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jbichamhall119|work: what school are you attending?14:41
mhall119USF Poly14:41
mhall119http://poly.usf.edu/14:41
jbicha& what are you studying? :-)14:43
mhall119Information Technology14:43
jbichatake all the classes then!14:45
mhall119I don't have the time or money (or desire) to take everything they offer14:45
mhall119if I didn't have to work full time and pay for this out of my own pocket (or future pocket, as the case may be), I might consider it14:46
jbichawell just take the important ones then, some of the stuff you can probably learn on your own anyway14:47
jbichaI'm currently doing Intro to XML & Intro to Java & plan to do Computer Architecture & Intro to C++ next term14:48
mhall119I'm signed up for Comp Networks + Lab, IT Security Management, Data Structures and Human Computer Interface14:49
mhall119I need to find a humanities or something non-tech for this semester14:50
mhall119obviously I'm going to drop a few14:50
mhall119I wanted to take operating systems, but that has a pre-req on the Data Structures14:51
mhall119I hear the professor makes students run Linux in VirtualBox for their assignments14:51
mhall119my C programming class had all the students install the GNU compiler tools, which I appreciated14:51
mhall119oddly, it was my Java Mobile class that required that I program on Windows, go figure14:52
jbichamy Java teacher uses Fedora but not icedtea...for the basic stuff we do, I haven't had a problem with the free Java implementation14:56
jbichafor my Unix class, I was disappointed that the teacher recommended Cygwin; I thought Linux (Ubuntu, for instance) in VirtualBox would encourage the students to realize there's a lot more usefulness in Linux than just a black & white command line14:58
sbalneavMorning all15:05
mhall119is icedtea still around?15:05
mhall119I thought it was incorporated into OpenJDK15:05
mhall119jbicha: that is kind of sad15:06
mhall119at least a BSD or OpenSolaris for a Unix class15:06
mhall119morning sbalneav15:06
jbichaubuntu still calls the firefox plugin icedtea...15:06
mhall119ah15:06
mhall119I've always used sun-java anyway15:06
mhall119though that may not be in Ubuntu 10.0415:07
jbichamhall119: the professor was one of those old, crusty Unix types :-)15:07
mhall119jbicha: even less reason to like Cygwin then15:07
jbichavery occasionally I run across some app that doesn't work right in icedtea but I don't care about the app enough to bother with it15:08
jbichawell it was useful in that I had never installed cygwin before but...I mean if I have the ability to install random apps then what would I still be doing on WinXP or whatever anyway?15:09
mhall119yeah15:20
mhall119I install Cygwin whenever I have to use Windows at work15:20
mhall119just so I can have bash and grep, really15:20
mhall119and MinTTy and ssh15:21
ograalkisg, sbalneav, have you guys seen nubae around ? he pushed hard for the sugar stuff to get into ubuntu and they are about to remove it from the archive (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-December/006414.html)15:51
alkisgogra: I've seen him maybe a week ago, but he doesn't come frequently here or in #ltsp anymore... The logbot is down for 10 days, and I've tried to ping him to get it up, but I got no response15:52
alkisgI'll try to forward the email you send to his personal mail15:52
ograah, well, i just wanted to give him an opportunity to shout15:52
sbalneavogra: No, I haven't15:52
sbalneavYeah, I couldn't see the exact reason why they want to yank it15:53
ograjust to clean the archive before LTS15:53
sbalneavYeah, but howcome they're not in debian, licensing?15:54
ograif someone takes care of maintenance etc they wont, the point is that these packages are not from debian and nobody in ubuntu maintained them since hardy15:54
ograwell, if you look at squeak, that was licensed very badly but distributable ... which is why i packaged it in breezy ...15:55
alkisgDoesn't scratch and some others depend on squeak?15:55
alkisgetoys...15:55
ogralaser took that over and at some point when the licensing was changed upstream debian pulled squeak in ... but with different package naming scheme15:56
ograso my/laserjocks squeak packages are obsolete and the debian package should be used15:56
sbalneavogra: Later on this week I'm going to submit some packaging work I've done to REVU. For the process of getting MOTU|whatever replaces is15:57
sbalneavit.15:57
ogracool !15:57
ograping me if you need a reviewer15:57
sbalneavI've packaged 2 things from scratch, and done a merge on one package, and I'll do another merge this week.15:57
ograwow15:57
sbalneavyeah, I'll hit you and LaserJock|highvoltage up15:57
sbalneavthey15:58
sbalneavthey're in my ppa15:58
sbalneavI did irssi-xmpp-plugin (update to 0.50) and cnetworkmanager15:58
sbalneavPlus my work on sabayon15:58
ogranice15:58
highvoltagesbalneav: hmm?16:19
sbalneavI might hit you up for revu16:22
sbalneavcheck out my ppa16:23
sbalneavI've been doing some packaging16:23
sbalneavcnetworkmanager I'm proud of: I did that one from scratch.16:23
sbalneavI also wrote a proper manpage for it.16:23
highvoltagesbalneav: great :)16:30
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highvolt1gesbalneav: so cnetworkmanager makes it easy to configure wifi connections from the command line?18:30
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sbalneavhighvoltage: yep18:31
sbalneavcnetworkmanager -n shows you what networks are around18:31
highvoltagesbalneav: nice18:31
ogralike nm-tool does ?18:31
sbalneavyou can set wep and wap keys18:31
sbalneavnm-tool only shows you things18:32
ograyep18:32
sbalneavcnetworkmanager actually allows you to SET things18:33
sbalneavconnect to a network, up/down an interface, etc.18:33
ograyep18:33
sbalneavIt's a nice tool.18:33
* ogra knows cnetworkmanager and is sad upstream didnt include it into nm-tool 18:33
sbalneavyeah, cnetworkmanager should really just become PART of networkmanager18:34
ograbut well ... thats upstream ...18:34
ograright18:34
highvoltageI probably shouldn't install it on a machine that has network manager installed right?18:34
sbalneavNo, go ahead18:34
ograhighvoltage, its a frontend18:34
sbalneavright18:34
sbalneavit's no different from the little gnome-nm-applet thingy18:34
ogralike knetworkmanager or nm-applet18:34
sbalneavother than command-liney :)18:34
sbalneavFor, you know, people who like to type and/or script cool things.18:35
ograweird folks18:35
highvoltageheh18:35
sbalneavHush, you. :)18:35
ograyou mean there are people that dont /click/ on things ?18:36
ograscary !!!18:36
sbalneavThis gui stuff's a passing fad.18:36
highvoltagemy father calls them "linux nerds"18:36
Ahmuck-Jri'm a clicker18:36
sbalneavI still got my wyse60 terminal at the blistering speed of 19.2kbps.18:37
highvoltageI was wondering where those sounds came from18:37
ograsbalneav, so next you should make gpm work with hal ;)18:37
ograthen we can click on things in cnetworkmanager !!18:37
sbalneavCome the apocolypse, WE'LL SEE WHO'S GONNA BE LAUGHING!!!!111one18:37
* sbalneav dons his survivalist gear.18:37
Ahmuck-Jrit won't be linux nerds18:38
mhall119apt-get install apocalypse-survival-tools18:38
mhall119apt-get install apocalypse-survival-tools-dev18:38
highvoltagestgraber: what do you need in order to become a revu reviewer?18:38
Ahmuck-Jrit'll be peeps who took time to visually identify plants, build mechanics, etc.18:38
ograhighvoltage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU ?18:39
mhall119Ahmuck-Jr: ners will have a solar panel and a local copy of Wikipedia18:39
mhall119we'll be the post-apocalyptic medicine-men18:40
sbalneavAhmuck-Jr: Sure it will.  We're people used to doing things for ourselved.18:40
sbalneavSelves18:40
stgraberhighvoltage: any motu can vote IIRC18:40
highvoltageah I need to contact an admin18:41
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