=== abentley1 is now known as abentley [02:14] good evening EST [02:16] if i want to run bzr on multiple of my own machines, can i run whoami with the same name and email address on each machine? [02:20] Yes you can, and moreover, you should. (Unless you actually wish to present multiple identities to the world) [02:22] maxb: cool, thanks. i did not know if they would mess up anything when i work on one machine, and then i synch up with another one of my machines. [02:52] is peer-to-peer a bad idea if you are doing it with more than one person? [02:52] partner-workflow? [03:31] i followed the recipes on the bzr documentation page. i set up the "bzr init-repo bzrrepo" on both machines, then bzr-init for my project dir. when i try to get the branch, i am getting the "ERROR: not a branch" error. [03:34] neoTheCat: "get"? Like, remotely? You know bzr+ssh:// and sftp:// paths are relative to the root, right? [03:36] Peng: thanks. i assumed because using the sftp command by itself brought me to the users home dir, that bzr, using the same protocol would do the same. [03:36] which is why i should RTF much closer... :) [03:36] s/RTF/RTFM/ [03:37] neoTheCat: You can use bzr+ssh://user@bzr.example.com/~/some_path_relative_to_the_home_dir [03:37] neoTheCat: (same on sftp) [03:41] thank you [07:17] morning [07:18] i see there is only bzr-2.1 avaialble as pip and i wonder if it is safe-enough to be installed on my webfaction 'server' ? [07:37] gour: Probably. bzr.dev *usually* works. [07:37] gour: I mean, _I_ run it, but my server is down half the time anyway, so reliability is not that important. ;-) [07:41] Peng: i installed it. it is not so critical to pull from git repo from time to time with bzr-git [08:55] /me just starting with using revision conrol systems [08:55] [08:55] * shyam_k just starting with version control systems. [08:56] my current needs are very simple. [08:56] can't i use bazaar as an intelligent history enabled auto-save system for my local files too? [08:57] that is just for personal use. [09:03] shyam_k: sure you can do [09:07] gour: oh good.. thanks. [09:08] am currently reading through the different options.. i like it emacs ish.. won't mind a learning curve, but want it to be powerful:) [13:18] anyone using bzr with emacs? i just started with a local bzr repository and i would like to make it automatically commit every few minutes just like emacs makes the auto-save .. how to go for that? [13:21] that doesn't seem like a good idea [13:36] hmm.. ok. what about integrating emacs' auto-save with bazaar? letting emacs do a commit on the bazaar to save the auto save file [13:37] hasn't it been a need already? [13:38] How would auto-commit generate decent commit messages? [13:38] it can be some constant stuff.. what i want is to protect data.. [13:47] luks: why is it a bad idea? [13:54] hi [13:55] how can I use 'bzr send' to submit a patch to another developer if the public branch is temporarily offline? [13:55] bzr send insists on connection to the server, but I just want to get a bundle of revisions and send them to someone [17:18] hi [17:38] hi... is there a wiki for the bzr gtk? [17:39] or tutorial ? === gutworth_ is now known as gutworth [17:46] nvm , found it :) [19:25] hello. i have some basic newbie questions. i am very confused on the difference between checkout and branch commands for getting a new project locally. what is the difference? [19:32] Checkout gives you a [new] working tree to work on an existing branch. Branch gives you a new independent branch. [19:32] fullermd: thanks. simple enough. [19:33] Simple is my speciality :) [19:33] ... OK, that's a lie. But I like to think it. [19:33] good. you will be my best friend for a while then :) [19:34] so, if i setup a central repository, and i have two people (actually, just me on two different machines), and i just do checkouts and commits, i will handle conflicts manually, like in cvs or svn? [19:35] Yeah. You'll have to 'update' before you can commit when you're out of date, etc. [19:35] thanks. and one more question, and i think you have gotten me further in these few minutes, then by reading the docs. [19:35] The biggest difference is that 'checkout' by default creates what we call a "heavy" checkout, which means it still copies down a whole copy of the history (like branch does), as a local cache. [19:35] Which means you can do things like 'log' and 'diff' without having to hit the network. [19:37] i created the "peer-to-peer" setup. i created a repository on "Machine A", and then on Machine B, did a "bzr branch sftp://...". but when i commit on Machine B, it stills tries to hit Machine A. [19:38] That probably means you really ended up with a checkout, not a branch (either by running 'checkout' originally, or by doing something with 'bind' or maybe 'reconfigure' later) [19:38] See what 'info' has to say about the branch on B. [19:38] you know, i was playing around, and i could have done a checkout by accident. [19:38] yup, i did a checkout. [19:39] well, i am done with all my questions, and i am very much looking forward to removing subversion and switching to bzr [19:40] Note that, where possible, you probably want to use bzr+ssh rather than sftp. It'll be a lot faster, especially at incremental stuff, as things get bigger. [19:40] If you have a real shell and bzr in the path on the far side, it should Just Work. [19:40] i am just happy to able to use real tags, not branches=tags ) [19:40] ) [20:06] hmm , how do i launch bzr-gtk? === rockstar is now known as Guest38735 === rockstar` is now known as rockstar [20:53] hi. what's the standard html page used for public http repos that shows instructions? [21:13] anyone? [21:39] > hi. what's the standard html page used for public http repos that shows instructions? [21:39] I don't think anyone understands the question [21:41] lifeless: there's some sort of standard page that people put on their http sites [21:41] in the dirs from which bzr repos are served [21:41] i've seen it before [21:41] but not sure where to get it [21:42] Noldorin: You mean like on http://bzr.mattnordhoff.com/loggerhead/? [21:42] Peng: not quite. it's just a simple page that says "this is a bzr repo", writes the url, and gives some instructions how to pull the repo [21:44] Noldorin: Unless you mean like the "To get this branch" box on e.g. http://bzr.mattnordhoff.com/loggerhead/loggerhead/cheezum/changes, I dunno, sorry. [21:44] lifeless, Peng: ah, i guess i mean something like http://blueprintgames.com/developers/alex/bzr/cocoa-extractor/ [21:45] Noldorin: Ah. Um. I don't recall ever seeing that before. Might be custom. [21:45] Noldorin: It's just one HTML page. [21:46] Peng: yeah, that was my point exactly lol :P [21:46] well, you could be right [21:46] i was told it was standard though... [21:46] Oh? [21:47] heh, is there anything better you know of? [21:47] (short of loggerhead, since that doesn't work on VPSs) [21:50] i mean, yeah, it's not much. but it's better than a 404 :) [21:53] (short of loggerhead, since that doesn't work on VPSs) [21:53] uh, why not? [21:54] maxb: windows IIS VPSs [21:54] * maxb runs away [22:14] hehe [22:14] lifeless, maxb: i don't think it would work on linux apache VPSs either [22:14] since it needs to be run as a separate server [22:14] which is a bit of a shame [22:14] because it's a nice interface... [22:14] but its usage is vastly restricted [22:15] mod_wsgi [22:17] lifeless: well i should in theory be able to use it on IIS with isapi-wsgi [22:17] but there's no instructions :() [22:39] IIS? [22:39] * mneptok checks the calendar [22:39] OK, it *is* 2009. [22:46] hello [22:47] one question? [22:48] maybe two [22:49] Noldorin: What kind of *nix VPS prevents you from running mod_proxy? [22:49] Noldorin: The issue is RAM... [22:50] NeverGone: That was your one question. [22:50] (Is that still funny? Was it ever?) [22:50] When I'm in a subdirectory of a branch (repo/foo/bar), how can I create a new branch directly? [22:50] NeverGone: What do you mean? [22:50] Peng: the problem is running the server in the first place, as i see it [22:51] Noldorin: In what way? [22:52] Peng: you need the command line, as far as i know [22:52] Soo? [22:53] you can't run it if you don't have it [22:53] There's a *nix VPS without command line access? [22:54] just about every one i've used :P [22:54] haha [22:56] Buy a better VPS [22:56] If you don't get root, it's not worth your money [22:56] * Peng is writing this from a CLI IRC client, on a *nix VPS, next to the Loggerhead tab. [22:57] ok, so this is my fault. i don't actually mean a VPS it seems [22:57] just a normal shared server [22:58] Ah. [22:58] yeah, sorry about that [22:58] ...I still have shell access to my shared servers (kind of, at least). [22:58] from a shared server... [22:58] i think i'm out of look [22:58] luck* [22:59] You could probably work something out with the FastCGI, SCGI and AJP support that was recently added. [22:59] possibly [22:59] but i think it would be asking for much pain on a windows iis7 shared server [22:59] i have isapi-wsgi installed...so in theory, i should be able to run it [23:00] but i don't have the foggiest where to start [23:00] would be great if there were some instructions for loggerhead on iis :) [23:00] i found an online memo from over a year ago saying there were plans... [23:00] seems nothing has materialised though [23:01] I'm even more sleepy now than I was last time you were discussing IIS. :P [23:05] Peng: :P [23:06] is it possible to "pull" again when branched from a svn repo? that is, i have a branched from a svn repo, this worked, but bzr pull says "not a branch" so i dont know how to follow the svn server for updates [23:06] not sure how i got back onto this track lol [23:06] i meant to abandon it a week ago [23:06] was tempted to port loggerhead to asp.net if anything :P [23:06] but that's almost as crazy an idea [23:06] so meh [23:06] i'm off now anyway [23:06] thanks anyway [23:07] bb [23:07] zsquareplusc: Something is wrong if it's saying "Not a branch". [23:07] well it probably looks for a bzr repo, but its an svn server [23:10] zsquareplusc: Yes, but if you branched, you have a bzr branch. [23:10] zsquareplusc: Wait wait. I misunderstood. [23:11] zsquareplusc: I thought you meant it was saying your local branch was not a branch, not the remote URL. [23:11] yes thats right. bzr branch from a svn repo creates a bzr brnach with the full history [23:11] I should log off of IRC when I'm this tired. [23:12] i was able to make local changes in bzr and i was able to push to the svn server. [23:12] but now the svn servers has new revisions and i'd like to upgrade my bzr branch with these