[00:01] * JontheEchidna promptly apt-get removes [00:03] so we ship sans nepomuk? [00:03] I wouldn't say that necessarily. The live CD will almost certainly not want to have virtuoso enabled [00:04] * JontheEchidna mumbles about upstream pushing heavy database components onto users without supercomputers [00:15] http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/29382/ [00:15] You guys might like that story :) [00:15] Ignore the non exisitent Distro [00:24] JontheEchidna: That screenshot looks quite like a semi polished apple [00:24] I just noticed somethign strange. Does anyone have compositing on? [00:24] yes [00:25] mostly because it was fixed this morning [00:26] Ha ha OK what do you have for your alt+Tab effect? [00:28] coverflow [00:33] Sput: It works currently ? [00:34] yep [00:34] Sput: which windows do you currently have open? [00:35] huh? [00:35] Which apps do you ahve open? [00:35] dunno, usual set of K apps plus Quassel [00:35] and Creator :) [00:35] Konqueror ? [00:35] yeah [00:36] OK press Ctrl+F9 and type konqu press enter [00:36] Then see if Cover flow is still active [00:36] no, it's not :) [00:36] interesting [00:36] plasma-desktop crashed too [00:37] Box switch? [00:37] yep [00:37] Yay \o/ [00:37] I can't reproduce that [00:37] and X11 is eating my CPU [00:37] well Maybe I can I don't have plasma running at all right now [00:39] Sput: Hmm I can't turn it back on either :( [00:53] yippie, regression: bug 492681 [00:53] Launchpad bug 492681 in kdebase-workspace "[Kubuntu][Karmic][KDE 4.3.4] More than one Activity will cause slow transistion to desktop on start up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/492681 [01:01] JontheEchidna: Ah question do you see the KDE Loginsplash Before login ? [01:01] yes [01:02] What causes that? [01:02] A kdm patch we have. It was going to be our answer to xsplash [01:03] but apparently once the *dm starts it's too late to do much splashing, so usplash is seen throughout [01:03] usplash? [01:04] the bootup splash that's been in use since the olden days [01:04] I meant the KDE splash with the blue block and the march of icons ending with the Big K [01:04] before KDM shows up? [01:04] yes [01:04] yes, that's what I"m talking about too [01:04] It was supposed to replace usplash [01:04] Ah [01:04] strange [01:04] but kdm starts too late to be able to do that, so usplash shows anyways [01:05] we should just remove the patch imo [01:05] please [01:05] Shall I file abug? :) [01:05] Riddell seems to have an attachement to it... [01:05] I'd like to see a video of what he sees on his computer [01:05] there's already a bug, iirc [01:05] on all computers I've tried it on, it shows for a split second before teh login prompt [01:06] A split second? [01:06] you must have started with a very fat second [01:07] maybe half a second, but usplash is mostly present throughout [01:08] * Daskreech shrugs. It's a paperkut at best in any case [01:08] how long does the KSplash show for you before the login screen? [01:08] It's annoying and may contribute to someone leaving Kubuntu but certainly won't be the reason why [01:09] ironically it's the only stain on an otherwise excellent booting experience (For me) [01:09] As long as your not on a Live CD :) [01:10] Yeah I quite like the boot up now [01:10] Wish it could be played with a little more [01:10] I still like the Sims motif [01:10] but it's nice [01:10] Say Sheytan's Boot splash mock for Kubuntu ? [01:10] s/Say/saw/ [01:11] nope [01:11] well, dunno. The name doesn't ring a bell. ;-) [01:18] Ah found it! [01:18] http://identi.ca/notice/15818646 [01:19] http://2tu.us/16mr [01:20] Did some nice wallpapers as well [01:57] * Daskreech is sad. Can I use an ID file to ssh through KIO ? [02:31] So, there is a "cripple phonon" cmake option we could throw in kdebase-runtime if we got desparate... [02:32] * JontheEchidna might do so locally so he can sort everything else besides phonon out package-wise [02:49] Sounds like a plan [02:49] JontheEchidna: Did soprano get uploaded? [02:53] workspace finished on amd64. [02:54] I don't think it did get uploaded [02:54] It's in the same boat as akonadi where I can't upload it to Ubuntu [02:55] ScottK: ^ [02:57] OK. I'll do it in a bit. [02:57] shared-desktop-ontologies needs reviewed/accepted too, if you're looking for things to do [02:57] On my list. [02:57] We need a MIR for that. [02:57] Quintasan started on one [02:58] JontheEchidna: what do you think about having a kubuntu-dvd package ? [02:58] I did a bit of polishing but I need to compare it to the template [02:59] Daskreech: sounds neat, just don't ask me to do it :P [03:00] :-) [03:01] How many KDE packages are currently in main? [03:02] reverse-build-depends kdelibs5-dev [03:02] Should give numbers for everything in main, universe, multiverse and restricted w/ numbers [03:02] [03:03] Is there a reverse-build-depends ? [03:03] !find /usr/bin/reverse-build-depends [03:03] File /usr/bin/reverse-build-depends found in ubuntu-dev-tools [03:04] ah I was looking at apt-rdepends [03:04] which is recursive depends not reverse [03:19] JontheEchidna: 126 [03:20] I would have done so myself, but it seems broken in lucid at the moment [03:22] bah that can't be right i just did a apt-get remove kdelibs and got 168 packages [03:22] Hmm I guess Koffice might count against that [03:22] Do I really want to remove koffice just to count packages? [03:26] mm, bunch of ancient docbooks removed from kdebase-runtime in 4.4 [03:35] * JontheEchidna sooo wishes dh_install would run through trying to install all files even if one fails, then fail the build and give a list of missing files [03:36] JontheEchidna: Patches welcome. [03:36] ;-) [03:36] of course ;-) [03:36] well... who knows if debian welcomes patches :P [03:37] they'd probably debate about my use of pronouns in comments until nobody cared anymore [03:37] I think there are Ubuntu changes already for all the relevant packages. [03:37] BTW, workspace finally built on i386 [03:37] Almost 3 hours [03:38] wow, it did grow [03:42] Looking at soprano now. [03:46] soprano was already done [03:47] akonadi still needs doing though [04:12] JontheEchidna: Do you know where Quintasan|Szel put the shared ontologies MIR? [04:12] I got permission to accept it into Main for now as long as the MIR is done. [04:35] nixternal: the web doc... you want it to be browsers or, also torrent, IM, email and browsers [04:40] Somewhere the firefox installer needs to be covered [04:41] akonadi uploaded to the archive. [04:41] JontheEchidna: In theory, you could do the rest now. [04:47] web would be browsers [04:47] IM and email will go in communications [04:48] torrent...hrmm [04:51] maybe we should s/web/internet/ [04:52] torrent is internet [04:52] JontheEchidna and Quintasan|Szel: shared-desktop-ontologies in the archive and in Main. [05:13] ScottK: did you find the MIR? [05:14] JontheEchidna: Yes and finished it. (it was close) [05:14] That was a condition for me accepting it into Main. [05:14] nice [05:15] I'm thinking of uploading the phonon-less kdebase-runtime to ninjas for now [05:15] it's better than nothing and we can always reupload once things are fixed [05:16] I think it make sense [05:16] My list-missing for workspace is down to ~50 lines now. [05:18] -runtime has 261 files in list-missing :S [05:18] mostly goes to /usr/share/locale/, so I'm lucky [05:20] after /usr/share/locale I'm down to ~50 [05:30] I also have to go back through the plasma-desktop stuff and see what stays in kdebase-workspace-bin, what gets split out into plasma-desktop, and make sure I get all the right stuff in plasma-netbook. [05:31] This was so much easier when I didn't know all the stuff I needed to watch out for. [05:41] nixternal: so as I understand it, email, IRC and IM would go into communication. Torrent and Browsers go into web? [05:44] hmm, libnepomukquery4 seems to have moved from -workspace to -runtime [05:44] * JontheEchidna will deal with the errors tomorrow, gnight [05:46] nixternal: I'm also going to put akregater in the web catigory [05:48] JontheEchidna: Glad to hear that. I was wondering where it had gone. I'll drop the package from workspace. [05:49] JontheEchidna: libnepomukqueryclient4 too? [05:51] * ScottK is assuming yes, so make sure I find out if that's not right, please. [05:57] Okay, bed time. [06:03] ryanakca: It might be nice to have a notice on the web site mentioning that KDE SC 4.4 Beta 1 is released, but we are still working on packages. [06:09] I wouldn't put up the notice until packages are released...people seem to miss the "we are still working on packages" bit...release notice shouldn't be posted until release [06:10] not only the packages are complete, but we have tested them...instead of slinging up a notice and letting those who decide to try it out do the testing and find out this is trying to overwrite that, etc. [06:11] plus, KDE 4.4 Beta 1 seems to have broken compositing 95% of the time :( [06:12] unless of course we cherry picked the fixes for it [06:12] We didn't. [06:12] Yet [06:12] sebas said something about a new tarball coming soon, [06:12] We've had people here asking where the packages were so, ... [06:13] I thought they were not going to release the fix with beta 1 but hold off until beta 2 [06:13] It wasn't released with beta1 [06:13] correct [06:13] But there may be a special tarball in 'a day or two' [06:13] ahh [06:14] List missing on kdebase-workspace == 55 items. [06:14] I've been working on this bad boy for days. [06:14] nixternal: it would be appreciated that drop the font patch from debian to force use dejavu as default fonts [06:15] At least I got through the kdebase-workspace-bin/plasma-widgets-workspace split into plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook. [06:17] nixternal: Plus there was a BIC change in kdelibs today. It might make sense to patch that in now, so the archive never has the old version (it's new stuff in 4.4, so we don't need to worry about Karmic/4.3) [08:52] so whens kde sc 4.4 coming to lucid [08:52] "when ready" (: [08:53] lol ok its just fedora already has it [08:58] woodbj: it is only a beta, not meant for productive use [08:58] and Lucid is not even Alpha yet [08:58] so's lucid [09:31] JontheEchidna: I think the fedora team has solved... I'm going to inquire === fale_ is now known as fale === allee-k_ is now known as allee-k [11:20] fale: news from fedora team? [11:20] Lex79: nope [11:21] they are compiling it, but, I guess, with the kde-phonon [11:21] ok [11:21] so no patch yet for Qt [11:22] Lex79: guess not [11:22] damn [11:26] Lex79: sandsmark is working on it atm [11:27] yeah I know, I read [11:28] Lex79: hehe haven't seen you there ;) [11:28] when the patch is ready he pokes me [11:29] oh, cool ;) [11:29] yeah [12:14] ScottK: ah, right, I remember (IRT soprano not being part of the set) [13:03] ScottK: oh, libnepomukquery4 moved to kde4libs not runtime [13:19] JontheEchidna: Cool. As long as it moved. Thanks. [13:20] Have I to add "Replaces" to kdelibs? [13:21] ScottK: could you see if you could push libssh through binary new please? It's the cause of kdebsae-runtime's FTBFS in the ppa [13:21] Lex79: we may want to move the package to kde4libs altogether [13:25] ok, I go to lunch [13:33] rgreening: ping [14:34] JontheEchidna: we could provide a fixed krandr* in a ppa [14:34] for xinerama that is [14:35] * apachelogger just noticed that darn intel driver does not support hardware acceleration hence no 3d with xinerama [14:35] also video playback is a bit tricky :S [15:07] someone already working on new kobby packages? [15:09] nope [15:09] neversfelde: can you do kmess 2.0.2 ? [15:10] neversfelde: new kobby packages? [15:10] ryanakca: beta4 is out [15:10] Lex79: yes, I hope my laptop is ok again, I made a backup on an NTFS device :( [15:11] urgh we hope then :) [15:12] neversfelde: Ah, he moved off of github. I'll update my packages in Debian and thet we can sync [15:13] ryanakca: cool :) [15:30] It's just me or it's stupid to not be able to enter media player's data while in MTP mode? Amarok hooks it :/ [15:33] cannot compute === declanmg is now known as declanmg_ === declanmg_ is now known as declanmg === declanmg is now known as declanmg_ === declanmg_ is now known as declanmg__ === declanmg__ is now known as declanmg [16:51] What's gluon? [16:53] You know QtCreator? [17:00] Wow [17:00] Just read a blog post on Planet of someone saying they Liked Kubuntu 9.10 [17:01] They haven't blogged in nearly 3 years. That's a pretty nice accomplishment [17:02] Daskreech: sure I do [17:06] Quintasan: It's that but for OpenGL games and kde-games [17:06] ah [17:09] Amazing growth [17:09] Hopefully soon we can have a Tux Diner dash written in a week :-) [17:10] Daskreech: this needs, packaging, where I can grab the source? [17:12] Git [17:13] Should be easy to find once you hit gitorious It's one of the most active projects [17:14] kay === toyg is now known as GiacomoL [17:16] JontheEchidna: Looking. [17:16] Quintasan: http://gitorious.net/gluon [17:17] JontheEchidna: It seems to need MIR too. [17:19] Did anyone do the libssh MIR? [17:20] nope [17:20] JontheEchidna: I'm going to leave it in New. I can promote it to Main at the time I accept it, but not after, so let's get the MIR situation worked out first. [17:21] Lex79: We need that done then. At the very least I can't put it in Main without the MIR drafted. [17:22] I'm quite busy now, maybe Quintasan can look at it [17:22] look at what? [17:22] Quintasan: MIR for libssh [17:23] urgh, in few moments, need to get kdeplasma-addons done, this microblog patch is damn weird [17:23] hrm, stasks is being funny... my things are right aligned instead of left... [17:25] Maybe it's Arabic? [17:26] Daskreech: hehe [17:35] bug 492899 needs a sponsor [17:35] Launchpad bug 492899 in plasma-widget-tictactoe "New upstream release 1.1" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/492899 [17:38] what does it mean, the sponsorship? [17:41] ulysses__: I am not allowed to upload to the archives myself and I need someone who can review the package and do this for me [17:41] Then I can't help, i am only an user who interesting to be a Timelord:( [17:42] ScottK: I'm going to take a walk and I will write up a MIR. [17:43] Quintasan: Excellent. Thanks. [17:44] ulysses__: have you been given a project? [17:44] ulysses__: Interested in learning how to help in Kubuntu development? [17:44] Daskreech: I translated lots of the Kubuntu System documentation in Karmic [17:45] ScottK: Yes [17:46] ulysses__: You might want to see if Quintasan will help you with the Main Inclusion Report (MIR) for libssh when he gets back instead of doing it himself. It's mostly research, but the questions you have to answer will be a good learning experience for getting involved in development. [17:47] ScottK: I will do my best, I hope. [17:47] ulysses__: Great. [17:47] Quintasan: ^^^ New minion. Please be gentle. [17:47] :D [17:47] yay for minions :) [17:48] ulysses__: Good i was going to throw the docbook at you anyway :) [17:48] Well it's good, but it gets compicated when the minions have minions. [17:48] lol [17:48] and if those minions have minions as well [17:48] how far do you want to go :) [17:49] Just make some meta minions [17:49] It's one of the issues [17:49] haha [17:49] chain-minions?:) [17:49] * Daskreech files that in the issue tracker [17:49] or minion-chain? [17:53] Well eventually they graduate. [17:53] JontheEchidna recently escaped the last vestiages of minionhood. [17:54] We kicked him into orbit? [18:16] * ryanakca sighs a he key no working on his keyboard :/ [18:19] Tiem for IRC charades! [18:28] which packages need a transition to dh --with-kde? [18:31] neversfelde: I'd suggest we follow Debian in this. [18:36] ScottK: ok, thanks [18:46] hi [18:48] hi [18:52] ScottK: should we merge your netbook testing page with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks , or did you want to have a seperate page for KNR ? [18:53] ryanakca: We probably don't need a separate page. [18:55] ScottK: OK. Also, bangarang runs very nicely if nepomuk uses the sesame2 backend... not so nicely if it uses the redland backend. Do you know which will be default for lucid? [18:56] ryanakca: IIRC we're getting away from sesame2. [18:58] ryanakca: where I can get bangarang package? [18:58] ryanakca, ScottK: if I'm not outdated with infos then we will try to get virtuoso packaged [18:59] I believe that's correct [18:59] Quintasan: according to http://trueg.wordpress.com/tag/virtuoso/ , it should be default in KDE 4.4 [19:00] ryanakca: but it should be packaged first :P [19:00] Quintasan: http://packages.debian.org/sid/bangarang [19:01] You'll need to rebuild it under lucid... it won't build under karmic because I used dh7 + pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.5.0) ... [19:02] okay [19:03] Quintasan: There is a PPA [19:06] It "Works" now [19:06] It was a "it compiles ship it!" server for a while [19:07] Basically the Debian packages stuck on a server [19:07] They actually install now but did so just in time for Qt to screw up Phonon so I can't run it [19:08] Quintasan: The latest git clone seems to be reasonably stable though if you want to use it under karmic, git clone git://gitorious.org/bangarang/bangarang.git [19:08] Daskreech: That virtuoso? [19:09] ryanakca: Banarang [19:11] Daskreech: Ah === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:12] ryanakca: I really want to try it but it worked literally the day after phono broke :( [19:13] Daskreech: I can quickly backport the Debian package for you if you want [19:14] \o/ [19:14] hearing the 4.4 beta 1 might be screwed has been quite a downer [19:14] I want to start filing bugs for bangarang as well as Beta 1 [19:15] * apachelogger thinks nightlies for bangarang would be useful [19:15] if only soyuz had builtin support for that :( [19:15] we could use OBS though :P [19:16] it iwll be once the app can even start [19:17] nice [19:18] ScottK: Bangarang is going to be a part of netbook remix? [19:18] apachelogger: OBS? [19:19] suse's soyuz [19:19] hehe [19:19] wow, and it crashed [19:19] Didn't nixternal have a nightly build script for some random application at one point? [19:20] Neon? [19:21] ryanakca: there is a dailybuilds framework for bzr [19:21] that is not builtinto soyuz though [19:21] which makes OBS a superior solution when it comes to regularly built snapshots [19:22] apachelogger: ... does it build .debs ? [19:23] I don't think it would be too difficult, 'git pull && dch -i -option_that_doesnt_popup_editor && dbuild -I.git -i\.git -S -sa && cd .. && dput your_ppa bangarang-with-the-greatest-version-number.dsc' ... could ask the nightly chromium people how they make theirs... [19:23] s/dbuild/debuild/ [19:24] ryanakca: yes it does build debs [19:24] ryanakca: it builds anything you want [19:24] which also makes it superior, since you can deploy packages for all major distros [19:24] not the best ones, but working ones [19:25] ryanakca: my point is that a) requires a solution that needs to be maintained and b) a machine to execute it [19:25] and that machine requires maintenance too [19:26] * ryanakca nods [19:28] ScottK: what should I put in security, it's a ssh library so security flaws are rather not welcome [19:46] ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/libsshMainInclusionRequest ->> that's what I came up with [19:48] Lex79: got a second? [19:53] Quintasan: for that ^ ? [19:53] Lex79: no [19:54] Lex79: I'm fighting with social from the start patch :/ [19:55] Lex79: http://pastebin.com/f65fd897f <-- patch [19:56] Lex79: http://pastebin.ca/1703379 <-- bug, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better to leave this section as it was and chage the rest [19:58] Quintasan: keep the original patch and make it disable for now, we should rewrite that patch [19:58] hmm okay [20:01] Quintasan: don't forget to add in changelog which we have to rewrite causes ftbs [20:02] Quintasan: We are going to look at bangarang for KNR. [20:05] Lex79: I did :) [20:05] I can't build kdepim without kdebase-runtime since it's required by kdepim-runtime and with a lower version of pim-runtime much stuff of kdepim gone [20:05] ScottK: Good, I hope it will be ready by then because it certainly looks interesting [20:06] looking kdebindings now, I'm sure will be ftbs :) [20:09] JontheEchidna: How comes your abbreviated version of runtime so we can move things along? [20:10] lucid will be kde 4.3 or 4.4? [20:10] 4.4 [20:10] thats what i thought [20:10] popey said he'd heard 4.3 so i had to check [20:12] It's the latest KDE which exists at the time [20:13] ScottK: JontheEchidnan needs libssh in main to build runtime, without that we haven't sftp kioslave in runtime [20:13] hisoraiclly we ship on the last thursday of the month so we normally ship anywhere from a few days to two weeks before the KDE 4.x.3 ships [20:14] Lex79: I know, but he was also working on disabling phonon stuff for now [20:21] maco: did you review minitube? [20:22] neversfelde: not the updated one [20:22] maco: it is only a bugfix release, there should be no changes [20:26] were there any problems with the package? [20:28] bug 492905 needs a sponsor [20:28] Launchpad bug 492905 in kmess "New upstream release 2.0.2" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/492905 [20:28] ScottK: how's MIR? Did I forget anything? [20:28] Quintasan: Looks OK. [20:29] workspace list-missing down to 22. [20:29] * ScottK takes a break. [20:38] is there a chance that the kde 4.4 beta will make it into lucid? (for testing) [20:38] yofel: Yes, but probably not today. [20:38] ScottK: ok, till end of the week or longer? [20:39] I'd guess certainly within a week. [20:39] ok, thanks! [20:39] Probably a day or three. [20:44] neversfelde: you have to switch from libqt4-phonon-dev to libphonon-dev in kmess [20:52] Lex79: oh, yes. I always forget about that [20:53] http://www.nixternal.com/files/konqsysinfo.png <-- purty [21:09] Lex79: should I change liblancelot0.install to liblancelot1.install if library filename is liblancelot.so.1.7.0 now? [21:17] Lex79: uploaded a corrected version [21:18] ScottK: oh, crippling phonon was easy. I've uploaded an sftp-less version to the ppa to move things along [21:18] Great. [21:20] JontheEchidna: We ought to consider putting it in the archive this way while these issues get sorted out if things are otherwise ready. [21:20] Yes, I think that would be acceptable too [21:20] Lex79: Is Qt 4.6.0 ready? Did fabo upload it to Debian yet and did you look at what he did? [21:21] Getting close on workspace. [21:21] BBIAB [21:21] upstream has quite a few caveats for its release. what's a few more for a first alpha gonna do [21:21] *first beta [21:23] * JontheEchidna kicks off kdebase [21:42] JontheEchidna: what is a crippled Phonon capable of? [21:44] of not having the phonon config module in systemsettings [21:47] JontheEchidna: but phonon will still work? [21:47] dunno [21:47] I broke my phonon install before all this, so I'm not sure [21:48] oh . what happened? [21:49] Qt 4.6 rc was binary incompatible with stuff built against 4.6 beta, and I had happened to be testing phonon stuff built against 4.6 beta [21:49] Ah me too [21:51] so yeah, stuff using phonon has been crashing for me for a bit now [21:53] usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-applet-opendesktop-activities/plasma-applet-opendesktop-activities.notifyrc [21:53] where should this land? plasma-widget-addons.install? [21:55] sounds right [21:55] LOLOLOLOL [21:55] JontheEchidna: should qt final work better? 4.4 beta 1 will be built against 4.6 final ? [21:56] marble wallpapers FTBFS - NormalQuality should be Normal instead :D [21:56] patch'd [21:57] Daskreech: well, stuff built against 4.6 beta still needs to be rebuilt regardless. But yes, 4.4 beta is being built against 4.6.0, and once the phonon backends can be built they'll be built against 4.6.0 [21:57] OK [22:47] Lex79: your packaging speed never ceases to amaze me :O === lubyou_ is now known as lubyou [23:12] JontheEchidna: Just pushed ppa2 for workspace. Should have list-missing + nothing. Still doing a local build to check. [23:16] nice [23:16] grr, missed an sftp file in the .installs [23:24] JontheEchidna: I'm also going to upload Qt 4.6.0 [23:38]