| * jml is back. | 00:11 | |
| jml | my headset snapped :( | 00:11 |
|---|---|---|
| jml | I wonder if there's an equally compatible headset that travels better. | 00:11 |
| jml | poolie, hi | 00:11 |
| jml | spm, hi :) | 00:15 |
| spm | jml: hey hey! | 00:17 |
| spm | jml: you're (relatively) in town? | 00:17 |
| jml | spm, indeed. I'm in Tassie. | 00:17 |
| spm | ahh. for christmas, of course | 00:18 |
| jml | spm, christmas and a wedding. | 00:18 |
| spm | I was going to say, you'll miss a white christmas; and then I remembered what the weather is like in tas. ;-) | 00:18 |
| jml | spm, haha | 00:18 |
| jml | spm, it's not precisely summer weather right now, but it's a damn sight better than London weather. | 00:19 |
| spm | gee the bar's low there! ;-) | 00:19 |
| jml | :D | 00:20 |
| * spm recalls a coworker back in the 90's describing driving from Hobart to Lancestion (I think it was... whatever). in winter. drivers door open; him looking straight down at the double lines to know if he was still on the road or not. total snow whiteout. | 00:21 | |
| spm | the trip in question would have been in the 60's or 70's. | 00:21 |
| jml | :) | 00:23 |
| jml | spm, every trip through the midlands is a trip through the 70s, so to speak. | 00:24 |
| spm | dear $deity. it must have been like the 1800's back then then!!!! ZOMG! | 00:24 |
| jml | spm, the 1800s in Tasmania were pretty scary. | 00:26 |
| spm | canberra wasn't much chop either ;-) | 00:26 |
| jml | heh | 00:27 |
| jml | probably had fewer cannibals. | 00:27 |
| spm | and jml scores the conversation point with that *perfect* one liner | 00:27 |
| jml | spm, :) | 00:39 |
| maxb | wgrant: btw, I had an added postinst script in my python-defaults for karmic. I think we still want it in lucid | 00:44 |
| poolie | hello jml, spm | 00:44 |
| spm | hey poolie | 00:45 |
| mwhudson | jml: so what is bug q&a? | 00:45 |
| jml | mwhudson, questions on the bug page designed to guide the bug toward completeness. | 00:47 |
| mwhudson | jml: ah ok | 00:47 |
| jml | mwhudson, when would be a good time for that call? | 01:01 |
| mwhudson | jml: i guess in about 2 minutes would be good for me | 01:02 |
| jml | cool. | 01:03 |
| wgrant | jml: It is far too summery, TYVM. | 01:20 |
| wgrant | spm: Since it's post-release, are you going to have time at some point to update the buildbot AMIs? | 01:25 |
| mwhudson | jml: sorry about that, go again? | 01:27 |
| jml | mwhudson, sure | 01:28 |
| spm | wgrant: if and when they need new lp-deps etc, yes. we petard'ed nicely on the last updated as we rebuilt with lp-deps being behind; which broke (or would have) edge | 01:28 |
| wgrant | spm: This particular update isn't necessary for appservers at all -- does launchpad-dependencies still need a versioned dep? | 01:29 |
| wgrant | Only a few of the production machines are likely to have this, I suspect. | 01:30 |
| thumper | mwhudson: you free to talk to? | 01:38 |
| mwhudson | thumper: was on with jml, free now | 01:39 |
| spm | wgrant: sorry - wasn't ignoring you; just caught up on other stuff. I suspect I'm not understanding the Q; what needs to be updated - exactly - and why? if it's not in lp-deps; and thus doesn't need to go on (all) LP servers; it shouldn't be on the buildbots either. They're the smoketest as it were. | 02:00 |
| wgrant | spm: It's dpkg-dev. It's needed by the test suite, cocoplum, germanium, iron, and the buildds. | 02:01 |
| wgrant | spm: Nothing will break if those machines don't have it -- they will just reject the new formats. | 02:02 |
| wgrant | But the test suite verifies that it works. | 02:02 |
| spm | then it needs being in lp-devs, and rolled out to all machines. else we set ourselves a timebomb. | 02:02 |
| wgrant | I don't really see how it's a timebomb if it just pleasantly rejects new source formats, but OK. | 02:05 |
| spm | in that down the track some porr sysadmin is going to be trying to debug why the "was working" servers are now pleasantly rejecting new source formats. Not good. :-) | 02:06 |
| wgrant | Perhaps. | 02:07 |
| wgrant | Do all the servers to which you deploy use the ~launchpad PPA? | 02:07 |
| spm | if we need it to do X; it's in the deps. else it becomes an undocument timebomb. | 02:07 |
| spm | we have an internal version of; but all lp servers need lp-deps; yes. | 02:07 |
| spm | in fact we blew up on the release on Fri with one server that was missing same. so... | 02:08 |
| wgrant | I mean, where do I need to get the new dpkg in order to not break the world when the versioned dep is added to lp-deps? | 02:08 |
| thumper | mwhudson: bzr merge -i :next | 02:09 |
| * jml -> lunch | 02:09 | |
| spm | wgrant: ahh I see what you're you're getting at. aiui, the versions in the PPA's are essentially what we use on the servers. I believe lamont does some magic to make it work for us; but I've not yet had the pleasure of exploring that. I expect that to change RSN. | 02:13 |
| wgrant | spm: So the world will end (and edge updates will break) if launchpad-dependencies grows a new versioned dpkg dependency now, won't it? | 02:14 |
| wgrant | ISTM that the lamont magic should probably be done first. | 02:15 |
| spm | I guess so. but if it doesn't pass buildbot - which should fail it first - it shouldn't break edge or staging; if it does, then that's a fail somewhere that needs fixing. | 02:16 |
| wgrant | So, do I poke lamont about this, or is there some predefined process that would best be performed by somebody real? | 02:17 |
| spm | wgrant: at risk of getting smacked by him for throwing him in the hotseat; lamont will have a far better idea of process for these than I do. :-( | 02:29 |
| wgrant | And I suppose he EODed a couple of hours ago. | 02:30 |
| mwhudson | wgrant: i don't think he works sundays | 02:33 |
| wgrant | mwhudson: Um, that too. | 02:34 |
| mwhudson | hm, branch page css is very odd on launchpad.dev | 04:26 |
| mwhudson | i guess a prophylactic 'make clean build' is worth a go | 04:27 |
| * jml back | 04:46 | |
| thumper | arse | 04:53 |
| thumper | I've hit an unexpected failure | 04:53 |
| thumper | but I'm cooking dinner now | 04:53 |
| thumper | I'll be back later to fix it | 04:53 |
| mwhudson | hm, dinner, that's an interesting idea | 04:55 |
| jml | pshaw. | 04:55 |
| * mwhudson biab too | 04:58 | |
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| adeuring | good moring | 08:17 |
| mrevell | Morning | 09:23 |
| Daviey | and what a miserable one it is mrevell :) | 09:26 |
| mrevell | Daviey, Very dark and damp | 09:31 |
| maxb | sinzui: Rude? Why is changing a bug title to be more accurate rude!? | 09:33 |
| maxb | [bug 400643] | 09:33 |
| danilos | henninge, btw, do you think "Low Saxon" is a decent enough name for Low German so it's not easily confused by German in LP? (i.e. see bug 433645) | 10:39 |
| mup | Bug #433645: The difference between "German" and "German, Low" is not clear enough. <Launchpad Translations:Fix Released by danilo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/433645> | 10:39 |
| henninge | danilos: I have read that term before and always wondered what the language had to do with Saxony. | 10:47 |
| henninge | ;) | 10:47 |
| danilos | henninge, I only trusted Wikipedia, if you think 'Low German' is good enough, let's just go with that | 10:48 |
| henninge | danilos: Well, I think to those that know the language, "Low German" is much more easily recognisible. | 10:48 |
| danilos | henninge, as for what it has to do with Saxony, it's just an area that is "low on Saxoners" :) | 10:48 |
| henninge | lol | 10:49 |
| henninge | Yes, definitely. | 10:49 |
| henninge | danilos: I just read the corresponding German wikipedia entry and it does not mention "Niedersächsisch" as a name for the language. | 10:50 |
| danilos | henninge, I guess that comes from the Dutch "Nedersaksisch" | 10:51 |
| henninge | danilos: I'd prefer Low German. We could add the native name "Plattdüütsch" to make it clear to speakers. | 10:52 |
| danilos | henninge, if we start adding native names, we should do it for all languages, and make them preferred in the UI, thus making for very fun listings :) | 10:52 |
| henninge | danilos: yes, I read that but as we also have a German state called "Niedersachsen", that term is not used for the language with is used in a much wider area. | 10:53 |
| henninge | danilos: hang on ... | 10:53 |
| danilos | henninge, I've changed it to Low German, I think that's good enough for now | 10:53 |
| henninge | cool | 10:53 |
| danilos | henninge, come on, you've got a state for everything! | 10:53 |
| deryck | Morning, all. | 11:02 |
| henninge | Morning, one. | 11:02 |
| henninge | ;) | 11:02 |
| deryck | heh. | 11:05 |
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| === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch | ||
| wgrant | Hmm. | 11:51 |
| wgrant | Some BRANCH.TODO changes just landed on devel. | 11:51 |
| wgrant | I didn't think that was meant to be possible. | 11:51 |
| salgado | possibly my fault | 11:52 |
| * salgado checks | 11:52 | |
| salgado | it is possible because PQM doesn't run the test suite anymore. it will fail later on buildbot | 11:53 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 11:54 |
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| BjornT_ | danilos: did you try applying that patch mars gave you, to fix the failing windmill test? | 12:49 |
| === henninge-lunch is now known as henninge | ||
| BjornT_ | salgado: could you (or someone else that knows a bit about packaging, maxb maybe?) review this patch to meta-lp-deps? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bjornt/meta-lp-deps/windmill-headless/+merge/15749 | 12:53 |
| BjornT_ | it only adds a few dependencies, but i've never done it before, so i'd like someone to double check that everything is ok | 12:53 |
| maxb | I'll look at it once LP gets round to making the diff :-) | 12:54 |
| BjornT_ | maxb: thanks :) | 12:54 |
| danilos | BjornT_: I am going to do that today, it's up on my long list of things to do today :) | 12:57 |
| BjornT_ | danilos: cool :) | 12:57 |
| === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell | ||
| maxb | BjornT_: Hardy, of course, only has Firefox 2... is that adequate? | 13:02 |
| BjornT_ | maxb: yes, that's fine. i'm quite sure that's what the jscheck buildbot slave is using when running the windmill tests. | 13:06 |
| maxb | In that case, amend the changelog to mention which of the three packages you are adding the dependencies to, and r=me | 13:07 |
| BjornT_ | maxb: cool, i'll do that. thanks! | 13:17 |
| BjornT_ | maxb: will the dput command in https://dev.launchpad.net/LaunchpadPpa work without having a .dput.cf file? | 13:32 |
| maxb | Yes, the needed config is included in /etc/dput.cf since ... um, intrepid maybe | 13:32 |
| BjornT_ | maxb: cool. so https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading should probably be updated then | 13:33 |
| BjornT_ | bigjools, mrevell: ^^^ | 13:33 |
| * mrevell looks | 13:34 | |
| mrevell | so maxb, should I update the help doc to recommend using /etc/dput.cf instead of ~/.dput.cf? | 13:37 |
| maxb | /etc/dput.cf is shipped in the dput package | 13:37 |
| maxb | On any recent Ubuntu, people should be advised that they don't need to do anything with config files at all | 13:37 |
| maxb | Just dput ppa:theiruserid/theirppaname | 13:38 |
| mrevell | cool, thanks maxb | 13:44 |
| flacoste | morning launchpadders | 14:17 |
| bigjools | morning flacoste | 14:18 |
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| sinzui | Chex: ping | 15:40 |
| === mrevell changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: This is Launchpad Development Channel | Week 1 of 3.1.12 | PQM is open for srs bsns | I am Zero OOPS and So Can You! http://is.gd/4fkLl | https://dev.launchpad.net/ | Get the code: https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting | On-call review in #launchpad-reviews | Use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ for pastes | This channel is | ||
| sinzui | mthaddon: ping | 15:46 |
| Chex | sinzui: hello | 15:47 |
| sinzui | Chex : can you choose the Delete action for this series and confirm the page says you cannot because it has translations: https://staging.launchpad.net/do/trunk | 15:47 |
| mthaddon | sinzui: hi | 15:47 |
| sinzui | mthaddon: unping, | 15:47 |
| * mthaddon wanders | 15:47 | |
| Chex | sinzui: This series cannot be deleted because it has translations. :: looks correct, then. | 15:48 |
| sinzui | Chex: thanks. There is now one less way to shoot-yourself-in-the-foot | 15:49 |
| gmb | FAIL: http://people.canonical.com/~gbinns/timeout-fail.png | 15:49 |
| gmb | So, anyone know of a page that's guaranteed to timeout on LP? If not, does anyone know of a good way to cause a timeout in lp.dev? | 15:50 |
| Chex | sinzui: I'm all in favour of that! Thanks.. | 15:51 |
| gmb | Hurrah for bug #1 on staging! | 15:57 |
| mup | Bug #1: Microsoft has a majority market share <iso-testing> <ubuntu> <Clubdistro:Confirmed> <Computer Science Ubuntu:Confirmed for compscibuntu-bugs> <easypeasy Overview:In Progress by ramvi> <Ichthux:Confirmed for raphink> <JAK LINUX:Confirmed> <OpenOffice:Confirmed for lh-maviya> <Tabuntu:Confirmed for tinarussell> <Tivion:Confirmed for shakaran> <Ubuntu:In Progress by sabdfl> <ubuntu-express (Ubuntu):Invalid by jahyire2006> <Ubuntu Jaunty:In | 15:57 |
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| sinzui | Chex: ping | 16:26 |
| Chex | sinzui: hello | 16:29 |
| sinzui | Chex: Can you change a word in this team's description and choose save? I am test that that the page does not oops because it has a zillion members: https://staging.launchpad.net/~locoteams/+edit | 16:29 |
| sinzui | EdwinGrubbs: Can you test the IE7-8 activator bug? Do we need help from matsubara-lunch or Ursinha? | 16:33 |
| Chex | sinzui: no such luck: Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. | 16:34 |
| sinzui | Chex: may I see the oops report? I want to see if it related to | 16:35 |
| sinzui | ShortListTooBigError: Hard limit of 5000 exceeded. | 16:35 |
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| EdwinGrubbs | sinzui: it can't be tested on staging or edge, since I only fixed it lazr-js, and launchpad disables all YUI with its on if-statement that checks whether the browser is IE. | 16:35 |
| Chex | sinzui: sure: here is the pastebin of it: https://pastebin.canonical.com/25438/ | 16:35 |
| sinzui | Chex: excellent, we have fixed enough of the problem to discover another bug | 16:36 |
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| sinzui | EdwinGrubbs: Do you think we should move the activator item to the?? section on https://dev.launchpad.net/RegistryTeam/RegistryTestPlans/3.1.12 | 16:40 |
| EdwinGrubbs | sinzui: sure, I'll do that. | 16:41 |
| bac | Chex: can you redo the same test you did for sinzui on edge: https://edge.launchpad.net/~locoteams/+edit - just making an innocuous change to the team name. | 17:30 |
| bac | displayname, i should say | 17:30 |
| sinzui | bac: the change did work on staging. They descriptions are difference | 17:30 |
| bac | sinzui: yeah, but i was curious if the timeout happens on edge | 17:30 |
| sinzui | bac: the staging issue as the members portlet | 17:31 |
| bac | sinzui: ok | 17:31 |
| bac | sinzui: on an unrelated note, did you know https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+packaging is always timing out | 17:32 |
| sinzui | bac: yes I did, where were you during our standup what I talked abut the branch I have in review that adds a batch navigator and does not render links to non-distroseries packages? | 17:34 |
| bac | sinzui: mars | 17:34 |
| sinzui | bac: abentley approved it. I am sending to ec2 now | 17:35 |
| sinzui | I expect that page to be much smaller tomorrow | 17:35 |
| bac | good | 17:35 |
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| mrevell | night all | 18:00 |
| sinzui | bac: EdwinGrubbs: release planning in 2 minutes. https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+spec/ubuntu-link-to-upstream | 18:01 |
| bac | oops | 18:12 |
| sinzui | bac: EdwinGrubbs: | 18:18 |
| sinzui | https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+packages | 18:18 |
| sinzui | bac: EdwinGrubbs: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/bzr | 18:26 |
| sinzui | bac: EdwinGrubbs: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gimp-help | 18:28 |
| sinzui | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/tomboy | 18:38 |
| sinzui | bac: EdwinGrubbs: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport | 18:49 |
| bac | EdwinGrubbs: this one: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gimp-help/+edit-packaging | 19:00 |
| thumper | morning | 19:53 |
| thumper | anyone following #launchpad that knows about translations? | 19:53 |
| thumper | rockstar, abentley: I forgot to mention in the standup, we have a new location for code related exception classes: lp.code.errors | 20:36 |
| thumper | currently only in db-devel | 20:36 |
| thumper | but this is a short cycle | 20:36 |
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| * thumper feels like he is talking to himself today | 20:38 | |
| rockstar | thumper, great, thanks. | 20:39 |
| adiroiban | how is new testdate added to the testrunner database? what is the process? | 21:18 |
| wgrant | adiroiban: 1) Realise that you don't want to do that, and you should generate the data yourself at test-time. | 21:19 |
| wgrant | (sample data for tests is deprecated) | 21:19 |
| adiroiban | wgrant: :) ok | 21:19 |
| adiroiban | thanks | 21:19 |
| adiroiban | and there are no exception from this policy ? | 21:26 |
| wgrant | adiroiban: It's not a strict policy. But why do you want to violate it? | 21:27 |
| adiroiban | I need to add a person for a new role | 21:28 |
| wgrant | Ah, that's a rather different case. | 21:28 |
| mwhudson | adiroiban: have you seen the LaunchpadObjectFactory? | 21:28 |
| adiroiban | and there will be many test for this new person | 21:28 |
| adiroiban | mwhudson: nope. I'm lookink now | 21:31 |
| adiroiban | there is scarce info on the wiki | 21:31 |
| mwhudson | yes | 21:32 |
| mwhudson | lib/lp/testing/factory.py | 21:32 |
| adiroiban | mwhudson: thanks. I should be able to handle it. Is just that I was not sure about the process | 21:36 |
| mwhudson | adiroiban: certainly adding to sample data is discouraged now | 21:37 |
| mwhudson | adiroiban: if you're adding a new celebrity (as in ILaunchpadCelebrities) then maybe this could be relaxed... | 21:37 |
| adiroiban | mwhudson: is not about a celebrity :). I will create that person/role in the pagetest | 21:39 |
| mwhudson | cool | 21:39 |
| tshirtman | hi, is there launchpad admins here? | 21:56 |
| * mwhudson points at mbarnett or Chex | 21:57 | |
| * wgrant guesses that henning didn't get through feedback@ yesterday. | 21:57 | |
| tshirtman | it's about an issue we spoke about on launchpad but a friends told me it was better to tell it here | 21:57 |
| wgrant | tshirtman: Did you email it as suggested? | 21:58 |
| tshirtman | we discussed with henning but the probleme is still there | 21:58 |
| wgrant | But yes, here is good. | 21:58 |
| tshirtman | well we did not wanted to let it be too public (so not in the tracker) | 21:58 |
| tshirtman | it's about that kind of "projects" https://launchpad.net/~accusatoriauaer | 21:59 |
| tshirtman | its spam with porn, and possibly child porn | 22:00 |
| jml | good morning launchpadders | 22:00 |
| tshirtman | we found a bunch of these earlyer | 22:00 |
| McPeter | i send two email with list bad account | 22:02 |
| McPeter | (sorry … hi ) | 22:02 |
| tshirtman | sent* | 22:03 |
| tshirtman | it was yesterday | 22:03 |
| McPeter | thanks tshirtman :) | 22:03 |
| tshirtman | (we are french) | 22:03 |
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| tshirtman | so it was only to be sure somebody had the time to handle that | 22:05 |
| tshirtman | because we feel it's a bit urgent because of the possible child pornography, and the possible malware (website send random exe files on links) | 22:07 |
| jml | poolie, good morning | 22:08 |
| mwhudson | jml: were you really online about 5:30 am your time? | 22:09 |
| jml | mwhudson, I was awake, but I don't think I was online. Why do you ask? | 22:11 |
| mwhudson | jml: notify-osd told me you were online | 22:11 |
| jml | I might have checked my phone then, I seriously hope it wasn't transmitting bytes | 22:11 |
| mwhudson | jml: good morning, anyway | 22:11 |
| jml | oh yeah. connected the home wifi. tis ok | 22:12 |
| jml | it's less than £6 / MB | 22:12 |
| jml | mwhudson, hi :) | 22:12 |
| mwhudson | roaming data rates just seem utterly insane | 22:13 |
| jml | yes. | 22:13 |
| jml | even by the standards of someone used to Australian internet | 22:13 |
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| mwhudson | heh | 22:19 |
| mwhudson | if they were a bit less insane, it's possible that somebody somewhere might actually use them | 22:19 |
| jml | indeed | 22:21 |
| * tshirtman has a 3G connexion for 30€/month in france, 1G with good bandwith, and then unlimited with low bandwidth | 22:21 | |
| mwhudson | tshirtman: but if you were to use that connection from, say, the uk, you would be charged something nuts i expect | 22:22 |
| tshirtman | oh yes | 22:22 |
| jml | which is ridiculous | 22:22 |
| tshirtman | ^ | 22:22 |
| jml | europe should be one country for the purposes of mobile phone usage, dammit. | 22:23 |
| mwhudson | at least in nz there's an obvious reason for internet to be a bit slow and expensive :) | 22:23 |
| tshirtman | we had some people near of french border who accidentaly switch to foreign network, and got insane fees | 22:23 |
| mars | jml, have you looked at getting a SIM from a virtual mobile network provider? | 22:24 |
| ajmitch | mwhudson: a bit slow & expensive yes, but not this extortionate :) | 22:24 |
| mwhudson | ajmitch: right | 22:24 |
| thumper | abentley: where are we with https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/436325 ? | 22:37 |
| mup | Bug #436325: Diffstat generation chokes on binaries (and others) <oops> <Bazaar:Fix Committed by abentley> <Bazaar 2.0:Fix Committed by abentley> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged by abentley> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/436325> | 22:37 |
| abentley | thumper: I dunno, we have committed something, but it doesn't completely solve it, and I don't know why. | 22:38 |
| thumper | abentley: ok | 22:38 |
| thumper | abentley: is that malformed hunk header one? | 22:39 |
| abentley | thumper: Yes. | 22:39 |
| thumper | ah ok | 22:39 |
| jml | back | 22:45 |
| * mwhudson lunches | 23:15 | |
| adiroiban | after running rocketfuel-get do I need to manualy merge the db changes? | 23:26 |
| adiroiban | i got this error canonical.database.revision.InvalidDatabaseRevision: patch-2207-10-0.sql has not been applied to the database | 23:27 |
| ajmitch | I think that requires 'make schema', doesn't it? | 23:30 |
| adiroiban | ajmitch: thanks! up and running now :) | 23:44 |
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