[00:21] qq .. is it true that xubuntu 9.10 doesn't use pulseaudio by default? and if so, what does it use? just ALSA? [00:26] Just ALSA [00:27] No Pulse, thank god. [00:29] If you WANT Pulse, it should be trivial to install. [00:32] oh, no, not at all [00:32] having all sorts of silly audio problems in plain old 9.10 [00:32] not completely sure it isn't ALSA related tho .. going to try to find out. =] [00:32] Sememmon, What's the issue? [00:33] grabled sound in games mostly.. native or in wine. [00:33] a lot of ratelimit messages [00:33] hmm [00:33] yeah that does sound it could be a pulse issue. [00:33] sounds seem okay when playing system sounds or video/music. [00:33] and everything was more or less fine in 8.10. [00:34] You can remove Pulse from standard issue Ubuntu AFAIK [00:34] yeah, that's what I'm going to try first before switching to xubuntu =] [00:34] I kinda miss xfce anyway. [00:34] Yeah, XFce is great. [00:34] =] [00:34] I'd need to compizify it tho.. [00:35] XFwm4 has a built in compositor. [00:35] it's not as fancy as compiz, obviously, but you get the bonus of true xfce integration [00:36] that would indeed be nice [00:36] but I dunno if I can live w/o my wobblyness. [00:36] ;) [00:36] I actually HATE that. [00:36] haha [00:37] I like it .. for some dumb reason. [00:37] I can see the novelty value of it... then quickly disable it. [00:37] o_o [00:37] although really I use scale and expo more than anything.. [00:37] I can't stand that foe the same reason I think Windows 7 and OS X are ugly as sin. [00:37] I forget.. does xfce support alt+leftclick window dragging? [00:37] yes [00:37] thought it did.. [00:40] jar: ty for the info btw =] [00:40] * Sememmon will likely switch. [00:41] :) [00:41] Np [00:41] Woo! My SNES flash cart arrived. [00:42] mm.. SNES.. those were good days. [00:42] A guy makes these carts that have compact flash slots in them. [00:42] You put ROMs on the card [00:42] and play on the system [00:43] :) [00:43] nice =] [00:43] My mom got it for me for X-Mas. [00:43] I just handed it back to wrap up for the tree. [00:44] * Sememmon doesn't have an SNES anymore. [00:44] plenty of roms tho. [00:44] hehe [00:44] http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=84 [00:44] That's the page for it. [00:44] very slick. [00:45] I want to get the NES version too. [00:45] hm.. a decent list of unsupported titles =\ [00:46] only a couple on the list I'd have wanted to play tho. [00:47] Sememmon, It's kinda hard to support everything in a cart based world. [00:48] A TON of games included custom chips. [00:48] * Sememmon nods. [00:48] My mom spent the extra $11 for the DSP chip. [00:48] When buying a $140 cart.. might as well. [00:49] * Sememmon nods [00:49] * Sememmon 's head falls off [00:49] o_o [00:49] That's not good, sir. [00:49] Too much nodding. [00:49] that's a pretty slick site. They have a lot of cool stuff. [00:49] haha [00:49] Yeah :) [00:50] I love the stuff, the guy who runs it is a great person too. [00:50] Happy to support him. [00:50] looks like he does good quality work. [00:51] Indeed, I'm shocked how well made my cart is. [00:51] He makes the actual plastic molding too. [00:51] figured, I saw the empty carts.. [00:51] guess he took a mold of an existing one and fabbed a bunch of a clear ones =] [00:52] Yeah, a few years ago people decided they were tired of having to destroy old games to mod them, etc. [00:52] I was in to neo geo MVS stuff for a bit.. one guy did a similar thing for boxes for the carts. [00:52] ... really should finish that someday. [00:52] Oh man. [00:52] Neo Geo [00:53] Metal Slug ftw [00:53] yeah =] [00:53] Also, KoF. [00:53] mhmm [00:53] Great series. [00:53] If I remember right. [00:53] SamSho is the main reason I got in to it tho. [00:53] Neo Geo had an EPIC version of Super Dodgeball [00:53] Indeed. [00:53] Still haven't picked that up on MVS yet. [00:53] I'm only 21 so I missed out on a lot of the Neo Geo stuff. [00:53] :( [00:53] its still out there =] [00:54] or you could stop by and jam on my cabinet if you're ever in phoenix. [00:54] :) [00:54] the stuff for the home system is still mad expensive tho. [00:54] MVS is so much cheaper. [00:54] Yeah, I looked. [00:54] @_@ [00:54] The two cabinets I want once I get my own place is a MVS and Robotron: 2084 [00:54] robotron! [00:54] wow.. [00:55] I had the Atari 7800 version and would play for hours. [00:55] I used to play that on commodore =] [00:55] good times. [00:55] I love my C64 [00:55] Still have it, complete with monitor. [00:55] nice [00:55] #xubuntu-offtopic please [00:55] woops. [00:55] sorry to be such an ass, but you are really filling the channel up with offtopic stuff :) [00:56] haha no problem. although no one else is talking at least, so we're not interrupting. =] [00:56] although I can't join any more chans w/o parting one. =( [00:56] Is offtopic in the topic here? [00:56] If not, it should be. [00:56] don't see it [00:56] -offtopic is quite empty [00:56] that might be why [00:56] jar, it is. [00:56] Oh? [00:57] jar, empty, i mean [00:57] We should add the info to the topic. [00:57] \o/ [00:57] I had to whois someone to find out about it. === knome changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | Xubuntu 9.10 is out! Download, Share it, Seed it! | Get Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | Need help and no one around? Get in on the mailing list action at http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Offtopic: #xubuntu-offtopic [00:57] Thank you, knome. [00:57] jar, you're welcome [00:57] :) [00:59] definitely a much quieter place than #ubuntu [00:59] * Sememmon thinks he likes it here. [00:59] Sememmon, If you decide to stick around - maybe you'd be interested in joining the mailing lists? [00:59] They're getting very lively! [00:59] :) [00:59] Possibly. I don't normally do mailing lists tho. [00:59] I prefer mailing lists to forums, honestly. [00:59] or forums (other than searching) =| [01:00] * Sememmon likes wikis tho! [01:00] I'm not the biggest fan of forums. [01:00] Wikis are only good for presenting information, not so much for active discussions. [01:00] I'm more interested in the info than the discussion. ;) [01:01] I think that's actually a problem with Xubuntu. [01:01] Not enough voices. [01:01] where are the release notes hiding for xubuntu? [01:01] Hm. [01:01] You know, I'm not sure.. [01:03] Cyber_Akuma-Lapt: omy [01:03] woah, ho sem [01:03] hi* [01:03] lol hi [01:03] Didn't know you used xubuntu too, heh [01:03] small world. [01:03] small distro XD [01:03] i don't, yet. [01:03] thinking about switching tho. [01:04] Anyway, I just wanted to check if xubuntu has a built in burner and torrent program that will work off the livecd [01:04] Sememmon: from? [01:04] Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, Yes. [01:04] It includes Transmission and Brasero [01:04] great, thanks :) [01:04] Cyber_Akuma-Lapt: plain old ubuntu (die, pulseaudio!) [01:04] Np :) [01:04] heh [01:05] oh yay, the ubuntu -> xubuntu instructions even include apt-get remove for pulse. [01:05] i think I might just have to give it a whirl this weekend. [01:06] My friend has no other pcs, so he has to download his windows reinstaller disk on his infected system, I didn't want to risk the incredibly small chance that the virus could infect the iso, so I figured the virus coulden't possibly do any harm to the xubuntu disk, so he could boot into a xubuntu livecd, download the iso to a flashdrive, then burn it from ubuntu [01:06] jar: lemme know if you find those release notes. [01:07] I'm not a very experienced livecd user.. but if you boot from livecd and the system has only one cdrom drive, can you unmount after booting to switch to a blank and do the burn? [01:07] I just remember having the system hit the cd as the system was being used .. ie: simply browsing through the menus. [01:07] (not xubuntu livecd in specific, but livecds in general) [01:08] .... good point [01:08] Sememmon, You'd need a live distro that installs to a ramdisk to do that. [01:08] A normal live cd does not offer that functionality. [01:08] damn [01:09] However. [01:09] If you're on a livedisk you can save items to a linux writeable filesystem and use the USB creator. [01:11] You need a scratchdisk to create a boot usb from within the livecd? [01:12] Well depending on the amount of RAM you have.. [01:13] * Sememmon really needs to join less channels. [01:14] s/less/fewer [01:14] hmm, so if you have enough it can just create the usb drive without needing a temp area on disk to write files? Or do you mean setting a part of the ram as a ramdisk? [01:16] * Cyber_Akuma-Lapt kicks Google [01:16] stop asking "did you mean ubuntu?" whenever I type in xubuntu >.< [01:16] lol [01:17] Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, If you boot a live disk with no hard drive it will save the temp files to your RAM. [01:17] So if you have 256MB of RAM. [01:17] And download a 700mb ISO. [01:17] You're SOL. [01:17] he has a usb drive to download the iso to [01:17] if he's going to be reinstalling his system anyway, why not just nuke the partitions while on the livecd? [01:17] Though I suppose he could use the hdd too if xubuntu 9.10 has no problems writing to a ntfs drive [01:18] then you can use taht space for a bit. [01:18] I'm not sure if 9.10 or any release comes with ntfs-3g tbqh. [01:18] heh [01:18] Hm. [01:18] I do indeed seem to have ntfs-3g. [01:18] my ubuntu system has no problem writing to ntfs. [01:18] * Sememmon uses it all the time. [01:18] Is there an automated process to create the boot usb [01:18] ? [01:19] Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, There's a graphical app to do it for you. [01:19] Actually, this is a lot of hassle, itll take longer, but I think itll be better to just install xubuntu, boot to it, download and burn the windows iso, then install that [01:19] he dosen't care about any of the files on his windows install [01:19] that'd work =] [01:19] http://compadre.dk/blog/wp-content/usb-creator.png [01:19] Xubuntu comes with that utility. [01:21] Hmm, now I just need to think of a way to keep in contact with him while xubuntu and windows are installing [01:21] Xubuntu [01:21] er [01:21] Jar: nifty :) [01:21] Xubuntu's live disk comes with Pidgin. [01:21] He should be able to IM you from it. [01:21] while its installing [01:21] yes. [01:21] and while windows is installing too XD [01:21] Hm. [01:22] Windows isn't that smart. ;) [01:22] :P [01:22] Yeah, I hate how its the only major os now that still cant boot from usb [01:22] Well, to be fair, I don't think OS X allows for that either. [01:22] it does :) [01:22] when I was upgrading my mac mini's hdd [01:22] If you take Hackintosh into consideration you have to take hacked XP iso's too. [01:22] Which actually CAN. [01:23] I put the new drive in a sata dock, plugged it in, and used carbon copy cloner to clone the internal hdd to the one connected by usb [01:23] Then I was able to reboot and boot right off the usb drive, no hacking even required [01:23] Hm, but doesn't that alter the kernel in a fairly significant way? [01:23] Or was before? [01:23] It was a direct clone of the internal sata drive to an external sata drive connected by usb [01:24] No data wa smodified at all [01:24] yet it still botted just fine :) [01:24] No, I meant the original OS install. [01:24] I did it to check that the copy was a success [01:24] ? [01:24] It was a clean installof snow leopard I did a few months ago [01:24] Was the internal SATA drive's OSX install vanilla? [01:24] To a Mac or PC? [01:24] Well, like a week after it came out [01:24] to a mac [01:24] Hm, gotcha. [01:25] I reformatted and did a clean install of snow leopard to my mac mini [01:25] I think the machine would twitch and die at this point. [01:25] bout 2 weeks ago I connected a drive by usb and cloned the internal to the external usb one, and it booted off the usb one with no modifications needed [01:25] Apple officially removed Atom support. [01:25] jar: Regarding xubuntu having no pulseaudio .. have you ever run in to a situation where an app had exclusive use of the sound card such that some other app wanting to output sound wasn't able to? [01:25] jar: I thought they re-added Atom support? [01:25] Sememmon, Not in several years. [01:25] =] [01:26] that's good to hear. [01:26] Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, No - a Hackintosh developer introduced the patches through the OSS version of Darwin. [01:26] i was under the impression that that was part of the motivation for pulseaudio in the first place. [01:26] It's an entirely new kernel at that point. [01:26] Sememmon, ALSA and OSS4 fixed those issues a long time ago. [01:26] Hmm... good to know. [01:26] OSS3 was bad about that, though. [01:26] For some reason, I thought ALSA still was. [01:26] =] [01:27] especially with firefox + flash. [01:27] The only time I've had that issue was with an old old old sound card on a "manual" distro. [01:27] The ALSA system in *buntu integrates dmix by default .. I think. [01:27] So even if your card doesn't support multiple channels with hardware, it should emulate it for you. [01:28] Honestly, I have no idea which I am using. [01:28] I have an onboard card and ALSA handles multiple sources great. [01:28] I failed miserably to get this laptop to attempt to run as a hackintosh [01:29] My netbook just runs Xubuntu. [01:29] Though big surprise since all the hardware sucks, I coudl barely get it to work in Vista [01:29] lol [01:29] and its a amd/ati system to boot [01:29] Ew. [01:29] jar: good to hear. I hope ubuntu gets their pulseaudio business straightened out soon. [01:29] The wifi card is pure crap [01:29] GEt this [01:29] I went to the manufacturer's homepage for drivers [01:29] EVERY one of their products had three categories for drivers windows, macos, and linux [01:29] EXCEPT mine, mine was the only one with two categories [01:29] windows, macos [01:29] >.< [01:29] Sememmon, Far be it from me to slander Ubuntu in ANY way, but they seem to be leaving their original goals of supports user software in favor of GNOME software. [01:30] Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, Ack. [01:30] Ubbuntu 9.04 and above run fine [01:30] 8.04 was useless [01:30] GUbuntu/ =] [01:30] no vidoe acceleration, no sound, no wifi... [01:30] ? =] [01:30] actuallly... [01:30] IIRC, ATI broke support in 9.20 >.< [01:30] 9.10* [01:30] I'm still pretty shocked Ubuntu went against all the user feedback and is sticking with Empathy over Pidgin. [01:31] My mom uses Ubuntu and I have de-gnome-ify some of the apps. [01:31] Remove Evolution, install Thunderbird. Remove Empathy, install Pidgin, etc. [01:32] that was pretty surprising. [01:32] * Sememmon shrugs. [01:33] well, bbl. [01:33] Later. [01:33] :) [01:33] The way the discussion went on the forum honestly left a bad taste in my mouth.. [01:34] Basically it went, "we're including empathy no matter what everyone wants and if you continue to demand pidgin we're going to lock these threads" [01:34] Which is just silly. [01:35] Hmm.... can you remote into a livecd without much trouble? [01:36] Should be able to. [01:36] The live CD environment is almost exactly the same as a default install. [01:36] What does it come with? VLC? [01:36] You mean VNC? [01:36] VLC is the media player app. [01:37] oops, yeah XD [01:37] was having problems with vlc on my xp desktop, im used to saying it XD [01:37] not sure bout VNC but ssh works on live cds [01:37] I don't think Xubuntu ships with any remote access servers enabled by default, I could be wrong. Anything could be added easily. [01:37] C00LARR01, Is the SSH server enabled/installed by default? [01:38] I was under the impression only the client was. [01:38] i havent used the live cd in awhile but last time i did both parts were there [01:38] I am not good enough to use only a terminal [01:38] I would need to control the gui for him [01:38] Im still learning linux myself [01:39] At least not good enough to install xubuntu from a terminal [01:39] well you could install vnc via ssh and then remote in after that [01:39] You'd need to install the VNC daemon after the live environment was initialized then. [01:39] you can just use the package manager for that right? [01:39] Yes. [01:40] Then he just needs to setup a password, then I try to connect to his ip through my vnc client? and a windows vnc client cna connect to a linux vnc server right? [01:40] Yes, that should work fine. [01:47] BTW, he said his system has 512 megs of ram, if he chooeses to dualboot so he has a backup os in case windows gets hosed again, how large should I make the swap? 512? or larger? === ron_o is now known as Grille_Head [01:56] anyone still there? :) [02:14] does anyone kow why an agp nvidia card would conflict with bootable usb? [02:16] I am having trouble where writing to the usb flash drive I booted from is broken when using an agp nvidia card [02:16] works when using a pci card [02:17] join /kubuntu [04:03] I have a couple of questions in case anyone is around === LinPunk is now known as Macpunk [04:04] What kind of questions? === Macpunk is now known as Punk === Punk is now known as LinPunk [04:12] jar, partitioning [04:12] Sure, go ahead. [04:12] So I got a new laptop that already has 4 primary partitions. [04:12] I don't want to destroy the recovery partition, and I'm pretty sure I need to leave the HP_TOOLS partition alone. [04:12] And the other two are for the OS and Files? [04:14] one is for Windows, the other is the boot partition [04:14] I want to install Xubuntu and dual boot Windows and Linux [04:15] Ah, gotcha. [04:15] yeah, sorry for my roundabout way of explaining that :P [04:16] It's fine. [04:16] Now, perhaps I'm dense.. [04:16] but what's the question? [04:16] :) [04:16] nevermind, sorry to bother you, I have to go now =\ [04:16] thanks though :-) [04:17] o_o [04:27] haha, got it to work, I'm back jar, in case you don't mind helping me still :-) [04:27] :) [05:24] is it possible to share internet via bluetooth from windows xp to xubuntu? [05:32] Like an ad-hoc network? [05:34] likemindead: I have 2 usb bluetooth radios and I want to use them to share the internet of my xp pc with a xubuntu pc [05:35] !bluetooth [05:35] For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup [05:35] That might help? I've never used Bluetooth. :-\ [05:36] oh [05:36] yup I can configure everything else but I'm having trouble pairing one pc with another [06:32] hi iknonia [06:34] hi Sysi!!!1 [06:35] opppps imeant ikonia....howdo [06:45] morning [06:46] yes it is 146 am here [06:50] just got off work a couple hours ago... [07:04] Hey guys, how large would you recommend I make the swap partition in Xubuntu on a 512 meg laptop? and would 5 gigs be enough to install xubuntu and mostcommonely used apps on? [07:05] Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, Hey again. [07:05] yo again [07:05] Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, The general rule of thumb with swap is RAM * 2 = Swap [07:05] ok, so 1gb swap [07:05] 5 gigs is enough for xubuntu + apps.. will probably leave about .. 2 gigs for personal data. [07:05] I have 8GiB free with Xubuntu installed. [07:06] Uh, 8GiB used* [07:06] i've had xubuntu and pretty much programs in 4gb [07:06] However, 1.6GiB of that is used for the swap. [07:07] i've had xubu with 512mb ram without swap [07:07] Heh. [07:07] I cannot recommend 512MB RAM with no swap. [07:07] It'd be irresponsible to recommend that. [07:07] you shouldn't need swap never [07:07] You'd almost certainly experience problems. [07:07] i don't recommend that either [07:08] Sysi, You shouldn't need life insurance either. [07:08] but been there, done that [07:08] I need the swap even with 2GiB. [07:08] Xubuntu doesn't use more than 130MiB of it, but it still uses it at times. [07:08] I'd be toast if my netbook didn't have a swap partition. [07:08] me too, when i was moving my home partition [07:08] And it has 1GB of ram. [07:09] that was on netbook [07:09] But then again, I have Second Life running most of the time and that eats a good 600MiB to 1.1GiB. [07:09] I always recommend RAM * 2 = SWAP [07:09] that's good [07:09] you can also do with less, actually [07:09] I used to do that on Windows. [07:10] But I find 1.6GiB, as Xubuntu recommends, is more than enough. [07:10] i didnt mean to start a fight.... [07:10] Nobody is fighting ;) [07:10] this isn't [07:10] Oh this isn't a fight. [07:10] lol [07:10] :D [07:10] A fight would require an op. :D [07:10] rofl [07:11] :P [07:11] ofc we could start real flamewar [07:11] An epic fight would be Torvalds v Tennenbauma [07:11] Er [07:11] when i loadi always give the entire HD to the distro i install...is that ok? [07:11] Tenenbaum [07:11] Balsaq, Sure. [07:11] gui vs cli? nano vs vi? [07:11] XD [07:11] Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, I doubt anyone would have a flame war over GUI vs CLI [07:11] It's universally accepted that a mixture is best. [07:12]