maco | so you want to know how to add new networks to xchat? http://www.linuxchix.org/connecting-linuxchix-irc-using-xchat.html tells how to add new networks | 00:00 |
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zero-day | yes | 00:00 |
zero-day | but do you know any hacking community? | 00:00 |
zero-day | or channel? | 00:00 |
maco | not that i'm gonna tell you about | 00:01 |
tonyyarusso | You can't ask that here. | 00:01 |
tonyyarusso | Or anywhere on Freenode. | 00:01 |
zero-day | what's Freenode? | 00:01 |
maco | tonyyarusso: well if zero-day actually means hacking (not cracking) i do know one on freenode | 00:01 |
maco | zero-day: this irc server | 00:01 |
tonyyarusso | maco: True, but I doubt that. | 00:01 |
maco | but im pretty sure theyd get mad at me for sending people to them | 00:01 |
zero-day | wait you guys are not understanding | 00:01 |
tonyyarusso | maco: heck, -ot qualifies for that :P | 00:01 |
maco | tonyyarusso: with snuxoll? yeah... | 00:02 |
tonyyarusso | Perhaps we'd understand more if you used capitalization and punctuation. | 00:02 |
zero-day | i'm not english man | 00:02 |
zero-day | :) | 00:02 |
tonyyarusso | maco: I've assigned him some pet projects to do for me in his spare time making two Gnome applets I want :) | 00:02 |
maco | neither am i :_) | 00:02 |
maco | :-) | 00:02 |
maco | tonyyarusso: cool! | 00:02 |
zero-day | I just want a programming server or channel | 00:03 |
maco | zero-day: if you want a C channel ##C or if you want python #python or if you want perl #perl | 00:03 |
maco | getting the pattern? | 00:03 |
zero-day | oh yes | 00:03 |
zero-day | but i dont understand on thing | 00:04 |
zero-day | one* | 00:04 |
zero-day | I'm really liking irc :) | 00:05 |
zero-day | so this is a server with channels, is it? | 00:09 |
maco | yes... | 00:10 |
nhandler | x/43 | 00:10 |
maco | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat | 00:10 |
mneptok | maco: i banned zero-day in #u for being offtopic. so he should have been referred to #freenode | 00:27 |
maco | ohok | 00:28 |
mneptok | maco: -ops is not a support channel ;) | 00:28 |
maco | yeah i know its not | 00:28 |
maco | thats why i told him to read his client's help docs | 00:28 |
zero-day | hello again :) | 00:28 |
zero-day | hello again :) | 00:29 |
mneptok | zero-day: this is not a support channel. | 00:29 |
mneptok | zero-day: you will need to find help elsewhere | 00:29 |
zero-day | what? | 00:29 |
mneptok | zero-day: this channel is not for asking questions about how IRC or your client works | 00:30 |
zero-day | could you say to me how do I know the channels in one certain server? | 00:30 |
mneptok | zero-day: and you are banned from #ubuntu for being offtopic. now you are doing the same thing here. | 00:30 |
mneptok | no | 00:30 |
zero-day | sorry | 00:30 |
mneptok | this. is. not. a. support. channel. | 00:30 |
zero-day | ok | 00:31 |
zero-day | so what is it?! | 00:31 |
maco | just learn to use your client. im sure there are webpages on the subject | 00:31 |
mneptok | this channel is for discussion of Ubuntu IRC channels and their policies and procedures. | 00:31 |
zero-day | hum | 00:31 |
maco | it's like Ubuntu's own little Police Station | 00:31 |
zero-day | rofl | 00:32 |
zero-day | ok, so I'm new with ubuntu, and I've some difficulty installing things... | 00:32 |
mneptok | zero-day: any other questiosn regarding Ubuntu channels and their policies? | 00:32 |
mneptok | zero-day: apparently not. please type "/part #ubuntu-ops" (no quotes) in your client | 00:33 |
zero-day | man, I'm questioning something! | 00:34 |
maco | zero-day: you're asking for support. this channel is not for that. | 00:34 |
mneptok | one LAST time | 00:34 |
mneptok | this. is. not. a. support. channel. | 00:34 |
zero-day | so I don't understand what are policies | 00:35 |
zero-day | :s | 00:35 |
maco | zero-day: rules | 00:35 |
zero-day | oh! | 00:35 |
zero-day | ok, so bye :) | 00:35 |
ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 02:34 |
ubottu | FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 02:34 |
ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 02:34 |
ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 02:34 |
ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 02:37 |
ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 02:37 |
ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 02:41 |
ubottu | FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 02:41 |
Cpudan80 | Ehh | 02:41 |
Cpudan80 | why did the bot +m #ubuntu ? | 02:41 |
bazhang | bot attacks | 02:41 |
Cpudan80 | so it +m the channel? | 02:42 |
maco | if they cant send to the channel, they cant sploit you? | 02:42 |
Cpudan80 | That's stupid | 02:42 |
Cpudan80 | That is not a good idea - the bot should try virtually everything else before +m | 02:42 |
maco | Cpudan80: its not like its permanent | 02:42 |
Cpudan80 | +r would be better | 02:42 |
bazhang | Cpudan80, thanks for your views. | 02:43 |
ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 02:43 |
bazhang | Cpudan80, was there something else? | 02:43 |
Cpudan80 | I realize that it is not permanent | 02:43 |
Cpudan80 | no that's it | 02:43 |
bazhang | bye then | 02:43 |
Cpudan80 | it might be good to have the bot notice the channel (or something) if it has to do +m | 02:43 |
bazhang | Mike_lifeguard, how can we help you | 02:44 |
bazhang | squircle, something you needed help with? | 02:44 |
maco | bazhang: Mike_lifeguard had a suggestion for the message the floodbots send out | 02:45 |
squircle | hi everybody; apparently i can't be automatically tested for the DCC exploit in ubuntu-read-topic, and I keep getting spammed with DCC requests... i've connected on port 8001, and I can join #ubuntu, but I keep getting 404: can't send to channel | 02:45 |
bazhang | maco, doubt they have time to do it. | 02:45 |
squircle | i guess i need to be tested manually? | 02:45 |
Mike_lifeguard | After DCC exploits, some info would be nice so the period after -m isn't consumed with "omg, hackers" and the like | 02:45 |
bazhang | !exploit | 02:45 |
ubottu | There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit | 02:45 |
bazhang | Mike_lifeguard, ^^ | 02:45 |
* Mike_lifeguard headdesk | 02:46 | |
bazhang | squircle, you seem to be in now | 02:47 |
squircle | yep, thanks :) | 02:47 |
bazhang | Mike_lifeguard, thanks for the idea, but we have a factoid already--was there something else? | 02:47 |
maco | bazhang: is the factoid automatically sent? | 02:48 |
maco | i think there was something Mike_lifeguard said about +C as well, that i didnt understand | 02:48 |
bazhang | right. that is umode +C to protect the DCC spam | 02:48 |
bazhang | err against | 02:49 |
bazhang | also want to set /ignore to dcc stuff | 02:49 |
maco | i think he wanted this: <FloodBot1> NOTICE - If you couldn't speak to the channel during the past minutes, please try again now. | 02:49 |
bazhang | squircle, were you trying to notice the channel? | 02:49 |
nhandler | You can also link to http://blog.freenode.net/2009/11/dcc-spam-and-how-to-handle-it/ for info about handling DCC spam | 02:50 |
squircle | notice the channel? | 02:50 |
maco | to include "to prevent such DCC spam, you can set umode +C" | 02:50 |
maco | or something like that | 02:50 |
bazhang | squircle, that will get you banned by the floodbots | 02:50 |
maco | squircle: /notice or /msg | 02:50 |
maco | or /query | 02:50 |
maco | instead of simply speaking in the channel | 02:50 |
squircle | maco: none of those. i just got a bunch of zero-byte DCC requests and got banned. | 02:51 |
bazhang | squircle, I saw you say you wanted to /msg #ubuntu | 02:51 |
squircle | well, i meant speak in the channel #ubuntu | 02:51 |
squircle | i know you shouldn't/cant /msg a channel | 02:51 |
maco | in #ubuntu you said | 02:51 |
maco | <squircle> i wonder if i'll still get 404 errors when trying to PRIVMSG #ubuntu... | 02:51 |
bazhang | well, not without consequences | 02:52 |
maco | i think thats why bazhang thought you were /notice'ing it | 02:52 |
bazhang | squircle, if there is nothing else, please dont idle here | 02:52 |
squircle | oh, no. | 02:52 |
maco | s/thought/asked if/ | 02:52 |
squircle | alright, thanks everyone :) | 02:52 |
bazhang | bye | 02:53 |
maco | squircle: the channel was +m for a bit due to the attack. probably just got cauht in that :) | 02:53 |
bazhang | boxxy_ was unbanned? | 02:59 |
bazhang | yep apparently so | 03:01 |
linuxguy2009 | test me | 03:22 |
linuxguy2009 | (10:22:20 PM) FloodBot1: linuxguy2009: Hello, You can't « /join #ubuntu » because of a problem with your connection. Please type « /topic » and read the instructions. | 03:23 |
linuxguy2009 | Someone care to test me so I can connect? | 03:24 |
linuxguy2009 | Alrighty then | 03:25 |
Flannel | Erm | 03:26 |
maco | nice attention span | 03:41 |
elky | Hello, You can't join #ubuntu because of a problem with your attention span... | 03:43 |
mdeonte | elky hello? | 03:50 |
elky | hi mdeonte, do you have something new to tell me? | 03:51 |
ubottu | maco called the ops in #ubuntu (sniqqer language and threats) | 03:56 |
Flannel | maco: That wasn't a threat | 03:57 |
bazhang | whoops | 03:57 |
maco | Flannel: i thought it was a "i'm gonna hack you" threat | 03:57 |
bazhang | I misread it too, sorry | 03:57 |
Flannel | No, it was a "be careful so you don't arr emm arr eff root" statement | 03:57 |
maco | i dont see anything about arr emm arr eff... | 03:59 |
Flannel | maco: Please remember to take statements with good faith. Things are easy to misunderstand/misinterpret on the internet. | 03:59 |
Flannel | 19:55 < sniqqer> rivoot: the rm -rf /directory , the spacing is broken between / and directory so it is really close to removing your entire system!! | 03:59 |
maco | ah i see | 03:59 |
Flannel | because the spacing on this website: http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/571-install-flashplayer-in-ubuntu-64-bit- is all wonky | 03:59 |
maco | i just pm'd an apology | 04:00 |
Flannel | maco: in general, *one* statement isn't enough for an ! o p s call, because it's way too easy for a false positive. catalyze first, administrative things as a last resort. | 04:00 |
Flannel | Also, a 'real' "watch your language" statement goes over better than a factoid call | 04:01 |
maco | he's going to join here | 04:01 |
linuxguy2009 | (11:10:12 PM) The topic for #ubuntu-read-topic is: Your router is buggy 1) Please follow these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to FIX it (yes, it can be fixed) 2) after carrying out those instructions please type « test me » and wait few minutes | if this fails, type « /join #ubuntu-ops » to be tested manually | 04:11 |
linuxguy2009 | Test me please? | 04:11 |
Flannel | linuxguy2009: Pleaes join -read-topic and get tested there | 04:11 |
Flannel | (I know you did earlier, but do it again now) | 04:11 |
linuxguy2009 | Ok thank you. | 04:12 |
Flannel | linuxguy2009: Looks like you're sorted | 04:13 |
linuxguy2009 | Im back again. | 04:13 |
linuxguy2009 | Ok now it worked. | 04:13 |
mdeonte | elky, Uhm, I dont know what "proof" you want but I have been on here like all day and been helping, talking etc. and i have been trying to reconcile with the people I am bnned from | 04:14 |
elky | what channels have you been helping in? | 04:15 |
mdeonte | #wikipedia, #freenode, | 04:24 |
mdeonte | #wikimedia | 04:25 |
mdeonte | elky^ | 04:53 |
elky | i'm not seeing anything significant in those channels | 05:15 |
elky | mdeonte, under what nicknames have you been "helping". answering one question in #freenode is hardly a huge change of behaviour. | 05:21 |
mdeonte | elky I consider asking questions help too | 05:38 |
elky | in this context, it's not. | 05:39 |
mdeonte | elky, how am I supposed to help people if i am banned in the support channel? | 05:40 |
mdeonte | "and i have been trying to reconcile with the people I am bnned from" what i said earlier too | 05:41 |
mdeonte | anned* | 05:41 |
mdeonte | banned* | 05:41 |
elky | mdeonte, this isn't about helping your way out of a ban. it's about interacting with a channel in a productive way. lying isn't going to help give that impression. I only looked for "helping" because you said you were giving it. | 05:43 |
elky | who have you been trying to reconcile with? | 05:43 |
mdeonte | you, Flannel, emma | 05:44 |
mdeonte | I wasnt lying? | 05:44 |
elky | saying seeking assistance is helping is a lie. | 05:45 |
elky | and how have you been reconciling with flannel? | 05:46 |
mdeonte | What if someone else wanted to ask that question, or something. I guess it really is not helping, but i dont think that it is a lie | 05:46 |
mdeonte | elky, I tried to talk to him about my ban being uplifted in #defocus | 05:46 |
mdeonte | le tme see if i still have logs... | 05:46 |
mdeonte | elky, lol, sorry. It was Plazma | 05:47 |
mdeonte | sorry Flannel :) | 05:48 |
mdeonte | elky, I have the log https://monteledwards.com/paste/index.php/view/84625313 | 05:49 |
elky | mdeonte, ok. what about the people you threatened in -chicago. have you apologised to them? | 05:51 |
mdeonte | i was thinking about that a couple days ago, i forgot. I probably should do it now | 05:52 |
mdeonte | elky, he is away. | 05:53 |
mdeonte | elky, its midnight here, im going to head off to bed. | 05:55 |
mdeonte | goodnight | 05:55 |
elky | mdeonte, ok, well if you promise to apologise to -chicago, then i'll let you back in | 05:56 |
mdeonte | To the whole channel elky? | 05:56 |
elky | well the whole channel saw you be mean | 05:56 |
mdeonte | elky, It would be pointless now, we're all in the same timezone. and i bet they're asleep | 05:57 |
elky | well re-read what i said | 05:57 |
elky | i'm asking for you to commit to apologising | 05:59 |
mdeonte | Yeah, I do | 05:59 |
mdeonte | Oh, sorry. its late | 05:59 |
mdeonte | elky, are we done here? | 06:01 |
* mdeonte is going to fall asleep on the keyboard | 06:01 | |
elky | yes, you'll be unbanned by the time you wake | 06:01 |
* elky is having difficulty finding the ban in the list | 06:01 | |
bazhang | elky, he already joined and quit, not sure that he still is banned | 06:02 |
mdeonte | bazhang, Yeah, i am on a different computer | 06:02 |
bazhang | ahh | 06:02 |
mdeonte | I thought she took off the ban already | 06:02 |
mdeonte | my computer in indiana is * #ubuntu Banlist: Sat Nov 28 03:03:58 *!*@c-67-186-113-238.hsd1.in.comcast.net elky!n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu | 06:03 |
elky | mdeonte, ah, your current hostmask is in .il. | 06:03 |
mdeonte | elky, whatever the IP to monteledwards.com is | 06:03 |
mdeonte | elky, yeah 67.186.113.238 | 06:04 |
elky | there, ban gone. i hope not to have to talk to you again. | 06:04 |
mdeonte | thanks alot. im not going to join atm. | 06:05 |
mdeonte | goodnight elky bazhang | 06:05 |
elky | nhandler, nixternal, please let me know if he fails to make amends with the peeps in -chicago :) | 06:06 |
foxbuntu | mneptok, hello. What can I do for you. | 06:54 |
mneptok | foxbuntu: does this ring a bell - [04:18] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, http://tinyurl.com/2c9np | 06:55 |
mneptok | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/05/%23ubuntu-mythtv.txt | 06:55 |
foxbuntu | mneptok, yes. And I agree in a moment of a lapse of judgement I should not have sent that. | 06:55 |
mneptok | excellent. thanks for realizing the mistake. that is all. :) | 06:56 |
foxbuntu | mneptok, to be fair however that particular use continually demeans Mythbuntu users on a regular basis and has been asked to not do so by several developers from the project on multiple occasions. | 06:57 |
mneptok | well, recommedning Google is discouraged in all Ubuntu channels | 06:57 |
mneptok | 06:57 | |
ubottu | While Google is useful for helpers, many newer users don't have the google-fu yet. Please don't tell people to "google it" when they ask a question. | 06:57 |
foxbuntu | mneptok, but I should be above that and my actions I take responsibility for. | 06:57 |
mneptok | such rules apply doubly for ops. | 06:57 |
mneptok | and the site you recommended was demeaning. | 06:58 |
foxbuntu | mneptok, agreed. My mistake, and I will ensure it does not occur twice. | 06:58 |
mneptok | rather than use URLs like that, ask that the user adhere to the CoC and IRC Guidelines. | 06:58 |
mneptok | if they fail to do that, you have an excellent reason to ban them from the channel. and banforward here if you like. | 06:59 |
foxbuntu | mneptok, agreed. The user has been told that on several occasions. | 06:59 |
mneptok | then next time they do, grab that banhammer. :) | 06:59 |
foxbuntu | mneptok, will do. Again I apologize for my mistake. | 07:00 |
mneptok | no need to apologize to me. | 07:00 |
nalioth | i would not banforward anyone to a channel the bansetter is not present in | 07:00 |
mneptok | just wanted to ensure that if you DO take harsher action, you're standing on a solid footing. | 07:00 |
foxbuntu | mneptok, ok. Thank you. | 07:00 |
mneptok | no, thank YOU ;) | 07:01 |
foxbuntu | :) | 07:01 |
elky | why cant they all be like that? | 07:13 |
elky | is that *really* so much to ask? | 07:13 |
* elky goes and pouts in a corner | 07:13 | |
* mneptok hands elky the Official Ubuntu Pouting Blanket | 07:14 | |
mneptok | careful, the corner i suck on is still pretty damp. | 07:14 |
elky | nonono, i want a tiara, just like palin's little girl | 07:14 |
mneptok | the batshit crazy mother comes with it. sure you don't want to blanky? | 07:15 |
Madpilot | I'd go with blanky, elky | 07:15 |
elky | hmm, when you put it that way | 07:16 |
mneptok | i'm looking for the hair dryer so you can fix that corner ... | 07:16 |
KB1JWQ | TheGreatToilet is trolling in a number of channels; I'm not in his ubuntu channes, but I suspect he's doing the same there. | 07:19 |
elky | KB1JWQ, he's been lighting my highlights up quite well, indeed. | 07:20 |
Madpilot | awesome nick. hasn't found #u yet | 07:20 |
* mneptok has no access in any of the channels that user is currently using | 07:22 | |
bazhang | he was in #xubuntu earlier | 07:32 |
Madpilot | whois sez he's in -motu, -devel and a couple of other ubuntu channels; far as I know I lack ops in all of them | 07:33 |
Madpilot | huh, I do have ops in -irc. Useful to remember. | 07:34 |
ubottu | darksector called the ops in #ubuntu () | 07:48 |
Madpilot | dealt with | 07:48 |
ubottu | jtaji called the ops in #ubuntu (billym13) | 14:18 |
elky | who runs floodbot2? | 14:45 |
elky | ah, nalioth does. nalioth, care to check config of floodbot2 with someone? the exempts it's doing do not look useful... http://paste.ubuntu.com/335937/ | 14:48 |
tsimpson | elky: that's likely because of the split | 14:52 |
tsimpson | ie, the bot that sets the session was playing catchup | 14:52 |
elky | tsimpson, aha | 14:53 |
elky | there needs to be a check on that so the ban lists dont get filled up with dud exempts like that :-/ | 14:53 |
tsimpson | it's probably unlikely that'd happen, unless a lot of people load up webchat during a split | 14:55 |
tsimpson | but then, what to do when it does happen, as far as the floodbot sees, that's the host | 14:55 |
elky | it's still something that should be checked for. if the session is "session" then it's probably not worth adding to the chaos. | 14:57 |
mdeonte | hello? | 17:53 |
ubottu | In #ubuntu, portn0k said: ubottu: there is no "better", it depends on what youre using the system for and what your goals are | 17:58 |
ikonia | mdeonte: hello | 18:02 |
ikonia | mdeonte: do you need something from #ubuntu-ops ? | 18:04 |
mdeonte | ikonia, damn | 18:17 |
mdeonte | I forgot | 18:17 |
mdeonte | uh.. | 18:17 |
mdeonte | I knew it was something important too | 18:17 |
ikonia | mdeonte: ? | 18:17 |
ikonia | mdeonte: if you don't need anything at this time, come back when you've remembered what you wanted ? | 18:21 |
mdeonte | ikonia, sure. bye | 18:22 |
ikonia | @mark #ubuntu luis_ removed for ban language after earlier days of asking about proxy server, quite rude and offensive in pm desipte multiple warnings and multiple attempts in pm to calm him - cannot follow instruction or moderate language | 18:52 |
ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 18:52 |
nhandler | elky: So far, montel (besides a quick join/part last night) has not been in -chicago | 20:24 |
ubottu | guntbert called the ops in #ubuntu (Shockrates verbal violence) | 20:51 |
ubottu | Shockrates called the ops in #ubuntu (guntbert verbal violence) | 20:51 |
Flannel | er | 20:52 |
Flannel | Where'd that second one come from? | 20:52 |
Flannel | I don't see it in the channel. Did he say it as I was removing him, so I didn't see it? | 20:52 |
mneptok | second one what? | 20:53 |
mneptok | 13:51 -!- Shockrates [n=Shockrat@adsl-101.79.107.57.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu | 20:53 |
mneptok | 13:51 < Slart> Bam_Bam: enable compression? you mean on a ntfs file system? not sure if you can | 20:53 |
mneptok | 13:51 < Duskao> ok | 20:53 |
mneptok | 13:51 < Shockrates> !ops | guntbert verbal violence | 20:53 |
Pricey | Flannel: most likely lag | 20:53 |
Pricey | Flannel: he got that message into his server, at the time your server had him removed. | 20:54 |
Pricey | it wouldn't make sense for your server to then give you a message from him in that channel. | 20:54 |
* ikonia points attention to mesula (Sam/xcydadasd) | 21:45 | |
Gary | oh, not again | 22:29 |
ikonia | yup ban dodged 6 channels so far | 22:29 |
ikonia | Gary: over to you so I don't send nhandler to sleep | 22:30 |
Gary | oki | 22:30 |
ikonia | Gary: be aware he's dodging eeepc and eeepc-ot too | 22:31 |
ikonia | ot | 22:31 |
Gary | ikonia: I know him too well sadly - can you please supply a channel list of ban dodges you have seen | 22:31 |
ikonia | I've obviously delt with the ubuntu bans | 22:31 |
ikonia | Gary: #ubuntu #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu+1 #eeepc-ot #eeepc and I'm not %100 sure on ##linux to be honest | 22:32 |
ikonia | infact it looks like his ##linux ban has been cleared actually - I'm wrong on that one | 22:32 |
Gary | was he just ban dodging or was he as normal offtopic in them? | 22:33 |
ikonia | for ubuntu just ban dodging - banned on site to stop his behaviour, #eeepc-ot trying to be a problem / smart mouth, #eeepc silent but dodging | 22:34 |
MenZa | maco: if he continues, remove or banforward would you say? | 22:40 |
maco | in -ot? banforward him to ##politics :P | 22:40 |
MenZa | hah | 22:40 |
maco | its what he wants to discuss, right? | 22:40 |
MenZa | true | 22:41 |
MenZa | I wonder if auto_bleh takes arguments <nick> <channel> <reason> to /af | 22:41 |
vorian | MenZa: with a bit of editing it could | 23:05 |
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