| ejat | !ping fta | 09:20 |
|---|---|---|
| BUGabundo_work | boas | 10:55 |
| asac | hola | 11:01 |
| asac | [reed]: some folks wonder how they can deploy firefox with additional root certs (e.g. for their own organization) | 11:01 |
| asac | is there a way to do that in a global way? | 11:01 |
| BUGabundo_work | hey asac long time no see | 11:02 |
| BUGabundo_work | :p | 11:02 |
| asac | yep | 11:04 |
| asac | ;) | 11:04 |
| asac | busy | 11:04 |
| asac | busy | 11:04 |
| BUGabundo_work | yeah right :) | 11:05 |
| BUGabundo_work | any ideas whats gonna be default browser in lucid? | 11:05 |
| BUGabundo_work | are we even considering double browser ? | 11:05 |
| BUGabundo_work | and break the ONE app per function in default install? | 11:06 |
| asac | BUGabundo_work: what do you mean? | 11:08 |
| asac | BUGabundo_work: I dont see the main desktop image to move away from firefox | 11:08 |
| asac | however, optimized images might move to something else | 11:08 |
| asac | like for arm UNE (mobile team) we are looking into chromium etc. | 11:09 |
| BUGabundo_work | oh cool | 11:20 |
| fta | asac, did you copy the codecs? | 11:44 |
| fta | asac, also, if you can push to a more stable/neutral location, it would be nice | 11:44 |
| asac | fta: ack | 11:44 |
| fta | i can drag in some testers from upstream | 11:44 |
| asac | i will check for a different location | 11:45 |
| asac | fta: dont hesitate to get them test from that location. if they need help on getting lucid images on their arm hardware, they can come to #ubuntu-arm | 11:46 |
| fta | asac, can't you create a generic arm team and ask for a new native ppa in there? | 11:46 |
| asac | no | 11:46 |
| asac | well yes. | 11:46 |
| asac | but atm policy does not allow any native ppa for teams where non-canonical folks are there. dont ask me why | 11:46 |
| asac | i will try to work for a different approach | 11:46 |
| fta | i won't be able to use it, i got that already | 11:46 |
| asac | well. i can pocket copy whatever you want ;) | 11:47 |
| asac | just not dailies. we have not enough builders for that | 11:47 |
| fta | it's just that asking upstream to try something in a moz recycled ppa is weird | 11:47 |
| asac | let me copy the codecs | 11:47 |
| asac | ack | 11:47 |
| asac | fta: we separate those codecs because of licensing/patent issues, right? | 11:48 |
| asac | ok copied | 11:49 |
| asac | lets check if that fails to build | 11:49 |
| asac | fta: that packages does not try to build on armel | 11:49 |
| asac | maybe architecture: i386 amd64 ? | 11:49 |
| fta | oh, maybe | 11:50 |
| fta | hmm, yasm on arm? is there such thing? | 11:52 |
| asac | fta: hmm. armel? | 11:55 |
| asac | maybe? | 11:55 |
| fta | asac, could you get the metacity patch in? each visual alert made by chromium makes metacity assert | 11:55 |
| asac | which one= | 11:55 |
| asac | ? | 11:55 |
| fta | bug 467972 | 11:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 467972 in metacity "metacity assert failure: metacity:ERROR:core/bell.c:211:bell_flash_window_frame: assertion failed: (window->frame != NULL)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/467972 | 11:55 |
| fta | gnome 598231 | 11:55 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 598231 in general "When Chromium rings the bell, metacity quits" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598231 | 11:55 |
| BUGabundo_work | ehh | 11:55 |
| BUGabundo_work | i'vent seen that | 11:55 |
| fta | when there's no (more) match while doing a search, metacity restarts, really annoying | 11:56 |
| asac | fta: so ... shall i just upload with armel added to architectireu? | 12:05 |
| fta | i just committed the arch any | 12:07 |
| fta | just wondering about yasm | 12:07 |
| fta | apparently not | 12:08 |
| asac | fta: yasm exists on armel | 12:09 |
| fta | http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/yasm ? | 12:10 |
| fta | just i386/amd64 | 12:10 |
| asac | fta: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/yasm_0.8.0-1_armel.deb | 12:21 |
| asac | ? | 12:21 |
| asac | fta: packages.ubuntu.com does not track stuff on ports | 12:21 |
| asac | so you dont see it there | 12:21 |
| fta | oh, damn | 12:21 |
| fta | damn, metacity crashed.. again | 12:23 |
| fta | i bet all desktop devs use compiz :( | 12:26 |
| fta | so they don't care | 12:26 |
| asac | yes. even i am on copmiz everywhere now | 12:27 |
| asac | until last cycle my main desktop couldnt do it | 12:27 |
| BUGabundo_work | i'm on compiz | 13:06 |
| BUGabundo_work | been for several releases | 13:06 |
| BUGabundo_work | after several ones where i would not like it | 13:06 |
| BUGabundo_work | yesterday tried xedgers PPA with X 1.5 | 13:06 |
| BUGabundo_work | heck that thing is huber broken | 13:07 |
| fta | pushed the metacity fix to my own ppa, i'm sick of it | 13:10 |
| av` | asac, around? | 13:12 |
| asac | av`: no ;) | 13:13 |
| av` | asac, I'm a DD :) | 13:14 |
| asac | CONGRATS! | 13:14 |
| av` | thanks :) | 13:14 |
| BUGabundo_work | congrats av` | 13:23 |
| av` | BUGabundo_work, thanks :) | 13:23 |
| av` | BUGabundo_work, if you need any sponsorship just ask :) | 13:23 |
| BUGabundo_work | humm | 13:23 |
| BUGabundo_work | let me give it a good think | 13:23 |
| BUGabundo_work | theres fuse | 13:23 |
| BUGabundo_work | that needs to be looked at | 13:24 |
| BUGabundo_work | in unstable and pushed to lucid | 13:24 |
| av` | is it a NEW package? | 13:24 |
| BUGabundo_work | so i can nag bjsnider to build lessfs | 13:24 |
| BUGabundo_work | not sure | 13:24 |
| BUGabundo_work | least time i looked at it , it was going to unstable | 13:24 |
| BUGabundo_work | then i lost track | 13:24 |
| BUGabundo_work | after debian has it, will need to get it synced to lucid | 13:25 |
| BUGabundo_work | other then that, its all fine | 13:25 |
| BUGabundo_work | small bug with smplayer | 13:25 |
| BUGabundo_work | but its filed upstream | 13:25 |
| BUGabundo_work | debian has an higher version then upstream LOL | 13:25 |
| av` | lol | 13:27 |
| av` | how can it be possible? | 13:27 |
| BUGabundo_work | ehe | 13:29 |
| BUGabundo_work | debian repackaged it | 13:29 |
| BUGabundo_work | and upped it | 13:29 |
| BUGabundo_work | no idea why | 13:29 |
| BUGabundo_work | took bjsnider a bit to find how the heck that happend | 13:29 |
| fta | wtf? Rejected: PPA exceeded its size limit (17204.00 of 10240.00 MiB). Ask a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/ if you need more space. | 13:35 |
| fta | seems my gwibber is broken, it spins forever since i tried to post something | 13:53 |
| fta | hm, last message is 6h old | 13:54 |
| asac | anything in .xsession-errors? | 13:54 |
| asac | i guess there was a dbus timeout or something | 13:54 |
| fta | difficult to say, it's a mess in there | 13:56 |
| fta | apparently, nothing relevant | 13:57 |
| fta | yuhuuu 8.7 MiB (0.08%) of 10.0 GiB, better | 14:14 |
| BUGabundo_work | new PPA ? | 14:20 |
| BUGabundo_work | fta: how many do u manage? | 14:20 |
| BUGabundo_work | how much CPU power do all your bots use? | 14:20 |
| fta | no, my own ppa (~fta) | 14:20 |
| BUGabundo_work | ahhh u cleared it | 14:20 |
| BUGabundo_work | aheh | 14:20 |
| fta | just removed 90+ packages | 14:21 |
| fta | my bot or the builders? | 14:21 |
| fta | my bot can do the just in 20min depending on how fast the remote vcs are | 14:22 |
| fta | +job | 14:22 |
| fta | but often, it takes 45min | 14:22 |
| fta | as the builders, it's another matter | 14:22 |
| fta | could be all done in 2~3h hours or more than 24h depending on how machines are preempted to do something else, or the ppa queue | 14:23 |
| fta | BUGabundo_work, ^^, but there's always someone to complain about my stuff, http://identi.ca/notice/16085460 http://identi.ca/notice/16096444 | 14:29 |
| BUGabundo_work | i know | 14:29 |
| BUGabundo_work | i've read both in realtiem | 14:30 |
| fta | me too, but i didn't see any reply | 14:33 |
| fta | so maybe he's the only one to care enough to fire a complaint | 14:34 |
| fta | -t | 14:34 |
| BUGabundo_work | i think i replied to one | 14:46 |
| BUGabundo_work | but was over OMB | 14:46 |
| BUGabundo_work | so might not have gotten threaded correctly | 14:46 |
| fta | i3866 179 jobs (11 hours) | 14:57 |
| fta | ok, so no metacity today :( i'll build it locally | 14:57 |
| fta | we went from 14 i386 builders 2h ago, to 6 | 14:59 |
| [reed] | asac: hmm, I think it's possible, but it's a royal pain. | 15:14 |
| [reed] | [05:08:56] <asac> however, optimized images might move to something else | 15:15 |
| [reed] | [05:09:13] <asac> like for arm UNE (mobile team) we are looking into chromium etc. | 15:15 |
| [reed] | why chromium over Firefox for mobile? | 15:15 |
| BUGabundo_work | eeheh | 15:16 |
| BUGabundo_work | [reed]: dont like lossing quota? | 15:16 |
| fta | because ff is a slow pig? | 15:16 |
| BUGabundo_work | ahhaahaaahahahahahaaha | 15:16 |
| [reed] | if you have specific complaints, it would be useful for Mozilla to know... you know, talk to us | 15:17 |
| [reed] | we're building a mobile edition, too, you know | 15:17 |
| BUGabundo_work | no really | 15:17 |
| BUGabundo_work | want to really take it? | 15:17 |
| BUGabundo_work | 1st: startup time | 15:17 |
| BUGabundo_work | chromium < 1sec | 15:17 |
| BUGabundo_work | FF ~3-5 secs | 15:17 |
| BUGabundo_work | memory usage: Ch 2 wind 5 tabs each: 40-60 mb each, shared and stuff, total 300-400 MBs | 15:18 |
| BUGabundo_work | FF: 1 win, 1 tab: >300MBs | 15:18 |
| BUGabundo_work | addos: FF wins :) | 15:19 |
| BUGabundo_work | page load: chromium wins | 15:19 |
| BUGabundo_work | comparing FF 3.7 vs Ch 4-dev | 15:19 |
| BUGabundo_work | UI space: Ch wins again | 15:19 |
| BUGabundo_work | drag and drop tabs anywhere: lovely | 15:19 |
| [reed] | last I checked, we still had everybody beat in long-term memory use | 15:20 |
| [reed] | by a bunch | 15:20 |
| BUGabundo_work | want a 3 days comparation? | 15:21 |
| BUGabundo_work | 8782 mainroad 20 0 1209m 301m 39m S 8 3.8 173:32.88 firefox-3.7 | 15:22 |
| BUGabundo_work | 2787 mainroad 20 0 1105m 84m 22m S 2 1.1 35:51.41 chromium-browse 3135 mainroad 20 0 868m 62m 9.8m S 0 0.8 1:02.43 chromium-browse | 15:22 |
| BUGabundo_work | again: ff 3 tabs 1 win | 15:22 |
| BUGabundo_work | ch 4 win, several tabs | 15:22 |
| [reed] | I think you're missing the point, but I don't know when the last time the memory tests were done. I can check on that later. | 15:24 |
| BUGabundo_work | [reed]: eheh i'll let u know more in the end of the week then | 15:25 |
| BUGabundo_work | lol | 15:25 |
| [reed] | http://dotnetperls.com/chrome-memory | 15:28 |
| [reed] | that's based on ch 3 | 15:29 |
| [reed] | and ff 3.5 | 15:29 |
| [reed] | looking at top is not a valid test | 15:29 |
| fta | BUGabundo_work, about:memory in ch | 15:34 |
| BUGabundo_work | Chromium 69,684k72,502k Note: If other browsers (e.g. IE, Firefox, Safari) are running, I'll show their memory details here. | 15:35 |
| BUGabundo_work | 2787 Browser 69,424k72,037k 2788 Sandbox helper 260k465k | 15:35 |
| asac | [reed]: its not really decided. first step is to ensure that its in the archive and working on arm. then we do benchmarks, feature comparisions etc. before deciding. https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-arm-lightweightbrowser | 15:39 |
| * fta smells fear floating around here.. | 15:52 | |
| asac | hehe | 16:20 |
| asac | [reed]: ok now i have a bit time ;). so what we plan to do is to get chromium in a shape that we can actually compare it | 16:20 |
| asac | atm its not even in the archive etc. | 16:20 |
| asac | [reed]: as you can see in the spec its not only horse we have in the race | 16:21 |
| asac | the idea is to tune firefox performance as much as possible | 16:21 |
| asac | and since we move to all-in-one packaging approach we should be delivering pretty much what you test | 16:21 |
| asac | so if there are still issues with performance etc. we can hopefully work better with mozilla addressing them | 16:22 |
| fta | asac, "Resolve Chromium armv7 build issues: " TODO -> DONE | 16:22 |
| asac | yep ;) | 16:22 |
| asac | fta: is there a separat work item for verifying that it actually works? | 16:22 |
| BUGabundo_work | make FF faster and ill swich to it again | 16:22 |
| BUGabundo_work | right now , i cant even open gmail in it | 16:22 |
| asac | thats also a task of this. we want to check out PGO | 16:22 |
| fta | asac, upstream devs say it works for them as it's used in chrome-os | 16:23 |
| asac | mozilla / [reed] said they never were able to get that to work, but every bit of performance we can get out of it is worth efforts i guess | 16:23 |
| asac | fta: yes. but lucid might be different. who knows how our libc and toolchain behave etc. | 16:23 |
| asac | fta: they probably built it in hardy? ;) | 16:23 |
| asac | or is that karmic or what do they base their stuff on? | 16:24 |
| fta | i've got reports that it should work just fine for arm v5-6-7 | 16:24 |
| asac | fta: hmm. so the build failure we got on karmic is fixed? | 16:24 |
| fta | but they all cross build, noone is doing it natively | 16:25 |
| fta | fixed i don't know, but fixable, sure | 16:25 |
| asac | yeah. but cross building feels even more error prone imo | 16:25 |
| asac | unless they tweaked their X chain to workaround issues in chromium | 16:25 |
| asac | we will know soon. | 16:26 |
| asac | fta: can we install chromium and force depends? | 16:26 |
| fta | if you could retry a build on karmic, i can work with them to fix the remaining issues | 16:26 |
| asac | e.g. will it not work if we dont have the codecs? | 16:26 |
| asac | if so i can ask someone to firef it up now | 16:26 |
| asac | fta: so there were fixes since we last tried? | 16:26 |
| fta | it will work without codecs, it's just a lazy dlopen | 16:26 |
| fta | yes | 16:27 |
| asac | atm the buildd's are really busted as it seems with huge backlog because they were down over the weekend | 16:27 |
| asac | so i will wait with a new spin a bit | 16:27 |
| asac | tomorrow morning i will check again | 16:27 |
| asac | libdap built broke all armel builders over weekend ;) | 16:27 |
| fta | armel6 143 jobs (3 hours 20 minutes), 3h! lol, looks like a joke | 16:27 |
| asac | yeah | 16:28 |
| asac | not sure why it thinks 3 hours is the target ;) | 16:28 |
| fta | more like 3 days | 16:29 |
| micahg | asac: PM? | 16:30 |
| asac | micahg: jumping from call to call atm ;) ... when will you be back= | 16:32 |
| asac | ? | 16:32 |
| asac | or how long will you be still here? | 16:32 |
| micahg | asac: I'm going to work in about 30-40 minutes, tomorrow works for me | 16:32 |
| asac | ok let me check | 16:32 |
| asac | hmm. would be available in 30minutes tomorrow :/ | 16:33 |
| asac | doesnt help i guess | 16:33 |
| micahg | 1700 UTC? | 16:33 |
| asac | that works | 16:33 |
| micahg | asac: tomorrow? | 16:34 |
| asac | yes | 16:34 |
| micahg | ok | 16:34 |
| asac | ttyt | 16:34 |
| micahg | thanks | 16:34 |
| lyosha | Hello. I installed firefox 3.5 from mozilla-daily ppa on my hardy machine, and it does not use hinting as specified in /etc/fonts/conf.d. What do I need to do instead? | 19:01 |
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| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| fta | asac, do you think i can somehow accept contributions for translated strings for chromium using lp? some users desperately want to contribute, and i'm willing to provide the hooks | 20:03 |
| micahg | fta: I'll have to fix TB daily tonight | 20:37 |
| fta | :) | 20:37 |
| fta | removing myself from bug 254413, i have no plan to work on this anymore | 21:53 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/254413) | 21:53 |
| fta | and from bug 183492 | 21:53 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/183492) | 21:54 |
| * micahg is not up for another project right now | 22:12 | |
| fta | micahg, i'm not asking you to ;) they are all moz related, so i announce it here | 22:18 |
| micahg | I know, I'm just announcing that I can't do it :) | 22:18 |
| fta | the 1st is piece of cake, the 2nd is worse than songbird | 22:18 |
| micahg | after songbird, I want to try to bring sunbird up to speed | 22:19 |
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| BUGabundo | asac: fta: why does my clean install have a /etc/firefox-3.0 ? | 22:40 |
| BUGabundo | lucid should not have anything to do with it | 22:41 |
| fta | what do you have inside ? | 22:41 |
| fta | should give you a clue | 22:42 |
| fta | i guess it's ubufox/apturl | 22:42 |
| fta | BUGabundo, ^^ | 22:43 |
| BUGabundo | fta $ ls -lR /etc/firefox-3.0/ | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/336867/ | 22:44 |
| fta | see? :) | 22:45 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: it's ubufox, please file a bug against it | 22:45 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 22:45 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/493805 | 22:49 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/493805) | 22:50 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: triaged (problem on karmic as well) | 22:50 |
| fta | *sigh* https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-multiarch-support | 23:08 |
| fta | fortunately, chromium moved away from ia32-libs | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | fta Registered by Robbie Williamson on 2009-04-21 | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | lolol | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | just stay put | 23:11 |
| fta | this topic has been discussed at many UDS, always postponed | 23:12 |
| BUGabundo | duh | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | go figure | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | we would need a batalion of devs on it | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | and upstream support | 23:14 |
| fta | i don't think so, it's mostly apt/dpkg | 23:30 |
| fta | the plan was already in place in may (or was it in nov last year?) | 23:32 |
| BUGabundo | baahhh | 23:42 |
| BUGabundo | why can't google make their own sites work with chromium ? | 23:42 |
| BUGabundo | picasaweb full screen is buggy | 23:43 |
| fta | different teams | 23:58 |
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