| neversfelde | are we reverting the bzr branches to the status before 4.3.4? | 00:07 |
|---|---|---|
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 00:08 |
| neversfelde | k | 00:09 |
| * JontheEchidna is happy to have his device notifier in the systray | 00:16 | |
| neversfelde | it is bzr uncommit right? | 00:16 |
| JontheEchidna | I've just been removing the changelog entries manually myself | 00:16 |
| Quintasan|Szel | why we would be doing this? | 00:17 |
| JontheEchidna | 4.3.4 was never released to lucid | 00:17 |
| neversfelde | Quintasan|Szel: 4.3.4 is in bzr, but will not be release for 10.04 | 00:17 |
| Quintasan | ah okay | 00:18 |
| JontheEchidna | and the changelog entries can't really be merged with the 4.3.80 changelog | 00:18 |
| * JontheEchidna is unsure if bzr uncommit works after pushing | 00:18 | |
| JontheEchidna | -./usr/bin/servicemenudeinstallation <- name fail :P | 00:19 |
| * ryanakca sighs | 00:28 | |
| ryanakca | My dad asked: "Why do I get keeping offered bug fixes... I thought there weren't supposed to be bugs" | 00:29 |
| nixternal | JontheEchidna: after a push, bzr revert -r<REV#> | 00:36 |
| nixternal | REV# being the rev you want to revert back to | 00:36 |
| nixternal | then you ci and push that | 00:37 |
| Quintasan|Szel | hurrr, so my changes were a waste of time? :D | 00:38 |
| neversfelde | nixternal: is there a difference to uncommit, whe it is the second last revision you want to revert to? | 00:42 |
| neversfelde | s/whe/when | 00:42 |
| nixternal | I didn't know about that, seems it does the same thing as revert, but a bit simpler | 00:48 |
| neversfelde | I'll test it | 00:48 |
| ScottK | qt4-x11 4.6.0 being uploaded (it'll take a while) | 01:26 |
| Daskreech | Quintasan|Szel: are you doing gluon? | 01:28 |
| Quintasan | Daskreech: not really, I planned to take on it after kdeutils but this is harder than I expected and I need some sleep | 01:30 |
| Daskreech | ryanakca: No Bugs?? then who will make sweet sweet chirping noises in the background while I work? | 01:31 |
| Daskreech | Quintasan: Ok learning curves are good as long as you have claws | 01:32 |
| Quintasan | uhm, what? | 01:33 |
| Daskreech | So you don't slide off and you can keep climbing the curve | 01:33 |
| Quintasan | ah :P | 01:34 |
| Daskreech | When you reach the top there is likker and cookies :) | 01:34 |
| Daskreech | Followed instantly by more work >_> | 01:34 |
| Daskreech | But likker and cookies! | 01:34 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Did you look at the lirc files now in kdebase-workspace? | 01:34 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: nope, I will download it but I'll try compiling files from kdeutils first | 01:35 |
| Quintasan | maybe the cmake rules are borked somewhere | 01:35 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: I'd look in the ninja PPA and see what lirc files are now provided by workspace before I spent a lot of effort convincing utils to build stuff. | 01:36 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: 99_fix_ftbfs_on_marble_wallpaper.diff needs documenting in debian/changelog | 01:42 |
| JontheEchidna | most of the stuff from your bzr commit message would make great additions to debian/chanelog too | 01:43 |
| * Quintasan facepalms | 01:44 | |
| Quintasan | I forget to modify the changelog all the time :/ | 01:44 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: I should get "new - old" branch and then push my changes or update the one I currently have? | 01:44 |
| JontheEchidna | I did commit a fix removing the unreleased 4.3.4 changelog entry, so you will want to do a pull before further editing | 01:45 |
| JontheEchidna | It looks like all you really need to do is add the stuff to the changelog file, commit and push | 01:46 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, yippie. kipi-plugins and koffice2 need a rebuild for new kdegraphics | 01:50 |
| * JontheEchidna goes off to watch the last half of the Return of the King | 01:51 | |
| Quintasan | ScottK: Files is workspace are different, anyways I need to get some sleep since it's almost 13 hours since I'm up and running :P | 01:54 |
| * Quintasan goes to bed | 01:54 | |
| ScottK | Quintasan: OK. Good night. Please make sure your work is up to date in bzr so maybe someone else can look at it. | 01:54 |
| ScottK | Final workspace package on the way to the ninja PPA | 02:21 |
| ScottK | maco: Having any luck with kdeedu? | 03:00 |
| maco | ScottK: since i moved my hard drive to the 32bit computer, im having to regenerate my pbuilder as a 32bit one. | 03:07 |
| maco | plz hold :) | 03:07 |
| ScottK | OK. | 03:07 |
| Lex79 | ScottK: ehm you uploaded Qt from ppa instead bzr...I merged in bzr and in ppa it's only a new upstream release. Second thing, you signed my package, and it's not good. | 03:08 |
| ScottK | Lex79: OK. I signed it without making any changelog entries because i had to clean up the Debian dir. | 03:09 |
| ScottK | Lex79: I'll look at bzr and do another upload. | 03:09 |
| ScottK | Sorry about that | 03:09 |
| Lex79 | no problem ScottK :) | 03:10 |
| ScottK | maco: You know you'll need to use https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging for KDE 4.4 beta 1 sources to build against, right? | 03:15 |
| maco | ScottK: eep! so i have to login to pbuilder and edit the sources.list? ok then... | 03:16 |
| ScottK | Lex79: When you merged from Debian Experimental, why did you keep it -0ubuntu1 instead of -1ubuntu1? | 03:17 |
| Lex79 | I'm wrong :) | 03:20 |
| ScottK | OK. I'll fix it then. | 03:20 |
| Lex79 | go to bed, good night | 03:21 |
| ScottK | Good night. | 03:26 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Are you going to be able to be doing any uploading tonight? | 03:27 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: yes | 03:48 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Cool. Looks like plasma-addons is working out. | 03:48 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: so does it matter what order as long as kde4libs goes last? | 03:48 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: No. | 03:49 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Let's just keep each other informed here of what we're working on. | 03:49 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 03:49 |
| * ScottK is still on qt4-x11 and final touches on workspace | 03:49 | |
| JontheEchidna | I think I'll take a look at eigen2 | 03:52 |
| ScottK | OK. | 03:55 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Can you upload that one? | 03:55 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: according to edit_acl I can | 03:56 |
| ScottK | Cool | 03:56 |
| JontheEchidna | I was a bit surprised, seeing as I couldn't upload akonadi or soprano | 03:57 |
| * ScottK looks at kdeplasma-addons | 03:58 | |
| ScottK | My poor hard drive. | 04:02 |
| * ScottK will be with addons for a while | 04:19 | |
| JontheEchidna | blah | 04:28 |
| JontheEchidna | kdm fails trying to show that ksplash crap | 04:28 |
| ScottK | Probably because you left the x off the end | 04:31 |
| ScottK | BTW, I'll be on plasma-addons for a while. | 04:32 |
| JontheEchidna | :( | 04:34 |
| JontheEchidna | how do I make Xorg die without having it respawn itself? | 04:36 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, kill kdm_greet | 04:39 |
| JontheEchidna | mrgh, still no X session | 04:40 |
| ScottK | shift to a VT and kill it from there? | 04:41 |
| JontheEchidna | I got Xorg to die, but startx gives me a black screen | 04:41 |
| JontheEchidna | grr, it's logging in, but it's black | 04:43 |
| JontheEchidna | It looks like I'm hitting an unrelated X bug :/ | 04:43 |
| ScottK | People like dark themes. Maybe it's a feature. | 04:44 |
| JontheEchidna | brb | 04:44 |
| JontheEchidna | I think kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 still depends on the two libnepomuk packages that were removed | 04:52 |
| JontheEchidna | well, moved to kde4libs, but | 04:52 |
| JontheEchidna | oh... there's a ppa3 in -ninjas. wonder when that'll be downloadable | 04:56 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I didn't fix that. | 05:00 |
| ScottK | I was just about to upload it to the archive, so good catch. | 05:00 |
| JontheEchidna | would it be better for the packaging itself to move to kde4libs or should it be absorbed into kdelibs5? | 05:02 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: You mean for libnepomukqueryclient4? | 05:03 |
| ScottK | I think it would be best to keep the binary packages for now. | 05:03 |
| ScottK | That way we don't have to figure out what depends on them and transition them tonight. | 05:04 |
| ScottK | plasma-addons is going to ninjas again | 05:06 |
| * JontheEchidna hopes his issue isn't widespread | 05:07 | |
| ScottK | You mean the instanity that causes you to run your main machine on the development release before Alpha 1? | 05:08 |
| JontheEchidna | heh | 05:09 |
| JontheEchidna | I suppose I can still sponsor packages from the tty | 05:10 |
| ScottK | Workspace is on the way to the archive | 05:11 |
| JontheEchidna | eigen2 is back to building | 05:13 |
| rgreening | hey all | 05:16 |
| JontheEchidna | lo | 05:16 |
| Darkwing-Netbook | hey nixternal, you around brother? | 05:19 |
| JontheEchidna | up goes eigen2 | 05:21 |
| JontheEchidna | looking at kdeadmin | 05:22 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Work on that kubuntu-dev app | 05:23 |
| ScottK | Lex79: Reuploaded Qt4 | 05:25 |
| * ScottK is looking at sip4-qt3 | 05:33 | |
| rgreening | ScottK: yeah, I plan too this week... been real bogged down at work with my new position | 05:36 |
| ScottK | debfx: KDE SC 4.4 beta 1 kdebase-workspace package is published now, so I'd appreciate it if you coul take a look at your brightness patch and update it for 4.4. | 05:52 |
| ScottK | sip4-qt3 and python-at4 done | 06:00 |
| ScottK | at4/qt4 | 06:01 |
| ScottK | Looking at kdetoys | 06:04 |
| ScottK | kdetoys uploaded | 06:11 |
| JontheEchidna | uploading kdeadmin | 06:16 |
| * ScottK isn't going to last a lot longer | 06:17 | |
| * JontheEchidna isn't either | 06:21 | |
| JontheEchidna | in fact, I'm going to call it a night | 06:22 |
| ScottK | kdeplasma-addons uploaded. | 06:32 |
| ScottK | apachelogger, nixternal, or Riddell: JontheEchidna and I started uploading. See https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging - we are saving kde4libs for last, to minimize retries, but please jump in and grab some. | 06:33 |
| * ScottK is off to bed too. | 06:33 | |
| lmm | hi, I mentioned this before but it's still happening with pykde 4.3.4 : pykdeuic4 is failing whenever I try to run it with AttributeError: 'kde_i18n_string' object has no attribute 'escape'; http://pastebin.ca/1702129 is a full backtrace | 07:14 |
| tsimpson | lmm: what's the output of "python -c 'from PyQt4.uic.Compiler import qtproxies; print qtproxies'"? pykdeuic4 still works fine here | 08:02 |
| lmm | md401@arcueid ~ $ python -c 'from PyQt4.uic.Compiler import qtproxies; print qtproxies' | 08:02 |
| lmm | <module 'PyQt4.uic.Compiler.qtproxies' from '/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/PyQt4/uic/Compiler/qtproxies.pyc' | 08:02 |
| tsimpson | that's different from mine | 08:03 |
| tsimpson | $ python -c 'from PyQt4.uic.Compiler import qtproxies; print qtproxies' | 08:03 |
| tsimpson | <module 'PyQt4.uic.Compiler.qtproxies' from '/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/PyQt4/uic/Compiler/qtproxies.pyc'> | 08:03 |
| tsimpson | and not just the lib64 part | 08:03 |
| lmm | sorry, I mentioned this yesterday, I'm not running kubuntu, it's just this is listed as a place with pykde people | 08:04 |
| lmm | to my eyes it looks like the problem is that escape is now a function in the module rather than a method on the i18n_string object | 08:05 |
| lmm | *class, whatever | 08:05 |
| tsimpson | then you'll probably need to patch pykdeuic4 | 08:06 |
| lmm | yeah, if I change the self.escape in kde_i18n_string.__str__ to qtproxies.escape then it works | 08:08 |
| tsimpson | what version of PyQt4 do you have? | 08:09 |
| lmm | 4.6.2 | 08:09 |
| tsimpson | hmm, the changelog for pyqt4 doesn't mention the change | 08:11 |
| tsimpson | well, it looks like KDE isn't using that version | 08:14 |
| tsimpson | lmm: you should probably file a bug with KDE about that | 08:14 |
| lmm | ok, will do | 08:14 |
| === a|wen-dtu is now known as aw | ||
| jussi01 | yay, no plasma... | 09:34 |
| jussi01 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/335775/ | 09:36 |
| Peace- | guys kde 4.4 will be on ppa repo ? | 09:43 |
| Peace- | guys will kde4.4 be on ppa repo ? | 09:43 |
| fale | Lex79: sandsmask released the patch? | 10:21 |
| fale | Peace-: yes it will | 10:21 |
| Peace- | fale: ty and when ? if you know?? | 10:23 |
| fale | Peace-: as soon as sandsmask release a patch that is necessary to compile kde4.4 smootly | 10:24 |
| === Quintasan1 is now known as Quintasan | ||
| Quintasan | ScottK: I see I pretty screwed kdeplasma-addons, what's with the rename on liblancelot? | 11:11 |
| jussi01 | Quintasan: does your plasma work atm? | 11:13 |
| Quintasan | jussi01: yeah, I'm still at 4.3.4 | 11:17 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: dunno what ${sameVersionDep:kdelibs5-dev:liblancelot1} is expected to cause but for now it makes kdeplasma-addons to fail | 11:33 |
| Lex79 | fale: no for now, we are packaging and uploading for lucid 4.4 without pulse audio support | 11:47 |
| fale | Lex79: I see | 12:00 |
| Peace- | Lex79: just to know are you italian ? | 12:10 |
| Lex79 | yeah Peace- | 12:10 |
| Lex79 | :) | 12:10 |
| Peace- | xD you are then xD | 12:11 |
| Lex79 | :D | 12:11 |
| Peace- | here is nowardev from italian communty | 12:11 |
| Peace- | tooo | 12:11 |
| Lex79 | nice to meet you :) | 12:13 |
| Peace- | i have written to you just because i have read some topic on on ubuntu-it forum about rai-qt | 12:13 |
| Lex79 | oh, I didn't read :( | 12:14 |
| Lex79 | Quintasan: can you fix kdeplasma-addons in ppa ? problems? | 12:14 |
| Quintasan | Lex79: dunno what ${sameVersionDep:kdelibs5-dev:liblancelot1} does but it cause a fail while dh_libs<something> | 12:19 |
| Quintasan | and ppa rejects my source, wtf | 12:19 |
| Lex79 | you should download orig.tar.gz from ppa | 12:20 |
| Quintasan | Lex79: kdeplasma-addons fixed in ppa | 13:08 |
| Quintasan | Lex79: pushing to bzr now | 13:08 |
| Lex79 | awesome | 13:10 |
| Lex79 | damn, my kdepim building is stuck here: http://pastebin.ca/1704185 | 13:14 |
| Lex79 | uff :( | 13:14 |
| Quintasan | hmm, noone is doing edu? | 13:17 |
| Quintasan | oh nvm | 13:18 |
| Quintasan | back to utils :/ | 13:18 |
| Quintasan | hurr durr, kdelirc cmake file is broken probably, it yields no files :/ | 13:19 |
| Quintasan | FFS! | 13:30 |
| Lex79 | ? | 13:31 |
| Quintasan | Lex79: http://pastebin.ca/1704196 -> enjoy your failCMake :/ | 13:31 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: The liblancelot0 -> 1 rename is because the major so version changed. | 13:45 |
| JontheEchidna | I can't edit the wiki from lynx :( | 13:46 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: I fixed (I think) the sameversiondeps issue before I uploaded it to the archive. | 13:46 |
| JontheEchidna | Could somebody set eigen2 and kdeadmin to uploaded? | 13:46 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: When you were fixing plasma-addons, did you look at what was in bzr/the archive? | 13:47 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Doing | 13:47 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: I pulled your changes, applied mine and pushed back | 13:47 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Good. | 13:48 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Not doing, someone else has an edit lock on the page | 13:48 |
| Quintasan | Too bad LP gives Internal Server Error :/ | 13:48 |
| JontheEchidna | Taking a look at kdeaccessibility | 13:48 |
| Lex79 | ScottK: doing | 13:48 |
| ScottK | ok | 13:48 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: are you in console? :( | 13:49 |
| JontheEchidna | Lex79: yeah... kdm_greet churns at 100% cpu trying to show that ksplash junk and never gets to kdm | 13:49 |
| JontheEchidna | and I can't use startx due to an X bug which I've had for a while (since karmic) | 13:50 |
| Lex79 | oh man :( | 13:50 |
| JontheEchidna | I wonder if installing gdm would work... | 13:51 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: ${sameVersionDep:kdelibs5-dev:liblancelot1} <--- what this line is supposed to do? | 13:51 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Look in pkg-kde-tools. There's a script there that makes sure the packge depends on the same version of kde5libs as liblancelot1. | 13:52 |
| ScottK | It was there before, but with liblancelot0 | 13:53 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: but now it causes the whole build to fail, I removed it and it works here | 13:53 |
| Lex79 | ScottK: some docs for kdepim doesn't want build and stuck the building, I'll disable with a patch, http://pastebin.ca/1704193 | 13:54 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: keeps telling me liblancelot1 has no Depends field to scan, ppa was reporting the same error | 13:54 |
| Lex79 | I asked in #kde-devel but seems they haven't an answer for that issue | 13:55 |
| Quintasan | Lex79: ha, something similar here, stuck at [ 97%] Generating index.cache.bz2 | 13:57 |
| Quintasan | :D | 13:57 |
| ScottK | I think it's OK to disable stuff for now, just make sure it's well documented so we don't forget to come back to it later. | 13:57 |
| Lex79 | ok ScottK, Quintasan for which package? | 13:58 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: We can sort that out later too then (but we shouldn't forget) | 13:58 |
| ScottK | Lex79: pim | 13:58 |
| Quintasan | Lex79: kdeutils :/ | 13:58 |
| Quintasan | let me try rerunning it | 13:58 |
| * ScottK needs to run off for a while. Good luck. | 13:58 | |
| Lex79 | Quintasan: disable in CMakeList.txt | 13:59 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: You do need to make a new debian changelog entry instead of changing mine, since I already uploaded -0ubuntu1. | 14:04 |
| ScottK | It should be 0ubuntu2 | 14:04 |
| Quintasan | oh my, should I revert and change it? | 14:05 |
| Lex79 | no, add new entry with 0ubuntu2 | 14:06 |
| Lex79 | and remove your changes from 0ubuntu1 changelog and add it to 0ubuntu2 changelog | 14:06 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Also your plasma-addons uploads are a native package. Pull the tarball from the archive and use that. | 14:08 |
| * ScottK really gone now | 14:08 | |
| Quintasan | Lex79: just to be sure -> http://pastebin.com/f76371f46 everythings fine now? | 14:13 |
| Lex79 | uhmm second | 14:14 |
| Lex79 | Quintasan: it's ok | 14:15 |
| Quintasan | Lex79: thanks, pushing to bzr, it's necessary to repeat the change and put in into ppa? | 14:16 |
| Quintasan | hurr durr the whole doc making proccess fails. I'm going to comment out all the docbook generation entries | 14:17 |
| Quintasan | WTF? | 14:20 |
| tsimpson | someone must have tripped over the power cable :p | 14:21 |
| Quintasan | tsimpson: lol | 14:34 |
| JontheEchidna | kdeaccessibility uploading | 14:39 |
| JontheEchidna | looking at kdemultimedia | 14:59 |
| Quintasan | Lex79: I have disable building all docs in kdeutils since they seem stuck like in your case | 15:01 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: kdemultimedia needs it's kde build-deps bumped and the libknotificationitem-dev build-dep removed | 15:02 |
| JontheEchidna | (libknotificationitem-dev's files moved to kdelibs5-dev) | 15:02 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: okay, getting to it right away | 15:09 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: should I make 0ubuntu2 or edit 0ubuntu1? | 15:10 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: also, should I remove 4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1 entry? | 15:11 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: just edit ubuntu1 and remove the 4.3.4 entry | 15:21 |
| Quintasan | okay | 15:21 |
| Quintasan | change unreleased to lucid? | 15:22 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: ^ | 15:22 |
| Nightrose | hey Quintasan :) any news? | 15:22 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan Sponsors usually do that when they upload | 15:23 |
| * JontheEchidna misses xorg | 15:23 | |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: pushed | 15:24 |
| JontheEchidna | k, I've been pbuilding it in the meanwhile | 15:25 |
| Quintasan | Nightrose: I was fighting with it before 4.4 b1 but it's an biggest PITA I have ever seen, if I get it running it will be a miracle | 15:25 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger must've been drunk while writing it | 15:25 |
| Nightrose | heh damn | 15:26 |
| Nightrose | users are asking for it :( | 15:26 |
| Quintasan | it builds nothing then tries to execute wget from archive to check if the files are there :/ | 15:26 |
| Quintasan | Nightrose: I will get to it after 4.4 beta which is soon :) | 15:28 |
| Nightrose | cool | 15:28 |
| Nightrose | thx | 15:28 |
| Lex79 | ALL docs in kdeutils doesn't want build? :( | 15:33 |
| Quintasan | Lex79: I've tried first five and each hung the whole process :/ | 15:34 |
| Lex79 | ok | 15:34 |
| Lex79 | well, now kdepim is stuck at [ 98%] Built target korg_hebrew | 15:38 |
| Lex79 | \o/ | 15:38 |
| Quintasan | hurr durr, Lex79, okteta has several depends on libkasten things, should I make em a separate package or just paste to okteta.install? | 15:38 |
| Lex79 | Quintasan: dunno, can you paste to pastebin? | 15:41 |
| JontheEchidna | kdemultimedia uploaded | 15:41 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: are you uploading without xorg? lol | 15:41 |
| Quintasan | Lex79: http://pastebin.ca/1704316 | 15:41 |
| JontheEchidna | Lex79: doesn't stop me ;-) | 15:42 |
| Quintasan | who cares bout X :P | 15:42 |
| Lex79 | lol | 15:42 |
| JontheEchidna | looking at kdenetwork now | 15:42 |
| Quintasan | urgh let's finish this and I'll send my application to MOTU and to ML to get some sponsors :P | 15:42 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: lol failed on powerpc right away :D | 15:44 |
| Quintasan | hell yeah, kdeutils build! | 15:44 |
| JontheEchidna | ya, port archs are all fail right now | 15:44 |
| * Quintasan does the ninja dance | 15:45 | |
| JontheEchidna | ia64, powerpc and armel all are busted atm | 15:45 |
| Lex79 | Quintasan: put into okteta.install, kasten controllers is part of okteta | 15:45 |
| Quintasan | ~cookies for Quintasan | 15:45 |
| Quintasan | no cookies for me :< | 15:45 |
| Lex79 | ahahha | 15:45 |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order cookies for Quintasan | 15:46 |
| * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Quintasan. | 15:46 | |
| JontheEchidna | technically it would be proper to make a libkasten4 package for the libkasten libraries in /usr/lib/ | 15:46 |
| Quintasan | so I should make it or not? hurr! | 15:46 |
| JontheEchidna | the liboktetakasten libraries would go to oktete | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: neon does dput, not build :P | 15:47 |
| JontheEchidna | There should be a libkastencore4, libkastengui4 and libkastencontroller4 package | 15:48 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: dunno wtf it does, just keeps wgeting what is not there obviously | 15:48 |
| Quintasan | zomfg | 15:48 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: okay, getting to it | 15:48 |
| apachelogger | so your dput is all messed up | 15:48 |
| apachelogger | the wegetting is in place to prevent breaks of the stack if a lowlevel stack package FTBFS | 15:49 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: not mine fault you wrote this whole thing based on YOUR configuration :P | 15:49 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: hmm... were there any kasten files in /usr/include? | 15:49 |
| apachelogger | no no | 15:49 |
| apachelogger | the onlything that is specific to me is the svn url | 15:50 |
| apachelogger | everything else is specific to neon | 15:50 |
| apachelogger | and granted, I never intent to use it outside the neon ppa :P | 15:50 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: doesn't seem so, let me build it after separating the libkasten | 15:50 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: and only okteta or whole kdeutils package should depend on it? | 15:50 |
| JontheEchidna | only okteta, though shlibdeps should pick up on that automatically | 15:51 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: it wasn't working with modified qt link on your machine or you were too lazy to check? :P | 15:51 |
| apachelogger | modified qt link? | 15:51 |
| JontheEchidna | though I am having second thoughts... If it's just a private library with no public includes there's not much sense for extra packages | 15:52 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Qt now sits in GIT, doesn't it? | 15:52 |
| apachelogger | so? | 15:52 |
| JontheEchidna | But private libraries usually go to /usr/lib/kde4, if I'm not mistaken... hrm | 15:52 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger, any opinion on this libkasten* stuff?^ | 15:53 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I was wondering what's really wrong with it, it is your script that is an ultimate PITA or it's just failing to build because it does't like us | 15:53 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: got a quick summary? | 15:53 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, here it goes: | 15:53 |
| JontheEchidna | okteta builds several versioned libkasten* libraries | 15:53 |
| JontheEchidna | no public includes, they go to /usr/lib/ | 15:53 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1704316 ->> I have pasted it to okteta.install to make sure it's linked | 15:54 |
| JontheEchidna | separate package, or include w/ okteta? | 15:54 |
| JontheEchidna | or should upstream really be installing it to /usr/lib/kde4? | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: the question is really what that kasten is meant for | 15:54 |
| Quintasan | shhh, we can't be smarter than upsteam ;P | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | uhh, that sounds funny, you see kasten in german means closet :D | 15:55 |
| Quintasan | LOL | 15:55 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 15:55 |
| Quintasan | Closet implementation in C++ | 15:55 |
| Quintasan | void::FlushWater | 15:55 |
| Quintasan | :P | 15:55 |
| Quintasan | lol fail | 15:55 |
| JontheEchidna | Water closet, old british term for toilet | 15:55 |
| Quintasan | Kasten::FlushWater | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | if kasten is meant to be like libokular, then it needs to go to a seperate package | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | and looking at the libnames I would suppose it is | 15:56 |
| JontheEchidna | not more fail than /usr/bin/servicemenudeinstaller :P | 15:56 |
| * Quintasan wonders how he is supposed to know that | 15:56 | |
| Quintasan | menude? nice | 15:56 |
| Quintasan | :D | 15:56 |
| JontheEchidna | "service me nude installer" | 15:57 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna, Quintasan: I would consult with upstream and debian about the best course of action | 15:57 |
| apachelogger | though without knowing what it does, just from looking at the names it probably should get an own lib and dev package *shrug* | 15:57 |
| JontheEchidna | there's nothing to throw in a -dev package, though | 15:57 |
| JontheEchidna | besides the unversioned .so | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | lib package is necessary too!! | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | having a .so for a lib that is meant to be used without the app in a -dev package without a related lib package doesnt make much sense IMHO :P | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | that was for example the reason we didnt have kopete headers packaged for a long time IIRC | 15:59 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: libknotificationitem-dev build-dep needs to go in kdenetwork, as well as the ~ppa in the changelog version | 15:59 |
| * JontheEchidna realises that that is an awkwardly worded sentence | 16:00 | |
| Quintasan | damn I would just throw it in okteta.install, only okteta complained about it during the whole build proccess | 16:01 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: that is not future proof :P | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | if we do that and indeed the lib is supposed to be public, then we have to shuffle around and introduce replaces/conflicts | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | possibly where debian has none | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | leading to unnecessary diff | 16:02 |
| JontheEchidna | the best thing to do is to discuss with debian | 16:02 |
| * JontheEchidna won't because he has graduated from minion status :P | 16:03 | |
| Quintasan | hurr and ofc the must be on another network | 16:03 |
| Quintasan | they | 16:03 |
| Quintasan | too much stallman there, I should repeat those words until I die | 16:04 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: what does your fetcher.rb look like? | 16:06 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/f1827c62d | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | nice tab mess :P | 16:07 |
| Quintasan | don't really care since I want it just to work for now :P | 16:08 |
| apachelogger | lame excuse | 16:08 |
| Quintasan | don't care about that too :) | 16:08 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: Whenever an icecc-enabled pbuilder tries to exit, it fails to unmount the chroot because the device is busy. Any hints? | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: there is a special hook that kills the icecc | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | though, it really depends on how the pbuilder exits | 16:09 |
| JontheEchidna | is it included in pbuilder-hooks? | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | I think after build failure I cant hook into and ensure the icecc gets killed | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: should be | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | though there is at least one exit case where we cant hook in and icecc needs to be killed manually | 16:10 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: on top of that all I forgot to fix kdenetwork :P | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | meant to go complain about that ... | 16:10 |
| JontheEchidna | forgot to fix it? | 16:11 |
| JontheEchidna | meaning I should just stop my build now? | 16:11 |
| Quintasan | I mean the control and changelog :P | 16:11 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 16:11 |
| Quintasan | libknotificationitem-dev should go to hell? | 16:11 |
| JontheEchidna | yus | 16:11 |
| apachelogger | oh dear | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | 300 KiB down | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | what a drag | 16:12 |
| JontheEchidna | ideally after we get core KDE libknotificationitem-dev free all we'll have to do is remove the build-dep from plasma-widget-networkmanagement | 16:12 |
| JontheEchidna | then we can file a removal request for kdelibs-experimental | 16:12 |
| Quintasan | pinotree | Quintasan: given the author removed the installation of headers, there's no need to split the single okteta package | 16:12 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/f56a8fb6f <-- looks good enough? | 16:13 |
| * JontheEchidna agrees with pinotree, much as I hate to agree with him :P | 16:13 | |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: ask upstream if they are coming back? | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | it is not like libs outside kdelibs are not allowed to change post-beta :S | 16:13 |
| Quintasan | coming back with what? | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | beta2, rc, final | 16:14 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: looks fine to me | 16:15 |
| Quintasan | pushing then | 16:15 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I'll first build with kasten files in okteta.install, check for missing files and then I we will see if I really need to separate it :P | 16:20 |
| markey | hmm, is this normal? | 16:20 |
| * apachelogger doesnt get the point | 16:20 | |
| markey | The following packages have been kept back: | 16:20 |
| markey | linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: you shoudl ask upstream if there is any chance that he will introduce header files before 4.4.0 | 16:20 |
| JontheEchidna | markey: yeah, apt-get holds back updates that introduce new packages. Do an apt-get dist-upgrade | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | which he hopefully answeres with no and adding all and everything to okteta.install is a save bet | 16:21 |
| markey | JontheEchidna: is it safe? | 16:21 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: just as you said | 16:21 |
| Quintasan | http://markmail.org/message/zgh7ck52yhmfvsj5 | 16:21 |
| JontheEchidna | markey: yes, it will keep the old kernel around | 16:21 |
| markey | ok, cool | 16:21 |
| markey | thanks | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: go talk to upstream! | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | talk, not interpret | 16:22 |
| * markey nudges apachelogger | 16:22 | |
| * Quintasan pokes apachelogger | 16:22 | |
| markey | how's TimeLord going? :) | 16:22 |
| markey | can't wait | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: as I also said, libs outside kdelibs are not bound to the same api restrictions | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | markey: slowish | 16:22 |
| markey | slow is bad | 16:22 |
| markey | too few contributors? | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | very much so | 16:23 |
| markey | hum | 16:23 |
| markey | should we promote it a bit? some blogging foo? | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | markey: I'll come back on that, first we need to outline some recruiting guidelines | 16:23 |
| markey | ok | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose, Quintasan: new lp team "neon", is new driver of "project-neon" project, maintainer is Quintasan, bzr branch ownership transferred to "neon", commited some stuff to hopefully help karmicifcation along | 16:25 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: *hug* | 16:26 |
| Nightrose | you're the best | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | neon got ppa, id ppa, name project neon | 16:26 |
| Nightrose | Quintasan: your turn to rock the show ;-) | 16:26 |
| Quintasan | well okay | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | once ported I'll try to transfer all subscriptions from old project-neon user to the new neon ppa | 16:26 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I got that link from pinotree, I will mail the developer who commited this now | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: you go talk to okteta dev :P | 16:26 |
| * apachelogger tries uploading qt already | 16:27 | |
| apachelogger | +I think all that stuff should be de-amarokified | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | either establish project neon as own brand or transfer to kde governing or kubuntu governing | 16:29 |
| ryanakca | How far away are the KDE SC 4 | 16:32 |
| ryanakca | oops, 4.4 beta1 packages? (I'm wondering if it's still worth putting up a notice on the website saying that they are on their way) | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kubuntu-website/kubuntu-theme-v2-imgdim+compression | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: btw, I think we should look into making kubuntu.org fasterish | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | for example compress that counter pic a bit | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | quite bigish | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | also, does the css need to be so distributed? | 16:33 |
| * apachelogger notes that transfering one large file is mostly faster than transfering 10 smaller ones | 16:33 | |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: mail sent, awaiting response | 16:34 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: I'll merge it in to my branch | 16:35 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: Anyways, do we have a time frame for 4.4~beta1, or will this suffice: http://paste.ubuntu.com/335999/ | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: should suffice | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | giving time frames never works out in my experience | 16:41 |
| Quintasan | WTF IS WITH LP HURRRRR!!! | 16:45 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm... I've not heard my computer's fans in quite a long time | 16:46 |
| Quintasan | Launchpad's bzr interface is borked :/ | 16:47 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: cmd += " co svn+ssh://sitter@svn.kde.org/#{branch}/#{path} #{SVNPATH}/#{dir}" <-- wtf I should do with this? I get svn: Network connection closed unexpectedly | 16:49 |
| JontheEchidna | svn://anonsvn.kde.org? | 16:49 |
| Quintasan | hmm | 16:50 |
| * Quintasan facepalms | 16:50 | |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: no headers for 4.4 | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | then go ahead with your plan | 16:53 |
| Quintasan | maybe it will change for 4.5 but that's not sure since dev got not feedback | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | can be reevaluated then :) | 16:54 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: you're hacking the code faster than me, not fair :P | 16:54 |
| * Quintasan 's commits were overwritten by apachelogger's | 16:54 | |
| apachelogger | dont try to hack ruby faster than me :P | 16:55 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 16:55 |
| apachelogger | I am done | 16:55 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: qt src builds | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | also | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | you can do amarok while qt builds | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | amarok does not depend on most recent qt anymore | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: uploading qt | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | that could take some time | 16:58 |
| Quintasan | uploading to where? | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | DPUT_OPTS = "ppa:neon/ppa" | 16:58 |
| Quintasan | this is awesome, apachelogger is doing all the work and I can claim credit for this :PPP | 16:59 |
| apachelogger | qt is as far as I will go :P | 16:59 |
| apachelogger | I suppose from this point on only package changes need to be done | 17:00 |
| DAskreech | Quintasan: I like your dent updates :) Might help to mention that youare working on 4.3.80 packages | 17:02 |
| Quintasan | 4.8.30 :D | 17:05 |
| Nightrose | ryanakca: aroun? | 17:06 |
| Nightrose | +d | 17:06 |
| DAskreech | Quintasan: OMGKDEROXBBQFTWCOPTER! | 17:07 |
| Nightrose | DAskreech: you forgot the ROFL | 17:07 |
| Nightrose | !!! | 17:07 |
| Quintasan | roflcopter | 17:08 |
| DAskreech | I'ts a bug it'll get patched in the 4.8.33 release | 17:08 |
| EagleScreen | hello | 17:17 |
| EagleScreen | i am here from a Kubuntu 9.10 Live CD, I am seeing that KDE check spell is not working in official packages, neither in 4.3.4 packages from updates PPA | 17:18 |
| DAskreech | hi EagleScreen | 17:19 |
| EagleScreen | hi | 17:19 |
| DAskreech | Where are you seeing that? | 17:19 |
| EagleScreen | for instance, in lokalize | 17:19 |
| DAskreech | This is in English? | 17:20 |
| EagleScreen | but i think it is the same for the rest KDE apps like konqueror | 17:20 |
| EagleScreen | this is in Spanish | 17:20 |
| EagleScreen | Check spell works very well in Debian KDE 4.3.2 packages | 17:21 |
| DAskreech | ok | 17:22 |
| JontheEchidna | Is aspell-es installed? | 17:26 |
| EagleScreen | in a text input box, wrong typed words are not underlined, and if I right-click and I click on Spell Checking in context menu, nothing is opened | 17:26 |
| EagleScreen | ok, aspell-es wasn't installed | 17:28 |
| EagleScreen | it may be a bug in language-selector which shlud install it for Spanish language | 17:29 |
| JontheEchidna | yes, that would be my guess too | 17:29 |
| EagleScreen | okay, i will check this for 4.3.4 in a installed system | 17:30 |
| EagleScreen | see you in a moment | 17:30 |
| JontheEchidna | uploading kdenetwork | 17:35 |
| DAskreech | Who maintains the Ninja/Packaging wikipage? | 17:38 |
| DAskreech | or has apachelogger rubyfied it? | 17:38 |
| JontheEchidna | ninjas manually update it as they go | 17:39 |
| DAskreech | ok | 17:39 |
| DAskreech | Silently | 17:39 |
| DAskreech | >_> | 17:39 |
| DAskreech | <_< | 17:39 |
| JontheEchidna | yus! | 17:39 |
| JontheEchidna | on that note, I'm taking a look at kdepimlibs | 17:40 |
| * DAskreech considers doing a time line legedn | 17:40 | |
| DAskreech | legend | 17:40 |
| DAskreech | JontheEchidna: bzr,ppa essentially means done? or does it mean uploaded and not verified/tested ? | 17:44 |
| JontheEchidna | It means "It's done and the final work is in both the PPA and in bzr, but needs a final review" | 17:45 |
| JontheEchidna | after the final review it's uploaded | 17:45 |
| JontheEchidna | we used to have a legend at the old batcave before it went down | 17:46 |
| JontheEchidna | statuses are: FTBFS, dep-wait (waiting on other packages), in progress, ppa, bzr, reviewed and uploaded | 17:46 |
| Lex79 | kdepim is a mess, hope I can finish today | 17:50 |
| DAskreech | FTBFS ? | 17:51 |
| JontheEchidna | fails to build from source | 17:51 |
| JontheEchidna | or: HALP! | 17:52 |
| DAskreech | So the initial state is in progress ? | 17:52 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, or blank if the ninjas is stealthily lazy :P | 17:53 |
| DAskreech | Or silent | 17:53 |
| DAskreech | >_> | 17:53 |
| DAskreech | <_< | 17:53 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, if somebody with a working X could update the wiki to say that kdenetwork, kdemultimedia and kdeaccessibility are uploaded, that would be great (lynx can't edit the wiki properly) | 17:54 |
| * ScottK waves | 17:54 | |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: ok | 17:54 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: What should I look at? | 17:54 |
| DAskreech | what about w3m ? | 17:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | Morning guys | 17:54 |
| DAskreech | Damn it! | 17:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | Oh, ScottK Netbook started acting up again | 17:55 |
| DAskreech | The theme song starts playing in my head everytime you do that DarkwingDuck | 17:55 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: once the wiki is up to date you can take anything that's not uploaded | 17:55 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm doing kdepimlibs at the moment, though | 17:55 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: OK. | 17:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | DAskreech: :D It's on my cell. | 17:55 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: done | 17:56 |
| JontheEchidna | thx | 17:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | ScottK: When I log in it starts to load up then kicks me back to login screen. If I try again to log in then it crashes stating it is already running and it wont ge anywhere from there. | 17:56 |
| ScottK | DarkwingDuck: Karmic or Lucid? | 17:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | I can still run programs via Alt+F2 | 17:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | Lucid | 17:57 |
| ScottK | Weird. | 17:57 |
| DAskreech | Any error messages? | 17:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | It's only the plasma workspace | 17:57 |
| ScottK | I wouldn't sweat it until we get 4.3.80 in. | 17:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | Other then my netbook is a 2 pound paperweight? :P | 17:58 |
| DarkwingDuck | DAskreech: It crashes stateing that that it is already running | 17:58 |
| ScottK | DarkwingDuck: See if it is already running, ps -AF|grep plasma-netbook | 17:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm going to do another install from the most recent daily-build and see if it is there or, if this was just my system not liking an update somewhere. | 17:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | kk hang on | 18:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | DAskreech: The two error messages are: KDE Daemon; kded4 PID: 1320 Signal: 11 and Plasma-netbook PID:1338 Signal:11 | 18:03 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: I figured out the liblancelot-dev sameversiondeps problem. | 18:04 |
| ScottK | I didn't bzr add liblancelot1.install | 18:05 |
| Quintasan | -_- | 18:05 |
| ScottK | No install, empty package and the "Had no depends" error is exactly correct. | 18:05 |
| JontheEchidna | uploading kdepimlibs | 18:05 |
| JontheEchidna | going out for a bit, too | 18:05 |
| DarkwingDuck | ScottK: It's running... | 18:06 |
| ScottK | DarkwingDuck: Then kill it and try again | 18:06 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: pull mine changes and overwrite them, I removed the sameversion line from control | 18:06 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Will do | 18:06 |
| DAskreech | kquitapp plasma-netbook | 18:06 |
| DarkwingDuck | DAskreech: ScottK, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/336049/ | 18:11 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Leave kdeplasma-addons for me. I need to look this over and make sure I didn't confuse myself. | 18:11 |
| ScottK | DarkwingDuck: It needs to be rebuilt. Just wait for 4.3.80 | 18:13 |
| DarkwingDuck | kk | 18:13 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D I'll run without a workspace LOL | 18:13 |
| DAskreech | My daily regime | 18:14 |
| DarkwingDuck | lol I knew the risk when I decided to run Lucid on my netbook | 18:14 |
| ryanakca | Nightrose: aye | 18:15 |
| DAskreech | DarkwingDuck: Why Sudo? | 18:15 |
| Nightrose | ryanakca: got a minute for a query? | 18:15 |
| ScottK | lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2009-12-06 18:10 ./usr/lib/liblancelot.so.0 -> liblancelot.so.1.7.0 | 18:15 |
| ScottK | ^^^ SO version 0 or 1? | 18:16 |
| ScottK | Anyone? | 18:16 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: ^^^? | 18:16 |
| * apachelogger belinks | 18:17 | |
| apachelogger | -e | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: I am not sure that is valid at all | 18:17 |
| ScottK | That's kind of my thought. | 18:17 |
| ScottK | It's a bit of a WTF | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | technically it is 0 though | 18:18 |
| ScottK | set_target_properties(lancelot PROPERTIES VERSION 1.7.0 SOVERSION 0) | 18:20 |
| ScottK | I need to go to the grocery store. | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | I suppose it must be a valid thing to do if cmake allows for that to be done :) | 18:20 |
| ScottK | Anyone know Lancelot devs? | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: ^ | 18:21 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: please wait with kdeutils, I'm minutes away from pushing updated commit | 18:21 |
| Nightrose | ScottK: ivancuckic (sp?) | 18:22 |
| ScottK | Nightrose, apachelogger, somebody, would you please check and make sure that's on purpose? | 18:23 |
| * Nightrose is currently fixing amarok stuff - sorry | 18:23 | |
| * ScottK really needs to go to the store | 18:23 | |
| * ScottK launches Quintasan | 18:23 | |
| ScottK | Quintasan: You may have had liblancelot correct (in terms of staying with liblancelot0) | 18:24 |
| ScottK | (once you get done with kdeutils, would you please double check with upstream that they intended to stay with SO version 0 | 18:25 |
| Quintasan | sure I'll ask around | 18:25 |
| Quintasan | I won't be here for longer than and hour anyways | 18:26 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: OK. Just let me know what you find out here and I'll read the scrollback after I return. | 18:29 |
| === Declination__ is now known as Declination | ||
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: kdeutils pushed to bzr and ppa | 18:43 |
| Lex79 | we are sure this release is a beta? seems alpha0 | 18:46 |
| Quintasan | rly | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | why oh why does ubuntu brainstorm not use openid and hook up with lp | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 18:48 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: ping | 18:51 |
| Xand3r | yes sir | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: groupies team still got no branding I noticed :P | 18:52 |
| Xand3r | thats right | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | anyone up for a brainstorm? | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: should be fix0red at some point :P | 18:52 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: it could, but i have no time | 18:53 |
| * apachelogger hands Xand3r some time :) | 18:53 | |
| Xand3r | if it could workl like that -.- | 18:54 |
| * apachelogger would be buying time on ebay if it was :D | 18:54 | |
| ryanakca | Does anybody have a box with a pile of source packages (with watch files) I could access, or on which they could test a patch to uscan ? | 18:58 |
| Lure | are we now to apply for kubuntu-dev if we want to upload any kde package? | 19:02 |
| * Lure is motu, but would like to work at least on digikam/kipi-plugins and am not sure what options I have now with new model | 19:02 | |
| maco | Lure: ~kubuntu-dev ? | 19:03 |
| Lure | maco: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev | 19:03 |
| Lure | maco: the thing Jonathan just got in ;-) | 19:03 |
| maco | Lure: ah see i missed the question before the /me part | 19:03 |
| maco | Lure: so i was suggesting that | 19:04 |
| maco | Lure: no that i read the actual question, "yes" | 19:04 |
| maco | s/no/now/ | 19:04 |
| Lure | maco: ok, I am just not sure what options there are in the new model | 19:05 |
| * Lure would like to understand options, to get the thing that matches my needs/skills ;-) | 19:05 | |
| maco | i think motu becomes generalist | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | !info digikam lucid | 19:06 |
| maco | and then on top of that you can apply for kubuntu-dev, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server, etc | 19:06 |
| ubottu | digikam (source: digikam): digital photo management application for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.0.0~beta6-1ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 7645 kB, installed size 30792 kB | 19:06 |
| maco | theres like 6 of them | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | hm, should be in the set controlled by kubuntu-dev | 19:06 |
| ryanakca | With the new model, could you have more than one maintainer, and that new maintainer gets access to that particular package? Or no? | 19:06 |
| * apachelogger looks | 19:06 | |
| maco | edubuntu and mythbuntu are two of the others | 19:06 |
| maco | ryanakca: its like larger-scale per-package-uploaders, it seems | 19:07 |
| Lure | apachelogger: I would suspect everything that depends on kde should be in kubuntu seed somehow | 19:09 |
| Lure | apachelogger: and digikam is main, so it should be seeded | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | == All uploaders for package 'digikam' == | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-core-dev: package set 'kubuntu' in karmic | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-core-dev: package set 'kubuntu' in lucid | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | Archive Upload Rights for kubuntu-dev: package set 'kubuntu' in karmic | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | Archive Upload Rights for kubuntu-dev: package set 'kubuntu' in lucid | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | BUT | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | I am not sure we have the competency to grant per-package upload, we'd probably just direct a recommendation towards the TB or whoever now controls per-package upload rights | 19:10 |
| maco | apachelogger: i was trying to describe the new "more than just motu and coredev" thing as being similar to largescale PPU | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 19:13 |
| apachelogger | as usual the documentation is more than confusing | 19:14 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: Do you have a directory full of source packages, or do you delete them when you're done? | 19:14 |
| Lure | apachelogger: did you now set any req for kubuntu-dev applications? | 19:14 |
| * apachelogger is a deleter | 19:14 | |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: Bummer | 19:14 |
| apachelogger | Lure: you need to have considerable experience in working with all them fancy kubuntu packages | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | Lure: in your case I would go for per-package upload rights though | 19:15 |
| * ryanakca wouldn't mind having upload rights for packages he maintains in Debian | 19:15 | |
| apachelogger | Lure: if I got the process right ... you would be applying for per-package upload rights to the kubuntu-dev team, who will then direct a recommendation for grating those to the developer membership board, which as I understand is currently the TB | 19:16 |
| * apachelogger notes that it might also be that kubuntu-dev is able to grant per-package since it got the priviledges delgated from the developer membership board | 19:18 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: can we grant per-package uploads? | 19:18 |
| Lure | apachelogger: that makes sense - I am too old to learn your ruby magic scripts ;-) | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | lol | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | I dont think we use them right now :P | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | need major overhowl anyway | 19:19 |
| Lure | apachelogger: ok, then it is still hope for me ;-) | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | and sensible infrastructure to go with that | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | Lure: well, if you apply for per-package you'd not have to use them anyway :P | 19:20 |
| Lure | apachelogger: btw, what should/can we do with digikam in karmic? | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | Lure: backport? | 19:21 |
| Lure | apachelogger: how to get backports through? | 19:21 |
| apachelogger | Lure: we could also try to get a exception from TB so it can go to karmic-upadates | 19:21 |
| * Lure opened bug but do not know how to go further | 19:21 | |
| apachelogger | though that is considerable more work, so we should try to get it backported first anyway | 19:21 |
| Lure | also, -updates would be more appropriate | 19:21 |
| Lure | apachelogger: who does backports (reads karmic-backports bug mail)? | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | Lure: once bug is filed -> attach some buildlog for karmic, and mention that all works well -> poke ncommander or ScottK to approve it | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | then get Riddell to invoke the backport | 19:22 |
| Lure | apachelogger: ok, will retry with rc1 then | 19:23 |
| apachelogger | that is if the packaging does not require changes from lucid to karmic | 19:23 |
| Lure | I am test building new merge in my ppa | 19:23 |
| Lure | apachelogger: no changes needed, correct | 19:23 |
| apachelogger | otherwise you would go as above but upload yourself once approval is given and wait for archive admin to let it through | 19:23 |
| apachelogger | Lure: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#Backport Process | 19:24 |
| Lure | apachelogger: thanks | 19:25 |
| apachelogger | Lure: once 1.0.0 is out, you should get it to backports and then get movement towards updates going (i.e. file request with the technical board) | 19:25 |
| apachelogger | having it in backports first will enable more testing etc. | 19:25 |
| * Lure notices that ubuntu processes become overwhelming for occasional contributer with limited time as me | 19:25 | |
| apachelogger | +999999 on that | 19:26 |
| Lure | apachelogger: that makes sense | 19:26 |
| Lure | apachelogger: I am more and more seeing it is better for me to just work on kde directly | 19:26 |
| Lure | + I prefer coding to packaging still ;-) | 19:27 |
| Lure | but I would like digikam/kipi to be in better shape in kubuntu | 19:27 |
| dtchen | Lure: I kinda dropped the ball on that for Jaunty | 19:28 |
| apachelogger | Lure: you could recruite someone to take over ;) | 19:28 |
| dtchen | I was supposed to stand up some sort of -review team for drive-by contributors, so people could just shoot an e-mail to such a list and say, please merge this patch, and the team would take over | 19:28 |
| apachelogger | now that JontheEchidna lost minion status I suppose we could use some more minions :D | 19:28 |
| Lure | dtchen: that is challenging setup | 19:29 |
| Lure | apachelogger: lol | 19:30 |
| * apachelogger is wondering how long a train ride from graz to ljubljana would be | 19:30 | |
| Lure | apachelogger: maybe JontheEchidna has some jounger brothers and sisters? ;-) | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | Lure: wouldnt that make kubuntu a family business? :D | 19:31 |
| Lure | apachelogger: I do not care, if it works ;-) | 19:31 |
| dtchen | isn't KDE about community? Family is community. :-) | 19:31 |
| apachelogger | limited scope community though :P | 19:32 |
| maco | dtchen: ill take it | 19:32 |
| dtchen | maco: take what? | 19:32 |
| maco | dtchen: the review team | 19:33 |
| maco | the [ACTION] on it | 19:33 |
| * Lure got his lucid pbuilder first real job | 19:33 | |
| dtchen | maco: I think that was already discussed at UDS-L? | 19:33 |
| maco | dtchen: i wasnt in that session, but i mentioned it to james_w and have since talked to bdmurray. i think they might wanna hear from you though that you're passing it on | 19:34 |
| * Lure needs to write MIR for liblqr and opencv for this cycle | 19:34 | |
| Lure | btw, what is now the new point of main/universe? | 19:34 |
| dtchen | maco: I'm not looking to pass it on, because I'm still looking to push legit patches into the archive | 19:34 |
| Lure | and do we (kubuntu) really care if package is in main or universe? | 19:35 |
| dtchen | maco: I'm looking for people to step up and help | 19:35 |
| maco | Lure: main = anything shipped on CD | 19:35 |
| dtchen | maco: and whether people step up and help has nothing to do with "who's taking the action" | 19:35 |
| maco | dtchen: ok | 19:35 |
| DAskreech | Lex79: I would suspect that we will get a slew of fixes soon. First release and rush to get code in etc | 19:35 |
| Lure | maco: not exactly - digikam is not on cd | 19:36 |
| Lure | maco: maybe on dvd | 19:36 |
| maco | Lure: yeah im not sure how thats working out... | 19:36 |
| Lure | maco: it was: main=supported by canonical | 19:36 |
| maco | Lure: was....but "will be" is the part that im talking about | 19:37 |
| Lex79 | DAskreech: I hope :) | 19:37 |
| maco | sounded at uds like "things on the cds" | 19:37 |
| DAskreech | overhowl.. seems like a hangover from Amarok days eh apachelogger? | 19:38 |
| DAskreech | apachelogger: SHould I check for a doktor for kipi to take over from Lure? | 19:40 |
| DAskreech | Lure: Can you check if the kipiplugins allow plugins? :) | 19:40 |
| Lure | DAskreech: how do you know I need a doctor? ;-) | 19:40 |
| dtchen | everyone needs a Doctor. Some of us need a Rose. | 19:40 |
| DAskreech | maco: I thought main was Canonical will accept money to support it | 19:41 |
| * apachelogger needs a jack :| | 19:41 | |
| maco | DAskreech: archive reorg, though... | 19:42 |
| DAskreech | apt-get install jack | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | DAskreech: in general we need more doktors | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | IMHO | 19:42 |
| maco | DAskreech: harkness? | 19:42 |
| DAskreech | maco: Ah Missed that. any notes/writeup/docs on it? | 19:42 |
| * apachelogger drops mail with super offensive subject :P | 19:42 | |
| DAskreech | Lure: Doktor :) It's a timelord | 19:43 |
| maco | DAskreech: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation | 19:43 |
| DAskreech | dtchen: Nightrose IS a rose. How does that work? | 19:43 |
| maco | wow kdeedu takes a long time to build | 19:44 |
| * apachelogger notes that Nightrose does not speak that awful london slang :P | 19:44 | |
| Lure | DAskreech: it works only for one ;-) | 19:44 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 19:44 |
| === DAskreech is now known as Ahab | ||
| dtchen | jack is unlikely to appear in season 11 of dr who, apparently | 19:47 |
| dtchen | uh, completely mistyped that. meant the 11th doctor, but that somehow became season | 19:47 |
| * maco hopes for a Torchwood season 4 | 19:48 | |
| dtchen | there will be. | 19:49 |
| maco | dtchen: since at some point we will cease to be roommates, my xmas list i'm giving to mum is a list of Doctor Who DVDs so i'll still have access when we live apart :P | 19:49 |
| dtchen | RTD is already writing it | 19:49 |
| maco | dtchen: AWESOME! | 19:49 |
| dtchen | maco: ...or you could just watch the youtube doctor who channel. | 19:49 |
| dtchen | since it's, like, officially sanctioned by the BBC | 19:49 |
| apachelogger | iTube? | 19:49 |
| maco | wow really? | 19:49 |
| maco | is it...does it have old Who to? | 19:50 |
| maco | *too? | 19:50 |
| fale | any news about pulseaudio in 4.4? | 19:52 |
| Lex79 | fale: no | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | waiting on patch still | 19:52 |
| fale | I see, thankyou | 19:52 |
| Lure | ok, any core-dev/kubuntu-dev that can sponsor upload of digikam 1.0rc1 merge from debian? | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | eww | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | cold tea | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 19:53 |
| Lure | it is ready in bzr, just get orig.tar.gz from debian | 19:53 |
| Lure | bzr location: lp:~kubuntu-members/digikam/ubuntu | 19:53 |
| * Lure moves to kipi-plugins now | 19:54 | |
| dtchen | I need someone to confirm that KMix stores and restores mixer settings upon session logout and login, respectively | 19:57 |
| dtchen | (sound mixer, of course) | 19:57 |
| dtchen | i.e., I'm ripping out the store and restore portions from alsa-utils's initscript, but I don't intend to break anyone | 19:58 |
| * apachelogger prepares digikam upload | 19:58 | |
| JontheEchidna | Lure: my brother didn't know the difference between RAM and a harddrive until today, and my sister is 7. | 19:59 |
| JontheEchidna | My brother does however have a Dell 9 mini w/ Ubuntu | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | Lure: btw, you might want to take a look at the debcommit tool | 20:00 |
| Lure | JontheEchidna: you should fix that ;-) | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | very helpful when working with packaging branches | 20:00 |
| JontheEchidna | but no chance of minionizing them I'm afraid | 20:00 |
| * Lure notes that he has daughters of that age too ;-) | 20:00 | |
| Ahab | Ah kmix question. Can you have multiple Kmix applets running tied to different audio outputs? | 20:00 |
| Lure | JontheEchidna: btw, congrats of kubuntu-dev! | 20:01 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks :) | 20:01 |
| * Lure likes stronger and stronger kubuntu team | 20:01 | |
| JontheEchidna | ugh... gotta go again. Will have to continue uploads later | 20:03 |
| shtylman | would there be a reason why I can't view lines in an svg file with qt's svg rendering stuff? | 20:21 |
| shtylman | I have an svg which I made in inkscape | 20:22 |
| shtylman | but qt won't render the lines... | 20:22 |
| shtylman | is this a known limitation? or problem? | 20:22 |
| Lure | apachelogger: thanks for digikam | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | shtylman: #qt is probably better suited for that question | 20:23 |
| apachelogger | though last I checked Qt did not support all of inkscape's magic | 20:23 |
| apachelogger | that was like Qt 4.2 though, so quite long time ago :) | 20:23 |
| shtylman | hmm | 20:23 |
| apachelogger | Lure: thanks for merging :) | 20:23 |
| shtylman | I will query in #qt... I was just curious if any bugs flew our way that we knew of related to this | 20:24 |
| apachelogger | not to my knowledge | 20:24 |
| Lure | apachelogger: just commited kipi-plugins to bzr, but still waiting for lucid test build to finish in my pbuilder | 20:25 |
| Lure | interesting: git push does not work on bzr repositories... ;-) | 20:26 |
| apachelogger | so much for git being superior :P | 20:27 |
| apachelogger | Lure: I just need to pull the trigger for kipi-plugins | 20:29 |
| Lure | apachelogger: ok, kipi-plugins is also ready for upload - it builds in my lucid pbuilder just fine | 20:33 |
| Lure | ScottK: if you can ack two backports, it would be great: bug 481851 and bug 481856 - digikam's is really important due to (too) many crash reports with karmic's version | 20:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 481851 in karmic-backports "backport digikam 1.0.0~rc-1ubuntu1 to karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481851 | 20:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 481856 in karmic-backports "backport kipi-plugins 0.9.0-1ubuntu1 to Karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481856 | 20:55 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I don't think we can do per-package. That still needs to be TB/DMB. | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: but we can do the recommendation? | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | since it is concerning kubuntu packages I dont see why MOTU would do the recommendation | 22:08 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I think it's reasonable, but nothing says either way. Worth a try. | 22:08 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | k | 22:08 |
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