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=== pleia2 changed the topic of #ubuntu-learning to: Ubuntu Community Learning Project | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | Next Meeting: Sunday, December 6, 2009 @ 9PM EST (Monday, December 7, @ 2AM UTC) | Support in #ubuntu
=== pleia2 changed the topic of #ubuntu-learning to: Ubuntu Community Learning Project | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | Next Meeting: Sunday, December 6, 2009 @ 9PM EST (Monday, December 7, @ 2AM UTC) in #ubuntu-meeting | Support in #ubuntu
nigel_nbpleia2: just saw your mail01:42
pleia2nigel_nb: thoughts?01:43
nigel_nbmine is an intro to bzr01:43
pleia2I was hoping we could hash some of this out before our meeting on sunday so we don't bog the meeting down with it01:43
nigel_nbessentially what doctormo wrote on his blog in a asciidoc class form01:43
pleia2ok, so you talk about "log into bzr, here is how you commit changes.." etc?01:44
nigel_nbyes01:44
nigel_nbwrt to uclp01:44
pleia2great01:45
nigel_nbI've finished first draft of 5 sections (half)01:45
pleia2close to finishing that?01:45
pleia2ok :)01:45
nigel_nbsince u want it escalated, I'll drop everything and get the first draft complete today and put it up for review01:45
pleia2thanks, you rock!01:46
pleia2now I need to track down BiosElement for asciidoc ;)01:46
nigel_nb:)01:46
nigel_nbyou'll be available online?01:47
nigel_nbtoday i mean01:47
pleia2for another hour at least, I have a terrible cold that is making me sleep like 14 hours/day01:47
nigel_nbah :P, join the club01:48
nigel_nbbut I'm still kickin though01:48
pleia2:)01:48
nigel_nbI'll start off then, so I can check with you on language01:48
pleia2great, thanks01:48
nigel_nbpleia2: tircd shows you replies from people that you're not following?01:54
pleia2nigel_nb: the client doesn't control that, it's the twitter api01:54
nigel_nboh ok :)01:55
pleia2but yeah, it does01:56
nigel_nbhave to try it out later then01:56
nigel_nboh, lp is down01:56
pleia2doh01:56
BiosElementpleia2: I'm around >.>02:06
pleia2hey BiosElement :)02:06
pleia2see my email?02:06
BiosElementAye.02:06
pleia2where are we with asciidoc structure?02:07
* pleia2 itches to write stuff02:07
BiosElementAhh, that's a good question. >.>02:07
* pleia2 watches her energy meter drop significantly faster than she had anticipated02:11
pleia2stupid cold!02:12
nigel_nb_pleia2: wanna hit the bed?02:12
pleia2yeah, I think that's where I'm headed :(02:12
pleia2I'll be around all weekend though02:12
nigel_nb_anyway, lp is down02:12
nigel_nb_anything I do stays in my system02:12
nigel_nb_asked in #launchpad, it was supposed to be up at 2345 UTC, but some delay.  So, there is no guarantee when it will be up02:13
* pleia2 nods02:13
* nigel_nb_ just noticed something great :)02:14
nigel_nb_I've finished 5/9 sections so far02:14
pleia2you rock :)02:14
* nigel_nb_ blushes02:16
=== nigel_nb is now known as nigel_nb_
=== nigel_nb_ is now known as nigel_nb
nigel_nbpleia2: if u're still here, I could use some help02:30
BiosElementheh, I love how "William Chambers doesn't use Launchpad" and yet my branches are still listed :P Gotta love half working systems. >.>03:49
cprofitthey BiosElement long time no see dude...03:49
BiosElementHeya cprofitt03:49
BiosElementAye, it's been ages. ^_^03:49
cprofittyou going to have some free time in Mid-December to do some asciidoc with me?03:50
BiosElementSpeaking of AsciiDoc, I've got to figureout what's up with that. >.>03:50
pleia2doctormo!13:00
pleia2we need to talk about asciidoc soon :)13:01
doctormoHey pleia2, we do indeed13:12
doctormonigel is the obviouslly best persont o ask about writing, after myself.13:12
doctormoAnd I wanted BiosElement to get busy with the scripts for building the resulting documents13:13
doctormoBut so far, no work has been done.13:13
pleia2I spoke with bioselement last night, he said it was in your court13:13
doctormoIt is not13:13
pleia2I am not interested in scripts at this point, I want raw "how to do stuff"13:13
pleia2waiting for scripts is killing us13:14
doctormoSure13:14
pleia2*I* don't even know how this all works :)13:14
doctormoNot these, these aren't important for writing13:14
pleia2bios was concerned that we don't have asciidoc structure yet13:14
pleia2so for writing we still just use odt?13:14
doctormoThey're just build scripts, and it's with BiosElement, i'm waiting on him to get those into some order. But enough of that.13:14
pleia2ok, maybe you should touch base with him?13:15
doctormoI think Bios isn't accepting the structure that's there already. He wants to keep reinventing it.13:15
doctormoSo it seems I need to.13:15
pleia2I thought the structure was too complicated?13:15
pleia2he wanted a simpler one13:15
doctormoIt's not possible.13:15
pleia2ok - so we did decide upon a structure?13:16
doctormoAye, that would be good.13:16
pleia2if we could get that documented it'd be great, a "this stuff goes here, this file is for this...."13:16
pleia2maybe with pretty pictures :)13:16
doctormoYes, sorry for being absent, it's been busy with me visiting the UK, lots of family and such that need attention.13:17
pleia2no problem :)13:19
pleia2I just wanted to get some of this sorted before our meeting13:19
doctormo_huh my computer cut out13:45
doctormo_pleia2: if you responded I didn't get it13:45
pleia2all I said was that I wanted to try and get the asciidoc stuff on track before our meeting13:45
pleia2so we don't waste time and stall more saying "we need to do this stuff"13:45
doctormo_pleia2: The problem is that we have say 100 units of work to do, and a capacity to only do about 10 units per week, unless people can be convinced to do more work, there isn't much choice.13:46
pleia2so should we be telling people to write things in odt until we can sort out the asciidoc situation?13:48
pleia2I'd help if I could, but I don't even understand the asciidoc format13:49
doctormo_pleia2: We should be already (I thought that's what we were doing)13:50
doctormo_pleia2: But don't forget, there is as much structure in odt as there is in anything13:50
pleia2asciidoc has book directories and things that are confusing13:50
doctormo_The problems I can see is how much we'll have to rewrite because we don't have odt templates.13:50
pleia2I don't really understand how it works, or how to create things out of it13:51
doctormo_pleia2: asciidoc it's self is fairly direct, you create a text file, you run a command on it, it creates a pdf.13:51
pleia2ok, I'll have to look at it again, I thought there were more directories and files than that13:52
doctormo_pleia2: There are, but that's not ascii doc's fault, that's mine.13:53
=== doctormo_ is now known as doctormo
pleia2hmm13:55
pleia2alright, I'll take a look later http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning-board/ubuntu-learning-materials/trunk2/files/head:/maintain/commandline-basics/ is a good example?13:57
pleia2this does seem reasonable13:57
pleia2I think I was confused by earlier versions13:57
pleia2do we have a document explaining the structure yet? If this is a good example I can write one for my own benefit, show it to you and you can confirm it's correct?14:00
pleia2sorry for being such a pain :)14:03
nigel_nbdoctormo: ping14:40
nigel_nbpleia2: up yet?14:41
pleia2nigel_nb: yeah, but busy morning at work14:41
nigel_nboh14:41
pleia2if you want me to review something just give me a link and I'll get to it when I have some time :)14:41
nigel_nbjust wanted to let you know, I've pushed up to revision 1214:41
nigel_nbhere's the branch https://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/ubuntu-learning-materials/bazaar-introduction14:41
nigel_nbcan u just do a review when you get time and ping/mail me?14:42
pleia2sure14:43
pleia2do you want technical testing too?14:43
nigel_nbthanks :)14:43
nigel_nbnot really, I doubt if u can test it, since its not complete14:43
nigel_nbbut, do let me know if the format gives you trouble14:43
pleia2ok :)14:43
pleia2thanks nigel_nb14:44
nigel_nbthanks to you too pleia2 :)14:44
nigel_nbhope you're doing better today14:44
pleia2thanks, I think I am a bit14:44
nigel_nbgreat :)14:44
doctormonigel_nb: pong15:07
nigel_nbdoctormo: oh great :)15:07
nigel_nbjust wanted to tell I you I pushed to rev 1215:07
nigel_nbjust 3 more sections to go15:07
pleia2\o/15:08
doctormopleia2: Reviewing nigel_nb's branch will also give you a good example15:08
pleia2doctormo: ok, great15:08
pleia2thanks :)15:08
ZachK_hey pleia215:08
pleia2I'll try to have this done by our meeting time on sunday15:08
pleia2hey ZachK_ :)15:08
nigel_nbdoctormo: doing okay?15:08
ZachK_pleia2: any assistance give I can?15:09
pleia2ZachK_: same as before, you can link up to good existing documentation in the wiki15:09
ZachK_cool15:09
doctormonigel_nb: One second15:12
nigel_nbokay15:12
doctormonigel_nb: It looks great, I like the ssh key description15:14
nigel_nbdoctormo: talsemgeest helped me with that one15:15
nigel_nbtook a lot of trouble formatting it properly15:15
doctormonigel_nb: I see, double cudos for getting help when required.15:22
nigel_nbwell, lyz (I dont wanna ping her) went to bed coz she was sick, so had to find someone :P15:23
nigel_nbdoctormo: I'm off to work then, catch you on meeting day15:34
nigel_nbor 2morrow15:34
FFEMTcJmornin15:57
doctormohey FFEMTcJ16:10
FFEMTcJwhats up doc?16:11
FFEMTcJnot that you have EVER heard that before16:11
doctormoFFEMTcJ: No never ;-)16:11
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: he probably hasn't seen bugs bunny :P16:12
nigel_nbdoctormo: have you?16:12
FFEMTcJhehe16:12
doctormonigel_nb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUYZYJ7XueI16:13
nigel_nbreminds me of the good old days16:14
nigel_nbwhen i was 6 and all I did was cartoon network16:14
nigel_nbaw, the music itself its nostalgic16:14
doctormoOh Mur-dur!16:15
FFEMTcJ2916:26
FFEMTcJuggh16:26
FFEMTcJ2916:26
FFEMTcJwtf16:26
* pleia2 offers FFEMTcJ a handful of /s, and the swear jar16:26
FFEMTcJty16:27
FFEMTcJafter 3 years, still not used to the lappy keyboard16:27
FFEMTcJlol16:27
ZachK_wb ubuntulog17:07
doctormohey BiosElement, we should talk21:20
BiosElementHey doctormo, what's up?21:20
mhall119|worksounds serious21:22
doctormohey mhall119|worknot really, just clarifying what structures are being promoted and taught.'21:24
mhall119|workokay21:25
mhall119|workcause that's how you start the "grandma died" conversation21:25
doctormomhall119|work: we should talk21:27
doctormomhall119|work: didyou know that peanuts are really beans?21:27
mhall119|workthey're legumes21:29
doctormoSame thing21:30
mhall119|worklegumes are the parent class of both beans and peanuts, according to wikipedia21:30
mhall119|workand wikipedia is never wrong21:31
mhall119|workat least, that's what I read on wikipedia21:31
* mhall119|work just had the best idea for spam chain email21:31
mhall119|workI'm going to start an email rumor that going to snopes.com will infect your computer with a virus.21:32
mhall119|workwho are you going to use to check if that's true or rumor?21:32
_marx_beautiful21:32

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