[16:43] <rbelem> hi asac 
[16:43] <asac> hi rbelem ;)
[16:43] <asac> first
[16:43] <asac> ;)
[16:43] <rbelem> :-)
[16:43] <asac> whats up?
[16:44] <rbelem> asac, well i thinking in change the roadmap of ubuntu liquid
[16:44] <asac> rbelem: sure. also if you want that spec to be changed/approved etc in any way
[16:45] <asac> let me know
[16:45] <rbelem> asac, ian and me talked about use plasma-mobile instead of hildon
[16:45] <asac> thats moving towards qt?
[16:45] <rbelem> asac, yep...
[16:45] <asac> like what maemo does?
[16:46] <asac> how much work would that be?
[16:46] <rbelem> asac, maemo is moving for qt too in the next release
[16:46] <asac> rbelem: right. thats why i wonder if that would mean packaging the latest stuff they are currently doing
[16:46] <rbelem> asac, maybe we need to work more with plasma mobile code
[16:46] <asac> rather than updating the old hildon stuff
[16:47] <rbelem> asac, yep
[16:47] <asac> rbelem: can you already estimate how many packages that would be?
[16:47] <rbelem> asac, currently plasma-mobile is not packaged 
[16:47] <rbelem> asac, maybe just plasma-mobile plasma-mobile-defaults
[16:48] <rbelem> asac, and a different meta package 
[16:48] <asac> where would all the other packages come from?
[16:48] <asac> e.g. i would expect new maemo does quite some work on "new" packages
[16:48] <asac> or dont you plan to get those in?
[16:49] <rbelem> asac, well i can work to get these packages in
[16:50] <asac> rbelem: would you mind writing up on some packages what getting a plasma-mobile etc. in a working state for lucid would involve?
[16:50] <asac> e.g. maybe two variants: a) the small pitch: only essential bits get done ... and b) the full pitch: adds a bunch of goodies from the maemo effort?
[16:51] <rbelem> asac, yes i will work to get plasma-mobile in a good state, because right now it is very initial
[16:52] <asac> rbelem: what i mean: if we have a good wiki page we can better understand how much work is involved and if there is need to ask for help somewhere etc.
[16:52] <asac> at least we could blog about it etc. and maybe attract someone willing to help etc.
[16:52] <rbelem> asac, ah cool!
[16:52] <asac> thats why i wondered if you could put up a spec that documents the plan for plasma-mobile
[16:52] <rbelem> asac, i will update the liquid wiki with that
[16:53] <asac> including: what packages would be involved and what needs to be newly packaged etc.
[16:53] <asac> great
[16:53] <asac> rbelem: if you have something ping me. i will review and see if we can make a community spec or something out of it to get this a real place on our "mobile" roadmap
[16:53] <rbelem> asac, currently i'm writing the seeds to generate a proof of concept iso
[16:54] <rbelem> asac, cool
[16:54] <asac> rbelem: right. include all that in the document too etc.
[16:54] <rbelem> thanks asac 
[16:54] <rbelem> :-)
[16:54] <asac> welcome.
[19:47] <rbelem> hi asac, i made some changes to the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuLiquid
[19:48] <rbelem> asac, what do you think? I missed something? Is there anything you want to add?