[00:11]  * jml is back.
[00:11] <jml> my headset snapped :(
[00:11] <jml> I wonder if there's an equally compatible headset that travels better.
[00:11] <jml> poolie, hi
[00:15] <jml> spm, hi :)
[00:17] <spm> jml: hey hey!
[00:17] <spm> jml: you're (relatively) in town?
[00:17] <jml> spm, indeed. I'm in Tassie.
[00:18] <spm> ahh. for christmas, of course
[00:18] <jml> spm, christmas and a wedding.
[00:18] <spm> I was going to say, you'll miss a white christmas; and then I remembered what the weather is like in tas. ;-)
[00:18] <jml> spm, haha
[00:19] <jml> spm, it's not precisely summer weather right now, but it's a damn sight better than London weather.
[00:19] <spm> gee the bar's low there! ;-)
[00:20] <jml> :D
[00:21]  * spm recalls a coworker back in the 90's describing driving from Hobart to Lancestion (I think it was... whatever). in winter. drivers door open; him looking straight down at the double lines to know if he was still on the road or not. total snow whiteout.
[00:21] <spm> the trip in question would have been in the 60's or 70's.
[00:23] <jml> :)
[00:24] <jml> spm, every trip through the midlands is a trip through the 70s, so to speak.
[00:24] <spm> dear $deity. it must have been like the 1800's back then then!!!! ZOMG!
[00:26] <jml> spm, the 1800s in Tasmania were pretty scary.
[00:26] <spm> canberra wasn't much chop either ;-)
[00:27] <jml> heh
[00:27] <jml> probably had fewer cannibals.
[00:27] <spm> and jml scores the conversation point with that *perfect* one liner
[00:39] <jml> spm, :)
[00:44] <maxb> wgrant: btw, I had an added postinst script in my python-defaults for karmic. I think we still want it in lucid
[00:44] <poolie> hello jml, spm
[00:45] <spm> hey poolie
[00:45] <mwhudson> jml: so what is bug q&a?
[00:47] <jml> mwhudson, questions on the bug page designed to guide the bug toward completeness.
[00:47] <mwhudson> jml: ah ok
[01:01] <jml> mwhudson, when would be a good time for that call?
[01:02] <mwhudson> jml: i guess in about 2 minutes would be good for me
[01:03] <jml> cool.
[01:20] <wgrant> jml: It is far too summery, TYVM.
[01:25] <wgrant> spm: Since it's post-release, are you going to have time at some point to update the buildbot AMIs?
[01:27] <mwhudson> jml: sorry about that, go again?
[01:28] <jml> mwhudson, sure
[01:28] <spm> wgrant: if and when they need new lp-deps etc, yes. we petard'ed nicely on the last updated as we rebuilt with lp-deps being behind; which broke (or would have) edge
[01:29] <wgrant> spm: This particular update isn't necessary for appservers at all -- does launchpad-dependencies still need a versioned dep?
[01:30] <wgrant> Only a few of the production machines are likely to have this, I suspect.
[01:38] <thumper> mwhudson: you free to talk to?
[01:39] <mwhudson> thumper: was on with jml, free now
[02:00] <spm> wgrant: sorry - wasn't ignoring you; just caught up on other stuff. I suspect I'm not understanding the Q; what needs to be updated - exactly - and why? if it's not in lp-deps; and thus doesn't need to go on (all) LP servers; it shouldn't be on the buildbots either. They're the smoketest as it were.
[02:01] <wgrant> spm: It's dpkg-dev. It's needed by the test suite, cocoplum, germanium, iron, and the buildds.
[02:02] <wgrant> spm: Nothing will break if those machines don't have it -- they will just reject the new formats.
[02:02] <wgrant> But the test suite verifies that it works.
[02:02] <spm> then it needs being in lp-devs, and rolled out to all machines. else we set ourselves a timebomb.
[02:05] <wgrant> I don't really see how it's a timebomb if it just pleasantly rejects new source formats, but OK.
[02:06] <spm> in that down the track some porr sysadmin is going to be trying to debug why the "was working" servers are now pleasantly rejecting new source formats. Not good. :-)
[02:07] <wgrant> Perhaps.
[02:07] <wgrant> Do all the servers to which you deploy use the ~launchpad PPA?
[02:07] <spm> if we need it to do X; it's in the deps. else it becomes an undocument timebomb.
[02:07] <spm> we have an internal version of; but all lp servers need lp-deps; yes.
[02:08] <spm> in fact we blew up on the release on Fri with one server that was missing same. so...
[02:08] <wgrant> I mean, where do I need to get the new dpkg in order to not break the world when the versioned dep is added to lp-deps?
[02:09] <thumper> mwhudson: bzr merge -i :next
[02:09]  * jml -> lunch
[02:13] <spm> wgrant: ahh I see what you're you're getting at. aiui, the versions in the PPA's are essentially what we use on the servers. I believe lamont does some magic to make it work for us; but I've not yet had the pleasure of exploring that. I expect that to change RSN.
[02:14] <wgrant> spm: So the world will end (and edge updates will break) if launchpad-dependencies grows a new versioned dpkg dependency now, won't it?
[02:15] <wgrant> ISTM that the lamont magic should probably be done first.
[02:16] <spm> I guess so. but if it doesn't pass buildbot - which should fail it first - it shouldn't break edge or staging; if it does, then that's a fail somewhere that needs fixing.
[02:17] <wgrant> So, do I poke lamont about this, or is there some predefined process that would best be performed by somebody real?
[02:29] <spm> wgrant: at risk of getting smacked by him for throwing him in the hotseat; lamont will have a far better idea of process for these than I do. :-(
[02:30] <wgrant> And I suppose he EODed a couple of hours ago.
[02:33] <mwhudson> wgrant: i don't think he works sundays
[02:34] <wgrant> mwhudson: Um, that too.
[04:26] <mwhudson> hm, branch page css is very odd on launchpad.dev
[04:27] <mwhudson> i guess a prophylactic 'make clean build' is worth a go
[04:46]  * jml back
[04:53] <thumper> arse
[04:53] <thumper> I've hit an unexpected failure
[04:53] <thumper> but I'm cooking dinner now
[04:53] <thumper> I'll be back later to fix it
[04:55] <mwhudson> hm, dinner, that's an interesting idea
[04:55] <jml> pshaw.
[04:58]  * mwhudson biab too
[08:17] <adeuring> good moring
[09:23] <mrevell> Morning
[09:26] <Daviey> and what a miserable one it is mrevell :)
[09:31] <mrevell> Daviey, Very dark and damp
[09:33] <maxb> sinzui: Rude? Why is changing a bug title to be more accurate rude!?
[09:33] <maxb> [bug 400643]
[10:39] <danilos> henninge, btw, do you think "Low Saxon" is a decent enough name for Low German so it's not easily confused by German in LP? (i.e. see bug 433645)
[10:39] <mup> Bug #433645: The difference between "German" and "German, Low" is not clear enough. <Launchpad Translations:Fix Released by danilo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/433645>
[10:47] <henninge> danilos: I have read that term before and always wondered what the language had to do with Saxony.
[10:47] <henninge> ;)
[10:48] <danilos> henninge, I only trusted Wikipedia, if you think 'Low German' is good enough, let's just go with that
[10:48] <henninge> danilos: Well, I think to those that know the language, "Low German" is much more easily recognisible.
[10:48] <danilos> henninge, as for what it has to do with Saxony, it's just an area that is "low on Saxoners" :)
[10:49] <henninge> lol
[10:49] <henninge> Yes, definitely.
[10:50] <henninge> danilos: I just read the corresponding German wikipedia entry and it does not mention "Niedersächsisch" as a name for the language.
[10:51] <danilos> henninge, I guess that comes from the Dutch "Nedersaksisch"
[10:52] <henninge> danilos: I'd prefer Low German. We could add the native name "Plattdüütsch" to make it clear to speakers.
[10:52] <danilos> henninge, if we start adding native names, we should do it for all languages, and make them preferred in the UI, thus making for very fun listings :)
[10:53] <henninge> danilos: yes, I read that but as we also have a German state called "Niedersachsen", that term is not used for the language with is used in a much wider area.
[10:53] <henninge> danilos: hang on ...
[10:53] <danilos> henninge, I've changed it to Low German, I think that's good enough for now
[10:53] <henninge> cool
[10:53] <danilos> henninge, come on, you've got a state for everything!
[11:02] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:02] <henninge> Morning, one.
[11:02] <henninge> ;)
[11:05] <deryck> heh.
[11:51] <wgrant> Hmm.
[11:51] <wgrant> Some BRANCH.TODO changes just landed on devel.
[11:51] <wgrant> I didn't think that was meant to be possible.
[11:52] <salgado> possibly my fault
[11:52]  * salgado checks
[11:53] <salgado> it is possible because PQM doesn't run the test suite anymore.  it will fail later on buildbot
[11:54] <wgrant> Ah.
[12:49] <BjornT_> danilos: did you try applying that patch mars gave you, to fix the failing windmill test?
[12:53] <BjornT_> salgado: could you (or someone else that knows a bit about packaging, maxb maybe?) review this patch to meta-lp-deps? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bjornt/meta-lp-deps/windmill-headless/+merge/15749
[12:53] <BjornT_> it only adds a few dependencies, but i've never done it before, so i'd like someone to double check that everything is ok
[12:54] <maxb> I'll look at it once LP gets round to making the diff :-)
[12:54] <BjornT_> maxb: thanks :)
[12:57] <danilos> BjornT_: I am going to do that today, it's up on my long list of things to do today :)
[12:57] <BjornT_> danilos: cool :)
[13:02] <maxb> BjornT_: Hardy, of course, only has Firefox 2... is that adequate?
[13:06] <BjornT_> maxb: yes, that's fine. i'm quite sure that's what the jscheck buildbot slave is using when running the windmill tests.
[13:07] <maxb> In that case, amend the changelog to mention which of the three packages you are adding the dependencies to, and r=me
[13:17] <BjornT_> maxb: cool, i'll do that. thanks!
[13:32] <BjornT_> maxb: will the dput command in https://dev.launchpad.net/LaunchpadPpa work without having a .dput.cf file?
[13:32] <maxb> Yes, the needed config is included in /etc/dput.cf since ... um, intrepid maybe
[13:33] <BjornT_> maxb: cool. so https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading should probably be updated then
[13:33] <BjornT_> bigjools, mrevell: ^^^
[13:34]  * mrevell looks
[13:37] <mrevell> so maxb, should I update the help doc to recommend using /etc/dput.cf instead of ~/.dput.cf?
[13:37] <maxb> /etc/dput.cf is shipped in the dput package
[13:37] <maxb> On any recent Ubuntu, people should be advised that they don't need to do anything with config files at all
[13:38] <maxb> Just dput ppa:theiruserid/theirppaname
[13:44] <mrevell> cool, thanks maxb
[14:17] <flacoste> morning launchpadders
[14:18] <bigjools> morning flacoste
[15:40] <sinzui> Chex: ping
[15:46] <sinzui> mthaddon: ping
[15:47] <Chex> sinzui: hello
[15:47] <sinzui> Chex : can you choose the Delete action for this series and confirm the page says you cannot because it has translations: https://staging.launchpad.net/do/trunk
[15:47] <mthaddon> sinzui: hi
[15:47] <sinzui> mthaddon: unping,
[15:47]  * mthaddon wanders 
[15:48] <Chex> sinzui: This series cannot be deleted because it has translations. :: looks correct, then.
[15:49] <sinzui> Chex: thanks. There is now one less way to shoot-yourself-in-the-foot
[15:49] <gmb> FAIL: http://people.canonical.com/~gbinns/timeout-fail.png
[15:50] <gmb> So, anyone know of a page that's guaranteed to timeout on LP? If not, does anyone know of a good way to cause a timeout in lp.dev?
[15:51] <Chex> sinzui: I'm all in favour of that! Thanks..
[15:57] <gmb> Hurrah for bug #1 on staging!
[15:57] <mup> Bug #1: Microsoft has a majority market share <iso-testing> <ubuntu> <Clubdistro:Confirmed> <Computer Science Ubuntu:Confirmed for compscibuntu-bugs> <easypeasy Overview:In Progress by ramvi> <Ichthux:Confirmed for raphink> <JAK LINUX:Confirmed> <OpenOffice:Confirmed for lh-maviya> <Tabuntu:Confirmed for tinarussell> <Tivion:Confirmed for shakaran> <Ubuntu:In Progress by sabdfl> <ubuntu-express (Ubuntu):Invalid by jahyire2006> <Ubuntu Jaunty:In
[16:26] <sinzui> Chex: ping
[16:29] <Chex> sinzui: hello
[16:29] <sinzui> Chex: Can you change a word in this team's description and choose save? I am test that that the page does not oops because it has a zillion members: https://staging.launchpad.net/~locoteams/+edit
[16:33] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: Can you test the IE7-8 activator bug? Do we need help from matsubara-lunch or Ursinha?
[16:34] <Chex> sinzui: no such luck: Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[16:35] <sinzui> Chex: may I see the oops report? I want to see if it related to
[16:35] <sinzui>     ShortListTooBigError: Hard limit of 5000 exceeded.
[16:35] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: it can't be tested on staging or edge, since I only fixed it lazr-js, and launchpad disables all YUI with its on if-statement that checks whether the browser is IE.
[16:35] <Chex> sinzui: sure: here is the pastebin of it: https://pastebin.canonical.com/25438/
[16:36] <sinzui> Chex: excellent, we have fixed enough of the problem to discover another bug
[16:40] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: Do you think we should move the activator item to the?? section on https://dev.launchpad.net/RegistryTeam/RegistryTestPlans/3.1.12
[16:41] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: sure, I'll do that.
[17:30] <bac> Chex: can you redo the same test you did for sinzui on edge:  https://edge.launchpad.net/~locoteams/+edit  - just making an innocuous change to the team name.
[17:30] <bac> displayname, i should say
[17:30] <sinzui> bac: the change did work on staging. They descriptions are difference
[17:30] <bac> sinzui: yeah, but i was curious if the timeout happens on edge
[17:31] <sinzui> bac: the staging issue as the members portlet
[17:31] <bac> sinzui: ok
[17:32] <bac> sinzui: on an unrelated note, did you know https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+packaging is always timing out
[17:34] <sinzui> bac: yes I did, where were you during our standup what I talked abut the branch I have in review that adds a batch navigator and does not render links to non-distroseries packages?
[17:34] <bac> sinzui: mars
[17:35] <sinzui> bac: abentley approved it. I am sending to ec2 now
[17:35] <sinzui> I expect that page to be much smaller tomorrow
[17:35] <bac> good
[18:00] <mrevell> night all
[18:01] <sinzui> bac: EdwinGrubbs: release planning in 2 minutes. https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+spec/ubuntu-link-to-upstream
[18:12] <bac> oops
[18:18] <sinzui> bac: EdwinGrubbs:
[18:18] <sinzui> https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+packages
[18:26] <sinzui> bac: EdwinGrubbs: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/bzr
[18:28] <sinzui> bac: EdwinGrubbs: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gimp-help
[18:38] <sinzui> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/tomboy
[18:49] <sinzui> bac: EdwinGrubbs: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport
[19:00] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: this one: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gimp-help/+edit-packaging
[19:53] <thumper> morning
[19:53] <thumper> anyone following #launchpad that knows about translations?
[20:36] <thumper> rockstar, abentley: I forgot to mention in the standup, we have a new location for code related exception classes: lp.code.errors
[20:36] <thumper> currently only in db-devel
[20:36] <thumper> but this is a short cycle
[20:38]  * thumper feels like he is talking to himself today
[20:39] <rockstar> thumper, great, thanks.
[21:18] <adiroiban> how is new testdate added to the testrunner database? what is the process?
[21:19] <wgrant> adiroiban: 1) Realise that you don't want to do that, and you should generate the data yourself at test-time.
[21:19] <wgrant> (sample data for tests is deprecated)
[21:19] <adiroiban> wgrant: :) ok
[21:19] <adiroiban> thanks
[21:26] <adiroiban> and there are no exception from this policy ?
[21:27] <wgrant> adiroiban: It's not a strict policy. But why do you want to violate it?
[21:28] <adiroiban> I need to add a person for a new role
[21:28] <wgrant> Ah, that's a rather different case.
[21:28] <mwhudson> adiroiban: have you seen the LaunchpadObjectFactory?
[21:28] <adiroiban> and there will be many test for this new person
[21:31] <adiroiban> mwhudson: nope. I'm lookink now
[21:31] <adiroiban> there is scarce info on the wiki
[21:32] <mwhudson> yes
[21:32] <mwhudson> lib/lp/testing/factory.py
[21:36] <adiroiban> mwhudson: thanks. I should be able to handle it. Is just that I was not sure about the process
[21:37] <mwhudson> adiroiban: certainly adding to sample data is discouraged now
[21:37] <mwhudson> adiroiban: if you're adding a new celebrity (as in ILaunchpadCelebrities) then maybe this could be relaxed...
[21:39] <adiroiban> mwhudson: is not about a celebrity :). I will create that person/role in the pagetest
[21:39] <mwhudson> cool
[21:56] <tshirtman> hi, is there launchpad admins here?
[21:57]  * mwhudson points at mbarnett or Chex 
[21:57]  * wgrant guesses that henning didn't get through feedback@ yesterday.
[21:57] <tshirtman> it's about an issue we spoke about on launchpad but a friends told me it was better to tell it here
[21:58] <wgrant> tshirtman: Did you email it as suggested?
[21:58] <tshirtman> we discussed with henning but the probleme is still there
[21:58] <wgrant> But yes, here is good.
[21:58] <tshirtman> well we did not wanted to let it be too public (so not in the tracker)
[21:59] <tshirtman> it's about that kind of "projects" https://launchpad.net/~accusatoriauaer
[22:00] <tshirtman> its spam with porn, and possibly child porn
[22:00] <jml> good morning launchpadders
[22:00] <tshirtman> we found a bunch of these earlyer
[22:02] <McPeter> i send two email with list bad account
[22:02] <McPeter> (sorry … hi )
[22:03] <tshirtman> sent*
[22:03] <tshirtman> it was yesterday
[22:03] <McPeter> thanks tshirtman :)
[22:03] <tshirtman> (we are french)
[22:05] <tshirtman> so it was only to be sure somebody had the time to handle that
[22:07] <tshirtman> because we feel it's a bit urgent because of the possible child pornography, and the possible malware (website send random exe files on links)
[22:08] <jml> poolie, good morning
[22:09] <mwhudson> jml: were you really online about 5:30 am your time?
[22:11] <jml> mwhudson, I was awake, but I don't think I was online. Why do you ask?
[22:11] <mwhudson> jml: notify-osd told me you were online
[22:11] <jml> I might have checked my phone then, I seriously hope it wasn't transmitting bytes
[22:11] <mwhudson> jml: good morning, anyway
[22:12] <jml> oh yeah. connected the home wifi. tis ok
[22:12] <jml> it's less than £6 / MB
[22:12] <jml> mwhudson, hi :)
[22:13] <mwhudson> roaming data rates just seem utterly insane
[22:13] <jml> yes.
[22:13] <jml> even by the standards of someone used to Australian internet
[22:19] <mwhudson> heh
[22:19] <mwhudson> if they were a bit less insane, it's possible that somebody somewhere might actually use them
[22:21] <jml> indeed
[22:21]  * tshirtman has a 3G connexion for 30€/month in france, 1G with good bandwith, and then unlimited with low bandwidth
[22:22] <mwhudson> tshirtman: but if you were to use that connection from, say, the uk, you would be charged something nuts i expect
[22:22] <tshirtman> oh yes
[22:22] <jml> which is ridiculous
[22:22] <tshirtman> ^
[22:23] <jml> europe should be one country for the purposes of mobile phone usage, dammit.
[22:23] <mwhudson> at least in nz there's an obvious reason for internet to be a bit slow and expensive :)
[22:23] <tshirtman> we had some people near of french border who accidentaly switch to foreign network, and got insane fees
[22:24] <mars> jml, have you looked at getting a SIM from a virtual mobile network provider?
[22:24] <ajmitch> mwhudson: a bit slow & expensive yes, but not this extortionate :)
[22:24] <mwhudson> ajmitch: right
[22:37] <thumper> abentley: where are we with https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/436325 ?
[22:37] <mup> Bug #436325: Diffstat generation chokes on binaries (and others) <oops> <Bazaar:Fix Committed by abentley> <Bazaar 2.0:Fix Committed by abentley> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged by abentley> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/436325>
[22:38] <abentley> thumper: I dunno, we have committed something, but it doesn't completely solve it, and I don't know why.
[22:38] <thumper> abentley: ok
[22:39] <thumper> abentley: is that malformed hunk header one?
[22:39] <abentley> thumper: Yes.
[22:39] <thumper> ah ok
[22:45] <jml> back
[23:15]  * mwhudson lunches
[23:26] <adiroiban> after running rocketfuel-get do I need to manualy merge the db changes?
[23:27] <adiroiban> i got this error canonical.database.revision.InvalidDatabaseRevision: patch-2207-10-0.sql has not been applied to the database
[23:30] <ajmitch> I think that requires 'make schema', doesn't it?
[23:44] <adiroiban> ajmitch: thanks! up and running now :)