[00:21] <Sememmon> qq .. is it true that xubuntu 9.10 doesn't use pulseaudio by default? and if so, what does it use? just ALSA?
[00:26] <jar> Just ALSA
[00:27] <jar> No Pulse, thank god.
[00:29] <jar> If you WANT Pulse, it should be trivial to install.
[00:32] <Sememmon> oh, no, not at all
[00:32] <Sememmon> having all sorts of silly audio problems in plain old 9.10
[00:32] <Sememmon> not completely sure it isn't ALSA related tho .. going to try to find out. =]
[00:32] <jar> Sememmon, What's the issue?
[00:33] <Sememmon> grabled sound in games mostly.. native or in wine.
[00:33] <Sememmon> a lot of ratelimit messages
[00:33] <jar> hmm
[00:33] <jar> yeah that does sound it could be a pulse issue.
[00:33] <Sememmon> sounds seem okay when playing system sounds or video/music.
[00:33] <Sememmon> and everything was more or less fine in 8.10.
[00:34] <jar> You can remove Pulse from standard issue Ubuntu AFAIK
[00:34] <Sememmon> yeah, that's what I'm going to try first before switching to xubuntu =]
[00:34] <Sememmon> I kinda miss xfce anyway.
[00:34] <jar> Yeah, XFce is great.
[00:34] <Sememmon> =]
[00:34] <Sememmon> I'd need to compizify it tho..
[00:35] <jar> XFwm4 has a built in compositor.
[00:35] <jar> it's not as fancy as compiz, obviously, but you get the bonus of true xfce integration
[00:36] <Sememmon> that would indeed be nice
[00:36] <Sememmon> but I dunno if I can live w/o my wobblyness.
[00:36] <Sememmon> ;)
[00:36] <jar> I actually HATE that.
[00:36] <Sememmon> haha
[00:37] <Sememmon> I like it .. for some dumb reason.
[00:37] <jar> I can see the novelty value of it... then quickly disable it.
[00:37] <jar> o_o
[00:37] <Sememmon> although really I use scale and expo more than anything..
[00:37] <jar> I can't stand that foe the same reason I think Windows 7 and OS X are ugly as sin.
[00:37] <Sememmon> I forget.. does xfce support alt+leftclick window dragging?
[00:37] <jar> yes
[00:37] <Sememmon> thought it did..
[00:40] <Sememmon> jar: ty for the info btw =]
[00:40]  * Sememmon will likely switch.
[00:41] <jar> :)
[00:41] <jar> Np
[00:41] <jar> Woo! My SNES flash cart arrived.
[00:42] <Sememmon> mm.. SNES.. those were good days.
[00:42] <jar> A guy makes these carts that have compact flash slots in them.
[00:42] <jar> You put ROMs on the card
[00:42] <jar> and play on the system
[00:43] <jar> :)
[00:43] <Sememmon> nice =]
[00:43] <jar> My mom got it for me for X-Mas.
[00:43] <jar> I just handed it back to wrap up for the tree.
[00:44]  * Sememmon doesn't have an SNES anymore.
[00:44] <Sememmon> plenty of roms tho.
[00:44] <jar> hehe
[00:44] <jar> http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=84
[00:44] <jar> That's the page for it.
[00:44] <Sememmon> very slick.
[00:45] <jar> I want to get the NES version too.
[00:45] <Sememmon> hm.. a decent list of unsupported titles =\
[00:46] <Sememmon> only a couple on the list I'd have wanted to play tho.
[00:47] <jar> Sememmon, It's kinda hard to support everything in a cart based world.
[00:48] <jar> A TON of games included custom chips.
[00:48]  * Sememmon nods.
[00:48] <jar> My mom spent the extra $11 for the DSP chip.
[00:48] <jar> When buying a $140 cart.. might as well.
[00:49]  * Sememmon nods
[00:49]  * Sememmon 's head falls off
[00:49] <jar> o_o
[00:49] <jar> That's not good, sir.
[00:49] <Sememmon> Too much nodding.
[00:49] <Sememmon> that's a pretty slick site. They have a lot of cool stuff.
[00:49] <jar> haha
[00:49] <jar> Yeah :)
[00:50] <jar> I love the stuff, the guy who runs it is a great person too.
[00:50] <jar> Happy to support him.
[00:50] <Sememmon> looks like he does good quality work.
[00:51] <jar> Indeed, I'm shocked how well made my cart is.
[00:51] <jar> He makes the actual plastic molding too.
[00:51] <Sememmon> figured, I saw the empty carts..
[00:51] <Sememmon> guess he took a mold of an existing one and fabbed a bunch of a clear ones =]
[00:52] <jar> Yeah, a few years ago people decided they were tired of having to destroy old games to mod them, etc.
[00:52] <Sememmon> I was in to neo geo MVS stuff for a bit.. one guy did a similar thing for boxes for the carts.
[00:52] <Sememmon> ... really should finish that someday.
[00:52] <jar> Oh man.
[00:52] <jar> Neo Geo
[00:53] <jar> Metal Slug ftw
[00:53] <Sememmon> yeah =]
[00:53] <jar> Also, KoF.
[00:53] <Sememmon> mhmm
[00:53] <jar> Great series.
[00:53] <jar> If I remember right.
[00:53] <Sememmon> SamSho is the main reason I got in to it tho.
[00:53] <jar> Neo Geo had an EPIC version of Super Dodgeball
[00:53] <Sememmon> Indeed.
[00:53] <Sememmon> Still haven't picked that up on MVS yet.
[00:53] <jar> I'm only 21 so I missed out on a lot of the Neo Geo stuff.
[00:53] <jar> :(
[00:53] <Sememmon> its still out there =]
[00:54] <Sememmon> or you could stop by and jam on my cabinet if you're ever in phoenix.
[00:54] <jar> :)
[00:54] <Sememmon> the stuff for the home system is still mad expensive tho.
[00:54] <Sememmon> MVS is so much cheaper.
[00:54] <jar> Yeah, I looked.
[00:54] <jar> @_@
[00:54] <jar> The two cabinets I want once I get my own place is a MVS and Robotron: 2084
[00:54] <Sememmon> robotron!
[00:54] <Sememmon> wow..
[00:55] <jar> I had the Atari 7800 version and would play for hours.
[00:55] <Sememmon> I used to play that on commodore =]
[00:55] <Sememmon> good times.
[00:55] <jar> I love my C64
[00:55] <jar> Still have it, complete with monitor.
[00:55] <Sememmon> nice
[00:55] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic please
[00:55] <Sememmon> woops.
[00:55] <knome> sorry to be such an ass, but you are really filling the channel up with offtopic stuff :)
[00:56] <Sememmon> haha no problem. although no one else is talking at least, so we're not interrupting. =]
[00:56] <Sememmon> although I can't join any more chans w/o parting one. =(
[00:56] <jar> Is offtopic in the topic here?
[00:56] <jar> If not, it should be.
[00:56] <Sememmon> don't see it
[00:56] <jar> -offtopic is quite empty
[00:56] <jar> that might be why
[00:56] <knome> jar, it is.
[00:56] <jar> Oh?
[00:57] <knome> jar, empty, i mean
[00:57] <jar> We should add the info to the topic.
[00:57] <Sememmon> \o/
[00:57] <jar> I had to whois someone to find out about it.
[00:57] <jar> Thank you, knome.
[00:57] <knome> jar, you're welcome
[00:57] <jar> :)
[00:59] <Sememmon> definitely a much quieter place than #ubuntu
[00:59]  * Sememmon thinks he likes it here.
[00:59] <jar> Sememmon, If you decide to stick around - maybe you'd be interested in joining the mailing lists?
[00:59] <jar> They're getting very lively!
[00:59] <jar> :)
[00:59] <Sememmon> Possibly. I don't normally do mailing lists tho.
[00:59] <jar> I prefer mailing lists to forums, honestly.
[00:59] <Sememmon> or forums (other than searching) =|
[01:00]  * Sememmon likes wikis tho!
[01:00] <jar> I'm not the biggest fan of forums.
[01:00] <jar> Wikis are only good for presenting information, not so much for active discussions.
[01:00] <Sememmon> I'm more interested in the info than the discussion. ;)
[01:01] <jar> I think that's actually a problem with Xubuntu.
[01:01] <jar> Not enough voices.
[01:01] <Sememmon> where are the release notes hiding for xubuntu?
[01:01] <jar> Hm.
[01:01] <jar> You know, I'm not sure..
[01:03] <Sememmon> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt: omy
[01:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> woah, ho sem
[01:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> hi*
[01:03] <Sememmon> lol hi
[01:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Didn't know you used xubuntu too, heh
[01:03] <Sememmon> small world.
[01:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> small distro XD
[01:03] <Sememmon> i don't, yet.
[01:03] <Sememmon> thinking about switching tho.
[01:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Anyway, I just wanted to check if xubuntu has a built in burner and torrent program that will work off the livecd
[01:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Sememmon: from?
[01:04] <jar> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, Yes.
[01:04] <jar> It includes Transmission and Brasero
[01:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> great, thanks :)
[01:04] <Sememmon> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt: plain old ubuntu (die, pulseaudio!)
[01:04] <jar> Np :)
[01:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> heh
[01:05] <Sememmon> oh yay, the ubuntu -> xubuntu instructions even include apt-get remove for pulse.
[01:05] <Sememmon> i think I might just have to give it a whirl this weekend.
[01:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> My friend has no other pcs, so he has to download his windows reinstaller disk on his infected system, I didn't want to risk the incredibly small chance that the virus could infect the iso, so I figured the virus coulden't possibly do any harm to the xubuntu disk, so he could boot into a xubuntu livecd, download the iso to a flashdrive, then burn it from ubuntu
[01:06] <Sememmon> jar: lemme know if you find those release notes.
[01:07] <Sememmon> I'm not a very experienced livecd user.. but if you boot from livecd and the system has only one cdrom drive, can you unmount after booting to switch to a blank and do the burn?
[01:07] <Sememmon> I just remember having the system hit the cd as the system was being used .. ie: simply browsing through the menus.
[01:07] <Sememmon> (not xubuntu livecd in specific, but livecds in general)
[01:08] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> .... good point
[01:08] <jar> Sememmon, You'd need a live distro that installs to a ramdisk to do that.
[01:08] <jar> A normal live cd does not offer that functionality.
[01:08] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> damn
[01:09] <jar> However.
[01:09] <jar> If you're on a livedisk you can save items to a linux writeable filesystem and use the USB creator.
[01:11] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> You need a scratchdisk to create a boot usb from within the livecd?
[01:12] <jar> Well depending on the amount of RAM you have..
[01:13]  * Sememmon really needs to join less channels.
[01:14] <Sememmon> s/less/fewer
[01:14] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> hmm, so if you have enough it can just create the usb drive without needing a temp area on disk to write files? Or do you mean setting a part of the ram as a ramdisk?
[01:16]  * Cyber_Akuma-Lapt kicks Google
[01:16] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> stop asking "did you mean ubuntu?" whenever I type in xubuntu >.<
[01:16] <jar> lol
[01:17] <jar> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, If you boot a live disk with no hard drive it will save the temp files to your RAM.
[01:17] <jar> So if you have 256MB of RAM.
[01:17] <jar> And download a 700mb ISO.
[01:17] <jar> You're SOL.
[01:17] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> he has a usb drive to download the iso to
[01:17] <Sememmon> if he's going to be reinstalling his system anyway, why not just nuke the partitions while on the livecd?
[01:17] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Though I suppose he could use the hdd too if xubuntu 9.10 has no problems writing to a ntfs drive
[01:18] <Sememmon> then you can use taht space for a bit.
[01:18] <jar> I'm not sure if 9.10 or any release comes with ntfs-3g tbqh.
[01:18] <jar> heh
[01:18] <jar> Hm.
[01:18] <jar> I do indeed seem to have ntfs-3g.
[01:18] <Sememmon> my ubuntu system has no problem writing to ntfs.
[01:18]  * Sememmon uses it all the time.
[01:18] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Is there an automated process to create the boot usb
[01:18] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ?
[01:19] <jar> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, There's a graphical app to do it for you.
[01:19] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Actually, this is a lot of hassle, itll take longer, but I think itll be better to just install xubuntu, boot to it, download and burn the windows iso, then install that
[01:19] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> he dosen't care about any of the files on his windows install
[01:19] <Sememmon> that'd work =]
[01:19] <jar> http://compadre.dk/blog/wp-content/usb-creator.png
[01:19] <jar> Xubuntu comes with that utility.
[01:21] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Hmm, now I just need to think of a way to keep in contact with him while xubuntu and windows are installing
[01:21] <jar> Xubuntu
[01:21] <jar> er
[01:21] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Jar: nifty :)
[01:21] <jar> Xubuntu's live disk comes with Pidgin.
[01:21] <jar> He should be able to IM you from it.
[01:21] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> while its installing
[01:21] <jar> yes.
[01:21] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> and while windows is installing too XD
[01:21] <jar> Hm.
[01:22] <jar> Windows isn't that smart. ;)
[01:22] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> :P
[01:22] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Yeah, I hate how its the only major os now that still cant boot from usb
[01:22] <jar> Well, to be fair, I don't think OS X allows for that either.
[01:22] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> it does :)
[01:22] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> when I was upgrading my mac mini's hdd
[01:22] <jar> If you take Hackintosh into consideration you have to take hacked XP iso's too.
[01:22] <jar> Which actually CAN.
[01:23] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I put the new drive in a sata dock, plugged it in, and used carbon copy cloner to clone the internal hdd to the one connected by usb
[01:23] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Then I was able to reboot and boot right off the usb drive, no hacking even required
[01:23] <jar> Hm, but doesn't that alter the kernel in a fairly significant way?
[01:23] <jar> Or was before?
[01:23] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> It was a direct clone of the internal sata drive to an external sata drive connected by usb
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> No data wa smodified at all
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> yet it still botted just fine :)
[01:24] <jar> No, I meant the original OS install.
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I did it to check that the copy was a success
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ?
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> It was a clean installof snow leopard I did a few months ago
[01:24] <jar> Was the internal SATA drive's OSX install vanilla?
[01:24] <jar> To a Mac or PC?
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Well, like a week after it came out
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> to a mac
[01:24] <jar> Hm, gotcha.
[01:25] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I reformatted and did a clean install of snow leopard to my mac mini
[01:25] <jar> I think the machine would twitch and die at this point.
[01:25] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> bout 2 weeks ago I connected a drive by usb and cloned the internal to the external usb one, and it booted off the usb one with no modifications needed
[01:25] <jar> Apple officially removed Atom support.
[01:25] <Sememmon> jar: Regarding xubuntu having no pulseaudio .. have you ever run in to a situation where an app had exclusive use of the sound card such that some other app wanting to output sound wasn't able to?
[01:25] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> jar: I thought they re-added Atom support?
[01:25] <jar> Sememmon, Not in several years.
[01:25] <Sememmon> =]
[01:26] <Sememmon> that's good to hear.
[01:26] <jar> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, No - a Hackintosh developer introduced the patches through the OSS version of Darwin.
[01:26] <Sememmon> i was under the impression that that was part of the motivation for pulseaudio in the first place.
[01:26] <jar> It's an entirely new kernel at that point.
[01:26] <jar> Sememmon, ALSA and OSS4 fixed those issues a long time ago.
[01:26] <Sememmon> Hmm... good to know.
[01:26] <jar> OSS3 was bad about that, though.
[01:26] <Sememmon> For some reason, I thought ALSA still was.
[01:26] <Sememmon> =]
[01:27] <Sememmon> especially with firefox + flash.
[01:27] <jar> The only time I've had that issue was with an old old old sound card on a "manual" distro.
[01:27] <jar> The ALSA system in *buntu integrates dmix by default .. I think.
[01:27] <jar> So even if your card doesn't support multiple channels with hardware, it should emulate it for you.
[01:28] <jar> Honestly, I have no idea which I am using.
[01:28] <jar> I have an onboard card and ALSA handles multiple sources great.
[01:28] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I failed miserably to get this laptop to attempt to run as a hackintosh
[01:29] <jar> My netbook just runs Xubuntu.
[01:29] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Though big surprise since all the hardware sucks, I coudl barely get it to work in Vista
[01:29] <jar> lol
[01:29] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> and its a amd/ati system to boot
[01:29] <jar> Ew.
[01:29] <Sememmon> jar: good to hear. I hope ubuntu gets their pulseaudio business straightened out soon.
[01:29] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> The wifi card is pure crap
[01:29] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> GEt this
[01:29] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I went to the manufacturer's homepage for drivers
[01:29] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> EVERY one of their products had three categories for drivers windows, macos, and linux
[01:29] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> EXCEPT mine, mine was the only one with two categories
[01:29] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> windows, macos
[01:29] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> >.<
[01:29] <jar> Sememmon, Far be it from me to slander Ubuntu in ANY way, but they seem to be leaving their original goals of supports user software in favor of GNOME software.
[01:30] <jar> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, Ack.
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Ubbuntu 9.04 and above run fine
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> 8.04 was useless
[01:30] <Sememmon> GUbuntu/ =]
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> no vidoe acceleration, no sound, no wifi...
[01:30] <Sememmon> ? =]
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> actuallly...
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> IIRC, ATI broke support in 9.20 >.<
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> 9.10*
[01:30] <jar> I'm still pretty shocked Ubuntu went against all the user feedback and is sticking with Empathy over Pidgin.
[01:31] <jar> My mom uses Ubuntu and I have de-gnome-ify some of the apps.
[01:31] <jar> Remove Evolution, install Thunderbird. Remove Empathy, install Pidgin, etc.
[01:32] <Sememmon> that was pretty surprising.
[01:32]  * Sememmon shrugs.
[01:33] <Sememmon> well, bbl.
[01:33] <jar> Later.
[01:33] <jar> :)
[01:33] <jar> The way the discussion went on the forum honestly left a bad taste in my mouth..
[01:34] <jar> Basically it went, "we're including empathy no matter what everyone wants and if you continue to demand pidgin we're going to lock these threads"
[01:34] <jar> Which is just silly.
[01:35] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Hmm.... can you remote into a livecd without much trouble?
[01:36] <jar> Should be able to.
[01:36] <jar> The live CD environment is almost exactly the same as a default install.
[01:36] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> What does it come with? VLC?
[01:36] <jar> You mean VNC?
[01:36] <jar> VLC is the media player app.
[01:37] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> oops, yeah XD
[01:37] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> was having problems with vlc on my xp desktop, im used to saying it XD
[01:37] <C00LARR01> not sure bout VNC but ssh works on live cds
[01:37] <jar> I don't think Xubuntu ships with any remote access servers enabled by default, I could be wrong. Anything could be added easily.
[01:37] <jar> C00LARR01, Is the SSH server enabled/installed by default?
[01:38] <jar> I was under the impression only the client was.
[01:38] <C00LARR01> i havent used the live cd in awhile but last time i did both parts were there
[01:38] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I am not good enough to use only a terminal
[01:38] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I would need to control the gui for him
[01:38] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Im still learning linux myself
[01:39] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> At least not good enough to install xubuntu from a terminal
[01:39] <C00LARR01> well you could install vnc via ssh and then remote in after that
[01:39] <jar> You'd need to install the VNC daemon after the live environment was initialized then.
[01:39] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> you can just use the package manager for that right?
[01:39] <jar> Yes.
[01:40] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Then he just needs to setup a password, then I try to connect to his ip through my vnc client? and a windows vnc client cna connect to a linux vnc server right?
[01:40] <jar> Yes, that should work fine.
[01:47] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> BTW, he said his system has 512 megs of ram, if he chooeses to dualboot so he has a backup os in case windows gets hosed again, how large should I make the swap? 512? or larger?
[01:56] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> anyone still there? :)
[02:14] <NetLife> does anyone kow why an agp nvidia card would conflict with bootable usb?
[02:16] <NetLife> I am having trouble where writing to the usb flash drive I booted from is broken when using an agp nvidia card
[02:16] <NetLife> works when using a pci card
[02:17] <NetLife> join /kubuntu
[04:03] <LinPunk> I have a couple of questions in case anyone is around
[04:04] <jar> What kind of questions?
[04:12] <LinPunk> jar, partitioning
[04:12] <jar> Sure, go ahead.
[04:12] <LinPunk> So I got a new laptop that already has 4 primary partitions.
[04:12] <LinPunk> I don't want to destroy the recovery partition, and I'm pretty sure I need to leave the HP_TOOLS partition alone.
[04:12] <jar> And the other two are for the OS and Files?
[04:14] <LinPunk> one is for Windows, the other is the boot partition
[04:14] <LinPunk> I want to install Xubuntu and dual boot Windows and Linux
[04:15] <jar> Ah, gotcha.
[04:15] <LinPunk> yeah, sorry for my roundabout way of explaining that :P
[04:16] <jar> It's fine.
[04:16] <jar> Now, perhaps I'm dense..
[04:16] <jar> but what's the question?
[04:16] <jar> :)
[04:16] <LinPunk> nevermind, sorry to bother you, I have to go now =\
[04:16] <LinPunk> thanks though :-)
[04:17] <jar> o_o
[04:27] <LinPunk> haha, got it to work, I'm back jar, in case you don't mind helping me still :-)
[04:27] <jar> :)
[05:24] <alokito> is it possible to share internet via bluetooth from windows xp to xubuntu?
[05:32] <likemindead> Like an ad-hoc network?
[05:34] <alokito> likemindead: I have 2 usb bluetooth radios and I want to use them to share the internet of my xp pc with a xubuntu pc
[05:35] <likemindead> !bluetooth
[05:35] <likemindead> That might help? I've never used Bluetooth. :-\
[05:36] <alokito> oh
[05:36] <alokito> yup I can configure everything else but I'm having trouble pairing one pc with another
[06:32] <Balsaq> hi iknonia
[06:34] <Balsaq> hi Sysi!!!1
[06:35] <Balsaq> opppps imeant ikonia....howdo
[06:45] <Sysi> morning
[06:46] <Balsaq> yes it is 146 am here
[06:50] <Balsaq> just got off work a couple hours ago...
[07:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Hey guys, how large would you recommend I make the swap partition in Xubuntu on a 512 meg laptop? and would 5 gigs be enough to install xubuntu and mostcommonely used apps on?
[07:05] <jar> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, Hey again.
[07:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> yo again
[07:05] <jar> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, The general rule of thumb with swap is RAM * 2 = Swap
[07:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ok, so 1gb swap
[07:05] <jar> 5 gigs is enough for xubuntu + apps.. will probably leave about .. 2 gigs for personal data.
[07:05] <Sahkolihaa> I have 8GiB free with Xubuntu installed.
[07:06] <Sahkolihaa> Uh, 8GiB used*
[07:06] <Sysi> i've had xubuntu and pretty much programs in 4gb
[07:06] <Sahkolihaa> However, 1.6GiB of that is used for the swap.
[07:07] <Sysi> i've had xubu with 512mb ram without swap
[07:07] <Sahkolihaa> Heh.
[07:07] <jar> I cannot recommend 512MB RAM with no swap.
[07:07] <jar> It'd be irresponsible to recommend that.
[07:07] <Sysi> you shouldn't need swap never
[07:07] <jar> You'd almost certainly experience problems.
[07:07] <Sysi> i don't recommend that either
[07:08] <jar> Sysi, You shouldn't need life insurance either.
[07:08] <Sysi> but been there, done that
[07:08] <Sahkolihaa> I need the swap even with 2GiB.
[07:08] <Sahkolihaa> Xubuntu doesn't use more than 130MiB of it, but it still uses it at times.
[07:08] <jar> I'd be toast if my netbook didn't have a swap partition.
[07:08] <Sysi> me too, when i was moving my home partition
[07:08] <jar> And it has 1GB of ram.
[07:09] <Sysi> that was on netbook
[07:09] <Sahkolihaa> But then again, I have Second Life running most of the time and that eats a good 600MiB to 1.1GiB.
[07:09] <jar> I always recommend RAM * 2 = SWAP
[07:09] <Sysi> that's good
[07:09] <Sysi> you can also do with less, actually
[07:09] <Sahkolihaa> I used to do that on Windows.
[07:10] <Sahkolihaa> But I find 1.6GiB, as Xubuntu recommends, is more than enough.
[07:10] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> i didnt mean to start a fight....
[07:10] <jar> Nobody is fighting ;)
[07:10] <Sysi> this isn't
[07:10] <Sahkolihaa> Oh this isn't a fight.
[07:10] <jar> lol
[07:10] <Sysi> :D
[07:10] <Sahkolihaa> A fight would require an op. :D
[07:10] <jar> rofl
[07:11] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> :P
[07:11] <Sysi> ofc we could start real flamewar
[07:11] <jar> An epic fight would be Torvalds v Tennenbauma
[07:11] <jar> Er
[07:11] <Balsaq> when i loadi always give the entire HD to the distro i install...is that ok?
[07:11] <jar> Tenenbaum
[07:11] <jar> Balsaq, Sure.
[07:11] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> gui vs cli? nano vs vi?
[07:11] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> XD
[07:11] <jar> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, I doubt anyone would have a flame war over GUI vs CLI
[07:11] <jar> It's universally accepted that a mixture is best.
[07:12] <jar> ;)
[07:12] <Sahkolihaa> I had someone go at me the other day for using Compiz on Xubuntu.
[07:12] <jar> Oh?
[07:12] <jar> I got nothing against that.
[07:12] <Sahkolihaa> Perhaps I use Xubuntu because I feel Xfce is more polished?
[07:12] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Ive met a lot of people who insist I use a cli for most everything
[07:12] <Sahkolihaa> They were going on saying "but it's designed to be light" and all that.
[07:12] <Sysi> i had compiz bu didn't like it
[07:12] <jar> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, I personally probably use CLI apps more than GUI because I've been using them since before GUI versions existed.
[07:12] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I too agree that a mix is best
[07:12] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Honestly, when you have a drive with like 6 partitions, its just a hell of a lot easier to use gparted than fdisk
[07:13] <jar> Sahkolihaa, Compiz is fine and all. I just use XFwm4's compositing features and that's enough for me.
[07:13] <jar> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, Actually there's a lot that you NEED parted to do.
[07:13] <Sysi> i think xfwm compositing is better
[07:13] <jar> c/fdisk can only edit the partition table
[07:13] <jar> It does not handle the filesystem(s)
[07:13] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> proves out points that a mix is best even more :)
[07:13] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> our*
[07:14] <Sysi> isn't it just opposite?
[07:14] <Sahkolihaa> I do like xfwm's compositor, but I have a nice theme I made in Emerald for Xubuntu.
[07:14] <jar> syrius, No.
[07:14] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I still use the command promtp in windows extensively
[07:14] <jar> er
[07:14] <jar> Sysi,
[07:14] <Sysi> gparted shows my broken partition table to be empty
[07:14] <jar> Well that sucks.
[07:14] <Sysi> fdisk sees partitions
[07:14] <Balsaq> cool..i sure hope i don't need to know all this....
[07:14] <jar> I use cfdisk because I like the pretty ncurses UI.
[07:14] <jar> :P
[07:15] <Sysi> i've used to gparted, so why not that
[07:15] <jar> I got nothing against gparted.
[07:15] <jar> I've used it extensively.
[07:15] <jar> :)
[07:15] <Sahkolihaa> I just use disk utility to check the /dev positions of my drives when editing fstab.
[07:15] <jar> ls /dev | grep for me
[07:15] <jar> hehe
[07:15] <Sysi> i may need to get something new if i start using lvm
[07:16] <Balsaq> what purpose does a partition serve? most people have a few computers lying around?
[07:16] <Sahkolihaa> Dual-boot for the most part.
[07:16] <jar> Sahkolihaa, That's a little un-true.
[07:16] <Sysi> i like having separat /home
[07:16] <Sahkolihaa> Ah. :)
[07:16] <Balsaq> that seems like a problem waiting to happen
[07:17] <jar> Balsaq, I keep 3 partitions at all time.
[07:17] <Sysi> problems can happen
[07:17] <Balsaq> with 3 distros?
[07:17] <jar> nope
[07:17] <jar> just one
[07:17] <Sysi> even if reason is behind keyboard :P
[07:17] <Sahkolihaa> I have 4 HDDs and just keep them to single partitions.
[07:17] <Balsaq> i am lost
[07:17] <jar> / is its own partition, /home so I can preserve settings after an OS reinstall and a data partition
[07:17] <syrius> no what jar ?
[07:17] <jar> syrius, Tab complete fubar.
[07:17] <jar> :P
[07:17] <jar> Sorry about that.
[07:18] <Sysi> i have 8 partitions in dualboot machine :P
[07:18] <Sahkolihaa> Good grief.
[07:18] <jar> I stopped dual booting when VirtualBox became.. awesome.
[07:18] <jar> ;P
[07:18] <Balsaq> i just have one computer for puppy, one for xp pro, one for xubuntu, one for ubuntu, one for linux mint...on an on
[07:18] <Sahkolihaa> Oh wait, I have two partitions on my system drive due to the swap but that's all.
[07:18] <Sahkolihaa> I have a 160GB drive mounted at /personal for images/music and all that.
[07:18] <Sahkolihaa> Then an 80GB on /backup
[07:19] <Sysi> i'm weird, i'm gonna put backups on netbook
[07:19] <Sysi> when i fix my partitions
[07:19] <Balsaq> if i want linux mint, i just plug that copif you get a virus in one partition can it get the other partition?
[07:20] <Balsaq> can i virus go intothe other partition
[07:20] <Sysi> where do you get virus to linux syste? :D
[07:20] <Balsaq> well good i hope its impossible
[07:21] <Sysi> if filesystems are mounted, whu not
[07:21] <Balsaq> i hear they are starting to get into linux sometimes
[07:21] <Sahkolihaa> It's extremely rare for a Linux system to get a virus.
[07:21] <Sahkolihaa> Stick to trusted repositories and you'll be fine. :)
[07:21] <Balsaq> can am virus go from one partition to another
[07:21] <Sahkolihaa> If it's mounted I'd guess so.
[07:22] <Balsaq> hmmm. i saw the word mounted in puppy but didnt do it
[07:23] <Balsaq> but i dont know what mounted is
[07:23] <Sahkolihaa> To be honest, I don't really see linux getting viruses much at all mostly by the fact that most distros are completely free anyway.
[07:23] <Sahkolihaa> Microsoft make a ton of money so people like to attack them for that.
[07:24] <Balsaq> but as linux take sover then what
[07:24] <Sysi> people hate m$
[07:24] <Sahkolihaa> You attack something that is free, you have an issue.
[07:24] <jar> Well the issue with Linux is that 90% of all users of a traditional distro (e.g. not LFS or something else) get their software from repositories.
[07:24] <jar> So you'd have to compromise a repo to get a virus circulating.
[07:24] <Balsaq> oh i see
[07:24] <Balsaq> yes you are right i never download from the net
[07:25] <jar> I've only got 2 packages installed that were not from apt.
[07:25] <Balsaq> because we have it all here
[07:25] <jar> Wait, 3.
[07:25] <jar> Forgot about Chrome.
[07:25] <Sahkolihaa> I use Chromium too.
[07:25] <jar> But it adds itself as a repository when you do.
[07:25] <jar> Sahkolihaa, I don't use Chromium
[07:25] <jar> I use the closed-source Chrome branch.
[07:25] <Sahkolihaa> Ah, you prefer Google brand then. :p
[07:25] <jar> Not prefer. Just found first.
[07:25] <jar> ;)
[07:26] <Sahkolihaa> Hehe.
[07:26] <Balsaq> some say kids write virus for fun?
[07:26] <jar> I've got no issues with people who write viruses for fun.
[07:26] <jar> It's the malicious crap that's annoying.
[07:26] <Sahkolihaa> Most viruse writers are in their 20s and have never had a girl/boy friend. :P
[07:26] <Sahkolihaa> virus*
[07:26] <Balsaq>  a dell tech tech wrote one in college for his degree
[07:26] <Balsaq> he told me
[07:26] <jar> It's an interesting topic.
[07:27] <Balsaq> i will someday know a lot more
[07:27] <Sysi> luckily it don't need to interesting :)
[07:27] <Sahkolihaa> I did get Chromium through apt. Only thing I run that wasn't is Second Life.
[07:27] <jar> I'm 21 and still as stupid as the day I installed Mandrake 9 years ago.
[07:28] <Balsaq> tonight i installed ubuntu for a 2nd person since i discovered buntu
[07:28] <jar> I have Skype, VirtualBox non OSE and Chrome.
[07:28] <Sysi> so young..
[07:28] <jar> Sysi, I was a bored kid.. still am.
[07:28] <jar> :)
[07:28] <Sahkolihaa> I'm 21 too and still consider my self a newbie to Linux.
[07:28] <Sysi> well, i'm younger
[07:28] <Sahkolihaa> Heh.
[07:28] <Sysi> :P
[07:28] <Balsaq> i am into linux for 2 months
[07:28] <jar> I remember when I was *always* the youngest in IRC channels.
[07:28] <jar> Thank GOD that's changed.
[07:29] <Sahkolihaa> Haha, I know that feeling. :D
[07:29] <jar> It gets old.. fast.
[07:29] <Sysi> it's not issue of being youngest, but the stupidest :D
[07:29] <jar> Trust me, there were times I was both growing up.
[07:29] <jar> Hehehe.
[07:30] <Sysi> i'm lately woken
[07:30] <jar> Usually I just spend my time avoiding homework and goofing around with new software.
[07:30] <Sysi> you don't hear about irc too much these days
[07:30] <jar> I'm exactly as old as IRC.
[07:30] <Sahkolihaa> I've used IRC since the MSN Chat days.
[07:30] <Balsaq> once i find and read the best book about the terminal i will get much better
[07:30] <jar> It was created in August of 1988
[07:30] <jar> so was I.
[07:30] <jar> :)
[07:30] <Sysi> oldies..
[07:31] <Sahkolihaa> I'm some months older than IRC then.
[07:31] <jar> I wish I could find out the EXACT day it was started.
[07:31] <jar> because I could literally be the exact age of IRC
[07:31] <jar> :o
[07:31] <jar> That would be awesome.
[07:31] <Balsaq> i read a guy named linux invented the kernal in 1991?
[07:31] <Sysi> i'm from country where it was invented
[07:31] <Sahkolihaa> Linus is his name.
[07:31] <jar> Finland?
[07:31] <Sysi> yeah
[07:32] <Balsaq> did he invent it in 1991?
[07:32] <Sysi> linus also comes from here :)
[07:32] <jar> He went to University of Helsinki
[07:32] <Sysi> he wrote it during his summer holiday
[07:32] <Sahkolihaa> Don't remember if it was 1991 but it's on Wikipedia.
[07:32] <jar> True story, Linus wanted to call Linux "freax" but the guy who owned the FTP space made Linus' directory "linux".
[07:32] <Balsaq> they say 1991
[07:32] <Balsaq> i thought it would be a lot earlier
[07:33] <jar> Balsaq, 1991 is correct.
[07:33] <Balsaq> cause uninx was arounf in the 70's i think
[07:33] <Sysi> well gnu is older
[07:33] <Balsaq> well if its correct how could business have unix in then70's i wonder
[07:33] <Sysi> so linux is only year older than me
[07:33] <jar> GNU is a lot older as the tools were developed and ran on proprietary UNIX systems in preparation for an OSS kernel.
[07:33] <Sahkolihaa> Unix is different to Linux.
[07:34] <Sahkolihaa> Linux is just Unix-Like.
[07:34] <Balsaq> not the same kernel?
[07:34] <jar> Indeed, Linux shares NO code from older Unix systems.
[07:34] <Sysi> gnu/linux and bsd/unix
[07:34] <Balsaq> o
[07:34] <jar> BSD is actually a direct descendant of legacy Unix.
[07:34] <jar> E.g. FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc.
[07:35] <Balsaq> is linux older than windows?
[07:35] <jar> No.
[07:35] <jar> Not by a long shot, actually.
[07:35] <jar> :)
[07:35] <Balsaq> so where did windows get its roots
[07:35] <Balsaq> unix?
[07:35] <jar> Nope.
[07:35] <jar> DOS
[07:35] <Sahkolihaa> Was going to say.
[07:36] <Sahkolihaa> And that's where it became the gaming platform for the IBM-PC.
[07:36] <Balsaq> DOS? looks not at all like windows
[07:36] <jar> MS-DOS was based on an operating system that Bill Gates and Paul Allen bought.
[07:36] <jar> MS-DOS was then the basis of Windows.
[07:36] <Sahkolihaa> Windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 95, 98, ME all ran "on top" of DOS.
[07:36] <jar> Indeed.
[07:36] <Balsaq> i think my w98 computer has dos in it
[07:36] <jar> It does.
[07:37] <jar> Windows prior to 2000 and NT were DOS shells.
[07:37] <jar> (2000 is NT based, etc)
[07:37] <Balsaq> but when i put puppy in it did i wipe out dos?
[07:37] <jar> Yes.
[07:37] <Balsaq> wooops
[07:37] <jar> You can reinstall any OS at any time.
[07:37] <jar> So it's fine.
[07:37] <Balsaq> ouch
[07:37] <Balsaq> oh i have all the discs
[07:38] <Sahkolihaa> I have Windows 95B on CD. :D
[07:38] <Balsaq> people hate when i say it but...xp pro sp3 is actually super
[07:38] <Balsaq> smooooth
[07:38] <Sysi> i hate xp
[07:38] <Balsaq> try xp pro sp3
[07:38] <jar> I don't really deal with Windows unless I have to.
[07:38] <Sahkolihaa> I thought 2000 was the best Windows OS.
[07:38] <Balsaq> no bull
[07:38] <Sahkolihaa> Windows 7 unimpressed me, then I moved entirely to Linux.
[07:39] <Sysi> i'm gonna try 7
[07:39] <jar> Windows 7 gives me the willies.
[07:39] <Balsaq> i have a package of virus stuff that makes it wor=k and they are all free
[07:39] <jar> I don't like the UI.
[07:39] <Balsaq> yeah i dont have 7
[07:39] <Sysi> what's all the fuss about
[07:39] <Sahkolihaa> It's a "fixed" Vista.
[07:39] <Sahkolihaa> With an OS-X copy taskbar.
[07:39] <Balsaq> it ticks me off they they have a good OS and the mess it all up
[07:39] <jar> Sahkolihaa, To quote Ron White. You can't fix stupid.
[07:40] <jar> :)
[07:40] <Sahkolihaa> Haha
[07:40] <jar> Hehe.
[07:40] <Sysi> everyone seems to say that os x is good
[07:40] <Sysi> if you just want working system
[07:40] <jar> OS X is alright insofar as it's a Unix.
[07:40] <jar> But I really dislike the UI.
[07:40] <Sahkolihaa> Not as customisable though.
[07:41] <Sahkolihaa> And I -HATE- the default theme they keep slapping onto it.
[07:41] <Sysi> some say that ui is also customiseable, to some point
[07:41] <Sysi> yeah, that's pretty ugly
[07:41] <jar> OS X has little to no customization.
[07:42] <Sysi> i may get apple computer if i win on lottery some day
[07:42] <Balsaq> wem have apple
[07:42] <Sahkolihaa> Heh. :)
[07:42] <Balsaq> its good one
[07:42] <Sysi> just to see if it is anything special
[07:42] <Balsaq> its 5 years old...no problems
[07:42] <Balsaq> its like linux
[07:42] <Sysi> so far everything has worken on linux
[07:43] <Sysi> so no need to respect nazis
[07:43] <Balsaq> we have a 1.2 mac lapper with only 30 hd and 512 ran runs like crazy
[07:43] <Balsaq> can't kill it
[07:43] <Sahkolihaa> I think OS X does OpenGL properly on ATI cards though.
[07:44] <Balsaq> i came with a dedicated card
[07:44] <Balsaq> way too much money though
[07:45] <Balsaq> like 3 times too much
[07:45] <Sahkolihaa> And that's the problem with Macs. The bloody price. :(
[07:45] <Balsaq> even used they are 500
[07:46] <Balsaq> i like the old velocity cpu
[07:46] <Balsaq> we have it
[07:46] <Balsaq> zippy
[07:46] <Sysi> i can't understant what it does to be worth that price
[07:47] <Balsaq> i dont even maintain it
[07:47] <Balsaq> ever...
[07:47] <Sysi> maybe because linux works on me so well
[07:47] <Sysi> just use, everything is mostly plug&play
[07:47] <Balsaq> you just cant beat free
[07:47] <Balsaq> no matter what
[07:48] <Balsaq> i still cant believe how good linux is
[07:48] <Balsaq> and you get updates? for free?
[07:48] <Balsaq> i dpnt get it
[07:48] <Balsaq> how do they do it?
[07:49] <jar> Balsaq, A mixture of companies donating financial support and people having a good time.
[07:49] <jar> :)
[07:49] <Balsaq> i hope i can contribute soon..somehow
[07:50] <jar> Everyone has a talent that open source can use.
[07:50] <jar> :)
[07:50] <Balsaq> ii keep converting people at work
[07:50] <Balsaq> i have installed 2 for others so far
[07:50] <Balsaq> more are coming too me daily
[07:50] <jar> Awesome.
[07:50] <jar> :)
[07:50] <Balsaq> asking about it
[07:50] <Balsaq> i got paid 25 dollars and they gave me acomputer for one install
[07:51] <jar> I've switched my family to Linux so they'll stop complaining about viruses..
[07:51] <jar> :P
[07:51] <Balsaq> and i am a newbie
[07:51] <Balsaq> when linux whacks the virus they think i know something?
[07:52] <Balsaq> and i know very very little
[07:52] <jar> :p
[07:52] <jar> Linux is everything from a great server to a great toolkit.
[07:52] <Balsaq> but i do have a lot of computers and they all run pefrect
[07:52] <jar> It runs cellphones and server farms.
[07:52] <jar> it's really great
[07:53] <Balsaq> people laugh bet even my dells are really good
[07:53] <jar> My desktop is a Dell.
[07:53] <jar> I love it.
[07:53] <Balsaq> love em
[07:53] <Balsaq> great support and all free
[07:53] <jar> I got my Dell for really cheap.
[07:53] <jar> Very happy with it.
[07:53] <Balsaq> i have one from 1998 never broke
[07:53] <jar> Nice.
[07:54] <Sahkolihaa> Hm, 8 updates available.
[07:54] <Balsaq> yeah i took em
[07:54] <Sahkolihaa> A kernel update?
[07:54] <Balsaq> didnt see kernel in there...but didnt look close
[07:55] <Balsaq> i take em all....i already trust linux
[07:55] <Sahkolihaa> linux-image-####-generic usually means a kernel. :)
[07:55] <Balsaq> ahhhh
[07:55] <Balsaq> learn more every day
[07:55] <Sahkolihaa> Time to update then.
[07:55] <jar> Only update I have is the kernel libc.
[07:56] <jar> Well, not even that.
[07:56] <jar> Just the -dev package.
[07:56] <Sahkolihaa> 2.6.31-16 is what is in my update manager.
[07:56] <Balsaq> my update indicator changed from a red arrow to a warning sign tonight?
[07:56] <jar> Balsaq, means you have security related updates
[07:56] <Balsaq> o
[07:56] <Balsaq>  cool
[07:56] <Balsaq> took em all
[07:56] <jar> I can't decide if I should shower tonight or just wait until morning.
[07:56] <jar> Blah
[07:58] <Balsaq> man i had trouble stufing buntu in an pold gateway today....what a mess it was...finally took 810 out of the blue...like a miracle
[07:58] <Balsaq> i was ready to quit and it sucked in the 8.10
[07:59] <Balsaq> they will get 300 updates hahaha
[07:59] <Balsaq> tried many discs,,,it wanted 8.10
[08:00] <Sahkolihaa> Time to restart.
[08:00] <Balsaq> dirty filty ness of a computer..hair and fuzz in every vent...in the drives ahhhh
[08:00] <jar> Yikes.
[08:00] <Balsaq> but i got it in there and they love it
[08:00] <Balsaq> even cigaraette tar all over it
[08:01] <Balsaq> and buntu somehow got in...
[08:01] <Balsaq> even the dvd door got stuck at one point took me hours...some folks are tough on there computers
[08:02] <Sahkolihaa> There we go.
[08:04] <oldtopman> hi
[08:05] <oldtopman> *eerie silence*
[08:06] <Balsaq> i talk too much anyway
[08:07] <oldtopman> which ubuntu version is best for a laptop w/2.26ghc intel celeronn and 256mb of ram
[08:08] <Balsaq> pupptlinux
[08:08] <Balsaq> puppylinux for 256ram
[08:08] <oldtopman> that iswhat i tupe on now
[08:08] <Balsaq> in tried many on my 256 computer and poppy won that one easy
[08:09] <Balsaq> but was a real pain to install to hd
[08:09] <oldtopman> i mean which *buntu
[08:09] <oldtopman> yeah pyppy is not an hd linux
[08:09] <Balsaq> xubuntu
[08:09] <Balsaq> 256 i not enought though
[08:09] <Balsaq> in my opinion
[08:09] <oldtopman> really...
[08:09] <Balsaq> for buntu
[08:10] <Balsaq> in my opinion
[08:10] <Balsaq> borderline
[08:10] <oldtopman> thx gotta go
[08:10] <Balsaq> i have 512 and would go no lower
[08:13] <Balsaq> i run xubuntu on 2.4 p4 512 rdram and it runs great but some videos are still a liitle slow
[08:21] <Balsaq> i have not heard from knome in over a week...have you syrius?
[08:22] <syrius> what are you talking about?
[08:22] <syrius> who are you?
[08:22] <Balsaq> i am Balsaq
[08:22] <syrius> hmm
[08:23] <Balsaq> you are here a lot, have you seen knome in here ?
[08:23] <syrius> no
[08:23] <Balsaq> i seem to have lost touch with knome...great tech
[08:23] <jar> knome is asleep
[08:24] <jar> He's in Finland.
[08:24] <Balsaq> yes i know
[08:24] <Balsaq> so is Pete i think
[08:24] <Balsaq> lots of god techs in that area
[08:24] <Balsaq> good i mean
[08:26] <Balsaq> jar where are you from?
[08:26] <jar> USA
[08:26] <Balsaq> same here..eastern usa
[08:26] <jar> Same.
[08:26] <jar> Atlanta, GA
[08:26] <Balsaq> cool anywhre near western MA
[08:26] <jar> Sadly not.
[08:27] <jar> I hate the south.
[08:27] <Balsaq> south?
[08:27] <Balsaq> its freezin here?
[08:27] <jar> Tonight it is.
[08:27] <Balsaq> i am in the north eastern usa
[08:27] <Sahkolihaa> Freezing where I am now.
[08:27] <Balsaq> MA NY border
[08:27] <Balsaq> god ole GA
[08:27] <Sahkolihaa> But I'm in England so that's expected.
[08:28] <jar> it's 39 atm.
[08:28] <jar> 39F that is.
[08:28] <Balsaq> but we are not skiing yet
[08:28] <Balsaq> cool in GA wow...must be northern GA
[08:28] <jar> that's about 4C, Sahkolihaa ;)
[08:28] <jar> Balsaq, Yeah
[08:28] <Balsaq> my sister lived in GA for a few years
[08:28] <Sahkolihaa> Weather for Tamworth: 7°C, Current: Mostly Cloudy, Wind: S at 9 mph; Humidity: 87%; Sat: Chance of rain (11°C|8°C); Sun: Chance of rain (10°C|6°C); Mon: Chance of rain (9°C|3°C)
[08:29] <jar> Warmer there than here, Sahkolihaa.
[08:29] <jar> :P
[08:29] <Sahkolihaa> Yeah but it's 8:29AM here.
[08:29] <Balsaq> i'll be skking in a week or two
[08:29] <jar> 3:30am here :)
[08:29] <Balsaq> see iwork till midnight
[08:29] <jar> Probably going to throw on a movie and sleep.
[08:30] <jar> I need a remote for my computer..
[08:34] <Balsaq> well igotta run upstairs for a bit....
[08:45] <balsaq> when the bot requests a CTCP version...how do i respond?
[09:23] <Sahkolihaa> I was about to reply saying that was automatic.
[10:17] <vik>  hello, it used to be ok for several weeks but now my firefox uses 100%cpu with flash pages. I cannot even watch youtube etc. I would appreaciate help
[10:17] <vik>  hello, it used to be ok for several weeks but now my firefox uses 100%cpu with flash pages. I cannot even watch youtube etc. I would appreaciate help
[10:20] <Dynetrekk> hi. can anyone recommend a not-too-complicated backup solution for (x)ubuntu?
[11:02] <vik> Is it possible that high cpu usage in flash is pulse related? How to check that? Thanks for your help indeed, I am using karmic
[11:12] <vik> I would really appreaciate help. I was ok since yesterday, flash worked ok, now it uses 100% cpu in firefox, not sure what to do
[11:35] <nikolam> well, he should stick a bit longer, anyway
[13:35] <webus> hi to all.after installing updates on xubuntu, boot stops working keyboard and mouse. screen appears enter the name and password, but mouse and keyboard do not work. and the system itself does not hang. how to solve this problem?
[13:35] <webus> xubuntu 9.10
[13:40] <handjob> Hi all. Guys how can i check what type of font em i using? Also what type of font is used in cli enviroment without X?
[14:36] <xubuntu> hello My Xubuntu raskber isappeared, can anyone tell me how to bring it back?
[14:36] <xubuntu> My Xubuntu taskbar is dissapeaed, how to bring ist back?
[14:41] <knome> xubuntu, alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel
[14:45] <xubuntu> thanks
[14:45] <handjob> Is there a command that shows the coding of a text file f.e. utf-8?
[14:45] <xubuntu> well anybody can tell me how to connect xubuntu ovr DSL modem...?
[14:47] <xubuntu> well anybody can tell me how to connect xubuntu ovr DSL modem...?
[14:47] <xubuntu> well anybody can tell me how to connect xubuntu ovr DSL modem...?
[14:47] <xubuntu> well anybody can tell me how to connect xubuntu ovr DSL modem...?
[14:47] <knome> xubuntu, please do not repeat
[14:47] <xubuntu> well anybody can tell me how to connect xubuntu ovr DSL modem...?
[14:47] <xubuntu> ok there are 67 peoples but no one answering or making any sound!
[14:48] <knome> !attitude | xubuntu
[14:48] <knome> handjob, try "file ..."
[14:48] <handjob> Thx.
[14:49] <xubuntu> 67 volunteers like this!
[14:49] <xubuntu> well I a, here first time....
[14:49] <xubuntu> *am
[14:49] <knome> xubuntu, if you are not satisfied, feel free to pay for the paid support
[14:50] <knome> xubuntu, you shouldn't need to do anything manually to set up a connection with DSL modem.
[14:51] <xubuntu> no I am satisfied but this is my first time so feeling little bit unknown....
[14:51] <xubuntu> but itś not working....
[14:52] <knome> that's not a very good bug report. can you try to be more verbose on what's not working, what error messages might you be getting...?
[14:52] <xubuntu> Knome: your first answer about bringing back the panels not working....
[14:52] <knome> xubuntu, are you *sure* you are on Xubuntu and not Ubuntu?
[14:53] <xubuntu> I am on Xubuntu 9.10
[14:53] <knome> okay, when you pressed alt+f2, did you get a "run program" window popping up?
[14:54] <xubuntu> no response....
[14:55] <xubuntu> is there any process to bring panels back by using mouse .... can you tell me...?
[14:55] <knome> no, there is not a way to get them back with using your mouse, if they have completely disappeared.
[14:55] <knome> right-click the desktop and select "open terminal here"
[14:55] <xubuntu> ok then should I reinstalll Xubuntu to bring it back?
[14:56] <knome> no, you should not need to reinstall
[14:56] <xubuntu> ok go on...Terminal> then....
[14:56] <knome> type xfce4-panel there and press enter
[14:56] <knome> do you get the panels back now?
[14:56] <xubuntu> wait...
[14:58] <xubuntu> yes now itś visible, thanks knome
[14:59] <knome> they will close when you close the terminal window
[14:59] <knome> but i'm going to give you more instructions now
[14:59] <xubuntu> ok plz go on...
[14:59] <knome> go to applications -> settings -> keyboard
[14:59] <knome> see tab "application shortcuts"
[15:00] <xubuntu> then..
[15:00] <knome> do you see a command "xfrun4" in the list?
[15:00] <xubuntu> yes itś on list...
[15:00] <knome> and the shortcut would be... ?
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[15:00] <knome> okay
[15:00] <knome> press alt, keep it pressed while pressing F2
[15:01] <knome> do you get a "run program" window popping up?
[15:01] <xubuntu> yes a run window appeared....
[15:01] <knome> okay
[15:01] <knome> you can now close the terminal window
[15:01] <xubuntu> i closed it
[15:01] <knome> then write xfce4-panel in the run program window and click run
[15:02] <knome> your panels should appear again
[15:02] <xubuntu> yes itś visible I hope problem solved completely this time...
[15:03] <knome> and now they should not disappear again, but if they do, just repeat the alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel routine
[15:03] <xubuntu> okey
[15:04] <xubuntu> well I have another problem and itś little complicated, I am using DSL model that connect through ethernet (pppoe) but itś not working properly....
[15:05] <knome> !pppoe
[15:05] <xubuntu> in the wired connection tab, the two LAn and DSL should connected tofgather for stable internet....but in real when I am connecting DSL, then LAN getting disconnected, or whe nI am pluging LAN then DSL getting disconnectd....
[15:06] <knome> i have no experience on PPPoE connections, but if you read the tutorial on the last link, you should be able to get it working
[15:07] <xubuntu> well lets see... but if there any experienceive people about this provlem plz help me....
[15:07] <xubuntu> well itś an ubuntu documentation, do you think it will work same on xubuntu?
[15:08] <knome> yes.
[15:08] <xubuntu> ok...
[15:09] <xubuntu> my netwrok maneger is not in workin condition, itś appears disable everytime I am opening it, the unlock button also not working....
[15:09] <xubuntu> how to unlock it?
[15:10] <knome> xubuntu, can you again be more verbose; in which way it is "disabled" ?
[15:12] <xubuntu> it;s totally disabled , like itś not working, keyboard, mouse anything not working in this window, I mean totally disabled.., understand?
[15:12] <xubuntu> hey should I upload a snapshot?
[15:12] <xubuntu> for easy to understand....
[15:12] <knome> sure, i think that would help
[15:13] <xubuntu> plz tell me the link for image uploading...
[15:13] <xubuntu> the link of image bin
[15:14] <xubuntu> ?
[15:15] <xubuntu> can anybody tell me how to upload snapshots,...?
[15:15] <knome> http://imagebin.ca/
[17:13] <ubuntu> hey guys, I'm on the livecd right now trying to get gigolo to work to mount a remote ssh FS, I have it conected in gigolo but now how do I open it up in a file manager?  clicking the connection and clicking "open in filemanager" doesn't do anything, and neither does copying the uri and pasting it in thunars bar, suggestions?
[17:45] <n2diy> how do I take a screen shot?
[17:50] <Besogon> n2diy, look at main menu
[17:52] <likemindead> Or just use your keyboard's "Print Screen" or "Prnt Scrn" or whatever key.
[17:52] <likemindead> Or use scrot from the CLI. ;-)
[17:52] <likemindead> !scrot
[17:53] <likemindead> Hmm...
[17:53] <likemindead> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/how_to_take_screenshots_with_scrot
[17:54] <Besogon> Someone help me with HIDDEN_BOOT with grub2.
[17:55] <n2diy> Besogon: I've been through the app. menus three times, and can't find it? likemindead, print screen didn't work, I'll check out the link, tnxs.
[17:55] <likemindead> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html
[17:55] <likemindead> I'm still trying to figure out GRUB2 as well...
[17:56] <likemindead> Wiki: http://grub.enbug.org/
[18:03] <Besogon> likemindead, http://paste.ubuntu.com/335407 I don't see any timer and afraid that GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT don't work as well. After black screen I see booting menu. (I had made GRUB_DEFAULT=0 then I didn't noticed any timer at all)
[18:19] <n2diy> Besogon: likemindead, I found it, had to right click on the panel, and add it to the panel.
[18:21] <Besogon> n2diy, You can add a command you need to hot keys with xfce4-keyboard-settings
[18:22] <n2diy> Besogon: roger that, no need for it now, I'm good to go.
[18:38] <benchik> hello
[18:39] <likemindead> -____-
[18:42] <ron_o> n2diy, always to to 'Application finder' in the menu when you want to look up something you'd like to try. If nothing comes up use Synaptic then the web.
[18:42] <ron_o> then here, of course. :)
[18:44] <n2diy> ron_o: thanks, I'm a seasoned linux user, just had trouble figuring out how to do a screen shot in Xubuntu. It is a menu item in Ubuntu.
[18:46] <ron_o> I should have said in xubuntu. I had a hard time finding it too. I don't know why it's not in the menu.
[21:10] <ron_o> what does KP_1 mean?
[21:11] <ron_o> or KP_<any number> mean?
[21:11] <ron_o> gawd, out of nowhere this term is everywhere.
[21:11] <ron_o> as in keyboard shortcut?
[21:17] <likemindead> Beats me, ron_o. :-\
[21:18] <ron_o> likemindead, apparently KP stands for Key Pad..
[21:19] <likemindead> Hmm. In Xubuntu, you can set all keybindings/hotkeys/keyboard shortcuts/etc. in the Settings or Preferences.
[21:20] <likemindead> (GUI)
[21:21] <ron_o> but there's two places to do it. Either keyboard shortcuts or window manager... go figure.
[21:21] <ron_o> don't know why you need two places to confuse the isse.
[21:21] <ron_o> issue*
[21:22] <ron_o> also my keyboard shortcuts changed. Don't know if an upgrade did it or what, but all of a sudden all these KP terms starting showing up.
[21:22] <ron_o> some things can get under your nerves... grrrrrrr. :/
[21:23] <ron_o> I'm sticking with fluxbox.. so much simpler. But I wanted to try compiz and ya know... :)
[21:24] <jar> ron_o, technically those are two different preferences
[21:25] <jar> the window manager preferences specifically allow for controls of the window manager via keyboards
[21:25] <jar> the keyboard application shortcuts controls.. application shortcuts
[21:25] <ron_o> technical or not, it still can get confusing.
[21:25] <ron_o> I see.
[21:25] <jar> Agreed it can be kind of confusing, but they do serve very different purposes.
[21:25] <jar> But that dialog IS xfwm4 specific.
[21:26] <jar> With that said.
[21:26] <jar> That's XFce's call.
[21:26] <ron_o> I'm sure my fundamentals are off. Too many times I've corrected others while they obviously didn't understand the issues involved. :)
[21:26] <jar> Whether or not I agree with that setup is moot, Xubuntu just packages XFce.
[21:27] <ron_o> yah.
[22:39] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hey everyone, running xubuntu 9.10, my resolution is stuck at 800x600, no xorg.conf set up - i thought this version was supposed to autoconfigure. the card's an intel 865G with latest drivers. how do i fix it?
[22:49] <chatZilla> is Ubuntu One preinstalled on Xubuntu?
[22:50] <jar> No
[22:50] <jar> As far as I know Ubuntu One only supports Nautilus, we use Thunar.
[22:50] <jar> Honestly, I just wish Dropbox supported Thunar.
[23:11] <knome> jar, is that a dropbox or a thunar issue?
[23:12] <jar> dropbox
[23:12] <jar> knome, They just choose not to support it right now. There's nothing Thunar can do to support it.
[23:14] <jar> knome, You can TECHNICALLY use it by tricking dropbox into thinking you have nautilus installed but you get zero file manager integration.
[23:15] <knome> jar, right.
[23:16] <knome> jar, too bad then :)
[23:16] <jar> Yeah.. dropbox is a lot nicer than ubuntu one to me simply because it supports all operating systems.
[23:16] <jar> but i can't use it
[23:16] <jar> :(