[14:41] <jbicha> mhall119|work: what school are you attending?
[14:41] <mhall119> USF Poly
[14:41] <mhall119> http://poly.usf.edu/
[14:43] <jbicha> & what are you studying? :-)
[14:43] <mhall119> Information Technology
[14:45] <jbicha> take all the classes then!
[14:45] <mhall119> I don't have the time or money (or desire) to take everything they offer
[14:46] <mhall119> if I didn't have to work full time and pay for this out of my own pocket (or future pocket, as the case may be), I might consider it
[14:47] <jbicha> well just take the important ones then, some of the stuff you can probably learn on your own anyway
[14:48] <jbicha> I'm currently doing Intro to XML & Intro to Java & plan to do Computer Architecture & Intro to C++ next term
[14:49] <mhall119> I'm signed up for Comp Networks + Lab, IT Security Management, Data Structures and Human Computer Interface
[14:50] <mhall119> I need to find a humanities or something non-tech for this semester
[14:50] <mhall119> obviously I'm going to drop a few
[14:51] <mhall119> I wanted to take operating systems, but that has a pre-req on the Data Structures
[14:51] <mhall119> I hear the professor makes students run Linux in VirtualBox for their assignments
[14:51] <mhall119> my C programming class had all the students install the GNU compiler tools, which I appreciated
[14:52] <mhall119> oddly, it was my Java Mobile class that required that I program on Windows, go figure
[14:56] <jbicha> my Java teacher uses Fedora but not icedtea...for the basic stuff we do, I haven't had a problem with the free Java implementation
[14:58] <jbicha> for my Unix class, I was disappointed that the teacher recommended Cygwin; I thought Linux (Ubuntu, for instance) in VirtualBox would encourage the students to realize there's a lot more usefulness in Linux than just a black & white command line
[15:05] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:05] <mhall119> is icedtea still around?
[15:05] <mhall119> I thought it was incorporated into OpenJDK
[15:06] <mhall119> jbicha: that is kind of sad
[15:06] <mhall119> at least a BSD or OpenSolaris for a Unix class
[15:06] <mhall119> morning sbalneav
[15:06] <jbicha> ubuntu still calls the firefox plugin icedtea...
[15:06] <mhall119> ah
[15:06] <mhall119> I've always used sun-java anyway
[15:07] <mhall119> though that may not be in Ubuntu 10.04
[15:07] <jbicha> mhall119: the professor was one of those old, crusty Unix types :-)
[15:07] <mhall119> jbicha: even less reason to like Cygwin then
[15:08] <jbicha> very occasionally I run across some app that doesn't work right in icedtea but I don't care about the app enough to bother with it
[15:09] <jbicha> well it was useful in that I had never installed cygwin before but...I mean if I have the ability to install random apps then what would I still be doing on WinXP or whatever anyway?
[15:20] <mhall119> yeah
[15:20] <mhall119> I install Cygwin whenever I have to use Windows at work
[15:20] <mhall119> just so I can have bash and grep, really
[15:21] <mhall119> and MinTTy and ssh
[15:51] <ogra> alkisg, sbalneav, have you guys seen nubae around ? he pushed hard for the sugar stuff to get into ubuntu and they are about to remove it from the archive (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-December/006414.html)
[15:52] <alkisg> ogra: I've seen him maybe a week ago, but he doesn't come frequently here or in #ltsp anymore... The logbot is down for 10 days, and I've tried to ping him to get it up, but I got no response
[15:52] <alkisg> I'll try to forward the email you send to his personal mail
[15:52] <ogra> ah, well, i just wanted to give him an opportunity to shout
[15:52] <sbalneav> ogra: No, I haven't
[15:53] <sbalneav> Yeah, I couldn't see the exact reason why they want to yank it
[15:53] <ogra> just to clean the archive before LTS
[15:54] <sbalneav> Yeah, but howcome they're not in debian, licensing?
[15:54] <ogra> if someone takes care of maintenance etc they wont, the point is that these packages are not from debian and nobody in ubuntu maintained them since hardy
[15:55] <ogra> well, if you look at squeak, that was licensed very badly but distributable ... which is why i packaged it in breezy ...
[15:55] <alkisg> Doesn't scratch and some others depend on squeak?
[15:55] <alkisg> etoys...
[15:56] <ogra> laser took that over and at some point when the licensing was changed upstream debian pulled squeak in ... but with different package naming scheme
[15:56] <ogra> so my/laserjocks squeak packages are obsolete and the debian package should be used
[15:57] <sbalneav> ogra: Later on this week I'm going to submit some packaging work I've done to REVU. For the process of getting MOTU|whatever replaces is
[15:57] <sbalneav> it.
[15:57] <ogra> cool !
[15:57] <ogra> ping me if you need a reviewer
[15:57] <sbalneav> I've packaged 2 things from scratch, and done a merge on one package, and I'll do another merge this week.
[15:57] <ogra> wow
[15:57] <sbalneav> yeah, I'll hit you and LaserJock|highvoltage up
[15:58] <sbalneav> they
[15:58] <sbalneav> they're in my ppa
[15:58] <sbalneav> I did irssi-xmpp-plugin (update to 0.50) and cnetworkmanager
[15:58] <sbalneav> Plus my work on sabayon
[15:58] <ogra> nice
[16:19] <highvoltage> sbalneav: hmm?
[16:22] <sbalneav> I might hit you up for revu
[16:23] <sbalneav> check out my ppa
[16:23] <sbalneav> I've been doing some packaging
[16:23] <sbalneav> cnetworkmanager I'm proud of: I did that one from scratch.
[16:23] <sbalneav> I also wrote a proper manpage for it.
[16:30] <highvoltage> sbalneav: great :)
[18:30] <highvolt1ge> sbalneav: so cnetworkmanager makes it easy to configure wifi connections from the command line?
[18:31] <sbalneav> highvoltage: yep
[18:31] <sbalneav> cnetworkmanager -n shows you what networks are around
[18:31] <highvoltage> sbalneav: nice
[18:31] <ogra> like nm-tool does ?
[18:31] <sbalneav> you can set wep and wap keys
[18:32] <sbalneav> nm-tool only shows you things
[18:32] <ogra> yep
[18:33] <sbalneav> cnetworkmanager actually allows you to SET things
[18:33] <sbalneav> connect to a network, up/down an interface, etc.
[18:33] <ogra> yep
[18:33] <sbalneav> It's a nice tool.
[18:33]  * ogra knows cnetworkmanager and is sad upstream didnt include it into nm-tool 
[18:34] <sbalneav> yeah, cnetworkmanager should really just become PART of networkmanager
[18:34] <ogra> but well ... thats upstream ...
[18:34] <ogra> right
[18:34] <highvoltage> I probably shouldn't install it on a machine that has network manager installed right?
[18:34] <sbalneav> No, go ahead
[18:34] <ogra> highvoltage, its a frontend
[18:34] <sbalneav> right
[18:34] <sbalneav> it's no different from the little gnome-nm-applet thingy
[18:34] <ogra> like knetworkmanager or nm-applet
[18:34] <sbalneav> other than command-liney :)
[18:35] <sbalneav> For, you know, people who like to type and/or script cool things.
[18:35] <ogra> weird folks
[18:35] <highvoltage> heh
[18:35] <sbalneav> Hush, you. :)
[18:36] <ogra> you mean there are people that dont /click/ on things ?
[18:36] <ogra> scary !!!
[18:36] <sbalneav> This gui stuff's a passing fad.
[18:36] <highvoltage> my father calls them "linux nerds"
[18:36] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'm a clicker
[18:37] <sbalneav> I still got my wyse60 terminal at the blistering speed of 19.2kbps.
[18:37] <highvoltage> I was wondering where those sounds came from
[18:37] <ogra> sbalneav, so next you should make gpm work with hal ;)
[18:37] <ogra> then we can click on things in cnetworkmanager !!
[18:37] <sbalneav> Come the apocolypse, WE'LL SEE WHO'S GONNA BE LAUGHING!!!!111one
[18:37]  * sbalneav dons his survivalist gear.
[18:38] <Ahmuck-Jr> it won't be linux nerds
[18:38] <mhall119> apt-get install apocalypse-survival-tools
[18:38] <mhall119> apt-get install apocalypse-survival-tools-dev
[18:38] <highvoltage> stgraber: what do you need in order to become a revu reviewer?
[18:38] <Ahmuck-Jr> it'll be peeps who took time to visually identify plants, build mechanics, etc.
[18:39] <ogra> highvoltage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU ?
[18:39] <mhall119> Ahmuck-Jr: ners will have a solar panel and a local copy of Wikipedia
[18:40] <mhall119> we'll be the post-apocalyptic medicine-men
[18:40] <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Jr: Sure it will.  We're people used to doing things for ourselved.
[18:40] <sbalneav> Selves
[18:40] <stgraber> highvoltage: any motu can vote IIRC
[18:41] <highvoltage> ah I need to contact an admin