[00:06] <ScottK> Someone could look at kdenetwork and figure out what to do about libortp-dev being in Universe.
[00:06] <ScottK> off to cook dinner.
[00:07] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: I don't understand...I change some symbols files, yes, but my package is already in archive lol
[00:07] <Lex79> *changed
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: but are bzr and the archive in sync?
[00:07] <Lex79> looking
[00:09] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: seems not
[00:39] <Lex79> kdeartwork is funny, JontheEchidna are you going to fix the mess in bzr for kdelibs?
[00:45] <ScottK> Lex79: Please clean it up then.
[00:45] <Lex79> I'm doing
[00:45] <ScottK> Great.
[00:45] <Lex79> ever
[00:45] <Lex79> :P
[00:49] <Lex79> ScottK: uhm, bzr is sync with archive + Jon changes, no changes in symbol file http://pastebin.ca/1706275
[00:49] <ScottK> Lex79: Odd.  Maybe I had on old one from the PPA.
[00:49]  * ScottK tries again.
[00:49] <ScottK> Thanks for looking.
[00:49] <Lex79> no problem
[00:50] <Lex79> the package in ppa have different symbol files due to different version of the package (~ppaX)
[00:54] <ScottK> Lex79: My fault.  I still had ninja PPA in my sources and it had 4.3.80a, so it got pulled
[00:54] <ScottK> Thanks again.
[00:54] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: its up?
[00:54] <ScottK> Getting there
[00:54] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[00:55] <DarkwingDuck> just got hm. its a flipping zoo down here
[00:55] <ScottK> Lex79 and JontheEchidna: All better now.
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> yay, kdebase-runtime built
[00:57] <ScottK> \o/
[00:57] <Daskreech> DarkwingDuck: Poop from the ceiling ?
[00:58] <ScottK> The depwait stuff is fixed for now, so stuff should try to build on their own once it's published
[00:59] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Uploaded.
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[00:59] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think it's just edu and artwork now.
[01:00]  * ScottK goes off to dinner.
[01:01] <DarkwingDuck> im in SoCal... 3 inches of rain today... 240 car crashes today alone
[01:22] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36555435/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.libattica_0.1.0~svn1055247-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:23] <Lex79> libattica ftbs in staging due to dh --with kde clean, dh: unable to load addon kde
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> switching to kde.mk like other stuff from karmic should be very easy (and also fix it)
[01:24] <Lex79> ok
[01:25] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: this? include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> nope
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> find kde.mk karmic
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> !find kde.mk karmic
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> :P
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[01:26] <Lex79> lol
[01:26] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: cdbs?
[01:26] <Lex79> /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> yes!
[01:26] <Lex79> perfect
[01:26] <Daskreech> !info kde
[01:27] <Daskreech> !info kubuntu-desktop
[01:27] <Daskreech> That's what I thought
[01:37] <Lex79> after 10 uploads, I'm beginning to hate kdeartwork
[01:38] <ScottK> ;-)
[01:39] <Daskreech> but it's so puuuurty
[01:40] <Lex79> :)
[01:41] <nixternal> is lucid in shams right now?
[01:42] <Daskreech> Lex79: what's up with KDE-pim ?
[01:43] <ScottK> Not for pre-alpha 1, no.
[01:47] <Lex79> kdepim is not in archive yet
[01:48] <Daskreech> Ok just checking
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> All kde apps seem to be stuck in a loop searching for localization information
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> strace shows it trying to read things over and over again from /usr/share/locale
[01:50] <Daskreech> Riddell is i10n ?
[01:50] <nicklas_> ok
[01:50] <Lex79> btw about kdepim, we should remove from the archive Bilbo, now is Blogilo and is part of kdepim
[01:50]  * Daskreech announces Minion
[01:51] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: Would you like a new minion ?
[01:51] <nicklas_> anyone have that link for the ubuntu packaging guide?
[01:51] <Lex79> maybe this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[01:52] <nicklas_> that will take some time to read :-P
[01:52] <Lex79> eheh :)
[01:52] <Daskreech> :-D
[01:53] <Lex79> Daskreech: or this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ :P
[01:54] <nicklas_> and im too tired to do it now, tomorrow 02.53 am here
[01:54] <Daskreech> nicklas_: No problem. Bookmarks Rock!
[01:59] <Lex79> oh kdeartwork built \o/
[02:00] <Daskreech> whoot now will it upload?
[02:00] <Daskreech> error: filesystem full
[02:00] <Lex79> lol
[02:10] <Lex79> ScottK: kdeartwork is done, I pushed to bzr
[02:10] <Lex79> 'night
[02:13] <ScottK> Lex79: Thanks
[02:14] <DarkwingDuck> um.. ScottK?
[02:14] <ScottK> What?
[02:14] <DarkwingDuck> My netbook is possessed I swear
[02:15] <DarkwingDuck> I updated...
[02:15] <DarkwingDuck> It boots into a terminal login
[02:15] <DarkwingDuck> once I login I start kdm
[02:15] <ScottK> If you'd asked me, I'd have suggested waiting until Wed.
[02:16] <ScottK> We'll be in the middle of the freeze for Alpha 1 and it should be reasonably stable at that point.
[02:16] <DarkwingDuck> Not it's stuck in a never ending loop of login screens
[02:16] <shtylman> can we build packages from bzr repos yet :) ?
[02:17] <ScottK> I don't think so
[02:17] <shtylman> sadness
[02:17] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: What happens if you startx instead of starting kdm directly?
[02:19] <DarkwingDuck> I'll try then when I get back upstairs
[02:38] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: startx loads it right up... However, no mouse anymore.
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> KnetworkManager crashes
[02:39] <ScottK> Progress.
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I finally have a workspace again! :D
[02:40] <DarkwingDuck> Now, what is the command line for auto-reconfigure a mouse...
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> hmmm, my wireless card isn't working either...
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> and my sound card crashed
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> weeeeee
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> bleh, KDE is without a doubt busted
[02:44] <jjesse> are you running lucid DarkwingDuck?
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> luckily I planned ahead this time and installed xfce and gdm beforehand ;-)
[02:44] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: yes
[02:45] <DarkwingDuck> I knew this was going to happen so, I wasn't planning on using my netbook till Camp-KDE
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck, how goes your kde upgrade?
[02:45] <ScottK> maco: Any word on edu?
[02:46] <maco> ScottK: ive been in class since you last asked
[02:46] <ScottK> maco: OK.
[02:46] <maco> ScottK: and now im going home to work on a final project i have to present tomorrow
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: I have one work for the upgrade... Ouch
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> work=word
[02:46] <ScottK> maco: Please upload what you have to the ninja PPA then so someone else can have a look.
[02:46] <maco> i dont know where to find apachelogger's hooks to let me figure out what happened in pbuilder, so im kinda stuck anyway at the moment
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> what happens when you startx?
[02:47] <DarkwingDuck> startx loads into workspace without wireless, sound or mouth
[02:47] <ScottK> th/se
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> ouch, but plasma and friends run?
[02:47] <DarkwingDuck> mouth=mouse
[02:47] <DarkwingDuck> yeah, it runs ish
[02:47] <Daskreech> DarkwingDuck: of course. You haven't run kdeinit probably
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> hmm... I just get the rotating cursor across a black screen of doom
[02:48] <Daskreech> ddoooooooooooooom
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> I'm trying to remember how to reconfigure my mouse from terminal
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> kdostartupconfig4 hangs at 100% cpu indefinitely
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> and starting any KDE app from xfce causes it to take up 100% cpu, much as it did before the restart
[02:49] <DarkwingDuck> What the heck you guys do last night?
[02:49] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[02:49] <ScottK> Uploaded a beta release of a major KDE version.
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> the thing is, 4.4 beta worked for me at first
[02:49] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh so this is KDE 4.4B fault?
[02:49] <ScottK> It would be suprising if it were smooth
[02:50] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know
[02:50] <DarkwingDuck> I have the *net working via a wire
[02:52] <maco> ScottK: ok uploaded to ppa in a non-building state with -0ubuntu0~maco1 for version so it doesnt interfere when -0ubuntu1 is figured out
[02:52] <ScottK> maco: Thanks.
[02:54] <DarkwingDuck> ohhhhh... an error when sudo apt-get upgrade.... "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim;ibs-data_4%3a4.3.80-0ubuntu1_all.deb   E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"        <---- Any ideas?
[02:54]  * Daskreech chuckles
[02:54] <Daskreech> Is that a copy and paste?
[02:55] <DarkwingDuck> nawww...
[02:55] <DarkwingDuck> seperate systems. I tagged that
[02:55] <DarkwingDuck> read and type
[02:55] <Daskreech> ok
[02:55] <Daskreech> Would be amusing if someone uploaded a package with ; for a l
[02:55] <DarkwingDuck> oops, typo on the package
[02:55] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Already uploaded kdepimlibs to fix that
[02:56] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh, when is that available for download?
[02:57]  * JontheEchidna is stuck with xchat and xterm and misses konversation and konsole :(
[02:57] <DarkwingDuck> Im a fan of quassel actually
[02:58] <DarkwingDuck> xchat? *gags*
[02:58] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: ha I went for two weeks with no X once when some packages broke X
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck: kdepimlibs updates should be available now
[02:59] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, it's crashing each time
[02:59] <DarkwingDuck> Ill try to update again before I upgrade *sigh*
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepimlibs-data_4%3a4.3.80-0ubuntu1_all.deb will get your packaging system in a usable state again
[03:00] <ScottK> artwork uploading
[03:01] <DarkwingDuck> woah...
[03:02] <DarkwingDuck> click click boom...
[03:02] <jjesse> good boom?  bad boom?
[03:02] <DarkwingDuck> Unknown media types
[03:02] <DarkwingDuck> That's the only error it turned back...
[03:03] <DarkwingDuck> ohhhhhhhhhh working...
[03:04] <DarkwingDuck> YAY!
[03:04] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, lemme try a reboot and see what happens
[03:05]  * JontheEchidna predicts spinning cursor of doom
[03:05] <dtchen> quilt push 0070-dont-bail-on-sound-class-modem-devs.patch
[03:06] <dtchen> gah, sorry
[03:06] <DarkwingDuck> GAHHHHHHHHH
[03:07] <DarkwingDuck> ROFLMAO!!!!
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, no spinning curser of doom...
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> that's good
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> believe it or not I'm back to the first error
[03:09] <DarkwingDuck> I login, it kicks me back to the login screen, I login a second time and it crashes
[03:10] <ScottK> artwork is up.  Is edu the last one we're missing?
[03:10] <DarkwingDuck> I have no workspace but, wireless, mouse and sound is back
[03:10] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: back to the first problem again LOL
[03:31]  * nixternal waits to update :)
[03:31] <nixternal> let me know when it is safe
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> LOL hey nixternal
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> BUT WHY... *sigh*
[03:35] <Daskreech> safe
[03:35] <Daskreech> lol
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> why why why
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> Why does it require me to login twice??
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> and thus, cause plasma-netbook and KDE daemon to crash?
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> *sigh*
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> AND plasma desktop?
[03:38] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: can you rename /usr/lib/kde4/solid_hal_power.so and see if it still crahes?
[03:39] <ScottK> Note to self: Do NOT try to stop dbus inside the chroot "because it will help the new dbus to configure".
[03:40] <ScottK> It did what I wanted (dbus configured), but I forgot stopping dbus was stopping dbus.
[03:40] <DarkwingDuck> yofel: rebooting now.
[03:42] <DarkwingDuck> yofel: That worked!!
[03:42] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: DanaG posted that workaround in #ubuntu+1 yesterday (I had the same crashes on amd64)
[03:43] <yofel> now why does that make it crash...
[03:43]  * DarkwingDuck buys yofel a couple of kegs
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> At least we know where it is... However, it still required me to log in twice
[03:43] <ScottK> yofel: Reported bugs to bugs.kde.org?
[03:44] <DarkwingDuck> If not, I will....
[03:44] <yofel> not yet, was too busy
[03:44] <nixternal> hey, whats up with 4.3.4? text editors are bombing -> "A KDE text-editor component could not be found. Please check your KDE installation."
[03:44] <DarkwingDuck> You want to report it yofel or, should I do it?
[03:45] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: can you do it please, I can't do it before tomorrow (and give me the bug number)
[03:45] <ScottK> nixternal: Please file a bug on project kubuntu-ppa
[03:45] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, not a problem yofel. I'll get it as soon as I go smoke.
[03:58] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: It would fall under snapshot/SVN right?
[03:58] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Unless 4.3.80 is a choice
[03:58] <DarkwingDuck> Nope. 4.3.4
[04:00] <ScottK> Say in the text of the bug it's 4.3..80
[04:05] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK, yofel: Bug reported... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217816
[04:11]  * DarkwingDuck wonders why he has 48 blocked updates
[04:13] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: apt-get dist-ugprade
[04:15] <DarkwingDuck> oooohhhhh 184 MEGS of updates
[04:21]  * DarkwingDuck holds breath and reboots
[04:22] <DarkwingDuck> As long as my netbook works for capm-kde I'm all up for testing :D
[04:23] <DarkwingDuck> GAHHHHHH!!!!! *sigh*
[04:23] <DarkwingDuck> Nice little box... "Could not start kdeinit4. Check your installation"
[04:28] <DarkwingDuck> broken again ScottK
[04:28] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:29] <ScottK> Remember the part where I suggested waiting until the middle of the Alpha 1 freeze (like on Wed) to do any upgrades?
[04:29] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:29]  * ScottK wasn't kidding.
[04:29] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, wayyyy broken
[04:32] <DarkwingDuck> okay, wednesday then? LOL
[04:54] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: We have every spot filled on the Wiki ToDo list!!
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Maybe one of us should send out an email requesting at least a rough draft up and out be end of year?
[04:57] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: go for it :)
[04:58]  * nixternal is busy with trunk builds
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Okay, i'll get it out tonight
[05:49] <rgreening> Lex79: ping
[05:50] <rgreening> Lex79: pkg-kde-tools dep in karmic backports needs fixing
[05:56] <nixternal> Nightrose: for the junior-jobs do they have to be code related? I am sure I can come up with 100 junior-jobs for documentation :)
[08:12] <ghostcube> ehlo :)
[08:57] <Mamarok> hm, why do we still ship an outdated libmtp8? it's 0.3.7, 1.0.1 is out since August, 1.0.1 is released since a few weeks
[09:02] <Nightrose> nixternal: i have no problem with you filing documentation JJs and then pointing people there ;-)
[09:02] <Nightrose> go for it
[09:22] <Nightrose> uhmmm
[09:22]  * Nightrose hopes vorian isn't serious with that facebook invite
[10:56] <Lex79> rgreening: fixed, thanks
[11:12] <apachelogger> maco: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[11:12] <Riddell> oh tsk, who broke kde4libs
[11:12]  * apachelogger hides in fear that it was him
[11:14] <Riddell> hmm, symbols foo
[11:16] <apachelogger> hah, how cool is google goggles :D
[11:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: caused by what?
[11:17] <Riddell> I've no idea, nothing changed except a Replaces
[11:18] <Lex79> Riddell: you have to change 4.3.80-0ubuntu1 to 0ubuntu2 in libplasma3.symbols.in
[11:18] <apachelogger> oh my
[11:18] <Lex79> in all lines where there is 4.3.80-0ubuntu1
[11:18] <apachelogger> what a maintenance overhead
[11:19] <Lex79> yep
[11:19] <Riddell> why is the package version in the symbols?
[11:20] <Lex79> iirc I added when I merged
[11:22] <Riddell> debian doesn't have the debian part of the version number, I'm sure s/-0ubuntu1// would work
[11:22] <Riddell> I'll test that
[11:22] <Riddell> the alternative is just to remove the symbols file and ignore the issue
[11:25] <Lex79> I checked better, my fault, I added 0ubuntuX in this release, sorry :)
[11:29] <Riddell> building it without to test just incase
[12:16]  * Riddell takes a look at kdeadmin and kdewebdev build failures while kdelibs compiles
[12:47] <ghostcube> split me round round baby round round -.-
[12:55] <Riddell> hmm, so in debian libx11-dev is brought in by libgl1-mesa-dev which is brought in by libqt4-opengl-dev
[12:56]  * Riddell wonders why that's different with us
[13:00] <Mamarok> hm, why do we still ship an outdated libmtp8? it's 0.3.7, 1.0.1 is out since August, 1.0.1 is released since a few weeks
[13:00] <ghostcube> heh Mamarok good question :)
[13:01] <Mamarok> because it might be the solution to quite a few Amarok problems...
[13:04] <Riddell> I expect that's what debian had when we synced
[13:06] <ghostcube> debian stretched release date to later 2010 for new release i read
[13:07] <Mamarok> hm, I will try pinging the Debian folk, too
[13:21] <Riddell> seems our buildds don't install recommended packages
[13:22] <Riddell> so libqt4-opengl-dev doesn't get install so libx11-dev doesn't get installed
[13:22] <Riddell> humph
[13:22] <ScottK> Lex79, apachelogger, and Riddell: You shouldn't have to change the symbols files each update.  The version in the symbols file should be the version where the symbol first appeared.
[13:23] <Lex79> right
[13:23] <apachelogger> makes more sense :D
[13:26] <Riddell> infact debian doesn't install libqt4-opengl-dev in its buildds either nor libx11-dev so maybe libx11-dev is just a new dependency in 4.4
[13:26] <rgreening> seems so
[13:28] <Lex79> Riddell: the same issue is present also in some packages in universe, we have to add libx11-dev in this packages too
[13:29] <Lex79> so, it's not just a new dependency for 4.4.
[13:30] <rgreening> guess someone dropped the dep .. wonder if accidental or intentional
[13:30] <rgreening> or a result of a bad merge
[13:31] <Lex79> intentional
[13:31] <Riddell> debian doesn't have it
[13:31] <Lex79> yes
[13:31] <Riddell> so there's some difference somewhere
[13:32] <Riddell> well I'll add it back as a depend on libqt4-dev
[13:32] <Riddell> ScottK: you were saying colin was doing something which might make qt compile on arm?
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> bug 494027, strace coming (I knew I couldn't be alone)
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> will probably render the next daily iso unbootable
[14:05] <Riddell> oh joy
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> kdm_greet is affected too in my experience
[14:06] <yofel> it is
[14:06] <Riddell> would help if I could get kdelibs to compile, it gets stuck on meinproc doing the docs
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> meinproc has also gotten stuck for quintasan on kdeutils and for maco in kdeedu
[14:07] <yofel> when kdm starts up you get a spinning cursor of death with kdm_greet stuck at 100% CPU
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> yep
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> gotta install gdm and maybe xfce to get a working X environment
[14:08] <yofel> gdm + gnome works
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> I might keep xfce around even after KDE is fixed... it's not that large
[14:09] <Riddell> strace suggests its the same locale issue for meinproc
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> but I do not like xchat at all (not that it's an xfce thing, but...)
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> oh? They're related? interesting...
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> I did have a KDE 4.4 workspace working at one point
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> then after some upgrades stuff didn't work when I rebooted.
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> (this is when we were building stuff in -ninjas)
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> Unfortunately I cannot recall which upgrade killed things :(
[14:11] <Quintasan|Szel> hurr, just thinking I'm wasting my time in school makes me rage
[14:11] <Riddell> I'll try compiling kdelibs without patches and see if that sorts it
[14:15] <ScottK> Riddell: cjwatson was.  Let me check in with him.
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan|Szel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnQSMTpFSMI (don't have speakers up)
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> oh.. but you're at school
[14:17]  * Quintasan|Szel is heading home now :P
[14:18] <Quintasan|Szel> anyways I've wasted 2h+ on PE and lesson after that because they didnt assign us a teacher for subsstitute :/
[14:23] <txwikinger> apachelogger has created the Church of Kubuntu now :D
[14:24] <apachelogger> now? you apparently did not notice all the secret societies I founded over the years :P
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: This looks suspicious: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kdecore/localization/klocale.cpp?r1=1058720&r2=1058719&pathrev=1058720
[14:26] <apachelogger> "I've herd rumors that KDE might become the standard desktop environment in
[14:26] <apachelogger> Ubuntu.  Anyone else know anything about that?"
[14:26] <apachelogger> that is an interesting rumor indeed :D
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I believe that prompted a tarball respin
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> and before the new tarball things were working fine
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> wait, that's post-beta
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> still a bit suspicious
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> perhaps an infinite updatecatalogs loop due to an incorrect number of catalogs it's looking for?
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> since I believe we add a few
[14:32] <apachelogger> omg! android is beating up wmobile
[14:32] <apachelogger> at least in the HTC universe
[14:32] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:32]  * ghostcube maeomo user in the future
[14:32] <ghostcube> maemo
[14:33] <ghostcube> :)
[14:33]  * apachelogger is seriously looking forward to the battle maemo vs. android vs. iphone
[14:33] <ghostcube> vs iphone o.O
[14:33] <ScottK> Riddell: I got kdeedu building last night, but ran out of energy to get it finished.  I'm planning to upload it without the new packages added so we at least have a complete set.
[14:33] <ghostcube> iphone is a gameboy for runaways
[14:33] <txwikinger> apachelogger: There was a spoof blog entry somewhere about that some time ago
[14:34] <txwikinger> android?
[14:34] <ghostcube> what kde defaulting into ubuntu o.O
[14:34]  * txwikinger heard google is working on stealingn the evil empire status from M$
[14:34] <ghostcube> yeah with its strange chrome os
[14:34] <ghostcube> :)
[14:34] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:35] <apachelogger> its not google's fault that noone seemd to be able to create a sensible browser and then an OS tuned towards the intartubes
[14:35] <ghostcube> :D
[14:35]  * apachelogger finds that fact alone very scary TBH
[14:35] <claydoh> apachelogger: someone in kubuntuforums theorized the kde-to-replace-gnome thing, he is an anti-mono person, and postulated that shuttleworth keeps kubuntu around just in case the hammer comes down from MS on its patents
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> IBM was the evil empire for the mainframe days. Microsoft for the desktop days. Google will be the evil empire of the interwebs days
[14:36] <ScottK> claydoh: You going to do us an Alpha ! announcement?
[14:36] <ScottK> !/1
[14:36] <txwikinger> IBM was? IBM *is* still the evil empire for mainframes :D
[14:36] <claydoh> um, maybe, though I have not even tried lucid yet :/
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> but they're not evil since they put $1bn into linux
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:37] <apachelogger> claydoh: I hope someone explained to him that novell sold out to MS and hence mono is in no danger (well the next 10 years or so anyway)
[14:37] <txwikinger> well.. maybe they try to mask their evilness :p
[14:37] <claydoh> apachelogger: that won't woork with him
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> it's more of a public opinion thing
[14:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kdelibs without patches seems to solve the meinproc infinite loop
[14:37] <txwikinger> JontheEchidna: Google uses Linux (even an internal ubuntu derivate) everywhere too
[14:37] <apachelogger> claydoh: so tell him that MS is advertising mono as official port
[14:37] <apachelogger> because that is what happens
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if applying: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kdecore/localization/klocale.cpp?r1=1058720&r2=1058719&pathrev=1058720 would fix it
[14:38]  * txwikinger deleted tomboy from his desktop after finding out it uses mono
[14:38] <claydoh> apachelogger: no, he is pretty much locked into his view
[14:39] <apachelogger> just saying, if you dont fix him, at least prevent others from believing him
[14:39]  * apachelogger finds that seroiusly messed up
[14:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'll try that
[14:39] <apachelogger> just like I found it seriously messed up when gnome fanboys called Qt unfree because of the dual license thingy
[14:39] <txwikinger> btw... in South America there is something liek a 4:1 ration of KDE:Gnome usage
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> kde rev 1057627 looks suspicious too
[14:40] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I just don't like mono :D nothing to do with freedom :p
[14:40] <apachelogger> well, that is another thing
[14:41] <claydoh> apachelogger: if you are bored http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3108275.0
[14:41] <claydoh> icluding my lame attempt to get a simple question answered
[14:42] <apachelogger> someone sould add a disclaimr to the first post :P
[14:42] <apachelogger> then all is good
[14:44] <claydoh> Ok, so what is new and kewl for alpha1? besides the kde version?
[14:45] <apachelogger> curch of kubuntu obviously
[14:45] <txwikinger> Novell is a wholly owned subsidiary of M$?
[14:47] <apachelogger> txwikinger: did you take at novell's numbers recently ... their linux stuff drives in ~40M IIRC, compared to ~200M loss or so
[14:47] <apachelogger> mostly write-offs, but still
[14:47]  * claydoh goes out to move snow and then get lunch
[14:47] <txwikinger> apachelogger: They will win billions of $ from SCO :D :p
[14:48] <apachelogger> if they want to focus on the linux market stuff, then they either need to boost the market a whole lot, or they need to shrink the company
[14:48] <apachelogger> personally observation that is
[14:48] <apachelogger> txwikinger: I would not count on that :P
[14:48] <apachelogger> where there is nothing, you cant win anything :P
[14:49] <Tm_T> claydoh: that's nuts...
[14:50]  * txwikinger needs to stop reading nonsense and start working a bit
[14:52] <apachelogger> "These are the PATENTED libraries"
[14:52] <Riddell> if I don't apply kubuntu_56_langpacks_desktop_files.diff then meinproc works
[14:52] <apachelogger> one can patent whole libraries?
[14:52] <apachelogger> something must seriously be wrong with that patent system Oo
[14:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: not that I argued the whole langpacks stuff is causing maintenance overhead? :P
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> would an emergency upload unapplying that patch be appropriate for now?
[14:54] <Riddell> mm hmm
[14:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: well let me play around quickly and see what can be done
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> kk
[14:55] <apachelogger> as long as it comes back soonish :S
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> not like I could upload it anyways, due to wonky ACL for kubuntu-dev
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> a kubuntu-dev cannot upload soprano, akonadi, kde4libs or kdepimlibs
[14:56] <Riddell> but can upload gdm
[14:56] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah
[14:56] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you please reply to my mail to ubuntu-devel of a few days ago adding the additional packages that concern us?
[14:57]  * JontheEchidna admits he's not subscribed to ubuntu-devel and never saw the mail
[14:58] <ScottK> You really should.  It's not terribly high volume.
[14:58] <apachelogger> I've got 2502 unread mails in there... not exactly low volume either
[14:59] <Riddell> only 2502?  you're lucky
[14:59] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:59] <apachelogger> >23k unread bug mails though
[15:08] <ScottK> kdeedu is up (finally)
[15:09] <Riddell> I believe that fixes our problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/337322/
[15:11] <Riddell> so back to the symbols question
[15:11] <Tm_T> claydoh: oh, that thread was more nuts than I first thought, ouch!
[15:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan|Szel: knew no better to write for your application
[15:17] <apachelogger> Tm_T: you read the whole thread?
[15:18] <apachelogger> oh boy
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: make sure the backports get riddell's patch^
[15:29]  * JontheEchidna out for a bit
[15:29] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: ok
[15:29] <Tm_T> apachelogger: yes, and I really think administrator should never do rant threads, and double-no for closing discussion when they have their said done
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: thanks
[15:30] <Lex79> np
[16:01] <Lure> apachelogger, Riddell, ScottK: if you have time to review by per-package upload request: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/DigikamKipiPluginsApplication
[16:04]  * ScottK is fixing webdev.  Then I'll be off most of the day.
[16:06] <Quintasan> uff
[16:06] <Quintasan> finally
[16:06] <Riddell> hi Quintasan
[16:08] <Quintasan> Riddell: hello
[16:08] <skreech> Hello
[16:10] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Hmm I forgot about libortp, I guess I shall remove it from bzr then
[16:10] <Quintasan> :wq
[16:10] <Quintasan> :/
[16:11] <Lure> ScottK: no hurry, I know most of you are busy ;-)
[16:19] <Tm_T> hmmm, we had default browser blueprint somewhere, but I cannot find it now
[16:23] <Tm_T> ah, this one atleast: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidPackaging
[16:24] <EagleScreen> hi boys
[16:26] <ghostcube> ehlo
[16:26] <ScottK> webdev fix is up, so I think we are complete.
[16:26] <ScottK> maco: If you want to continue on with edu, it looks like it needs two new binaries added.  I put the list-missing output in bzr for reference.
[16:27] <skreech> edu is the only one missing currently from Lynx ?
[16:27] <ScottK> edu is building now.
[16:27] <ScottK> Just uploaded the fix to get webdev built.
[16:27] <ScottK> I think that's it.
[16:28] <ScottK> People should do upgrade testing to catch file conflicts.
[16:29] <EagleScreen> i am trying to build a kind of merge between konversation 1.2.1-1 from Debian with Kubuntu patches in 1.2-0ubuntu3, I find that 0003-Change-indicator-app-entry-behavior.diff cannot be applied
[16:29] <Lex79> ScottK: kdepim is not uploaded yet, it's still in bzr
[16:30] <ScottK> Oh.
[16:30] <ScottK> Lex79: Is it ready?
[16:30] <Lex79> yes for me
[16:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^ Can you do this one?  I have to go.
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> kdepim? sure
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> agateau: ping
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> brb
[16:44] <agateau> JontheEchidna: pong
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> agateau: oh, glad I caught you
[16:44]  * JontheEchidna was about to reboot
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> anyway, it seems that the Konversation indicator patch fails to apply with 1.2.1, and I was hoping you could take a look at it
[16:45] <agateau> sure, let me download the source
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> also, now that kdepim accepted the indicator patches, upstream says that it increases the likelihood of them accepting the patch upstream
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> er, konversation upstream
[16:45] <agateau> great!
[16:45] <agateau> it needs a bit more work though
[16:45] <agateau> but would be cool
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> great, thanks. I'll reboot now. ;-)
[16:52] <amik> JontheEchidna: just a reminder, it would be nice to have ur jockey notification changes and the activation bugfix in the alpha...
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. thanks
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> amik: where is your branch again? I'll poke pitti today
[16:57] <amik> JontheEchidna: lp:~amichai2/jockey/fixes. actually only revision 583 is relevant, the other is superceded by your changes iirc
[16:57] <amik> silly ubottu, trix are for kids
[16:58] <Tm_T> hi emma
[17:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: One more before I'm really gone ...  kdenetwork needs uploaded again to drop the Universe build-dep.
[17:08] <agateau> JontheEchidna: Here is a patchset which applied on upstream tar ball (didn't try with source pkg): http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/tmp/konversation-1.2.1-20091208.tar.bz2
[17:12] <Quintasan> Hmm next meeting friday morning :/
[17:18] <debfx> Riddell: I uploaded debdiffs for firefox and xulrunner to bug #494067
[17:18] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: remove libortp-dev from debian/control in bzr
[17:18] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I mean I removed :P
[17:18] <debfx> Riddell: kmozillahelper is on REVU http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kmozillahelper
[17:20] <Riddell> debfx: ooh great
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: k, I'll get to that after kdepim
[17:30] <lubyou> whats the current status of 4.4 beta packages?
[17:30] <tsimpson> kubuntu.org and the #kubuntu topic will be updated when packages are available
[17:31] <lubyou> well
[17:32] <lubyou> of course they will be, thought one could be a bit more specific
[17:34] <tsimpson> they'll be ready when they are ready, many are working on it as we speak :)
[17:34] <lubyou> ok whatever
[17:45]  * Riddell uploads qt4 and kde4libs 
[18:37] <yofel> argh,  kde4libs build failed
[18:37] <yofel> ups, wrong channel
[19:04] <debfx> ScottK: I have refreshed the brightness osd patch: http://debfx.fobos.de/kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> Woo, back in KDE
[19:15] <Lex79> :)
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> solution: remove the offending /usr/share/locale/currency/yourlocale.desktop
[19:24] <davmor2> Riddell: you about dude?
[19:26] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: kdelibs is still ftbs, I'm fixing, do you have the power for upload this package?
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> nope :(
[19:26] <Lex79> bah :(
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> I can't do akonadi, soprano, kde4libs or kdepimlibs
[19:28] <Lex79> ok I take note, qt too (iirc)
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[19:33] <cragdor> Hi all, Does anyone know when xrandr will support multihead nvidia setups?
[19:52] <Lex79> ScottK or Riddell, kdelibs fixed in bzr, it's still ftbs in archive, can upload please?
[19:52] <jussi01> cragdor: it does?
[19:52]  * Lex79 out for a bit
[19:53] <cragdor> jussi01; strange it doesn't pick up my second monitor! Its been driving me nuts as kubuntu loads just one monitor on boot
[19:54] <jussi01> cragdor: Ive mine setup with the nice nvidia config - have you tried that?
[19:55] <jussi01> you need to run it as root so it can write to your xorg though
[19:56] <cragdor> jussil01, i use nvidia settings, however that can't save to xorg anymore since the xorg conf doesn't exist in karmic koala(Its auto detect at boot)
[19:57] <cragdor> and it still only allows twinview rather than detecting each monitor seperately. xrandr can't identy both monitors
[19:59] <Riddell> hi davmor2
[19:59] <Riddell> davmor2: I've got a blog to write tonight
[20:00] <Riddell> Lex79: so what's the secret to updating the symbols file?
[20:01] <davmor2> Riddell: did you get to the bottom of the xorg issue in the end, that was preventing kub alt from installing?
[20:06] <Riddell> davmor2: no I've not looked at that, was going to wait until kde 4.4 beta was in then worry about whether CDs built
[20:07] <davmor2> Riddell: you know that alpha 1 is like thursday right ;)
[20:07] <Riddell> ages to go yet!
[20:12] <Lex79> Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36597752/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kde4libs_4%3A4.3.80-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:13] <Lex79> at the end of buildlog see the lines starting with "-"
[20:13] <Lex79> they should be removed since are missing
[20:13] <Lex79> and when the line starts with "+" should be added
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: uploading kdepim
[20:14] <Lex79> with just "+" and not with "+#MISSING"
[20:15] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks, looks good? it was a bit mess :(
[20:15] <Lex79> kpilot is gone \o/
[20:16] <davmor2> Riddell: hah there's still time for you to run out of you mean ;)
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: we just have to remember to add back the docs after kde4libs is fixed
[20:17] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: kdelibs is fixed with Riddell's patch?
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:19] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: should we remove bilbo from the archive after 4.4 final ? now there is blogilo (which was bilbo)
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> we get to remove a lot of plasma-widget- packages that were merged in to KDE
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> It should probably go now, to prevent problems
[20:30] <Riddell> Lure: I said nice things on your application
[20:30] <Riddell> Quintasan|Szel: where's yours again?
[20:30] <Lure> Riddell: you liar ;-)
[20:30]  * Lure checks
[20:31] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[20:47] <Riddell> Quintasan|Szel: done
[21:01] <ruphy> https://launchpad.net/~fintiminti nice way to spam, this is getting linked
[22:11] <Riddell> Lex79: waa
[22:11] <Riddell> compiled on amd64, failed on i386
[22:12] <Riddell> I'm tempted just to get rid of the file, it's more hassle than its worth
[22:12] <maco> ruphy: oh goodness
[22:48] <Lex79> Riddell: we have to check every time if it built on both arch since symbols are differents for amd64 and i386, get rid of it is the best choice I think
[22:53]  * JontheEchidna updates webkitkde now that we have KDE 4.4. in
[23:01] <Riddell> Lex79: there must be some way that debian uses it, but I'm not convinced its worth the effort
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: what's the policy on uploading stuff during alpha freeze? Are FTBFS fixes ok?
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: symbols stuff helps shlibdeps discover the exact version of a library that $PACKAGE should depend on
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> probably part of their paranoia against libplasma becoming binary incompatible ;-)
[23:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: are you asking about kdelibs?  I'd like to get that sorted before alpha so we can still upload it
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kdeplasma-addons, I uploaded a conflicts/replace fix earlier today and it failed due to a build-dep that wasn't bumped during the initial 4.3.80 upload
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> also kdenetwork 4.3.80-0ubuntu1 failed due to a universe build-dep. I'm also wondering if it would be appropriate to sponsor a fix for that.
[23:12] <Riddell> I uploaded kdenetwork not long ago
[23:13] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: go ahead on kdeplasma-addons
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> oh, so  you did
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> this buildlog worries me, though: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/4:4.3.80-0ubuntu3/+build/1386728/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kdeplasma-addons_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> more than just libkexiv2-7-dev aren't installable
[23:15] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: needs keedu 4.3.80, new marble version
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> that would make sense
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> what needs done with kdeedu?
[23:18] <Lex79> uhmm, kdeedu is built, maybe kdeplasma-addons is built against a lower version of kdeedu...I saw that error many times in ppa in the past
[23:22] <Lex79> uhm no plasma-addons is built with libmarble-dev 4.3.80 :(
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> kdepim needs pushed through new queue
[23:45] <nixternal> woo snow!
[23:45] <jjesse> snow sucks, o'hare is delayed 2 hours on average
[23:46] <nixternal> there you are
[23:46] <nixternal> jjesse: it is supposed to get worse before it gets better :)
[23:46] <nixternal> how long have you been there?
[23:46] <jjesse> tell me about it, i'll be suprised if i leave tonight
[23:46] <jjesse> want to drive me to michigan?
[23:47] <nixternal> haha, can you wait until saturday? I am heading to BH with my sister
[23:47] <jjesse> i think my wife would kill me
[23:47] <nixternal> hehe
[23:47] <nixternal> better you than me
[23:47] <nixternal> I heard GR took some snow the other day
[23:47] <jjesse> 6 inches
[23:48] <jjesse> weatherman says 6 more by tomorrow evening
[23:48] <nixternal> yeah, weatherman said an inch, we already have that and then some in just over an hours worth of snowfall
[23:49] <nixternal> ok, what am I missing here...trying to build kdelibs but it is complaining about no polkit-1 so it is doing a fake backend for kauth
[23:49] <nixternal> i swear both polkit and polkit-1 are installed