=== ogra_ is now known as ogra === ogra is now known as Guest91885 === Guest91885 is now known as ogra [14:41] mhall119|work: what school are you attending? [14:41] USF Poly [14:41] http://poly.usf.edu/ [14:43] & what are you studying? :-) [14:43] Information Technology [14:45] take all the classes then! [14:45] I don't have the time or money (or desire) to take everything they offer [14:46] if I didn't have to work full time and pay for this out of my own pocket (or future pocket, as the case may be), I might consider it [14:47] well just take the important ones then, some of the stuff you can probably learn on your own anyway [14:48] I'm currently doing Intro to XML & Intro to Java & plan to do Computer Architecture & Intro to C++ next term [14:49] I'm signed up for Comp Networks + Lab, IT Security Management, Data Structures and Human Computer Interface [14:50] I need to find a humanities or something non-tech for this semester [14:50] obviously I'm going to drop a few [14:51] I wanted to take operating systems, but that has a pre-req on the Data Structures [14:51] I hear the professor makes students run Linux in VirtualBox for their assignments [14:51] my C programming class had all the students install the GNU compiler tools, which I appreciated [14:52] oddly, it was my Java Mobile class that required that I program on Windows, go figure [14:56] my Java teacher uses Fedora but not icedtea...for the basic stuff we do, I haven't had a problem with the free Java implementation [14:58] for my Unix class, I was disappointed that the teacher recommended Cygwin; I thought Linux (Ubuntu, for instance) in VirtualBox would encourage the students to realize there's a lot more usefulness in Linux than just a black & white command line [15:05] Morning all [15:05] is icedtea still around? [15:05] I thought it was incorporated into OpenJDK [15:06] jbicha: that is kind of sad [15:06] at least a BSD or OpenSolaris for a Unix class [15:06] morning sbalneav [15:06] ubuntu still calls the firefox plugin icedtea... [15:06] ah [15:06] I've always used sun-java anyway [15:07] though that may not be in Ubuntu 10.04 [15:07] mhall119: the professor was one of those old, crusty Unix types :-) [15:07] jbicha: even less reason to like Cygwin then [15:08] very occasionally I run across some app that doesn't work right in icedtea but I don't care about the app enough to bother with it [15:09] well it was useful in that I had never installed cygwin before but...I mean if I have the ability to install random apps then what would I still be doing on WinXP or whatever anyway? [15:20] yeah [15:20] I install Cygwin whenever I have to use Windows at work [15:20] just so I can have bash and grep, really [15:21] and MinTTy and ssh [15:51] alkisg, sbalneav, have you guys seen nubae around ? he pushed hard for the sugar stuff to get into ubuntu and they are about to remove it from the archive (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-December/006414.html) [15:52] ogra: I've seen him maybe a week ago, but he doesn't come frequently here or in #ltsp anymore... The logbot is down for 10 days, and I've tried to ping him to get it up, but I got no response [15:52] I'll try to forward the email you send to his personal mail [15:52] ah, well, i just wanted to give him an opportunity to shout [15:52] ogra: No, I haven't [15:53] Yeah, I couldn't see the exact reason why they want to yank it [15:53] just to clean the archive before LTS [15:54] Yeah, but howcome they're not in debian, licensing? [15:54] if someone takes care of maintenance etc they wont, the point is that these packages are not from debian and nobody in ubuntu maintained them since hardy [15:55] well, if you look at squeak, that was licensed very badly but distributable ... which is why i packaged it in breezy ... [15:55] Doesn't scratch and some others depend on squeak? [15:55] etoys... [15:56] laser took that over and at some point when the licensing was changed upstream debian pulled squeak in ... but with different package naming scheme [15:56] so my/laserjocks squeak packages are obsolete and the debian package should be used [15:57] ogra: Later on this week I'm going to submit some packaging work I've done to REVU. For the process of getting MOTU|whatever replaces is [15:57] it. [15:57] cool ! [15:57] ping me if you need a reviewer [15:57] I've packaged 2 things from scratch, and done a merge on one package, and I'll do another merge this week. [15:57] wow [15:57] yeah, I'll hit you and LaserJock|highvoltage up [15:58] they [15:58] they're in my ppa [15:58] I did irssi-xmpp-plugin (update to 0.50) and cnetworkmanager [15:58] Plus my work on sabayon [15:58] nice [16:19] sbalneav: hmm? [16:22] I might hit you up for revu [16:23] check out my ppa [16:23] I've been doing some packaging [16:23] cnetworkmanager I'm proud of: I did that one from scratch. [16:23] I also wrote a proper manpage for it. [16:30] sbalneav: great :) === stgraber_ is now known as stgraber [18:30] sbalneav: so cnetworkmanager makes it easy to configure wifi connections from the command line? === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [18:31] highvoltage: yep [18:31] cnetworkmanager -n shows you what networks are around [18:31] sbalneav: nice [18:31] like nm-tool does ? [18:31] you can set wep and wap keys [18:32] nm-tool only shows you things [18:32] yep [18:33] cnetworkmanager actually allows you to SET things [18:33] connect to a network, up/down an interface, etc. [18:33] yep [18:33] It's a nice tool. [18:33] * ogra knows cnetworkmanager and is sad upstream didnt include it into nm-tool [18:34] yeah, cnetworkmanager should really just become PART of networkmanager [18:34] but well ... thats upstream ... [18:34] right [18:34] I probably shouldn't install it on a machine that has network manager installed right? [18:34] No, go ahead [18:34] highvoltage, its a frontend [18:34] right [18:34] it's no different from the little gnome-nm-applet thingy [18:34] like knetworkmanager or nm-applet [18:34] other than command-liney :) [18:35] For, you know, people who like to type and/or script cool things. [18:35] weird folks [18:35] heh [18:35] Hush, you. :) [18:36] you mean there are people that dont /click/ on things ? [18:36] scary !!! [18:36] This gui stuff's a passing fad. [18:36] my father calls them "linux nerds" [18:36] i'm a clicker [18:37] I still got my wyse60 terminal at the blistering speed of 19.2kbps. [18:37] I was wondering where those sounds came from [18:37] sbalneav, so next you should make gpm work with hal ;) [18:37] then we can click on things in cnetworkmanager !! [18:37] Come the apocolypse, WE'LL SEE WHO'S GONNA BE LAUGHING!!!!111one [18:37] * sbalneav dons his survivalist gear. [18:38] it won't be linux nerds [18:38] apt-get install apocalypse-survival-tools [18:38] apt-get install apocalypse-survival-tools-dev [18:38] stgraber: what do you need in order to become a revu reviewer? [18:38] it'll be peeps who took time to visually identify plants, build mechanics, etc. [18:39] highvoltage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU ? [18:39] Ahmuck-Jr: ners will have a solar panel and a local copy of Wikipedia [18:40] we'll be the post-apocalyptic medicine-men [18:40] Ahmuck-Jr: Sure it will. We're people used to doing things for ourselved. [18:40] Selves [18:40] highvoltage: any motu can vote IIRC [18:41] ah I need to contact an admin === mhall1191 is now known as mhall119