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| shtylman | cjwatson: have you noticed that the installer is slower in general as of late (including the last release?) | 02:05 |
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| shtylman | have their been any complaints about its speed (not just partitioner) .. cause I got some feedback on the kde side saying it is slow moving through steps | 02:06 |
| shtylman | im just wondering if we have some poor interaction happening or something else related to plugins and whatnot | 02:06 |
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| cjwatson | shtylman: not particularly slower *of late*, but most of the inter-step slowness is spent restarting debconf-communicate; I did try to fix that recently, but it's not entirely trivial because it does genuinely have to be restarted when switching language | 10:04 |
| CIA-15 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r1212 ubuntu/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Move to 2.6.32-7 kernels. | 10:43 |
| cjwatson | shtylman: (what I mean is, it's always been slow) | 10:43 |
| CIA-15 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r1213 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu73 | 10:45 |
| CIA-15 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r1214 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel/imx51.cfg debian/changelog): Move iMX51 images to 2.6.31-601 kernels. | 10:48 |
| CIA-15 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r1215 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel/dove.cfg debian/changelog): Move Dove images to 2.6.31-701 kernels. | 10:48 |
| CIA-15 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r1216 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu74 | 10:51 |
| CIA-15 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3615 ubiquity/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merge lp:~pitti/ubiquity/halsectomy | 10:54 |
| CIA-15 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3616 ubiquity/debian/changelog: bug closure for Mario's change | 11:14 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: anything you need adding to bug 492873? | 11:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 492873 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with TypeError in isfile()" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/492873 | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | no | 11:55 |
| cjwatson | it's fixed | 11:55 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: ah okay cool :) | 11:56 |
| CIA-15 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3617 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog debian/control): | 11:58 |
| CIA-15 | ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer | 11:58 |
| CIA-15 | ubiquity: 1.103ubuntu2, preseed 1.43. | 11:58 |
| CIA-15 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3618 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.4 | 12:08 |
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| ev | shot myself in the foot for the last time (accidentally rebooted the live CD with lots of changes not copied out), time to set up NFS mounts. | 13:47 |
| zortec | I just got done installing ubuntu 9.10 and have a few things to say about the installer | 13:48 |
| zortec | it would help out people changing from windows to linux to explain during the installer what a primary and logical partition would be | 13:49 |
| zortec | also if there is any adverse effects of doing the end of the drive instead of the beginning | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | could you file bugs, please? IRC is not really a good medium for bug reporting | 13:50 |
| zortec | I was told to come to the channel and voice my concerns | 13:51 |
| cjwatson | though primary/logical is not a Linux-specific thing, so I'm not sure why this would particularly apply to Windows switchers | 13:51 |
| zortec | from the #ubuntu channel | 13:51 |
| cjwatson | and I'm telling you to voice them in the bug tracker ... :-) | 13:51 |
| cjwatson | (well, asking) | 13:51 |
| zortec | well I can understand how primary/logical is not necessarily a linux-specific thing, but I didn't know the difference when installing ubuntu whether or not to make them primary or logical partitions | 13:52 |
| zortec | I set / to a primary and the rest of the mount points as logical partitions | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | TBH, people who aren't familiar with partitioning shouldn't use the manual partitioning interface at all | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | better to use the automatic partitioner | 13:52 |
| zortec | I used it because I wanted a /home partition | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | why? | 13:52 |
| zortec | and was told manual partitioning is the best way | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | that's definitely not a novice thing | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | (reason: because novices won't know a reasonable split) | 13:53 |
| zortec | does logical and primary make a lot of difference? | 13:53 |
| cjwatson | no | 13:53 |
| cjwatson | you can have up to four primary partitions; if you have any logical partitions, that number decreases by one | 13:53 |
| cjwatson | and there are some constraints on where they can go, but the installer won't let you violate this | 13:54 |
| cjwatson | it doesn't matter for Linux, anyway, but might matter for some other OSes | 13:54 |
| zortec | so either way would have been fine, I do remember reading that there was a limit on primary partitions | 13:55 |
| zortec | just wonder if I screwed up at all not making them all primary | 13:55 |
| cjwatson | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_table#PC_BIOS_partition_types | 13:55 |
| cjwatson | no, you're fine | 13:55 |
| cjwatson | in fact the installer prefers to use logical partitions itself where possible, since their positioning is more flexible | 13:55 |
| zortec | and another thing that happened in the installer was the screen went black... I know that is a screensaver but some people might think their monitor went dead | 13:55 |
| cjwatson | that's definitely a bug, the screensaver is supposed to be suppressed | 13:56 |
| cjwatson | please report that | 13:57 |
| zortec | how do you report bugs in ubuntu? | 13:57 |
| zortec | this would be my first one :) | 13:58 |
| cjwatson | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs | 13:58 |
| ev | Is it? Looking at a live CD, gnome-power-manager is set to blank the screen after 30 minutes. | 13:58 |
| zortec | but should it blank the screen during the installer? | 13:58 |
| zortec | it was like at 90% and the screen went blank | 13:58 |
| cjwatson | ev: I'm referring to e.g. ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py:poke_screensaver; you may have found the bug then ;-) | 13:58 |
| cjwatson | zortec: no, it should not | 13:59 |
| ev | cjwatson: I take it we don't care about CRT burn in? (I don't, just playing Devil's advocate) | 13:59 |
| cjwatson | ev: no :) | 13:59 |
| cjwatson | that hasn't actually been a physical problem for a long time | 13:59 |
| cjwatson | and even if it were I wouldn't care in the installer | 13:59 |
| cjwatson | this is just a straight bug | 14:00 |
| ev | fair enough | 14:00 |
| zortec | when has CRT burn in been an issue since we have lcds now? | 14:00 |
| cjwatson | it hasn't | 14:00 |
| zortec | I thought like nobody used screensavers any more | 14:01 |
| zortec | they are a legacy thing | 14:01 |
| cjwatson | screensavers are provided because (a) people like the pretty pictures (b) they double as a screen-lock | 14:01 |
| cjwatson | (b) is certainly not legacy | 14:02 |
| cjwatson | but none of this is relevant to the installer. as I say, please file a bug | 14:02 |
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| superm1 | cjwatson, FYI the screensaver --poke not working is bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/428884 . it unfortunately affects a lot of stuff that was relying on --poke to turn off the screensaver | 15:49 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 428884 in gnome-screensaver "gnome-screensaver-command --poke no longer inhibits screensaver" [Unknown,Confirmed] | 15:49 |
| cjwatson | lovely. thanks for the ref | 15:50 |
| cjwatson | ev: ^- | 15:50 |
| superm1 | there's an alternate interface available via org.gnome.SessionManager I believe. it would have been nice if at the same time as telling everyone to go use that, they dropped --poke rather than leaving the broken code in. (Personally i think it would be best if they just implemented --poke to go use that interface itself) | 15:51 |
| cjwatson | we can use the dbus thing | 15:52 |
| cjwatson | we already have dbus in the gtk frontend for something else | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | I agree on the "shouldn't have been done that way" bit | 15:53 |
| ev | superm1: any idea if that takes care of inhibiting dpms as well? (sorry if the link answers that, my horrendously awful T-Mobile 3G connection is being really bad at dns resolution at the moment) | 15:53 |
| superm1 | ev, i'd imagine so, but i'm not certain | 15:54 |
| superm1 | ev, if your hangup is at t-mobile's DNS, 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 are the opendns servers (in case you didn't already have them somewhere/try that instead) | 15:58 |
| zortec | I filed the bug at launchpad | 16:09 |
| zortec | but would like to add that launchpad doesn't stay up very l ong | 16:09 |
| ev | nice, thanks | 16:12 |
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| soren | cjwatson: Hey. I'm doing rotation into the QA team, and I'm working on automating the server install test cases. Now, traditionally, we've automated this using preseeding, but I'm working on a setup that will go through an interactive install, typing and clicking its way through it like a regular user would. | 21:25 |
| soren | cjwatson: Personally, I think this is wicked cool, but its usefulness compared to the preseed approach has been questioned, and I'd like your opinion. | 21:25 |
| soren | cjwatson: The way it works is that it waits for the screen (or portion thereof) to look a specific way (so waits for the prompts to appear) and then sends key and mouse events in response. | 21:27 |
| soren | cjwatson: This is part of such an install run: http://people.canonical.com/~soren/kvm-autotest-magic/ | 21:27 |
| soren | cjwatson: It looks very much like a preseeded install, but e.g. about two thirds in, you can see the "Write changes to disks and configure LVM?" prompt, where it <TAB>s over to the "Yes" option and hits return. | 21:29 |
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