[02:14] <neoTheCat> good evening EST
[02:16] <neoTheCat> if i want to run bzr on multiple of my own machines, can i run whoami with the same name and email address on each machine?
[02:20] <maxb> Yes you can, and moreover, you should. (Unless you actually wish to present multiple identities to the world)
[02:22] <neoTheCat> maxb: cool, thanks.  i did not know if they would mess up anything when i work on one machine, and then i synch up with another one of my machines.
[02:52] <neoTheCat> is peer-to-peer a bad idea if you are doing it with more than one person?
[02:52] <neoTheCat> partner-workflow?
[03:31] <neoTheCat> i followed the recipes on the bzr documentation page.  i set up the "bzr init-repo bzrrepo" on both machines, then bzr-init for my project dir.  when i try to get the branch, i am getting the "ERROR: not a branch" error.
[03:34] <Peng> neoTheCat: "get"? Like, remotely? You know bzr+ssh:// and sftp:// paths are relative to the root, right?
[03:36] <neoTheCat> Peng: thanks.  i assumed because using the sftp command by itself brought me to the users home dir, that bzr, using the same protocol would do the same.
[03:36] <neoTheCat> which is why i  should RTF much closer... :)
[03:36] <neoTheCat> s/RTF/RTFM/
[03:37] <Peng> neoTheCat: You can use bzr+ssh://user@bzr.example.com/~/some_path_relative_to_the_home_dir
[03:37] <Peng> neoTheCat: (same on sftp)
[03:41] <neoTheCat> thank you
[07:17] <gour> morning
[07:18] <gour> i see there is only bzr-2.1 avaialble as pip and i wonder if it is safe-enough to be installed on my webfaction 'server' ?
[07:37] <Peng> gour: Probably. bzr.dev *usually* works.
[07:37] <Peng> gour: I mean, _I_ run it, but my server is down half the time anyway, so reliability is not that important. ;-)
[07:41] <gour> Peng: i installed it. it is not so critical to pull from git repo from time to time with bzr-git
[08:55] <shyam_k> /me just starting with using revision conrol systems
[08:55] <shyam_k>  
[08:55]  * shyam_k just starting with version control systems.
[08:56] <shyam_k> my current needs are very simple.
[08:56] <shyam_k> can't i use bazaar as an intelligent history enabled auto-save system for my local files too?
[08:57] <shyam_k> that is just for personal use.
[09:03] <gour> shyam_k: sure you can do
[09:07] <shyam_k> gour: oh good.. thanks.
[09:08] <shyam_k> am currently reading through the different options.. i like it emacs ish.. won't mind a learning curve, but want it to be powerful:)
[13:18] <shyam_k> anyone using bzr with emacs? i just started with a local bzr repository and i would like to make it automatically commit every few minutes just like emacs makes the auto-save .. how to go for that?
[13:21] <luks> that doesn't seem like a good idea
[13:36] <shyam_k> hmm.. ok. what about integrating emacs' auto-save with bazaar? letting emacs do a commit on the bazaar to save the auto save file
[13:37] <shyam_k> hasn't it been a need already?
[13:38] <Peng> How would auto-commit generate decent commit messages?
[13:38] <shyam_k> it can be some constant stuff.. what i want is to protect data..
[13:47] <shyam_k> luks: why is it a bad idea?
[13:54] <Raim> hi
[13:55] <Raim> how can I use 'bzr send' to submit a patch to another developer if the public branch is temporarily offline?
[13:55] <Raim> bzr send insists on connection to the server, but I just want to get a bundle of revisions and send them to someone
[17:18] <bpierre> hi
[17:38] <mac_v> hi... is there a wiki for the bzr gtk?
[17:39] <mac_v> or tutorial ?
[17:46] <mac_v> nvm , found it :)
[19:25] <neoTheCat> hello. i have some basic newbie questions.  i am very confused on the difference between checkout and branch commands for getting a new project locally.  what is the difference?
[19:32] <fullermd> Checkout gives you a [new] working tree to work on an existing branch.  Branch gives you a new independent branch.
[19:32] <neoTheCat> fullermd: thanks.  simple enough.
[19:33] <fullermd> Simple is my speciality   :)
[19:33] <fullermd> ...  OK, that's a lie.  But I like to think it.
[19:33] <neoTheCat> good.  you will be my best friend for a while then :)
[19:34] <neoTheCat> so, if i setup a central repository, and i have two people (actually, just me on two different machines), and i just do checkouts and commits, i will handle conflicts manually, like in cvs or svn?
[19:35] <fullermd> Yeah.  You'll have to 'update' before you can commit when you're out of date, etc.
[19:35] <neoTheCat> thanks.  and one more question, and i think you have gotten me further in these few minutes, then by reading the docs.
[19:35] <fullermd> The biggest difference is that 'checkout' by default creates what we call a "heavy" checkout, which means it still copies down a whole copy of the history (like branch does), as a local cache.
[19:35] <fullermd> Which means you can do things like 'log' and 'diff' without having to hit the network.
[19:37] <neoTheCat> i created the "peer-to-peer" setup.  i created a repository on "Machine A", and then on Machine B, did a "bzr branch sftp://...".  but when i commit on Machine B, it stills tries to hit Machine A.
[19:38] <fullermd> That probably means you really ended up with a checkout, not a branch (either by running 'checkout' originally, or by doing something with 'bind' or maybe 'reconfigure' later)
[19:38] <fullermd> See what 'info' has to say about the branch on B.
[19:38] <neoTheCat> you know, i was playing around, and i could have done a checkout by accident.
[19:38] <neoTheCat> yup, i did a checkout.
[19:39] <neoTheCat> well, i am done with all my questions, and i am very much looking forward to removing subversion and switching to bzr
[19:40] <fullermd> Note that, where possible, you probably want to use bzr+ssh rather than sftp.  It'll be a lot faster, especially at incremental stuff, as things get bigger.
[19:40] <fullermd> If you have a real shell and bzr in the path on the far side, it should Just Work.
[19:40] <neoTheCat> i am just happy to able to use real tags, not branches=tags )
[19:40] <neoTheCat> )
[20:06] <mac_v> hmm , how do i launch bzr-gtk?
[20:53] <Noldorin> hi. what's the standard html page used for public http repos that shows instructions?
[21:13] <Noldorin> anyone?
[21:39] <Noldorin> >	hi. what's the standard html page used for public http repos that shows instructions?
[21:39] <lifeless> I don't think anyone understands the question
[21:41] <Noldorin> lifeless: there's some sort of standard page that people put on their http sites
[21:41] <Noldorin> in the dirs from which bzr repos are served
[21:41] <Noldorin> i've seen it before
[21:41] <Noldorin> but not sure where to get it
[21:42] <Peng> Noldorin: You mean like on http://bzr.mattnordhoff.com/loggerhead/?
[21:42] <Noldorin> Peng: not quite. it's just a simple page that says "this is a bzr repo", writes the url, and gives some instructions how to pull the repo
[21:44] <Peng> Noldorin: Unless you mean like the "To get this branch" box on e.g. http://bzr.mattnordhoff.com/loggerhead/loggerhead/cheezum/changes, I dunno, sorry.
[21:44] <Noldorin> lifeless, Peng: ah, i guess i mean something like http://blueprintgames.com/developers/alex/bzr/cocoa-extractor/
[21:45] <Peng> Noldorin: Ah. Um. I don't recall ever seeing that before. Might be custom.
[21:45] <Peng> Noldorin: It's just one HTML page.
[21:46] <Noldorin> Peng: yeah, that was my point exactly lol :P
[21:46] <Noldorin> well, you could be right
[21:46] <Noldorin> i was told it was standard though...
[21:46] <Peng> Oh?
[21:47] <Noldorin> heh, is there anything better you know of?
[21:47] <Noldorin> (short of loggerhead, since that doesn't work on VPSs)
[21:50] <Noldorin> i mean, yeah, it's not much. but it's better than a 404 :)
 (short of loggerhead, since that doesn't work on VPSs)
[21:53] <maxb> uh, why not?
[21:54] <lifeless> maxb: windows IIS VPSs
[21:54]  * maxb runs away
[22:14] <Noldorin> hehe
[22:14] <Noldorin> lifeless, maxb: i don't think it would work on linux apache VPSs either
[22:14] <Noldorin> since it needs to be run as a separate server
[22:14] <Noldorin> which is a bit of a shame
[22:14] <Noldorin> because it's a nice interface...
[22:14] <Noldorin> but its usage is vastly restricted
[22:15] <lifeless> mod_wsgi
[22:17] <Noldorin> lifeless: well i should in theory be able to use it on IIS with isapi-wsgi
[22:17] <Noldorin> but there's no instructions :()
[22:39] <mneptok> IIS?
[22:39]  * mneptok checks the calendar
[22:39] <mneptok> OK, it *is* 2009.
[22:46] <NeverGone> hello
[22:47] <NeverGone> one question?
[22:48] <gutworth> maybe two
[22:49] <Peng> Noldorin: What kind of *nix VPS prevents you from running mod_proxy?
[22:49] <Peng> Noldorin: The issue is RAM...
[22:50] <Peng> NeverGone: That was your one question.
[22:50] <Peng> (Is that still funny? Was it ever?)
[22:50] <NeverGone> When I'm in a subdirectory of a branch (repo/foo/bar), how can I create a new branch directly?
[22:50] <Peng> NeverGone: What do you mean?
[22:50] <Noldorin> Peng: the problem is running the server in the first place, as i see it
[22:51] <Peng> Noldorin: In what way?
[22:52] <Noldorin> Peng: you need the command line, as far as i know
[22:52] <Peng> Soo?
[22:53] <Noldorin> you can't run it if you don't have it
[22:53] <Peng> There's a *nix VPS without command line access?
[22:54] <Noldorin> just about every one i've used :P
[22:54] <Noldorin> haha
[22:56] <maxb> Buy a better VPS
[22:56] <maxb> If you don't get root, it's not worth your money
[22:56]  * Peng is writing this from a CLI IRC client, on a *nix VPS, next to the Loggerhead tab.
[22:57] <Noldorin> ok, so this is my fault. i don't actually mean a VPS it seems
[22:57] <Noldorin> just a normal shared server
[22:58] <Peng> Ah.
[22:58] <Noldorin> yeah, sorry about that
[22:58] <Peng> ...I still have shell access to my shared servers (kind of, at least).
[22:58] <Noldorin> from a shared server...
[22:58] <Noldorin> i think i'm out of look
[22:58] <Noldorin> luck*
[22:59] <Peng> You could probably work something out with the FastCGI, SCGI and AJP support that was recently added.
[22:59] <Noldorin> possibly
[22:59] <Noldorin> but i think it would be asking for much pain on a windows iis7 shared server
[22:59] <Noldorin> i have isapi-wsgi installed...so in theory, i should be able to run it
[23:00] <Noldorin> but i don't have the foggiest where to start
[23:00] <Noldorin> would be great if there were some instructions for loggerhead on iis :)
[23:00] <Noldorin> i found an online memo from over a year ago saying there were plans...
[23:00] <Noldorin> seems nothing has materialised though
[23:01] <Peng> I'm even more sleepy now than I was last time you were discussing IIS. :P
[23:05] <Noldorin> Peng: :P
[23:06] <zsquareplusc> is it possible to "pull" again when branched from a svn repo?  that is, i have a branched from a svn repo, this worked, but bzr pull says "not a branch" so i dont know how to follow the svn server for updates
[23:06] <Noldorin> not sure how i got back onto this track lol
[23:06] <Noldorin> i meant to abandon it a week ago
[23:06] <Noldorin> was tempted to port loggerhead to asp.net if anything :P
[23:06] <Noldorin> but that's almost as crazy an idea
[23:06] <Noldorin> so meh
[23:06] <Noldorin> i'm off now anyway
[23:06] <Noldorin> thanks anyway
[23:07] <Noldorin> bb
[23:07] <Peng> zsquareplusc: Something is wrong if it's saying "Not a branch".
[23:07] <zsquareplusc> well it probably looks for a bzr repo, but its an svn server
[23:10] <Peng> zsquareplusc: Yes, but if you branched, you have a bzr branch.
[23:10] <Peng> zsquareplusc: Wait wait. I misunderstood.
[23:11] <Peng> zsquareplusc: I thought you meant it was saying your local branch was not a branch, not the remote URL.
[23:11] <zsquareplusc> yes thats right. bzr branch from a svn repo creates a bzr brnach with the full history
[23:11] <Peng> I should log off of IRC when I'm this tired.
[23:12] <zsquareplusc> i was able to make local changes in bzr and i was able to push to the svn server.
[23:12] <zsquareplusc> but now the svn servers has new revisions and i'd like to upgrade my bzr branch with these