyptus-nc.conf file ? [10:31] cjwatson: the intended behavior being, existing cluster is detected, select NodeController install, end up with the detected cluster name in a file on the NC. [10:33] ... so that I can pick it up when announcing "I'm an NC for cluster foo" [10:34] ttx: it won't actually quite work yet for the SC anyway :) we'll need to arrange for it to be preseeded, so we can do the same thing for the NC [10:34] cjwatson: right. I'll do a placeholder announcement, sufficient to test the autoregistration, and we'll refine later [10:37] ttx: fixed it to preseed eucalyptus/cluster-name now [10:37] ttx: so you can just copy the same bit from eucalyptus-sc.{postinst,templates} [10:37] hi all only one question: [10:37] If I need to download a package from ubuntu hardy partner..where I must go? [10:37] cjwatson: cool thx [10:37] perecastanyersar: 'deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu hardy partner' in /etc/apt/sources.list [10:39] how I can download the package from apt? it's the -d option? apt don't listen to me [10:39] perecastanyersar: 'aptitude download' is the most straightforward [10:39] ah thanks i'll try [10:40] perecastanyersar: 'apt-get -d install ' will do it too but will leave the package in /var/cache/apt/archives/ rather than in the current directory [10:42] I'm trying to install the IDS from partner ubuntu sources: sudo apt-get install informix-ids-demo (for amd64) [10:42] and apt-says that need a dependency from informix-ids...that is a package that is missing in the repository [10:46] any ideas how I can install informix from partner sources? [10:49] perecastanyersar: looks like it's only available for i386. You should file a bug [10:52] pitti: buildd says "Unable to find source package 'libxinerama' in the Lucid-release pocket." and the same for every package I try [10:53] oh well, lunch -> [11:07] Keybuk,slangasek: is it just me or is /usr/share/debhelper/autoscripts/postinst-upstart-restart wrong? it starts with 'if [ -x "/etc/init.d/#JOB#" ]; then' ... [11:08] and indeed it doesn't seem to be adjusted for upstart at all [11:08] is it relying on the upstart-job stuff or something? [11:10] might be [11:10] dunno [11:24] hmm, could someone promote libicu42 and friends ? [11:24] seems webkit FTBFS on armel because of it missing in main [11:25] ogra: done [11:25] (architecture mismatch) [11:25] thanks [11:26] * ogra waits for the publisher until giving back webkit ... [11:32] tjaalton, how are things going with libx11? [11:32] seb128: I could upload it now, since libxext is in the archive [11:32] do it then! ;-) [11:32] surely :) [11:32] thanks [11:33] tjaalton: hm, weird; works for me here [11:33] pitti: can you reset the foundations db please? modulo one or two glitches (esp. the upstart server review) we're done with work items [11:34] cjwatson: just ditch the db, so that it starts back from 0? [11:34] tjaalton: hm, works here; given back [11:34] well, whatever you normally do when teams are finished preparing WIs [11:34] if you want to just restart the graph position, that's fine too [11:34] easier to delete the db; done, and regenerating now [11:37] cjwatson: done [11:37] pitti: it seems to work on my lucid laptop, but not on jaunty desktop [11:37] thanks [12:00] hmm, whats up with gstreamer ? [12:01] what do you mean? [12:01] ogra: whats wrong with it? [12:01] gstreamer and gst-plugins-bade are all dep wait [12:01] http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/ [12:01] gstreamer is not depwait [12:01] your webpage is buggy or outdated [12:01] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-base0.10/0.10.25-5 didnt build [12:02] yes [12:02] xorg breakage [12:02] tjaalton just uploaded libx11 [12:02] ah, k [12:02] that should make gtk installable again... [12:02] * ogra will just wait then [12:02] then we can retry desktop things [12:02] yep, understood [12:02] thanks 1 [12:03] ! [12:03] you're welcome [12:06] Keybuk: I think I've confused upstart somehow. 'sudo start ssh' hangs; 'initctl log-priority debug' shows "init: ssh goal changed from stop to start" in syslog but that's about it [12:07] Keybuk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/334466/ is the configuration file [12:07] bug 406397 probably [12:07] Launchpad bug 406397 in upstart "init: job stuck with expect fork/daemon when parent reaps child" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406397 [12:07] for a start [12:08] your "script" calls grep [12:08] so Upstart will follow that fork, and get the pid of grep [12:08] ah, could be. in my previous version of the job, I forgot the 'exec' [12:08] oh, even with 'expect daemon'? [12:08] why are you mucking with OOM_ADJ like that ?! [12:08] because I forgot that upstart supported it :) [12:08] :D [12:09] oom -17 [12:09] should just dtrt [12:09] is there a way to deconfuse upstart without rebooting at this point? [12:09] yeah [12:09] "oom never" actually I think you mean [12:09] no [12:09] you have to reboot at this point [12:09] ok, thanks [12:10] what is a template for packaging? Please. [12:10] i know dh-make is used to create template [12:11] i am a noob [12:11] shankhs: -> #ubuntu-motu [12:12] Keybuk: thanx [12:20] Keybuk: does bug 491162 ring a bell for you? [12:20] Launchpad bug 491162 in gdm "gdm does not start X unless remove "tty-device-added KERNEL=tty7" from upstart gdm.conf" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491162 [12:21] pitti: the bug description is wrong [12:21] there are lots of problems with the gdm start on line === kyselejsyrecek is now known as Nethe_The_First === Nethe_The_First is now known as Nethe_The_First_ === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === Nethe_The_First_ is now known as Nethe === Nethe is now known as kyselejsyrecek === Symmetri1 is now known as Symmetria === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [13:37] pitti, I'm looking at http://piware.de/workitems/community/lucid/report.html and I can't get some of the other community blueprints to show up there. For example, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-lucid-community-participation-in-coordinating-translations is there anything else needed to do to get blueprints picked up? [13:38] dpm: right, that's only "proposed" for lucid, not accepted [13:38] done now [13:38] pitti, ah, I see, thanks, I'll get jono to accept the rest. === robbiew-afk is now known as robbiew [14:03] hi all, does anyone know where I can find the source code for php5-uuid? [14:03] installing using pecl doesn't work === jamie is now known as Guest16932 === sommer_ is now known as sommer === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [14:23] pitti, report.html should have a link somewhere on the page to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto === Lutin_ is now known as Lutin [14:55] kane_, hi [15:11] seb128: do you know why the cairo/gtk/xtst -dev packages are not installable? [15:11] doko_, because of the zillion xorg lib synced yesterday didn't build it [15:12] the new libxi conflicted with other updates [15:12] and depended on the new libx11 that tjaalton uploaded some hours ago [15:12] should be sorting itself now [15:27] new libx11 is published, anyway [15:28] just getting it through dist-upgrade [15:43] pitti, gtk installability fixed now indeed [15:44] seb128, anything i need to give back on arm ? [15:44] ogra, not that I know, I'm giving back things on all archs [15:44] k, thanks ... [15:45] feel free to dump such stuff on me for armel at least if you dont find the time in the future ... [15:45] ok [15:59] pitti: so what's actually wrong with the whole floppy thing? [15:59] Keybuk: if only I knew -- I asked for ssh access on a machine with a floppy [15:59] I have a machine with a floppy drive [15:59] I haven't had a working one in 5 years [15:59] no floppy disks though ;) [16:00] but if I select Floppy from the Places menu, the little light comes on and it goes KER-CHUNK-THUNK for a second [16:00] I see the reason why it can't work in a stock karmic -- blkid is never called [16:00] but I don't see why it still doesn't work even with that extra testing rule [16:00] why does blkid need to be called? [16:01] to tell dk-disks that there's an useful fs on it, and gvfs that there's a volume available [16:02] why does it need to know that? [16:02] mount -t auto ? :p === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [16:03] if I see any floppy disks for sale, I'll pick one up and put it in the drive, then you can ssh in and play [16:03] sale? haha [16:03] lol [16:03] well, I might still have some deeply buried in my cellar [16:03] but no drive to put them into [16:03] yeah I have the drive but no disks :p [16:04] I still have a zip drive, though :) (not used in years either) [16:04] * ogra has a box behind him on the shelf ... no drive either [16:04] though i have a usb drive but it registers as /dev/sdX [16:04] * pitti -> meeting [16:04] I don't think I have _ever_ used the drive [16:05] just about any hd-lookalike will register as sdX these days [16:05] given my salary rate, it'd probably be ten times cheaper to just ship that poor guy an usb key instead of spending half a day fixing floppies :) [16:05] "there, fits 40.000 floppies" [16:06] ROFL [16:06] "Economics, with pitti" [16:07] mjr, well, its a floppy drive :) [16:07] oh *blink* [16:07] makes sense though [16:07] how would I find out where the gnome-terminal color schemes are located, like tango, rxvt, xterm, linux console, etc? I'm sure they are some xml file somewhere, but I can't find them === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch === jsalisbury___ is now known as jsalisbury === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] === kane_ is now known as kane[jib] [16:54] pitti: poor you! devicekit-* gets renamed. surely a bad transition for everyone :\ [16:54] sebner: I heard; I proposed the name :) [16:54] pitti: ahahaha!!!!!!!! [16:54] sebner: it's actually not too bad, only two or so rdepends [16:54] sebner: well, I didn't decide _that_ to rename it :) [16:54] pitti: oh fine than but for upstream projects ... [16:55] I just avoided having it called "disks" [16:55] yeah, it's a bit hairy for those; OTOH, gdu'sagvfs' API didn't change at all, which is what most apps really want to use [16:55] heh [16:56] argh, what did I write [16:56] "gdu's and gvfs'" [16:56] renamed to...? [16:57] udisks [16:58] pitti: fine thenm, and with plymouth we are on the edge again :D (kernel guys decided to be funstoppers though :P) [17:00] pitti: wow [17:00] you're quite right [17:00] we should have totally named udisks in Klingon instead! [17:01] you found a translation for it? :-) [17:01] Keybuk: then we'd be red hat [17:02] (since someone in here, i think you, was recently complaining about opaque red hat naming) [17:02] oh, gdu'sagvfs' [17:02] when did redhat step back from all the kit names ? [17:02] shouldnt it be udiskit ? [17:02] isn't that "mount my disk now or I'll slice your throat"? [17:02] ogra: David wants to get away from that [17:02] haha [17:02] DaHmeyjaj! [17:02] i guess he gets tired of all the jokes [17:03] (lit. many good arrays :p) [17:03] ogra: s/redhat/David/ [17:03] indeed [17:03] RH's preferred naming scheme of the week is "towns in MA" [17:04] as long as they dont start using animals :) [17:04] Keybuk: hm, "jaj" is "day", isn't it? [17:05] I thought -jaj was the good suffic [17:05] though google says it means "May" [17:06] * pitti looks for his muhaQwi [17:09] keybuk, pitti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBtj4WoC6XA [17:10] lol === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [17:15] cjwatson, the fix for bug 364649 was not evident in my server test install [17:15] Launchpad bug 364649 in ubiquity "Please include installation media build number in installation logs" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364649 [17:15] there's no /var/log/installer/media-info [17:15] ion: heard that before ;) [17:16] ion: he does a fun Metal version of the Klingon Anthem (Qoy qeylIs puqloD) [17:16] cjwatson, should I file a new bug or reopen that one? [17:17] mdz: please reopen it; I see the problem (it tries to copy /cdrom/.disk/info after /cdrom is unmounted) [17:19] cjwatson, so it will not have worked in 9.10 either? [17:20] correct :-/ [17:20] ubiquity should still have been fine === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif [17:21] huh [17:21] that's odd [17:21] I definitely see a /var/log/installer/media-info from u6y [17:21] in fact, I rely on it :p [17:21] "ubiquity should still have been fine" [17:21] it's d-i that's broken [17:22] ah, I was misunderstanding your use of "should" [17:22] mdz: actually, if you haven't reopened it already, the simplest fix is in cdrom-detect, if you could give me a new task there [17:22] and affirming that u6y *does* work fine :p [17:22] cjwatson, can do === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck [17:31] mdz: fixed, sorry about that [17:31] cjwatson, no worries. did the ubiquity part take? [17:31] mdz: yes, as Keybuk confirmed above [17:31] ah, missed that, [17:32] and as you said as well [17:32] * mdz curses multitasking [17:46] any idea when ubuntu will be getting a 2.6.31.{5,6} backport? [17:46] ubuntu 9.10* === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [18:05] asac: around? [18:28] is merges.ubuntu.com supposed to be regularly updated? === robbiew is now known as robbiew-afk [19:03] hi all. I think that when Xorg is running, Control+Alt+Delete should pop up the Linux task manager. That's what users migrating from Windows will expect. What do you think? [19:03] i think ctrl alt del means reboot in the *nix world [19:04] maco: I think not in Xorg [19:04] maco: also, Ctrl+Alt+Delete used to mean reboot in the Microsoft world, then MSFT changed it. You can change it too. :) [19:04] wouldnt it be confusing if in X it gave you a task list but in a shell, instead of top it rebooted you? [19:04] seems like a good way to lose your data [19:04] maco: true. I didn't think of that. [19:22] maco: is there a way to prevent mode errors like the one you described? Maybe the init maintainer could change init to listen for a different reboot key combo other than Control+Alt+Del? [19:23] dunno about that [19:23] anyone? [19:36] VAGINA! [19:38] cjwatson: thanks. :) [19:39] cjwatson: thank you [19:41] cjwatson: postinst-upstart-restart> - this is deliberate, see the 7.3.15ubuntu3 changelog entry for debhelper [19:42] slangasek: ah. thanks === RoAk is now known as RoAkSoAx === mathiaz` is now known as mathiaz === smoser_ is now known as smoser [20:57] slangasek, around? [21:03] smoser: hi [21:05] you have thoughts ... i have to make a -desktop version for uec [21:05] for where i put it, i think /srv/ec2-images/uec-desktop/{karmic,hardy,lucid}/YYYYMMDD [21:06] rather than intermingling output with the -server stuff , which is in [21:06] /srv/ec2-images/{karmic,hardy,lucid}/YYYYMMDD [21:06] does that sound right to you? [21:08] maco: here's an idea. Ctrl+Alt+Delete should not start up the task manager, since that would lead to mode errors. But it should make an xmessage pop up telling users how they *can* start the task manager. [21:09] maco: also, if it doesn't already, then Ctrl+Shift+Esc should cause the task manager to pop up. [21:12] slangasek, ^ [21:13] smoser: that seems reasonable [21:14] ok. thanks. and since i've got you here, could you read over the command at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Publishing "for-project ubuntu publish-release" ... [21:14] to make sure it is sane [21:19] maco: gtg. you can email me at jspiro at jspiro dot com [21:20] smoser: mm, will be a bit before I can get to it; heading out to lunch shortly [21:21] can we sync v3 source packages now with the new launchpad? [21:21] no problem. thanks slangasek [21:21] superm1: sadly apparently that slipped to the *next* lp release [21:22] boo :( [21:22] and i don't suppose there's any chance for an out of band update for it then [21:25] hi [21:25] if i select a diffrent device other than the primary hard rive for /boot will grub and the MBR be installed to that device? [21:28] sort of. it isn't reliable right now. I have plans to fix that for lucid [21:28] Did ubiquity (or any installer) get some fancy "I'm going to install -pae even though its not on the CD because you have 4GB of RAM" feature? [21:28] yes [21:29] cjwatson: How does one disable it? [21:29] cjwatson, is there a way to manually install it ? [21:29] Flannel: not sure you can right now short of installing without a network attached, sorry [21:30] crypt-0: sure, grub-install ... [21:30] Right, that's what I just suggested he do. [21:30] cjwatson: Please fix that! [21:30] i want it to be reliable, because i want to be able to boot my primary HD from a usb stick [21:30] Flannel: why? [21:30] I mean, what active problem is it causing? [21:30] cjwatson: Because -pae kernel panics for him [21:30] then surely to goodness that should be fixed in the -pae kernel [21:30] True, but having a system is important in the meantime. [21:30] well, I can't fix it for karmic now anyway [21:30] cjwatson, the alternate installer will me choose where to install correct? [21:31] crypt-0: in expert mode, yes; as does ubiquity, in the Advanced dialog [21:31] also, since i will be installing to encrypted device, ... [21:31] ah ok [21:31]