/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/06/#ubuntu-ops.txt

macoso you want to know how to add new networks to xchat? http://www.linuxchix.org/connecting-linuxchix-irc-using-xchat.html tells how to add new networks00:00
zero-dayyes00:00
zero-daybut do you know any hacking community?00:00
zero-dayor channel?00:00
maconot that i'm gonna tell you about00:01
tonyyarussoYou can't ask that here.00:01
tonyyarussoOr anywhere on Freenode.00:01
zero-daywhat's Freenode?00:01
macotonyyarusso: well if zero-day actually means hacking (not cracking) i do know one on freenode00:01
macozero-day: this irc server00:01
tonyyarussomaco: True, but I doubt that.00:01
macobut im pretty sure theyd get mad at me for sending people to them00:01
zero-daywait you guys are not understanding00:01
tonyyarussomaco: heck, -ot qualifies for that :P00:01
macotonyyarusso: with snuxoll? yeah...00:02
tonyyarussoPerhaps we'd understand more if you used capitalization and punctuation.00:02
zero-dayi'm not english man00:02
zero-day:)00:02
tonyyarussomaco: I've assigned him some pet projects to do for me in his spare time making two Gnome applets I want :)00:02
maconeither am i :_)00:02
maco:-)00:02
macotonyyarusso: cool!00:02
zero-dayI just want a programming server or channel00:03
macozero-day: if you want a C channel ##C or if you want python #python or if you want perl #perl00:03
macogetting the pattern?00:03
zero-dayoh yes00:03
zero-daybut i dont understand on thing00:04
zero-dayone*00:04
zero-dayI'm really liking irc :)00:05
zero-dayso this is a server with channels, is it?00:09
macoyes...00:10
nhandlerx/4300:10
macohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat00:10
mneptokmaco: i banned zero-day in #u for being offtopic. so he should have been referred to #freenode00:27
macoohok00:28
mneptokmaco: -ops is not a support channel ;)00:28
macoyeah i know its not00:28
macothats why i told him to read his client's help docs00:28
zero-dayhello again :)00:28
zero-dayhello again :)00:29
mneptokzero-day: this is not a support channel.00:29
mneptokzero-day: you will need to find help elsewhere00:29
zero-daywhat?00:29
mneptokzero-day: this channel is not for asking questions about how IRC or your client works00:30
zero-daycould you say to me how do I know the channels in one certain server?00:30
mneptokzero-day: and you are banned from #ubuntu for being offtopic. now you are doing the same thing here.00:30
mneptokno00:30
zero-daysorry00:30
mneptokthis. is. not. a. support. channel.00:30
zero-dayok00:31
zero-dayso what is it?!00:31
macojust learn to use your client. im sure there are webpages on the subject00:31
mneptokthis channel is for discussion of Ubuntu IRC channels and their policies and procedures.00:31
zero-dayhum00:31
macoit's like Ubuntu's own little Police Station00:31
zero-dayrofl00:32
zero-dayok, so I'm new with ubuntu, and I've some difficulty installing things...00:32
mneptokzero-day: any other questiosn regarding Ubuntu channels and their policies?00:32
mneptokzero-day: apparently not. please type "/part #ubuntu-ops" (no quotes) in your client00:33
zero-dayman, I'm questioning something!00:34
macozero-day: you're asking for support. this channel is not for that.00:34
mneptokone LAST time00:34
mneptokthis. is. not. a. support. channel.00:34
zero-dayso I don't understand what are policies00:35
zero-day:s00:35
macozero-day: rules00:35
zero-dayoh!00:35
zero-dayok, so bye :)00:35
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:34
ubottuFloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:34
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:34
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:34
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:37
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:37
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:41
ubottuFloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:41
Cpudan80Ehh02:41
Cpudan80why did the bot +m #ubuntu ?02:41
bazhangbot attacks02:41
Cpudan80so it +m the channel?02:42
macoif they cant send to the channel, they cant sploit you?02:42
Cpudan80That's stupid02:42
Cpudan80That is not a good idea - the bot should try virtually everything else before +m02:42
macoCpudan80: its not like its permanent02:42
Cpudan80+r would be better02:42
bazhangCpudan80, thanks for your views.02:43
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:43
bazhangCpudan80, was there something else?02:43
Cpudan80I realize that it is not permanent02:43
Cpudan80no that's it02:43
bazhangbye then02:43
Cpudan80it might be good to have the bot notice the channel (or something) if it has to do +m02:43
bazhangMike_lifeguard, how can we help you02:44
bazhangsquircle, something you needed help with?02:44
macobazhang: Mike_lifeguard had a suggestion for the message the floodbots send out02:45
squirclehi everybody; apparently i can't be automatically tested for the DCC exploit in ubuntu-read-topic, and I keep getting spammed with DCC requests... i've connected on port 8001, and I can join #ubuntu, but I keep getting 404: can't send to channel02:45
bazhangmaco, doubt they have time to do it.02:45
squirclei guess i need to be tested manually?02:45
Mike_lifeguardAfter DCC exploits, some info would be nice so the period after -m isn't consumed with "omg, hackers" and the like02:45
bazhang!exploit02:45
ubottuThere are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit02:45
bazhangMike_lifeguard, ^^02:45
* Mike_lifeguard headdesk02:46
bazhangsquircle, you seem to be in now02:47
squircleyep, thanks :)02:47
bazhangMike_lifeguard, thanks for the idea, but we have a factoid already--was there something else?02:47
macobazhang: is the factoid automatically sent?02:48
macoi think there was something Mike_lifeguard said about +C as well, that i didnt understand02:48
bazhangright. that is umode +C to protect the DCC spam02:48
bazhangerr against02:49
bazhangalso want to set /ignore to dcc stuff02:49
macoi think he wanted this: <FloodBot1> NOTICE - If you couldn't speak to the channel during the past minutes, please try again now.02:49
bazhangsquircle, were you trying to notice the channel?02:49
nhandlerYou can also link to http://blog.freenode.net/2009/11/dcc-spam-and-how-to-handle-it/ for info about handling DCC spam02:50
squirclenotice the channel?02:50
macoto include "to prevent such DCC spam, you can set umode +C"02:50
macoor something like that02:50
bazhangsquircle, that will get you banned by the floodbots02:50
macosquircle: /notice or /msg02:50
macoor /query02:50
macoinstead of simply speaking in the channel02:50
squirclemaco: none of those. i just got a bunch of zero-byte DCC requests and got banned.02:51
bazhangsquircle, I saw you say you wanted to /msg #ubuntu02:51
squirclewell, i meant speak in the channel #ubuntu02:51
squirclei know you shouldn't/cant /msg a channel02:51
macoin #ubuntu you said02:51
maco<squircle> i wonder if i'll still get 404 errors when trying to PRIVMSG #ubuntu...02:51
bazhangwell, not without consequences02:52
macoi think thats why bazhang thought you were /notice'ing it02:52
bazhangsquircle, if there is nothing else, please dont idle here02:52
squircleoh, no.02:52
macos/thought/asked if/02:52
squirclealright, thanks everyone :)02:52
bazhangbye02:53
macosquircle: the channel was +m for a bit due to the attack. probably just got cauht in that :)02:53
bazhangboxxy_ was unbanned?02:59
bazhangyep apparently so03:01
linuxguy2009test me03:22
linuxguy2009(10:22:20 PM) FloodBot1: linuxguy2009: Hello, You can't « /join #ubuntu » because of a problem with your connection. Please type « /topic » and read the instructions.03:23
linuxguy2009Someone care to test me so I can connect?03:24
linuxguy2009Alrighty then03:25
FlannelErm03:26
maconice attention span03:41
elkyHello, You can't join #ubuntu because of a problem with your attention span...03:43
mdeonteelky hello?03:50
elkyhi mdeonte, do you have something new to tell me?03:51
ubottumaco called the ops in #ubuntu (sniqqer language and threats)03:56
Flannelmaco: That wasn't a threat03:57
bazhangwhoops03:57
macoFlannel: i thought it was a "i'm gonna hack you" threat03:57
bazhangI misread it too, sorry03:57
FlannelNo, it was a "be careful so you don't arr emm arr eff root" statement03:57
macoi dont see anything about arr emm arr eff...03:59
Flannelmaco: Please remember to take statements with good faith.  Things are easy to misunderstand/misinterpret on the internet.03:59
Flannel19:55 < sniqqer> rivoot: the rm -rf /directory , the spacing is broken between / and directory so it is really close to removing your entire system!!03:59
macoah i see03:59
Flannelbecause the spacing on this website: http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/571-install-flashplayer-in-ubuntu-64-bit- is all wonky03:59
macoi just pm'd an apology04:00
Flannelmaco: in general, *one* statement isn't enough for an ! o p s call, because it's way too easy for a false positive.  catalyze first, administrative things as a last resort.04:00
FlannelAlso, a 'real' "watch your language" statement goes over better than a factoid call04:01
macohe's going to join here04:01
linuxguy2009(11:10:12 PM) The topic for #ubuntu-read-topic is: Your router is buggy 1) Please follow these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to FIX it (yes, it can be fixed) 2) after carrying out those instructions please type « test me » and wait few minutes | if this fails, type « /join #ubuntu-ops » to be tested manually04:11
linuxguy2009Test me please?04:11
Flannellinuxguy2009: Pleaes join -read-topic and get tested there04:11
Flannel(I know you did earlier, but do it again now)04:11
linuxguy2009Ok thank you.04:12
Flannellinuxguy2009: Looks like you're sorted04:13
linuxguy2009Im back again.04:13
linuxguy2009Ok now it worked.04:13
mdeonteelky, Uhm, I dont know what "proof" you want but I have been on here like all day and been helping, talking etc. and i have been trying to reconcile with the people I am bnned from04:14
elkywhat channels have you been helping in?04:15
mdeonte#wikipedia, #freenode,04:24
mdeonte#wikimedia04:25
mdeonteelky^04:53
elkyi'm not seeing anything significant in those channels05:15
elkymdeonte, under what nicknames have you been "helping". answering one question in #freenode is hardly a huge change of behaviour.05:21
mdeonteelky I consider asking questions help too05:38
elkyin this context, it's not.05:39
mdeonteelky, how am I supposed to help people if i am banned in the support channel?05:40
mdeonte"and i have been trying to reconcile with the people I am bnned from" what i said earlier too05:41
mdeonteanned*05:41
mdeontebanned*05:41
elkymdeonte, this isn't about helping your way out of a ban. it's about interacting with a channel in a productive way. lying isn't going to help give that impression. I only looked for "helping" because you said you were giving it.05:43
elkywho have you been trying to reconcile with?05:43
mdeonteyou, Flannel, emma05:44
mdeonteI wasnt lying?05:44
elkysaying seeking assistance is helping is a lie.05:45
elkyand how have you been reconciling with flannel?05:46
mdeonteWhat if someone else wanted to ask that question, or something. I guess it really is not helping, but i dont think that it is a lie05:46
mdeonteelky, I tried to talk to him about my ban being uplifted in #defocus05:46
mdeontele tme see if i still have logs...05:46
mdeonteelky, lol, sorry. It was Plazma05:47
mdeontesorry Flannel :)05:48
mdeonteelky, I have the log https://monteledwards.com/paste/index.php/view/8462531305:49
elkymdeonte, ok. what about the people you threatened in -chicago. have you apologised to them?05:51
mdeontei was thinking about that a couple days ago, i forgot. I probably should do it now05:52
mdeonteelky, he is away.05:53
mdeonteelky, its midnight here, im going to head off to bed.05:55
mdeontegoodnight05:55
elkymdeonte, ok, well if you promise to apologise to -chicago, then i'll let you back in05:56
mdeonteTo the whole channel elky?05:56
elkywell the whole channel saw you be mean05:56
mdeonteelky, It would be pointless now, we're all in the same timezone. and i bet they're asleep05:57
elkywell re-read what i said05:57
elkyi'm asking for you to commit to apologising05:59
mdeonteYeah, I do05:59
mdeonteOh, sorry. its late05:59
mdeonteelky, are we done here?06:01
* mdeonte is going to fall asleep on the keyboard06:01
elkyyes, you'll be unbanned by the time you wake06:01
* elky is having difficulty finding the ban in the list06:01
bazhangelky, he already joined and quit, not sure that he still is banned06:02
mdeontebazhang, Yeah, i am on a different computer06:02
bazhangahh06:02
mdeonteI thought she took off the ban already06:02
mdeontemy computer in indiana is * #ubuntu Banlist: Sat Nov 28 03:03:58 *!*@c-67-186-113-238.hsd1.in.comcast.net elky!n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu06:03
elkymdeonte, ah, your current hostmask is in .il.06:03
mdeonteelky, whatever the IP to monteledwards.com is06:03
mdeonteelky, yeah 67.186.113.23806:04
elkythere, ban gone. i hope not to have to talk to you again.06:04
mdeontethanks alot. im not going to join atm.06:05
mdeontegoodnight elky bazhang06:05
elkynhandler, nixternal, please let me know if he fails to make amends with the peeps in -chicago :)06:06
foxbuntumneptok, hello. What can I do for you.06:54
mneptokfoxbuntu: does this ring a bell - [04:18] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, http://tinyurl.com/2c9np06:55
mneptokhttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/05/%23ubuntu-mythtv.txt06:55
foxbuntumneptok, yes. And I agree in a moment of a lapse of judgement I should not have sent that.06:55
mneptokexcellent. thanks for realizing the mistake. that is all. :)06:56
foxbuntumneptok, to be fair however that particular use continually demeans Mythbuntu users on a regular basis and has been asked to not do so by several developers from the project on multiple occasions.06:57
mneptokwell, recommedning Google is discouraged in all Ubuntu channels06:57
mneptok!google06:57
ubottuWhile Google is useful for helpers, many newer users don't have the google-fu yet. Please don't tell people to "google it" when they ask a question.06:57
foxbuntumneptok, but I should be above that and my actions I take responsibility for.06:57
mneptoksuch rules apply doubly for ops.06:57
mneptokand the site you recommended was demeaning.06:58
foxbuntumneptok, agreed. My mistake, and I will ensure it does not occur twice.06:58
mneptokrather than use URLs like that, ask that the user adhere to the CoC and IRC Guidelines.06:58
mneptokif they fail to do that, you have an excellent reason to ban them from the channel. and banforward here if you like.06:59
foxbuntumneptok, agreed. The user has been told that on several occasions.06:59
mneptokthen next time they do, grab that banhammer. :)06:59
foxbuntumneptok, will do. Again I apologize for my mistake.07:00
mneptokno need to apologize to me.07:00
naliothi would not banforward anyone to a channel the bansetter is not present in07:00
mneptokjust wanted to ensure that if you DO take harsher action, you're standing on a solid footing.07:00
foxbuntumneptok, ok. Thank you.07:00
mneptokno, thank YOU ;)07:01
foxbuntu:)07:01
elkywhy cant they all be like that?07:13
elkyis that *really* so much to ask?07:13
* elky goes and pouts in a corner07:13
* mneptok hands elky the Official Ubuntu Pouting Blanket07:14
mneptokcareful, the corner i suck on is still pretty damp.07:14
elkynonono, i want a tiara, just like palin's little girl07:14
mneptokthe batshit crazy mother comes with it. sure you don't want to blanky?07:15
MadpilotI'd go with blanky, elky07:15
elkyhmm, when you put it that way07:16
mneptoki'm looking for the hair dryer so you can fix that corner ...07:16
KB1JWQTheGreatToilet is trolling in a number of channels; I'm not in his ubuntu channes, but I suspect he's doing the same there.07:19
elkyKB1JWQ, he's been lighting my highlights up quite well, indeed.07:20
Madpilotawesome nick. hasn't found #u yet07:20
* mneptok has no access in any of the channels that user is currently using07:22
bazhanghe was in #xubuntu earlier07:32
Madpilotwhois sez he's in -motu, -devel and a couple of other ubuntu channels; far as I know I lack ops in all of them07:33
Madpilothuh, I do have ops in -irc. Useful to remember.07:34
ubottudarksector called the ops in #ubuntu ()07:48
Madpilotdealt with07:48
ubottujtaji called the ops in #ubuntu (billym13)14:18
elkywho runs floodbot2?14:45
elkyah, nalioth does. nalioth, care to check config of floodbot2 with someone? the exempts it's doing do not look useful... http://paste.ubuntu.com/335937/14:48
tsimpsonelky: that's likely because of the split14:52
tsimpsonie, the bot that sets the session was playing catchup14:52
elkytsimpson, aha14:53
elkythere needs to be a check on that so the ban lists dont get filled up with dud exempts like that :-/14:53
tsimpsonit's probably unlikely that'd happen, unless a lot of people load up webchat during a split14:55
tsimpsonbut then, what to do when it does happen, as far as the floodbot sees, that's the host14:55
elkyit's still something that should be checked for. if the session is "session" then it's probably not worth adding to the chaos.14:57
mdeontehello?17:53
ubottuIn #ubuntu, portn0k said: ubottu: there is no "better", it depends on what youre using the system for and what your goals are17:58
ikoniamdeonte: hello18:02
ikoniamdeonte: do you need something from #ubuntu-ops ?18:04
mdeonteikonia, damn18:17
mdeonteI forgot18:17
mdeonteuh..18:17
mdeonteI knew it was something important too18:17
ikoniamdeonte: ?18:17
ikoniamdeonte: if you don't need anything at this time, come back when you've remembered what you wanted ?18:21
mdeonteikonia, sure. bye18:22
ikonia@mark #ubuntu luis_ removed for ban language after earlier days of asking about proxy server, quite rude and offensive in pm desipte multiple warnings and multiple attempts in pm to calm him - cannot follow instruction or moderate language18:52
ubottuThe operation succeeded.18:52
nhandlerelky: So far, montel (besides a quick join/part last night) has not been in -chicago20:24
ubottuguntbert called the ops in #ubuntu (Shockrates verbal violence)20:51
ubottuShockrates called the ops in #ubuntu (guntbert verbal violence)20:51
Flanneler20:52
FlannelWhere'd that second one come from?20:52
FlannelI don't see it in the channel.  Did he say it as I was removing him, so I didn't see it?20:52
mneptoksecond one what?20:53
mneptok13:51 -!- Shockrates [n=Shockrat@adsl-101.79.107.57.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu20:53
mneptok13:51 < Slart> Bam_Bam: enable compression? you mean on a ntfs file system? not sure if you can20:53
mneptok13:51 < Duskao> ok20:53
mneptok13:51 < Shockrates> !ops | guntbert verbal violence20:53
PriceyFlannel: most likely lag20:53
PriceyFlannel: he got that message into his server, at the time your server had him removed.20:54
Priceyit wouldn't make sense for your server to then give you a message from him in that channel.20:54
* ikonia points attention to mesula (Sam/xcydadasd)21:45
Garyoh, not again22:29
ikoniayup ban dodged 6 channels so far22:29
ikoniaGary: over to you so I don't send nhandler to sleep22:30
Garyoki22:30
ikoniaGary: be aware he's dodging eeepc and eeepc-ot too22:31
ikoniaot22:31
Garyikonia: I know him too well sadly - can you please supply a channel list of ban dodges you have seen22:31
ikoniaI've obviously delt with the ubuntu bans22:31
ikoniaGary: #ubuntu #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu+1 #eeepc-ot #eeepc and I'm not %100 sure on ##linux to be honest22:32
ikoniainfact it looks like his ##linux ban has been cleared actually - I'm wrong on that one22:32
Garywas he just ban dodging or was he as normal offtopic in them?22:33
ikoniafor ubuntu just ban dodging - banned on site to stop his behaviour, #eeepc-ot trying to be a problem / smart mouth, #eeepc silent but dodging22:34
MenZamaco: if he continues, remove or banforward would you say?22:40
macoin -ot? banforward him to ##politics :P22:40
MenZahah22:40
macoits what he wants to discuss, right?22:40
MenZatrue22:41
MenZaI wonder if auto_bleh takes arguments <nick> <channel> <reason> to /af22:41
vorianMenZa: with a bit of editing it could23:05

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