[00:00] <_marx_> true mhall119
[00:00] <mhall119> it wouldn't surprise me if they get it into Universe before April
[00:13] <cprofitt> join #edubuntu
[00:14] <cprofitt> pleia2: you around?
[00:14] <mhall119> cprofitt: she's in #ubuntu-meeting right now, membership meeting in progress
[00:15] <winblows1970> hi , can someone help me with ubuntu messup
[00:16] <mhall119> winblows1970: general ubuntu help, or something specific to teaching materials?
[00:17] <winblows1970> uhm and that means....
[00:18] <BiosElement> winblows1970: You're looking for the #ubuntu channel I think.
[00:18] <mhall119> winblows1970: this channel is specific to a project that creating teaching materials for Ubuntu
[00:18] <winblows1970> oh
[00:18] <winblows1970> how do i find   ubuntu channel
[00:18] <mhall119> for help with ubuntu, you should try either #ubuntu or, since that gets busy, #ubuntu-beginners
[00:19] <BiosElement> Depends on your IRC cleint. It's probably /join #ubuntu
[00:19] <BiosElement> *client
[00:19] <winblows1970> thanks will try
[00:21] <winblows1970> sry ...but do i use chanserv for finding ubuntu...new to irc thnks
[00:22] <mhall119> winblows1970: what program are you using to access irc?
[00:23] <winblows1970> a messenger program has mutiple aim yahoo exc....
[00:25] <mhall119> winblows1970: Pidgin?
[00:25] <mhall119> Empathy?
[00:25] <mhall119> one of those?
[00:25] <winblows1970> ya
[00:25] <mhall119> are you currently on Ubuntu?
[00:26] <winblows1970> ti think i found it
[00:26] <winblows1970> have a room list and about 100 ubuntu rooms
[00:26] <winblows1970> lol
[00:27] <mhall119> if you're using Pidgin, you can just type "/join #ubuntu" here (without the quotes)
[00:27] <mhall119> if it's empathy, there's a menu option to join a room, then just enter #ubuntu as the room/channel name
[00:28] <winblows1970> thank you very much. cya have a nice nite/day
[00:37] <edoroman1> hi
[00:37] <edoroman1> is anyone there???
[00:37] <edoroman1> i need help with ubuntu
[00:37] <edoroman1> can someone help me please?
[00:37] <mhall119> edoroman1: for Ubuntu help, try #ubuntu
[00:38] <edoroman1> ok thanks
[13:22] <nigel_nb> hey guys
[13:39] <nigel_nb> BiosElement: ping
[13:54] <nigel_nb> doctormo: ping
[13:54] <doctormo> nigel_nb: pong
[13:54] <nigel_nb> hey, how are you? heard you were sick
[13:56] <nigel_nb> need an update on the new formatting
[13:57] <nigel_nb> _marx_: heard you guys had some issue in your loco with people not being okay with IRC....
[14:05] <nigel_nb> doctormo: are you busy?
[14:11] <doctormo> nigel_nb: About to go out
[14:11] <nigel_nb> oh, later then
[14:11] <doctormo> nigel_nb: The formatting is the same AFAIK, can we sit down later?
[14:11] <nigel_nb> I'll finish everything the way I was doing and we'll do this later
[14:12] <doctormo> bte: http://www.sitasingstheblues.com/watch.html
[14:12] <nigel_nb> some trouble with conversion, pleia2 was telling me
[14:13] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Interesting, we'll pick this up later, I've slowly recovering ebnough to get back on top of it.
[14:46] <nigel_nb> pleia2: you probably should change the /topic and remove stuff about meeting from wiki
[14:47] <pleia2> nigel_nb: yeah, I'll do that when I prep the meeting page and stuff
[14:47] <pleia2> sorry, still a bit sick :(
[14:48] <nigel_nb> you want me to get the wiki ready?
[14:48] <nigel_nb> I think I can do it (if u tell me what I have to do)
[14:49] <nigel_nb> hope you get well soon :)
[14:50] <ZachK_> Meeting?
[14:50] <ZachK_> Did someone say meeting?!?!?!!
[14:50]  * ZachK_ loves meetings
[14:50] <nigel_nb> meeting's over
[14:50] <ZachK_> damn
[14:52]  * pleia2 passes the swear jar to ZachK_ 
[14:52] <nigel_nb> ZachK_: FYI, this channel HAS public logs, so what u say is set in stone
[14:52] <pleia2> nigel_nb: just take a look at past meeting pages where we link to logs and write minutes (or at least copy the agenda over)
[14:53]  * ZachK_ swears in jar...thanks pleia2 
[14:53] <ZachK_> hey pleia2
[14:53] <pleia2> nigel_nb: like this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda/07272009
[14:53] <pleia2> ZachK_: no, you put money in it :)
[14:53] <ZachK_> pleia2: ok......
[14:53] <pleia2> nigel_nb: if you don't get to the "minutes" part, that's ok :) but the top is important
[14:53]  * ZachK_ puts 1¢ in the jar
[14:54] <nigel_nb> pleia2: okay, I saw the point where you got lazy and just started linking them
[14:54]  * ZachK_ smacks nigel_nb 
[14:54] <ZachK_> don't you dare call pleia2 lazy!
[14:54] <pleia2> nigel_nb: yeah, I think swoody was going to go through and fix those up but I think he got busy
[14:54]  * ZachK_ laughs....
[14:55] <ZachK_> messing 'round...i'm still a little wacky from work
[14:56] <nigel_nb> ZachK_: well, I did hear her say herself :P
[14:56] <ZachK_> nigel_nb: i know dude....hehehe
[14:56] <ZachK_> i'm messing with you....
[14:57] <ZachK_> nigel_nb: I'm messing with you 'cause I miss my padawan...you grew up so fast!
[14:58] <nigel_nb> ha :P
[15:18] <_marx_> nigel_nb: folks commenting that IRC isn't "beginner-ish"
[15:19] <nigel_nb> _marx_: I went through the mail archives
[15:19] <nigel_nb> will it be possible to have videos on connecting to IRC from empathy/pidgin?
[15:19] <pleia2> screencasts :)
[15:19] <nigel_nb> we could upload it and send it to our loco
[15:20] <nigel_nb> even the web interface would be fine
[15:20] <nigel_nb> we just need people to understand how to connect, how to see the session, and how to ask questions
[15:21] <_marx_> screencast/video a good idea I think
[15:21] <_marx_> but one on XChat as well
[15:21] <nigel_nb> sure
[15:21] <nigel_nb> if u can do the audio, I can get the video done
[15:21] <mhall119|work> XChat isn't what I'd use for beginners
[15:22] <nigel_nb> mhall119|work: +1
[15:22]  * _marx_ gtk-recordmydesktop doesn't record sound for some reason
[15:22] <mhall119|work> _marx_: have compiz enabled?
[15:22] <_marx_> yes
[15:22] <nigel_nb> _marx_: audio is supposed to be recorded later anyway
[15:22] <mhall119|work> oh, sound
[15:22] <mhall119|work> yeah
[15:22] <mhall119|work> none of the desktop recorders I've used record sound
[15:22] <nigel_nb> mhall119|work: it wont
[15:23] <_marx_> even when i disconnect webcam so there's only one mic
[15:23] <nigel_nb> I went through some guide for it
[15:23] <nigel_nb> audio should be recorded later using some other software
[15:23] <mhall119|work> you might be able to record sounds with something like Audacity while you're recording the screen
[15:23] <nigel_nb> like Kino
[15:23] <_marx_> yeah and then mixed
[15:23] <nigel_nb> yep
[15:23] <nigel_nb> audacity will work
[15:23] <_marx_> now that's a thought
[15:23] <nigel_nb> I can do the video and upload it to rapidshare
[15:24] <_marx_> yeah audacity picks up either mic on my sys
[15:24] <nigel_nb> can you download, do the audio and get it to me?
[15:24] <nigel_nb> I'll mix the audio/video and upload on blip.tv
[15:24] <nigel_nb> and we can send it out to our respective loco's
[15:24] <nigel_nb> my accent won't be really friendly for everyone :(
[15:24] <_marx_> i'll give it a shot
[15:25] <_marx_> haha
[15:25] <_marx_> it'll be like calling some tech support ;-)
[15:25] <nigel_nb> haha, true
[15:25] <nigel_nb> that could serve as a lasting video for classroom sessions too
[15:26] <_marx_> now here's a weird idea, same video, different accents
[15:27] <nigel_nb> could work, but I think a neutral accent might work for everyone
[15:27] <_marx_> hollywood accent
[15:27] <nigel_nb> that would spoil it :P
[15:27]  * _marx_ has a touch of the US south
[15:28] <nigel_nb> if nothing works, there's always the good doc :)
[15:29] <nigel_nb> _marx_: just to confirm, what all are we do we need?
[15:29] <nigel_nb> empathy, pidgin, web.. enough?
[15:30] <nigel_nb> mhall119|work: comments on ^^
[15:30] <_marx_> yeah i think so
[15:30] <mhall119|work> nigel_nb: I think so, yes
[15:30] <_marx_> the wiki on xchat is pretty thorough
[15:30] <mhall119|work> any default install will have pidgin or empathy
[15:30] <mhall119|work> and web of course is available to all
[15:31]  * _marx_ ttrying istanbul now
[15:31] <nigel_nb> web would be the most user friendly
[15:31] <_marx_> and stuttering ;)
[15:31] <nigel_nb> yeah
[15:31] <mhall119|work> _marx_: probably compiz
[15:32] <mhall119|work> gtk-recordmydesktop works pretty will for me even with compiz
[15:32] <_marx_> isn't it SOP to use default desktop bg?
[15:32] <nigel_nb> _marx_: got virtualbox?
[15:33] <_marx_> yes, running lucid on it
[15:33] <nigel_nb> the SOP is to use a clean install so that all themes/backgrounds would be default
[15:33] <nigel_nb> and the soft uses less space that way
[15:33] <_marx_> hum, well it's no longer all defaults either
[15:33] <nigel_nb> new vm? ;)
[15:34] <_marx_> it's close enough i've not added much to it
[15:35] <_marx_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/markthecarp/4081269643
[15:35] <_marx_> just change the bg back to default from that one ;)
[15:35] <nigel_nb> oh yeah, the background defintely needs to change :)
[15:36] <nigel_nb> I'll get you the SOP on videos
[15:36] <nigel_nb> ah, good pleia2 :)
[15:37] <nigel_nb> _marx_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/RecordingScreencasts
[15:37] <nigel_nb> from the screencast team
[15:37] <_marx_> thanks nigel_nb
[15:37] <nigel_nb> yaay! I'm off today, so I get some stuff done today itself
[17:24]  * _marx_ screencast attempts did not go well
[17:39] <nigel_nb_> _marx_: how bad?
[18:00] <nigel_nb_> _marx_: still with me here or split away?
[18:41] <nigel_nb_> pleia2: the penguins in your christmas deco looks soooo geeky :)
[18:41] <pleia2> nigel_nb_: thanks ;)
[19:47] <_marx_> i'm back nigel_nb_ splits are bad today
[19:47] <nigel_nb_> yeah
[19:48] <nigel_nb_> how did your first attempt go?
[19:48] <_marx_> gtk-recordmydesktop wants to capture the entire virtual box window
[19:49] <_marx_> vbox is really loading my system up I suspect it's the state of lucid
[19:50] <_marx_> if we're off topic in here we can take this somewhere else
[19:50] <nigel_nb> nope we're not
[19:50] <nigel_nb> userdays comes under learning team
[19:51] <nigel_nb> and what we're doing is related to user days
[19:51]  * nigel_nb hopes he is right
[19:51] <nigel_nb> _marx_: to solve that problem, try xvidcap
[19:51] <nigel_nb> it allows you set the area to be captured
[19:52] <_marx_> that's cool because that's exactly what I was thinking
[19:52] <_marx_> you think 1.5 gig ram is enough?
[19:52] <nigel_nb> wow
[19:53] <nigel_nb> that should be more that enough
[19:53] <nigelbabu> okay, this is me from empathy
[19:53] <nigelbabu> not, bad, now I know what to do :P
[19:54] <_marx_> doesn't seem that much easier than xchat to me
[19:55] <nigel_nb> actually, I find it more clunky
[19:55] <nigel_nb> coz for the class, you need to be in 2 rooms at once
[19:55] <nigel_nb> one for class and one for questions
[19:56] <_marx_> istanbul was a complete, well nearly complete mystery
[19:58] <nigel_nb> istanbul captures the whole screen
[19:58] <nigel_nb> that must be why screencast team recommends xvidcap
[20:01] <_marx_> slow, recording now
[20:02] <marco_polo> and that's me er marx
[20:02] <nigel_nb> _marx_: from empathy huh?
[20:02] <_marx_> yes
[20:03] <_marx_> from lucid while recording
[20:03] <nigel_nb> oh cool
[20:03] <_marx_> I think i will need to use a fresh karmic install
[20:03] <nigel_nb> while recording, it would be nice to join #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat directly
[20:03] <_marx_> yes, that was just a test run
[20:03] <nigel_nb> so, it will be to the point, users will just need to follow it directly
[20:03] <nigel_nb> hows xvid?
[20:04] <_marx_> capture success ration 57.51%
[20:05] <_marx_> the video is usable though
[20:06] <nigel_nb> great
[20:06] <nigel_nb> so which means we are going the right way
[20:06]  * _marx_ needs the test run just to learn empathy ;)
[20:06] <nigel_nb> same here
[20:08]  * _marx_ testing emapathy only again w/two channels
[20:09] <nigel_nb> looks okay with two channels
[20:10]  * nigel_nb is creating new virtual machine with karmic
[20:13]  * _marx_ was hoping there was a ~/.empathy so I could just delete or move it for simulated fresh installation
[20:14] <_marx_> ah found it
[20:20]  * _marx_ will do same once lucid finishes upgrading
[20:20] <nigel_nb> you'll do empathy?
[20:21] <nigel_nb> I'll get the web done in that case
[20:21] <_marx_> fresh karmic install
[20:21] <nigel_nb> getting the fresh one
[20:25]  * _marx_ sound portion is bad, too much bg noise from 4 pc's running
[20:26] <nigel_nb> what are you recording on, audacity?
[20:26] <_marx_> yep
[20:28] <nigel_nb> oh, cool
[20:28] <nigel_nb> fresh install this time?
[20:28] <_marx_> it's almost ready
[20:30] <nigel_nb> mine's at 40% :(
[20:30] <_marx_> using a cd or hd image?
[20:30] <nigel_nb> cd
[20:30] <_marx_> I think it's a little faster from hd image
[20:30] <nigel_nb> i *cough* *cough* deleted my image or moved it someplace and I dont remember where
[20:31] <_marx_> oops
[20:31] <_marx_> hum wonder if vbox can boot over the network
[20:33] <nigel_nb> i think you need the non-free version
[20:34] <_marx_> that's what I'm using; the one from sun
[20:34] <nigel_nb> oh
[20:34] <nigel_nb> I'm using vbox from repos
[20:34] <_marx_> well you can add the sun repo
[20:36] <nigel_nb> so far, this one's okay
[20:36] <nigel_nb> I dont own a flash drive, so not much incentive getting the other one
[20:40] <_marx_> I found USB and network bridging better
[20:42] <_marx_> nigel_nb: you'll beat me to it: i have to start over using a different partition
[20:42] <nigel_nb> _marx_: what happened?
[20:43] <_marx_> default is to use /home which doesn't have enough room so i'll start over using /data
[20:43] <_marx_> second hd w/lots of space
[20:43] <nigel_nb> ah
[20:47] <nigel_nb> swoody: were you able to get around to doing the meeting stuff?
[20:48] <swoody> nigel_nb, indeed not :(
[20:48] <nigel_nb> I think I might get time to help
[20:48] <nigel_nb> I got 6 hours more today
[20:48] <swoody> not much free time with all the holiday crud (read: in-laws)
[20:48] <nigel_nb> after a few screencasts, I'll get around to doing them :)
[20:48] <swoody> nigel_nb, that would truly be great :)
[20:49] <swoody> if not, I'm still planning on tackling them when I get some time
[20:49] <nigel_nb> swoody: if u could review them later and make edits, it would be great :
[20:49] <nigel_nb> :)
[20:49] <swoody> nigel_nb, just use the few existing ones as examples, and I'm sure you'll catch on quick :)
[20:49] <swoody> but I'd be glad to look them over
[20:49] <nigel_nb> swoody: hopefully I will
[20:50] <nigel_nb> first order of buisness today is screencasts, then bzr module, then the meeting
[20:50] <swoody> sounds like you have quite the full plate ;)
[20:56] <nigel_nb> swoody: not really, marx is helping with screencasts (we're both doing them together), bzr module needs only 2 more sections, and meeting (that might take some time)
[21:26] <nigel_nb> _marx_: I'm at 100% :)
[21:27] <cprofitt> hey nigel_nb
[21:27] <nigel_nb> hey cprofitt :)
[21:28]  * _marx_ upgrading from alpha6 to final
[21:28] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: some of the loco guys fro nc wanted some help with irc
[21:28] <cprofitt> nice
[21:28] <cprofitt> get them involved
[21:28] <nigel_nb> getting around to doing screencasts on using pidgin/empathy/web chat
[21:28] <nigel_nb> its for the user days
[21:29] <cprofitt> sounds good...
[21:30] <nigel_nb> so we thought we'd do it and update the locos and any new announcements can have it too
[21:30] <nigel_nb> and classroom team can have it permanently
[22:43] <nigel_nb> pleia2: around?
[22:49] <FFEMTcJ> hey nigel_nb
[22:50] <nigel_nb> hey FFEMTcJ congrats on membership :)
[22:50] <FFEMTcJ> ty bud
[22:51] <nigel_nb> marx ran into some trouble with his loco people of the opinion that irc is too tough
[22:51] <FFEMTcJ> I saw that..
[22:51] <FFEMTcJ> Thought Lernid would work perfect
[22:51] <nigel_nb> lernid is still buggy
[22:51] <_marx_> well probably not for January
[22:51] <nigel_nb> we both are trying to get screencasts out
[22:53] <_marx_> nigel_nb: my fresh vbox is _finally finished upgrading, might have been faster to dl current, I just forgot my hd image was alpha6
[22:53] <nigel_nb> hehe
[22:53] <nigel_nb> mine is ready too
[22:53] <nigel_nb> but now I'm patching something :P
[22:54] <nigel_nb> I'll take at least 1.5 hours to get to screen casts
[22:54] <_marx_> no prob
[22:54] <_marx_> we'll get it done in plenty of time
[23:40] <nigel_nb> _marx_: I'm starting my pidgin screenshot :)
[23:47] <nigel_nb> akgraner: around?
[23:51] <_marx_> nigel_nb: do you have a usable empathy one
[23:51] <nigel_nb> _marx_: not yet
[23:51] <nigel_nb> do u want one?
[23:52] <nigel_nb> rather, do u want me to make one?
[23:52] <_marx_> i'm fixin' to try for one
[23:52] <nigel_nb> I thought u cud do empathy
[23:52] <_marx_> my install is all patched up now
[23:52] <nigel_nb> and I'll get the videos ready for pidgin and web, and you could do the narration
[23:52] <nigel_nb> I'm trying to get akgraner or pleia2 for a female voice in one of them
[23:53] <_marx_> akgraner: hasn't responded to some minor taunts in team channel
[23:54] <nigel_nb> anyone else we could rope in ?
[23:54] <nigel_nb> the loco channel u mean?
[23:54] <_marx_> for voice overs?
[23:54] <nigel_nb> yea
[23:54] <_marx_> yes loco channel
[23:55] <_marx_> might ask in ubuntu-women
[23:55] <nigel_nb> you want me to ask or you'll go ahead?
[23:57] <_marx_> wait a bit akgraner will bite JFo's bait
[23:58] <_marx_> looking at default install I didn't realize how much I change from default
[23:59] <nigel_nb> i asked in women