=== nigel_nb is now known as nigel_nb_ === nigel_nb_ is now known as nigel_nb [03:54] I know Ubuntu has remixes for KDE and XFCE, and that you guys put a lot of documentation work into those. Is Ubuntu doing anything with any of the other desktop environments? [03:54] LXDE, Rox, GNUStep, Enlightenment? [05:12] shaunm, we only handle official Ubuntu versions, so we don't document other DEs [05:12] a fair amount of stuff can be shared with some though, since applications can be used in different DEs [05:13] That untrue. [05:13] which part? [05:13] For LXDE, I think they're starting a documentation effort. [05:14] I heard awhile ago about possibly having an official derivative with LXDE, haven't heard anything recently. Haven't heard anything about documentation for it [05:14] Quite a bit of discussion at the previous UDS re: LXDE [05:15] I think there might have been a session about documentation but I can't recall for sure. [05:15] unfortunately I can't take the time to attend UDS, I haven't seen any announcements or mailing list discussions on it (at least on the lists i subscribve to) [05:15] Were they going to call it Lubuntu or Little Ubuntu or something? [05:15] shaunm, alas, there is nothing for those desktop environments yet [05:15] Rocket2DMn, Lubuntu I believe [05:16] I'd definitely support that, but to answer his questions, afaik there isn't documentation on other DEs that aren't officially supported (maybe perhaps a mention of them, but no real substance) [05:16] Ran across a /. article today about linux documentation lacking :( [05:17] * cody-somerville nods. [05:17] http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/03/1449211/Is-Linux-Documentation-Lacking [05:17] there is definitely some truth to it [05:18] some projects are better than others [05:26] I know that KDE Documentation is hurting... One of the reasons I've kicked up to help with that on the Kubuntu end along with the KDE side. [05:28] yeah, you guys are basically rewriting all of them [05:29] on the Kubuntu side we are. [05:29] i think with the ubuntu-docs, we'll hav eto give them a good once-over before string freeze, esp. since the next release is LTS [05:29] seems like we miss things that get reported too late [05:29] Yeah, that's why we are dumping all we have into Lucid [05:29] taking the bugs from Karmic and Jaunty and pushing them into Lucid fixes [05:30] we have lots of stuff open against ubuntu-docs [05:31] I think we have about 2 dozen ATM but, with the re-write we have been taking care of them. [05:31] I'm hoping to close out some old bugs for Lucid [05:31] We are shooting for around the new year [05:33] It's been fun starting fresh though [05:33] You look at a blank slate and start writing [05:34] Yeah, that is fun [05:35] It was a little daunting at first but, after a bit you realize it is actually simpler to get what you want to say across [05:35] I'm debating on doing a presentation for Documentation at Camp-KDE in January [05:39] go for it man [05:40] I think I will... Putting together the presentation will be easy... It's mostly a style and putting together what you want and XML/Docbook [05:40] Have you guys switched to Mallard yet? [05:41] no, we;re still using docbook, are you using mallard? [05:41] No, and I don't think we will [05:41] docbook is too simple [05:41] :) [05:42] I know there was an email thread talking about mallard and the gnome side of the house [05:45] Hehe, well, I'm not sure when we will switch [05:45] if we can convert to mallard easily, i would support that for Lucid since we will have to maintain the docs for quite awhile [05:50] I actually have not used Mallard... what [05:50] is the benefit of Mallard over docbook? [05:51] I don't remember exactly, but if gnome is using it, it makes sense for us to use it [05:54] Very true [05:54] Just like with KDE using Docbook so should us on the Kubuntu side [05:57] okie dokie, i'm off [05:57] see ya later DarkwingDuck [06:07] DarkwingDuck, cody-somerville: if you happen to run across anybody seriously doing LXDE documentation work, could you let me know? [06:07] whether within Ubuntu or just upstream [06:08] I'll keep me ears open [06:08] thanks [06:10] shaunm, you had mentioned a couple of days ago about a help summit in kde-docs [06:15] DarkwingDuck: yeah [06:15] that's sort of why I'm after documentation people from other teams [06:21] where will it be at? [06:35] DarkwingDuck: Chicago [06:37] ahhh, hmm... I don't know if I'll be able to make that or not... [06:37] where are you? [06:38] San Diego [06:38] it's tough choosing a city. no matter where it is, it's bad for somebody [06:38] one of the guys I'd like to have is in australia. anything on this continent sucks for him [06:39] Chicago seemed good, because it's easy to fly to. If you can get a direct flight anywhere, you can probably get it to Chicago. [06:40] Plus, I'm fairly close, so it's easier for me to plan. And nixternal and j1mc are both there. [06:41] Oh yeah. I have family in northern Indiana so, I might make a trip of it [06:41] Yeah? Where at? I'm from northwest Indiana, originally [06:42] Fort Wayne [06:42] ah, farther east then [06:42] Yeah, but, not bad [06:42] still, that's what, a three hour drive? [06:42] that's how far I am from the city, just in a different direction [06:43] Yeah, 3, 3 1/2. [06:45] all right, I'm heading to bed. I'm hoping to get a confirmation on the venue soon. When I do, I'll send out emails. [06:46] Cool, let me know === sommer_ is now known as sommer [15:57] jjesse: while updating the system docs, should 'status' attribute be 'draft' or 'writing'/'review' [15:57] waiting review [15:58] jjesse: hmmm... 'draft' or 'waiting review' is not listed on the wiki page ~/Checking [16:00] jjesse: do we need to update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Checking ? [16:01] umm don't know, been a while since i referenced that page === adiroiba1 is now known as adiroiban === kjs_ is now known as kjs [21:19] hey guys, for bug 145055 - what do you think about just linking to the document from advanced-topics ?