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pittihey slangasek16:02
slangasekso as I mentioned in the email w/ the agenda, this meeting should be fairly focused on 1) specs that need to be discussed with the team as a whole for any reason, and 2) making sure we're on track for alpha-1, which is sneaking up on us next week16:03
slangasek[TOPIC] QA Team16:03
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marjo* Reminder: If you change the name or URL of your daily builds and you don't16:04
marjofile a bug against the ubuntu-qa-website to fix the ISO tracker, your build16:04
marjowon't appear properly in the ISO tracker.16:04
marjo* Hardware testing16:04
marjohttp://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html16:04
marjoNetbooks:16:04
marjo    passed:   8 (62%)failed:   1 ( 7%)untested: 4 (31%)16:04
marjoLaptops:16:04
marjo    passed:   21 (78%)failed:   2  ( 7%)untested: 4  (15%)16:04
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marjoServers:16:04
marjo    passed:   22 (42%)failed:   0  ( 0%)untested: 31 (58%)16:04
marjoDesktops:16:04
marjo    passed:   12 (100%)failed:   0  (  0%)untested: 0  (  0%)16:04
marjoFailures under investigation.16:04
mdzwow, lots of testing has happened since the last report I saw, that's great16:05
mdzI guess we got better ISOs16:05
marjomdz: yes, last minute results from fader16:05
marjofader: thx16:05
fader_mdz: Yes, a lot more is testable now :)16:05
slangasekmarjo: have there been changes to daily build urls this cycle?  only the CD image team has access to change these...16:06
mdzit's also fantastic to see test results flowing so early in the cycle, well done16:06
marjomdz: thx16:06
marjoslangasek: we just want to make sure that the iso tracker has the right info in prep for next week16:07
marjotesting16:07
* slangasek nods16:07
cjwatsonfrom the testing, there seems to be a slight problem with the bug-filing methodology16:07
mdzare there any updates to the release manifest for lucid vs. karmic?16:07
cjwatsonthe only bug filed is bug 491999, which is filed against an upstream product in such a way that no Ubuntu developer is subscribed16:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 491999 in xserver-xorg-driver-vesa "Lucid started in low-graphics mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49199916:08
mdz(has a release manifest been created?)16:08
cjwatsonI'll give it an appropriate Ubuntu task, but you might want to watch out for this in future16:08
slangasekmdz: has not been created yet; I can make sure that gets done today.  We have at least one manifest change this cycle, unr -> une, but I'm not sure where we are in that process currently16:09
slangasek[ACTION] slangasek to create lucid release manifest16:09
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fader_cjwatson: Sorry, I missed the product it was filed against; I'll try to look out for that going forward16:09
* cjwatson wonders if he offended moustafa somehow ...16:09
slangasek[ACTION] slangasek to check whether unr->une rename is ready to happen for alpha-116:10
MootBotACTION received:  slangasek to check whether unr->une rename is ready to happen for alpha-116:10
cjwatsonfader_: that's ok, just wanted to point it out16:10
fader_cjwatson: Thanks!16:10
mdzfader_, if you always use ubuntu-bug to file the bugs (which is best practice anyway), it avoids this problem16:10
slangasek[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-12-0416:10
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slangasek(oops, shoulda had that at the beginning of the meeting)16:11
fader_mdz: Unfortunately the firewall in the lab does not currently allow this; I'll see if I can get that changed16:11
slangasekmarjo: is #16:11
slangasekmarjo: is lucid-qa-checkbox-desktop-experience-tests something we should still expect to land for alpha-1?16:11
marjo* UbuntuSpec:lucid-qa-checkbox-desktop-experience-tests16:11
marjohttps://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lucid-qa-checkbox-desktop-experience-tests16:11
marjoStatus: cr3 is working on integrating the dx team ppa and lifeless is16:11
marjoprogressing with the reporting piece16:11
marjoslangasek: yes16:12
slangasekok; that will be in by Tuesday, so it's not going on during ISO prep?16:12
marjoslangasek: pls explain16:13
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mdzmarjo, he asked if it was landing for alpha 1; to do that it needs to be in by Tuesday16:13
mdzit sounds like it's probably not ready16:13
marjoAFAIK, it's independent of ISO prep16:14
slangasekmarjo: there's a milestone freeze in place from Tuesday until the milestone release.  checkbox is on the ISOs, so any checkbox uploads related to this should be happening before Tuesday16:14
cr3if this refers to the blueprints scheduled for alpha-1, they only affect internal packages which don't need to be pushed to main16:15
slangasekok16:15
slangasekmarjo: anything else on QA?16:15
cr3slangasek: thanks for the heads up though, much appreciated!16:15
marjo* UbuntuSpec:lucid-qa-checkbox-integrate-regression-testing16:15
marjohttps://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lucid-qa-checkbox-integrate-regression-testing16:15
marjoGood progress16:15
marjo* Write script to branch qa-regression-testing: DONE16:15
marjo* Write script to parse QRT strings from regression suite: DONE16:15
marjo* Write script to output checkbox test definitions: DONE16:15
marjo* Add support for running suite scripts as root: DONE16:16
marjo* Write script so that it can modify the sudoers file to run regression tests with sudo: DONE16:16
marjonice progress, so i thot i'd share it16:16
marjothat's it for QA team16:16
slangasekok, thanks16:16
cr3maybe I could push some of those changes to main for completeness purposes, but the dx testing will not depend on it though16:16
slangasek[TOPIC] Desktop Team16:16
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slangasekpitti: hi16:16
pittiThis week we got spec drafting and review and work item creation to some 95%. Our release status page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus) has an overview about the changes we plan for lucid, as well as the16:17
pittiusual bug status16:17
pittiWe did a lot of investigation and discussion around desktop startup speed and landed the first set of fixes.16:17
slangasek[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus16:17
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pittiWe also prepared the X.org halsectomy, hoping that we can drop hal from the default installation in alpha-1. This should give us maximum testing for the udevification, as well as decrease boot time.16:17
pittiOne release radar bug which is in jeopardy for alpha-1 is bug 491162, but it doesn't affect a lot of people, so I don't consider it an alpha-1 breaker (moved to a2)16:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 491162 in gdm "gdm does not start X unless remove "tty-device-added KERNEL=tty7" from upstart gdm.conf" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49116216:17
pittialso of note is bug 491136 which breaks jockey completely (but no other pk consumers for some reason)16:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 491136 in policykit-1 "jockey-text does not run" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49113616:18
pittibut I hope to get that nailed today or Monday16:18
* slangasek nods16:18
slangaseklooks good16:19
* pitti adds the jockey bug to the page, sorry16:19
slangasekpitti: btw, have you seen my comments regarding seed pulling in 50MB of -dev packages (and making gnome-games uninstallable)?16:20
pittislangasek: uh, still? shouldn't happen for the CD any more16:20
slangasekI followed up on the MIR bug, haven't noticed any further activity in getting that resolved16:20
pittiI saw it for the dvd16:20
slangasekoh, how was it fixed?16:20
pittithose games were unseeded16:20
pittiwe don't want them in the default install anyway16:20
slangasekok16:20
slangasekagreed :)16:20
pittiI'll double-check16:20
pittistill needs resolution for the DVD, of course16:21
pittiseed was fixed today16:21
pitti(as in the package "seed", for the clutter stuff)16:21
slangasekok, so I'm just behind a day16:21
slangasekanything else for desktop?16:21
pitti-dev dependencies still need to be addressed; there was something weird about them shipping gir data, which should probably move to the lib themselves16:21
ograisnt "seed" also used by some webkit stuff ?16:21
pittinot from me; any qeustions?16:21
pittiogra: correct, like epiphany16:22
slangasekogra: not anything that we have in main, though16:22
pittiit's JS bindings for webkit16:22
ograubiquity-slideshow ?16:22
pittithat's in main, and seed wasn't in karmic16:22
ograk16:22
slangasek(I still think the lot of seed should be kept out of main as long as possible, and that games written natively in JS can stay far away from the supported set, but.)16:23
ograi just thought i saw some deps there during armel researches16:23
slangasek[TOPIC] DX16:23
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pittislangasek: WFM16:23
slangasekanyone from DX team here?16:23
slangasek[TOPIC] Mobile16:24
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asachi16:24
slangasekasac: hi16:24
asachttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid16:24
slangasek[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid16:24
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asacso on specs we have work items everywhere16:24
asacand almost all are finished drafting/approval16:24
ogramasses :)16:24
asachehe16:24
asacanother topic brought up is: imx51 buildlivefs commands in the crontab on antimony arent respected (ogra)16:24
ograright, i dont know why and would appreciate help of someone from ubuntu-cdimage here16:25
cjwatsonremind me after the meeting and I'll help16:25
ograas you know we separated the armel buildlive calls in the crontab entries in karmic16:25
ograthanks16:25
asacaction required?16:26
slangasek[ACTION] ogra and cjwatson to debug imx51 buildlivefs problem on antimony16:26
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ogra++16:26
asacReminder: armel/thumb2 build failure procedure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2#How%20to%20deal%20with%20build%20failures16:26
asacwe will triage them and go through build failures on our own, but if you see stuff break after upload it would be great to use that tagging/subscription model16:27
slangasekasac: I note that the RC bugs list on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid includes bugs that aren't targeted to lucid at all; please make sure that any bugs your team considers RC are targeted to release for tracking16:27
asacslangasek: ack.16:27
asacwill ensure that in future16:27
asacon bug front:16:27
asac319240: linux-fsl-imx51: kexec broken on imx5116:28
ograhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2 helps if you want to fix your packages yourself16:28
asacthis is currently being worked on16:28
asacit doesnt have an impact on alpha-116:28
slangasekogra: is that something that warrants a brief announcement on ubuntu-devel or u-d-a?16:28
asac456659: linux-fsl-imx51: suspend/resume failure on imx5116:28
asacsame here16:28
ograslangasek, yeah16:28
asacslangasek: it was announced to mobile. we should forward it16:28
slangasekwho can take an action for that?16:28
asacme16:29
slangasek[ACTION] asac to announce https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2 to the broader developer community16:29
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asacthx16:29
asaci think thats it for this week16:29
asacogra: ?16:29
cjwatsonqt4-x11 fails to build on armel. ScottK brought this up in the foundations meeting as it blocks further work on KDE on armel. I took an action there to do some basic checking, and verified that -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb makes no difference (which was one theory)16:30
ograyup16:30
cjwatsoncan I make this the mobile team's problem at this point?16:30
cjwatsonit's reproducible on jocote16:30
asaccjwatson: is there a bug opened? we have it on our lists to address for sure.16:30
cjwatsonI didn't see a bug16:30
ScottKThere was one.  Let me find it.16:31
cjwatsonI started trying to get a stripped-down test case for a gcc bug, but ran out of time16:31
cjwatson(the preprocessed source started out at 20000 lines or so)16:31
slangasek[ACTION] ScottK to target qt4-x11/armel FTBFS bug16:31
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ograNCommander usually cares for qt ... i was hoping it could wait until he's back from vacation ... if thats not the case i guess someone else in mobile has to take it16:31
cjwatsonsomebody said ncommander had already thrown up his hands in horror. :)16:32
cjwatson(iirc)16:32
ograheh16:32
slangasek-16:32
slangasekbecause it was an ICE, yes16:32
asacits not blocking our images afaik. so i think it snot blocking alpha-116:32
ograright16:32
ograbut the KDE community16:32
cjwatsonyou can construct a stripped-down compiler test case without significant gcc experience16:32
slangasekso is there an action there for the mobile team this week?16:32
asaci think not for this week. scott ensures its targetted16:33
asacwe will triage it etc.16:33
slangasekok16:33
slangasekanything else on mobile?16:33
asacno16:34
slangasek[TOPIC] Server Team16:34
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slangasekttx: hi16:34
slangasekasac, ogra: thanks16:34
ttxslangasek: yo16:34
ttxOK, so our very empty release status report is up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus16:34
ttxWe mostly concentrated on meeting FeatureDefinitionFreeze deadline16:35
ttxand sorting out which specs should be alpha2 milestoned16:35
slangasek[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus16:35
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ttxSpecs targeted to alpha2 are now all approved, I think... jib ?16:35
kane_ttx: correct16:35
ttxjib and kane are the same person.16:35
slangasekoh :)16:36
ttxThe server daily started to be produced this morning16:36
kane_work items all in place, and everything looks managable. Some external deps on IS/eucalyptus for UEC automated testing.16:36
ograschizophrenia !16:36
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mdzwhen does the test tracker get updated?16:36
slangasektest tracker as in iso.qa.u.c?16:36
ttxwhen an alpha1 candidate is nominated, I suppose16:36
slangasekyes16:36
ttxslangasek: planned for Tuesday ?16:37
mdz(welcome kane[jib], this is his first release meeting)16:37
mdzslangasek, yes16:37
slangasekttx: correct16:37
ttxNot so much testing so far, nothing nominated or reported against lucid dailies16:37
hfhgfgne diyorsun16:37
mdzttx, has anyone tried the dailies yet?16:37
mdz(I've got one in progress right now, but about all I can say is that it is able to start installing the base system)16:38
ttxmdz: I didn't. I thought they would start to be generated next week16:38
ttxand just discovered they were already up16:38
cjwatsonI have16:38
ttxColin to the rescue :)16:38
cjwatsonalthough I was testing with a modified eucalyptus16:38
cjwatsoninitial smoke-test was fine apart from a glitch in kernel installation (bootloader installed too early), which I think I've fixed now16:39
mdzcjwatson, for lucid+1, the server team will need to learn the art of crafting ISOs with a modified eucalyptus16:39
cjwatson*I* don't bother crafting ISOs with a modified eucalyptus16:39
cjwatsonI inject it on the fly :)16:40
ttxcjwatson: I could use that art for lucid+016:40
mdzcjwatson, whatever you do, they need to know how to do it also ;-)16:40
cjwatsonbut I'm only working on eucalyptus-udeb, which is a lot easier16:40
mdzthe server installer prompts for a linux command line when installing grub16:40
cjwatsonmdz: yes, that's what I fixed16:40
cjwatsonTBH, just pointing you guys at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization is probably all you need16:40
mdzah, lovely16:41
cjwatsonit will be more than you need but it's probably not efficient for me to reiterate the necessary bits16:41
ttxcool16:41
mdzI'd like to script the lot of it sometime16:41
cjwatsonI've been meaning to do that since warty16:41
mdzdwim.sh lucid-server-i386.iso eucalyptus_blar.changes16:42
cjwatson(which means, realistically, that I'm never going to get round to it ...)16:42
mdzI started on it once upon a time but never finished16:42
cjwatsonI think it's easier now that we (I think) don't worry about the Release.gpg signature on CDs16:43
ttxmdz: would that task fit your new position ? :)16:43
cjwatsonit's in the image but I think you can just delete it and it will work16:43
mdzttx, only in that I might have free time once in a while ;-)16:43
cjwatsonused to be you had to sneak in a new key as well16:43
* mdz stops wandering on this tangent16:43
mdzcjwatson, so apart from the kernel bit, the server daily didn't emit any smoke?16:44
slangasekanything else on server?16:44
ttxso obviously we'll do wider testing early next week, and formalize it as soon as we have a candidate on the test tracker16:44
* slangasek nods16:44
cjwatsonmdz: no, not that I tested it very hard16:44
ttxI need to validate that eucalyptus is not too broken from 1.6.1 + java libraries upgrades16:45
ttxsladen: nothing from my side16:46
cjwatsonI got past the first reboot then threw away the vm16:46
mdzyes, iirc it wasn't tested substantially prior to upload16:46
mdz(euca 1.6.1)16:46
slangasekttx: do we expect eucalyptus to be working for alpha-1, or is it a target of opportunity?16:46
mdzslangasek, it is expected to work16:46
ttxslangasek: if we are lucky, it might16:46
slangasek("target of opportunity" would seem to be consistent with our normal alpha milestone handling)16:46
ttxslangasek: if it doesn't work, then it's a bug.16:47
slangasekcertainly16:47
mdzit may be at 1.6.1 (current stable) if the latest snapshot isn't working yet16:47
slangasekI'm asking whether I should expect people to be in panic mode next week if it doesn't :)16:47
mdzthat's the version which was uploaded this week16:47
mdz(FWIW my server install completed and boots)16:47
mdzupdate-motd seems to be busted16:48
mdznothing more from me16:48
slangasek[TOPIC] Kernel Team16:48
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slangasekmdz, ttx, kane[jib]: thanks16:48
slangasekapw: hi16:48
apw..16:48
apwOverall Kernel Team status is summarised at the URL below, including the items called out in the agenda.  AppArmor is currently not ready for Alpha-1, I am hoping to get updated bit before monday and get it uploaded.16:49
apw[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid16:49
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apwBlueprints: the majority of our blueprints are now approved and in most cases started.  Four are still waiting on approval, but we expect to have those complete shortly.   The first is basically complete, just waiting on actual approval.  The second needs buy-in from other teams.  The last two are investigative efforts and not likely to be producing any release items.16:49
apw[LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms16:49
apw[LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-new-kernel-on-lts16:49
apw[LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-suspend-resume16:49
apw[LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-devicetree-quirks16:49
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms16:49
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-new-kernel-on-lts16:49
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apwThe mainline 2.6.32 kernel has just released and we have just uploaded the Ubuntu kernel, so we should have that for Alpha-1.16:49
apw..16:49
slangasekapw: who are you awaiting buy-in from on kernel-lucid-new-kernel-on-lts ?16:52
apwpgraner, there was tie in with other teams ... who was that16:53
apwslangasek, i don't think there are any release dependancies right nwo for it16:53
apwthis cycle is policy only, and 'not doing things to break it', we won't have them till next cycle16:53
slangasekfair enough16:53
apwi'll add a section to the release status for these four and put something more formal down about them16:54
pgranerslangasek: tie ins are with support, release mgt etc...16:54
slangasek355232, "unlikely to make alpha-1" - change the milestone then, if it shouldn't be a blocker?  (I guess it's importance: low anyway, hadn't caught that when preparing the agenda)16:54
apwyep, if its not going to hit, i'll push it out, should know in a few hours16:55
slangasekok16:55
slangasekanything else for kernel?16:55
apwnothing from me16:55
slangasek[TOPIC] Security Team16:55
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slangasekapw, pgraner: thanks16:56
pgranerslangasek: np16:56
jdstrandhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus16:56
jdstrandnot that much to report16:56
jdstrandwe've started a few things, and don't have any blockers16:56
slangasek[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus16:56
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pittidistro-wise security threat level: GREEN16:56
pitti?16:56
jdstrandnot from me16:57
slangasek[TOPIC] Foundations Team16:57
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slangasekjdstrand: thanks16:58
cjwatsonSo far we've mostly concentrated on getting blueprints finished, and to my knowledge we now have a more or less complete set of work items:16:58
slangasekcjwatson: hello16:58
jdstrandsure :)16:58
cjwatson[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid16:58
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cjwatsonThe next thing to do here is to address the pile of unassigned work items (the bulk of these are just down to inadequate bookkeeping) and do some balancing across the team.16:58
cjwatsonFor Alpha 1 we hope to have:16:58
cjwatson * working installers across the board (we've had more time than usual to prepare this time round, and it's looking reasonable)16:58
cjwatson * a decent start on the boot experience work (foundations-lucid-boot-experience; some ordering issues with the splash screen, but we have a plausible design)16:58
cjwatson * as much as possible of foundations-lucid-uec-installer-enhancement, which the server team will otherwise be blocked on16:58
cjwatsonWe've also been making some progress on the underpinnings of forthcoming software-center work.16:58
cjwatsonI haven't caught up on bugs at all yet. If there's anything milestone-urgent, please shout ...16:58
cjwatson(thanks to apw for wiki-status scripting)16:58
cjwatsonoh, and by my comment on bugs I mean that most of the alpha-1 bugs at this point seem to be opportunistic milestoning by developers, so I'm not worrying about them too much16:59
slangasekthere are a number of targeted bugs for foundations, but I suspect they need some gardening; nothing that looks to me like it would block the milestone prep16:59
cjwatsonright, bug gardening has been low on my list so far17:00
slangasek462169> probably gets re-milestoned, I can make the intended change for lucid but the SRU validation failed so I apparently still don't understand the real issue17:01
slangasekanything else on foundations, then?17:01
slangasek(houses, shops...)17:02
cjwatsonI had a question for DX but they don't seem to be here17:02
cjwatsonso nothing else from me at least17:02
* slangasek nods17:02
slangasek[TOPIC] MOTU17:02
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ScottKThe bug for the qt4-x11 related ICE on armel is Bug 49039117:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 490391 in gcc-4.4 "GCC internal error (unrecognizable insn ...) building qt4-x11 for Thumb-2 on armel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49039117:02
ScottKI was on a work telcon during desktop, so I also have a little Kubuntu news to report17:02
ScottKFor Kubuntu KDE SC 4.4 beta 1 was released today.17:03
cjwatsonah, good, Dave Martin is way ahead of the request I made earlier17:03
ScottKWe are currently blocked on a needed patch for qt4-x11 (unrelated to armel).17:03
ScottKThe patch is being developed, but the developer is unfortunately priorizing exams over FOSS development17:03
ScottKSo it may be a bit before we have it.17:04
ScottKI still expect to have the beta in for alpha 1, but it's getting a bit sporting.17:04
ScottKFor MOTU our only significant item right now is the spec to remove unbuildable binaries.17:04
ScottKWe have the rebuild results on ubuntuwire.com now and we just need to work through them to get a list of what to kill.17:05
ScottKThat's all I have17:05
slangasekunbuildable binaries> ah, great!17:06
slangasekanything else for MOTU?17:06
ScottKNot unless there are questions.17:06
slangasek(... what does that agenda item need to change to under archive reorg?)17:07
ScottKcjwatson and I have some archive reorg stuff to do, but it doesn't affect the release17:07
ScottKLet me look17:07
slangasekScottK: I just meant, if we're not going to have "MOTU" anymore, what do I put in the agenda :)17:07
cjwatsonslangasek: "MOTU", as agreed at UDS17:07
slangasekoh, ok17:07
cjwatson(or "Community development" if we really want I suppose but it's a bit wordy)17:08
ScottKThe work cjwatson and I have to do is to document this.17:08
slangasek[TOPIC] AOB17:08
MootBotNew Topic:  AOB17:08
slangasekanything else we need to get out before alpha-1?17:08
cjwatsondoes anyone know how well-gardened the DX specs are?17:08
ograworking images :)17:08
cjwatsonI was a bit confused by some items in the dx-lucid-xsplash spec, and their timings17:08
ScottKI know work is ongoing on at least some of them.17:08
slangasekno idea here17:09
slangasekrobbiew: ^^ ?17:09
pittiI still seem them being written, but I didn't really follow up on them yet, sorry17:09
ScottKThere was a binary incompatible kdelibs change needed for one of them and it hit KDE svn today17:09
pitti"seen"17:09
cjwatsonspecifically the requirement for a MIR of xsplash, which is already in main; and a MIR of plymouth *after* it's supposed to go into the default install17:09
robbiewslangasek: dbarth is your best bet on that stuff17:09
robbiewI know the specs are being attended to17:09
cjwatsonand the fact that it's milestoned for well after a foundations spec that depends on it17:09
slangasekheh17:10
slangasekis there an action there, then?  Someone to follow up with dbarth about these timeline mismatches?17:10
pittiwill ask him17:11
cjwatsonthanks17:11
slangasek[ACTION] pitti to check with dbarth about spec delivery timeline mismatches17:11
MootBotACTION received:  pitti to check with dbarth about spec delivery timeline mismatches17:11
slangasekpitti: thank you17:11
slangasekanything else?17:11
slangasek#endmeeting17:11
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:11.17:11
slangasekthanks, all17:11
ograthanks slangasek17:12
pittithanks all17:12
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