[03:54] <shaunm> I know Ubuntu has remixes for KDE and XFCE, and that you guys put a lot of documentation work into those.  Is Ubuntu doing anything with any of the other desktop environments?
[03:54] <shaunm> LXDE, Rox, GNUStep, Enlightenment?
[05:12] <Rocket2DMn> shaunm, we only handle official Ubuntu versions, so we don't document other DEs
[05:12] <Rocket2DMn> a fair amount of stuff can be shared with some though, since applications can be used in different DEs
[05:13] <cody-somerville> That untrue.
[05:13] <Rocket2DMn> which part?
[05:13] <cody-somerville> For LXDE, I think they're starting a documentation effort.
[05:14] <Rocket2DMn> I heard awhile ago about possibly having an official derivative with LXDE, haven't heard anything recently.  Haven't heard anything about documentation for it
[05:14] <cody-somerville> Quite a bit of discussion at the previous UDS re: LXDE
[05:15] <cody-somerville> I think there might have been a session about documentation but I can't recall for sure.
[05:15] <Rocket2DMn> unfortunately I can't take the time to attend UDS, I haven't seen any announcements or mailing list discussions on it (at least on the lists i subscribve to)
[05:15] <Rocket2DMn> Were they going to call it Lubuntu or Little Ubuntu or something?
[05:15] <cody-somerville> shaunm, alas, there is nothing for those desktop environments yet
[05:15] <cody-somerville> Rocket2DMn, Lubuntu I believe
[05:16] <Rocket2DMn> I'd definitely support that, but to answer his questions, afaik there isn't documentation on other DEs that aren't officially supported (maybe perhaps a mention of them, but no real substance)
[05:16] <Rocket2DMn> Ran across a /. article today about linux documentation lacking :(
[05:17]  * cody-somerville nods.
[05:17] <Rocket2DMn> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/03/1449211/Is-Linux-Documentation-Lacking
[05:17] <Rocket2DMn> there is definitely some truth to it
[05:18] <Rocket2DMn> some projects are better than others
[05:26] <DarkwingDuck> I know that KDE Documentation is hurting... One of the reasons I've kicked up to help with that on the Kubuntu end along with the KDE side.
[05:28] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, you guys are basically rewriting all of them
[05:29] <DarkwingDuck> on the Kubuntu side we are.
[05:29] <Rocket2DMn> i think with the ubuntu-docs, we'll hav eto give them a good once-over before string freeze, esp. since the next release is LTS
[05:29] <Rocket2DMn> seems like we miss things that get reported too late
[05:29] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, that's why we are dumping all we have into Lucid
[05:29] <DarkwingDuck> taking the bugs from Karmic and Jaunty and pushing them into Lucid fixes
[05:30] <Rocket2DMn> we have lots of stuff open against ubuntu-docs
[05:31] <DarkwingDuck> I think we have about 2 dozen ATM but, with the re-write we have been taking care of them.
[05:31] <Rocket2DMn> I'm hoping to close out some old bugs for Lucid
[05:31] <DarkwingDuck> We are shooting for around the new year
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> It's been fun starting fresh though
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> You look at a blank slate and start writing
[05:34] <Rocket2DMn> Yeah, that is fun
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> It was a little daunting at first but, after a bit you realize it is actually simpler to get what you want to say across
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> I'm debating on doing a presentation for Documentation at Camp-KDE in January
[05:39] <Rocket2DMn> go for it man
[05:40] <DarkwingDuck> I think I will... Putting together the presentation will be easy... It's mostly a style and putting together what you want and XML/Docbook
[05:40] <DarkwingDuck> Have you guys switched to Mallard yet?
[05:41] <Rocket2DMn> no, we;re still using docbook, are you using mallard?
[05:41] <DarkwingDuck> No, and I don't think we will
[05:41] <DarkwingDuck> docbook is too simple
[05:41] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[05:42] <DarkwingDuck> I know there was an email thread talking about mallard and the gnome side of the house
[05:45] <Rocket2DMn> Hehe, well, I'm not sure when we will switch
[05:45] <Rocket2DMn> if we can convert to mallard easily, i would support that for Lucid since we will have to maintain the docs for quite awhile
[05:50] <DarkwingDuck> I actually have not used Mallard... what
[05:50] <DarkwingDuck> is the benefit of Mallard over docbook?
[05:51] <Rocket2DMn> I don't remember exactly, but if gnome is using it, it makes sense for us to use it
[05:54] <DarkwingDuck> Very true
[05:54] <DarkwingDuck> Just like with KDE using Docbook so should us on the Kubuntu side
[05:57] <Rocket2DMn> okie dokie, i'm off
[05:57] <Rocket2DMn> see ya later DarkwingDuck
[06:07] <shaunm> DarkwingDuck, cody-somerville: if you happen to run across anybody seriously doing LXDE documentation work, could you let me know?
[06:07] <shaunm> whether within Ubuntu or just upstream
[06:08] <DarkwingDuck> I'll keep me ears open
[06:08] <shaunm> thanks
[06:10] <DarkwingDuck> shaunm, you had mentioned a couple of days ago about a help summit in kde-docs
[06:15] <shaunm> DarkwingDuck: yeah
[06:15] <shaunm> that's sort of why I'm after documentation people from other teams
[06:21] <DarkwingDuck> where will it be at?
[06:35] <shaunm> DarkwingDuck: Chicago
[06:37] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh, hmm... I don't know if I'll be able to make that or not...
[06:37] <shaunm> where are you?
[06:38] <DarkwingDuck> San Diego
[06:38] <shaunm> it's tough choosing a city.  no matter where it is, it's bad for somebody
[06:38] <shaunm> one of the guys I'd like to have is in australia.  anything on this continent sucks for him
[06:39] <shaunm> Chicago seemed good, because it's easy to fly to.  If you can get a direct flight anywhere, you can probably get it to Chicago.
[06:40] <shaunm> Plus, I'm fairly close, so it's easier for me to plan.  And nixternal and j1mc are both there.
[06:41] <DarkwingDuck> Oh yeah. I have family in northern Indiana so, I might make a trip of it
[06:41] <shaunm> Yeah?  Where at?  I'm from northwest Indiana, originally
[06:42] <DarkwingDuck> Fort Wayne
[06:42] <shaunm> ah, farther east then
[06:42] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, but, not bad
[06:42] <shaunm> still, that's what, a three hour drive?
[06:42] <shaunm> that's how far I am from the city, just in a different direction
[06:43] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, 3, 3 1/2.
[06:45] <shaunm> all right, I'm heading to bed.  I'm hoping to get a confirmation on the venue soon.  When I do, I'll send out emails.
[06:46] <DarkwingDuck> Cool, let me know
[15:57] <mistrynitesh> jjesse: while updating the system docs, should 'status' attribute be 'draft' or 'writing'/'review'
[15:57] <jjesse> waiting review
[15:58] <mistrynitesh> jjesse: hmmm... 'draft' or 'waiting review' is not listed on the wiki page ~/Checking
[16:00] <mistrynitesh> jjesse: do we need to update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Checking ?
[16:01] <jjesse> umm don't know, been a while since i referenced that page
[21:19] <Rocket2DMn> hey guys, for bug 145055 - what do you think about just linking to the document from advanced-topics ?