/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/08/#ubuntu-meeting.txt

dailystrugglegreg-g:I agree to help the people in need00:00
duanedesigndailystruggle: hello00:01
dailystruggleI am learning new .ogg embedding techniques00:01
elkydailystruggle, how have you integrated with the beginners team?00:01
duanedesigndailystruggle: screencasts!!00:01
dailystruggleduanedesign:hi00:01
nixternalanyone here to provide any testimonials for dailystruggle?00:02
dailystruggleelky:I am trying to start a new user experience team we had a meeting last saturday on it00:02
duanedesigndailystruggle:http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/00:02
elkydailystruggle, that's not what I asked.00:03
duanedesignoh wait pleia2 beat me too it00:03
* duanedesign didnt realize this was a meeting. sorry00:03
technovikingduanedesign: no harm no foul00:04
dailystruggleelky : no I have not its just forming and lots of work it sounds like I should00:04
elkydailystruggle, i think a lot of what you do can be integrated well with both the screencasts team and the beginners team. im perplexed as to why you're off reinventing the wheel for it all.00:05
dailystruggleelky it is my intention of integration as much as posible00:05
dailystruggleelky : not trying to reinvent the wheel just hoping to help the wheel roll00:06
elkydailystruggle, that's much easier when you embrace teamwork. it also helps to centralise things rather than scattering them all over the intarwebs which is not helpful to new users in any way, shape or form.00:07
pleia2[VOTE] dailystruggle for Membership00:07
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dailystruggleelky: I agree00:07
nixternaldailystruggle: some of the bug triage you ahve done is pretty good....do you have any aspirations of becoming a developer any time soon?00:07
nixternalerr00:08
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nixternallots of good bug work, should have made it more public here00:08
dailystrugglenixternal:only a hope00:08
pleia2I'd really like to see more integration with existing teams00:08
pleia2(as has been mentioned)00:08
elky+0 would like to see evidence of integration00:08
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greg-g+0 # I would prefer to see more work with existing teams instead of separate. When you do that, come back!00:09
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popeydailystruggle: I'd be interested in talking to you about the screencast team00:09
dailystrugglepopey: that sound great00:09
greg-gdailystruggle: popey is a great resource for screencasts :)00:09
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elkyi'm sure the beginners team would love to hear from you too00:10
pleia2dailystruggle: I'd suggest dropping a note to the beginners team too :)00:10
dailystruggleI have so much material its not funny00:10
popeydailystruggle: popey@ubuntu.com - drop me a mail00:10
dvz-dailystruggle: we'd love to have you around in the Beginner's Team00:10
itnet7dailystruggle: you have done a good job so far, look forward to seeing what you can do with the teams!!00:10
duanedesigndailystruggle: i am interested in screencasts as well00:10
tenachdailystruggle: #ubuntu-beginners00:10
dailystrugglepopey:thanks00:11
pleia2dailystruggle: great work so far, please come back to a for membership meeting in a couple months :)00:11
nixternalnext? we need to speed this process up...to much white space in time00:11
hollman_nixternal> next? we need to speed this process up...to much white space in time ---> +100:12
greg-gFFEMTcJ: please introduce yourself.00:12
FFEMTcJMy wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristopherJohnston00:12
FFEMTcJMy name is Chris Johnston. I'm from Florida. I am a FireFighter / Paramedic offline. I have been using Ubuntu for 3 years full time. I started out managing an Ubuntu server for my websites, and then very quickly began using it as a desktop.00:12
FFEMTcJI have been running my website (http://chrisjohnston.org) for a year writing Ubuntu tutorials for both server and desktop users. Recently I have gotten involed in the Florida LoCo. I am currently in the bug squad and beginners team mentorship programs, am a member of the Ubuntu Community Learning Project and currently working on planning the Ubuntu User Days, which will provide live courses (hopefully on a regular basis) to new and 00:12
nixternalFFEMTcJ: I got beat up by a Chris Jonston in 1987 here in Chicago...was that you?00:12
FFEMTcJI was 4.. You make the call00:12
mhall119maybe he's not much of a fighter00:12
* nixternal shuts his mouth before the rumor mill kicks in00:12
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FFEMTcJ;-)00:13
mhall119I'm here to support FFEMTcJ, he has been helping me get a family-oriented website up for the ubuntu-florida team and has been active and helpful in our LoCo00:14
FFEMTcJThanks mhall11900:14
nixternalFFEMTcJ: I recently saw on IRC you explaining what your nick meant....I swore it was for membership...so bare with me here...gotta look over your wiki page and lp really quick00:14
itnet7rofl00:14
nixternalahh, bug chan....I see you have been busy there00:15
mhall119nixternal: he was on the list last time, but time ran out00:15
FFEMTcJnixternal: seems like I explain it every other day.. so no idea when00:15
c0rtexPlease, *please* speed the process... we're all waiting.00:15
FFEMTcJMost common question: How do you pronounce FFEMTcJ00:15
nixternalFFEMTcJ: how long have you been bug triaging?00:15
c0rtexspeed up*00:15
FFEMTcJnixternal: about a month...00:16
nixternalreally? you have some good input in the reports00:16
itnet7FFEMTcJ: has been really getting involved with the team, I look forward to what he is going to do in the future00:16
nixternalseems you might have a knack for it00:16
FFEMTcJty00:16
FFEMTcJuh oh.. the boss is talking about me.. itnet7 :-P00:16
mhall119hey boredandblogging!00:16
nixternalOH!!!00:17
nixternalI remember the FFEMTcJ explanation...it was UDS over the intertubes when I was listening in00:17
FFEMTcJnixternal: that would be another place..00:17
FFEMTcJhehe00:17
technovikingFFEMTcJ: What are your plans during the Lucid cycle00:17
nixternalyou were explaining it to pleia2 iirc :P00:17
FFEMTcJLucid Plans: Start a local Ubuntu Hour (hoping the first one will be next Monday), Ubuntu User Days, Finish mentorship in BeginnersTeam and BugSquad.00:18
FFEMTcJnixternal: sounds about right00:18
pleia2yeah, FFEMTcJ did loads of remote participation at UDS00:18
nixternalgroovy00:18
FFEMTcJpleia2: couldnt talk the wife into letting me go :-(00:18
pleia2FFEMTcJ: how long have you been involved directly with projects in the Ubuntu community?00:18
FFEMTcJJoined the LoCo in Sept.. Started geting involved with projects in October...00:19
mhall119FFEMTcJ is also going to help me launch family.ubuntu-fl.org, I'll hold him to it00:19
cprofittFFEMTcJ -- I understand not being able to go to things...00:19
technovikingFFEMTcJ: excellent00:19
FFEMTcJForgot about that mhall119 ...00:19
mhall119I didn't00:19
FFEMTcJcprofitt: ;-)00:20
itnet7all of the things that FFEMTcJ has said he will start or do he has followed through00:20
mhall119his blog is also syndicated on planet.ubuntu-fl.org00:20
PendulumFFEMTcJ: does your wiki still mention that you participated remotely in UDS for Lucid?00:21
greg-gitnet7: thanks for that00:21
FFEMTcJPendulum: I guess not.. it says that I volunteered for UUD at UDS-L.. :-x00:22
pleia2[Vote] FFEMTcJ for Membership00:22
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technovikinggreat work00:22
FFEMTcJThanks technoviking00:22
greg-g+1 # plus I know itnet7 and mhall119 will keep you active in the loco :)00:23
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pleia2+1 keep up the great work00:23
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FFEMTcJgreg-g: I think thats a threat from them00:23
itnet7congratulations FFEMTcJ !! greg-g you know we will ;-P00:23
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czamFFEMTcJ congrats ;)00:23
mhall119congrats FFEMTcJ00:23
Michelle_Qimocongratulations, FFEMTcJ!!00:23
FFEMTcJThanks everyone00:23
Michelle_Qimo:-)00:23
technovikingCongrats00:23
pleia2welcome FFEMTcJ :)00:23
akgranerFFEMTcJ, Congrats!00:23
cprofittCongrats FFEMTcJ00:23
greg-gcongrats00:23
itnet7sorry elky thought it was in the bag00:23
govatentgo FFEMTcJ00:23
zoopsterwoohoo FFEMTcJ!00:24
nixternalcongrats and welcome FFEMTcJ \o//00:24
nixternaloops. 2 arms00:24
pleia2zoopster: you're up :)00:24
_marx_congrats FFEMTcJ00:24
zoopsterHi, I'm John Pugh, my wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/jpugh00:24
greg-goh no, zoopster00:24
nixternaluh oh, it's zoopster00:24
zoopsterOtherwise known as zoopster, a long time linux user, started with Slackware in the late '90s, closet Ubuntu user from 2007 until last year (worked for Novell), and now a official full time Ubuntu user since 8.04.00:24
cprofittzoopster: we have the same shirt :-00:24
zoopstergeez..that's a great start!00:25
nixternalhaha, closet ubuntu user :P00:25
zoopsterand it was FRIGID in that room that day, too00:25
nixternalI was a closet Kubuntu user while working at MS, so I know the feeling :)00:25
Michelle_Qimozoopster & I have worked together on some loco event organization, and I don't know if my opinion counts for diddly, but he's a great guy and a terrific asset to the community.00:26
mhall119zoopster pretty much got me started in the Florida LoCo through his Tampa meetups00:26
cprofittI am impressed reading the presentations you have given zoopster00:26
greg-gMichelle_Qimo: you're opinion is welcomed, thank you00:26
zoopsterthanks everyone for the kind words00:26
akgranerzoopster, has always been eager to help with community events (OSCON ubuntu booth and ALF UbuCon)00:26
technovikingzoopster: my legs are still sore from walking around Barcelona:)00:26
zoopsterI like to present so advocacy is what I enjoy...00:27
zoopsterwe did some walking around Barcelona...that's for sure.00:27
cprofittzoopster: so same shirt, you like to present,... are you a Buccaneers fan like I am too?00:27
greg-gzoopster: so, you like giving presentations I see, do you have any future plans for presenting at conferences/etc?00:27
zoopstercprofitt: uh...I'll plead the fifth on that one00:27
boredandbloggingzoopster knew all the good places in Barcelona00:27
zoopstergreg-g: yes...at Lotusphere in Jan and I have presentations lined up at a few cloud conferences in the spring00:28
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pleia2[VOTE] zoopster for Membership00:29
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greg-g+1 # great resource to the community, thanks for your work00:29
technovikinggreat body of work00:29
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nixternalcongrats and welcome zoopster \o/00:29
Michelle_Qimocongratulations, zoopster!00:29
pleia2congrats zoopster :)00:29
govatentHURRAY FOR zoopster!00:29
zoopsterawesome! thanks everyone!!!00:29
greg-gcongrats zoopster00:29
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akgranercongrats zoopster !!!00:29
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swoodyCongrats zoopster :)00:30
technovikingcongrats zoopster00:30
nixternalIngForigua: your turn00:30
IngForiguahello everyone00:30
IngForiguaHello my name is Diego Armando Forigua (IngForigua), I am electronic engineer, I'm using Linux since 2004, I have used distros like openSUSE, mandriva, redhat, debian, gentoo, archlinux, etc. I'm member of the council of ubuntu Colombia where I lead several projects https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-co-council, I support events, help translating to Spanish, support via IRC, mailing lists and Launchpad. This is my wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ingforigu00:30
IngForiguaIn Ubuntu Colombia Council, I want to spread Ubuntu throughout Colombia and Latin America, I hope that our local team involved more actively writing translating documentation, open week in UGJ00:31
IngForiguavisit the wiki of the council, the main mission is to spread the 4 subprojects, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-co-proyectos00:31
IngForiguaUbuntu Colombia and National University, started the repository server, http://matematicas.unal.edu.co/ubuntu/dists/00:31
IngForiguaUbuntu Colombia and National University, started the repository server, http://matematicas.unal.edu.co/ubuntu/dists/ and more events00:31
IngForiguasoory00:31
greg-gnp00:32
nixternalhehe00:32
IngForiguaMy plans for ubuntu 10.04 are: Spanish translations. bug reports, promotion in  Flisol 2010 http://www.flisol.info/ and more events00:32
technovikingIngForigua: excellent00:32
greg-gIngForigua: looks like a great plan00:32
nixternalalready working on translations i see...that's awesome00:32
hollman_Hello I'm Hollman Enciso, the Ubuntu-co leader, and I really support IngForigua , hes and excellent support in the council, mailing list and IRC00:33
czamingforigua is the most active member of the council ubuntu-co, helping at events and in support.00:33
hollman_ohh and a great support in Answers - Launchpad00:33
c0rtexYes, I agree with hollman_00:33
nixternalhollman_ and czam, thanks!00:33
nixternaland c0rtex :)00:33
greg-gIngForigua: Do you have any ideas for improvements to any teams you are a part of?00:34
c0rtexIngForigua really deserves being a member00:34
greg-gthanks, hollman_ , czam00:34
nixternalooh, arduino fan I see00:34
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IngForiguaI have many ideas to organize monthly meetings with each of the teams lainoamerica00:35
IngForiguagive workshops00:35
IngForiguagive support00:35
greg-ggood deal00:35
pleia2[VOTE] IngForigua for Membership00:35
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IngForiguaarduino is a openhardware very very good00:36
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greg-g+1 # keep of the great work, IngForigua00:36
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czamCongrats IngForigua :)00:36
pleia2congrats and welcome IngForigua :)00:36
mhall119congrats00:36
IngForiguathanks :)00:36
Michelle_Qimocongrats, IngForigua00:36
greg-gcongrats IngForigua00:36
nixternalcongrats and welcome IngForigua \o/00:36
czamFelicitaciones :D00:36
dvz-grats IngForigua !00:36
akgranerIngForigua,  Congrats!!! \O/00:36
hollman_IngForigua, Felicitaciones sinceras de mi parte  !!!!00:36
IngForiguagracias amigos00:36
IngForigua:)00:37
c0rtexfelicitaciones IngForigua, me alegra mucho parce!00:37
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pleia2robbiew: you're up :)00:37
hollman_now, czam I hope you also approve :D00:37
nixternalrobbiew -1 :p00:37
robbiewheh00:37
robbiewhi all00:37
robbiewMy name is Robbie Williamson (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobbieWilliamson)00:37
nixternalI can do that on IRC, as I think he is the only person in the community bigger than I :)00:37
robbiewI've been using Ubuntu for over 5 years00:38
robbiewfirst when I worked for the Linux Technology Center within IBM00:38
nixternalrobbiew: what made you decide to finally go for membership as you have been around for a while now?00:38
robbiewjono busted my chops00:38
robbiewlol00:38
nixternalhaha00:38
pleia2hehe00:38
akgranerhaha00:39
greg-grobbiew: I assume I can find the answer to my "what are some specific improvements you would like to see" by just looking at your subscribed/assigned blueprints, eh? :)00:39
robbiew;)00:39
robbiewthat and then some00:39
robbiewI just kept putting it off, tbh00:39
robbiewyou know...I'll get to that....but first let me check on boot00:39
greg-ghah00:40
robbiewI did manage to get my little cups-bjnp project off the ground00:40
robbiewso I can print to my Canon network printer00:40
robbiewstupid proprietary network printing protocol00:40
nixternalhehe00:40
robbiewwhen I'm not working like a slave for canonical00:40
pleia2[VOTE] robbiew for Membership00:41
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robbiewI've been trying to help get the Texas Loco off the floor00:41
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greg-g+1 # great work00:41
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nixternalcongrats and welcome robbiew \o/00:41
pleia2congrats robbiew :)00:41
robbiew:*)00:41
akgranerCongrats robbiew !!00:41
nixternalhaha00:41
Michelle_Qimocongrats robbiew00:42
robbiewyou like me....you really like me!00:42
dvz-grats robbiew !00:42
robbiewthanks all00:42
czamcongrats :D00:42
nixternalrickspencer3: your turn00:42
* robbiew returns to cracking to whip on this 10sec boot time00:42
pleia2woohoo00:42
nixternalgo go go00:42
rickspencer3hehe00:42
rickspencer3hi guys00:42
rickspencer3I am Rick Spencer00:42
technovikingI bet we can do this Quickly00:43
rickspencer3here's my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RickSpencer00:43
rickspencer3I've been using Ubuntu since Warty, and I've been the engineering manager for the desktop team since Jaunty00:43
nixternalwell, let me just say... rickspencer3 is my Canonical hero... he is working really hard with getting us all (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) to love one another and work together....plus he is one of the key people of getting the Kubuntu Netbook Remix off the ground00:43
nixternaltechnoviking: har har00:43
* mhall119 wonders if nixternal can lose his membership over puns like that00:44
greg-gtechnoviking: nice :)00:44
rickspencer3well, I won't take credit for Kubunt Netbook00:44
rickspencer3but am happy to have been part of that00:44
nixternalwell you allowed a couple of us to concentrate on development without having to waste resources looking for other stuff :)00:44
rickspencer3hehe00:44
akgranerrickspencer3, is awesome - he even puts up with my where's my (insert animal here) on the wallpaper each cycle....00:45
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robbiewlol00:45
jonowe all love rickspencer3 :)00:45
nixternalrickspencer3: and we even have upstream working hand-in-hand with us :)  you can't beat that00:45
jonoand robbiew00:45
rickspencer3lol00:45
jonobut not pgraner00:45
rickspencer3jono, you liar00:45
jono:P00:45
robbiewha!00:45
pleia2hah00:45
jonoI love pgraner :)00:45
macohhaha00:45
akgranerjono, glad you do!00:45
rickspencer3well, my community contributions include Quickly, of course00:45
rickspencer3I'00:45
rickspencer3ve also been working on a project called bughugger00:45
nixternalwhat is Quickly? never heard of it :p00:46
pleia2[VOTE] rickspencer3 for Membership00:46
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greg-g+1 # awesome work, especially the community interaction00:46
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dvz-wow...the meeting just warped into lightspeed, captain.00:46
rickspencer3hehe00:46
czamcongrats :D00:46
rickspencer3gone to plaid00:46
nixternalcongrats and welcome rickspencer3 \o/00:46
robbiewspaceballs humor00:47
akgranerCongrats rickspencer3 \o/ that went quickly....00:47
rickspencer3chouette!00:47
mhall119congrats rickspencer300:47
Michelle_Qimocongrats rickspencer300:47
jonocongrats :)00:47
rickspencer3thanks all00:47
macocongrats00:47
rickspencer3just in time too00:47
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* rickspencer3 needs to take care of kids00:47
nixternalhaha00:47
hollman_czam, come on .. our big member (ubuntu-co ) :D00:47
robbiewditto00:47
jonorobbiew, sorry wasnt looking, sir00:47
ScottKHere I am, just too late.00:47
robbiewuh huh00:47
greg-gone second please, we are still wating on one vote00:47
nixternalczam: seriously, Carlos Zambrano is my favorite baseball pither! GO CUBS!!! :)00:48
pleia2fols, just a reminder - voting is for americas board only (we keep having a private vote not from a member of the board)00:48
pleia2folks too00:48
* robbiew has to run...thanks all00:48
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nixternalthanks robbiew_ !00:48
rickspencer3bye robbiew_00:49
akgranerbye robbiew_00:49
ScottKcongrats rickspencer300:49
rickspencer3thanks ScottK00:49
akgranerjono better say bye to him... just sayin'00:49
jonoby robbiew_00:49
jono:)00:49
rickspencer3is voting over?00:49
rickspencer3I only see that were 5 more me :/00:49
pleia2waiting on one more00:49
nixternalfor you it is you silly ubuntu member you :p00:49
nixternaloh, someone fell off the face of the earth it seems00:50
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nixternalboredandbloggi-1: just do a +100:50
pleia2hehe00:50
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pleia2czam: you're up!00:51
greg-galright, officially congrats, rickspencer300:51
greg-g:)00:51
czamHi Everyone  :D   this is my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/czam00:51
czamMy name is Carlos Andres Zambrano, mi nickname is czam, I'm a GNU/Linux User since 2004, I've tested Ututo, Mandriva and Debian, but Since 2007 I've used Ubuntu, I love Ubuntu :)00:51
czamI'm very active in the Colombian Loco Team https://launchpad.net/~carlos.zambrano00:51
czamI've spend a lot of time in IRC channel (#ubuntu-co #ubuntu-uy and #ubuntu-es), giving support and teaching others00:51
czamI've participated in many translations in launchpad and in guides, also support in answers from spanish and english.00:52
hollmanI'm very active in the Colombian Loco Team ----> absolutely +1 to czam00:52
czamI am participating in a project called zoociedad for a free wireless network to help the community, for the services is being used Ubuntu server.00:52
czamCurrently I'm working as a Network Administrator, Moving the company to Ubuntu 8.04LTS ;) ,00:52
czamMy future plans: I would like to integrate more teams to Latin America, to grow the Ubuntu community00:53
* nixternal wonders if the goals of south america include "making every citizen an ubuntu member"00:53
czamContinue contributing with Ubuntu, become in an oficial translator into spanish and in bug report. organize local events and integrate into the community00:53
czamand y would like to help local schools to implement edubuntu with LSTP00:54
mhall119nixternal: should be the goal of every continent, no?00:54
* itnet7 itnet7 thinks SA is on their way!!00:54
nixternalgood point, but south america is actually doing it I think :)00:54
IngForiguaczam is my best friend, works for ubuntu rather, his translations and his answers are best, he is perfect candidate00:54
mhall119nixternal: Florida is doing it's part tonight00:54
nixternalwoohoo!00:54
pleia2czam: how long have you been working in the ubuntu community?00:56
czampleia2, I've been working since 2007 when I started with feisty00:56
pleia2great :)00:57
hollmanczam is currently a great member of our community, with ingforigua have been in much of our events and have been the protagonists ... excellent speakers etc ...00:57
pleia2[VOTE] czam for Membership00:57
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greg-ggreat list of contributions, czam00:57
pleia2great work czam, great wiki page, great testimonials!00:57
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nixternalsorry00:58
nixternalhad to let the dog out00:58
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nixternalcongrats and welcome czam \o/00:59
pleia2congrats czam :)00:59
greg-gcongrats czam!00:59
* czam feels so happy :D00:59
pleia2Michelle_Qimo: you're up!00:59
MagicFabBravo czam :) glad you made it00:59
dvz-grats czam !00:59
Michelle_QimoHi everyone!  I'm Michelle, my wiki is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Michelle_Qimo_4_Kids00:59
kuadrosxfelicitaciones czam00:59
hollmanczam good job Ubuntu-co rocks !!!!00:59
itnet7good job czam congrats!!00:59
* MagicFab serves Aguardiente del Valle :D00:59
czamMagicFab, hollman, kuadrosx, inet7, dvz-, gracias :D00:59
akgranerczam,  congrats!!!00:59
hollmanahora si me voy a celebrar por czam e IngForigua  ...01:00
IngForiguaExclente01:00
IngForiguaviva colombia01:00
Michelle_QimoThanks for having me, everyone.  I'm Michelle, and mhall119 and I run Qimo & our local charity, QuinnCo.01:01
govatentI would like to say that Michelle_Qimo does a great job in our loco and the project she works on.01:01
govatentprojects*01:01
itnet7Michelle_Qimo has been instrumental in organizing and leading build days for various people in need, where she provides the Machines, Monitors, and Mice to them through Quinnco01:01
FFEMTcJMichelle_Qimo might as well be the Florida LoCo Team mom.. She hosted 57 of us at her house for our Karmic Release/Team Birthday party, as well as being very active on IRC.01:02
nixternal57 in a house for a party? holy smokes01:02
govatentI second FFEMTcJ01:02
greg-gwow, 57 people for a party? you rock01:02
Michelle_Qimoyep, 57 of us01:02
zoopsterMichelle_Qimo cracks the whip in the FL Loco - she rocks and makes a mean lasagna01:02
Michelle_Qimomostly families, it was amazing01:02
mhall119nixternal: mostly in the back yard, thankfully the weather cooperated01:02
greg-gI would be completely overwhelmed01:02
govatentyup. we had lots of ubuntu stuff going on. it was fun01:02
FFEMTcJYa'll should have seen all the cookies!01:02
akgranerMichelle_Qimo, rocks!!01:02
Michelle_QimoThe team is amazing, and I'm blessed to call them my friends.01:03
dvz-can we have her make each loco a batch of Ubuntu Logo Shaped cookies?01:03
govatentand yes, she makes great cookies01:03
dvz-:-P01:03
Michelle_Qimodvz-: come to a party, I'll make you a cookie01:03
macodvz-: is called the Circle of Friends01:03
nixternal"My dreams and aspirations are to encourage more families to become involved with the Loco as a whole."   <- I think that is an awesome goal01:03
zoopsterdvz-: watch out..she will do it.01:03
mhall119nixternal: of the 57 people, only 22 were techies, Michelle_Qimo got the rest of their families involved01:03
govatentshe does a great job reaching that goal i would say.01:03
dvz-maco: i know, i had visions of a cookie cutter..o.O01:03
crashsystemsMichelle_Qimo is an awesome part of the Florida loco team. She brings a set of skills to the group that are very much needed (organization, english-fu, just to name a few).01:03
macoMichelle_Qimo: pssst tell them what you told us today in #ubuntu-women01:03
Michelle_Qimomaco - which/01:03
nixternalgreat testimonials, great contributions, great set of future goals01:03
Michelle_Qimo?01:03
macoMichelle_Qimo: about all the machines you were delivering today01:04
greg-gwow, these are great testimonials, Michelle_Qimo. Both on your wiki and here tonight.01:04
Michelle_QimoAah!  Just took delivery of 50 new computers01:04
macodvz-: i would *love* a CoF cookie cutter01:04
Michelle_Qimogoing to seniors in high school, going to college with a new computer01:04
nixternalooh, that would be cool maco01:04
mhall119with Ubuntu on them01:04
pleia2[VOTE] Michelle_Qimo for Membership01:04
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pleia2now I want cookies01:05
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Michelle_Qimopleia2: I'll make you a cookie, too01:05
dvz-definitely!01:05
pleia2:)01:05
pleia2Michelle_Qimo: yay!01:05
IdleOne!cookie | pleia201:05
ubottupleia2: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!01:05
mhall119pleia2: I'm sure there will be cookies at the women's get together yall are planning01:05
itnet7lol pleia2 ! Don't say that she will make you a care package !!01:05
pleia2itnet7: hehe01:05
Michelle_QimoI will!01:06
akgranerpleia2, I want cookies now too....:-/01:06
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govatentCONGRATS COOKIES LADY!!!!!! ( Michelle_Qimo )01:06
FFEMTcJFlordia LoCo representing tonight! 3 new members!01:06
pleia2congrats and welcome Michelle_Qimo :)01:06
nixternaloops, I didn't see you kick off the votes01:06
mhall119yay Michelle_Qimo!01:06
Michelle_QimoThanks guys!01:06
nixternalI was looking at Ubuntu Cookies :)01:06
pleia2hehe01:06
nixternalcongrats and welcome Michelle_Qimo \o/01:06
FFEMTcJlol nixternal01:06
dvz-grats Michelle_Qimo !01:06
* MagicFab hugs Michelle_Qimo 01:06
cprofittcongrats Michelle_Qimo01:06
boredandbloggingMichelle_Qimo: keep up the great work!01:06
itnet7Congratulations!!!!01:06
* maco hugs Michelle_Qimo01:06
nixternalholy smokes...I made Tuna Casserole and it smells so good..it is calling my name...one more to go!01:06
akgranerMichelle_Qimo, congrats.....01:06
Michelle_Qimo*squee!*01:06
greg-gcongrats Michelle_Qimo01:06
dvz-tuna casserole?!  *drools*01:07
dvz-can i have some?01:07
dvz-:-D01:07
pleia2dvz-: you're up :)01:07
dvz-I'm digitalvectorz (dvz-). Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/digitalvectorz01:07
FFEMTcJdvz-: your supposed to bribe them, not them bribe you01:07
dvz-I'm a recent college grad with a b.s. in math and programming.  I've programming on and off since around 12 y/o and have been using linux since sophomore year in college - 2007.01:07
dvz-I've been a full-time ubuntu since 8.04.  I'm an active part of the Beginner's Team and the Development focus group, as well as a member of the Ohio LoCo/NE Ohio ReLoCo.01:07
dvz-Plans during the 10.04 - Breaking it. (debugging, triaging within my abilities, bug jam)01:07
dvz-Currently in the process of setting up the 10.04 global bug jam event with the NEOhio Reloco at my alma mater, exposing the ACM club and those on the west side of Cleveland to ubuntu/linux.01:07
greg-guh oh, Ohio? I'm not sure if I can vote for you, I work at the U of Michigan ;)01:08
dvz-greg-g: I don't go to OSU :-P01:08
greg-gahh, good deal then01:08
itnet7lol greg-g01:09
dvz-;-)01:09
nixternalGO BLUE!01:09
nixternaloops, didn't mean to say that out loud01:09
dvz-but greg-g , in the ubuntu community, we're all family :D01:09
greg-gso, you have a solid programming background, any thoughts on MOTU participation?01:10
greg-gdvz-: that is very very true :)01:10
* nixternal has fond memories of OLF last year where a guy screamed GO BLUE! at OSU for a Pumpkin donut01:10
pleia2nixternal will do anything for a donut01:10
pleia2oh, some guy :)01:10
dvz-greg-g: I'd like to get myself to the point of getting involved with MOTU...at this point, I'm still breaking the internals of linux ...but eventually, that's a short term goal01:10
nixternalpleia2: ya, but that still holds true for me though :)01:11
nixternaldvz-: since you are a hacker, you could always help with upstream code too :)01:11
* nixternal notes to anyone listening/watching - you do not need to know how to code in order to do packaging01:12
pleia2dvz-: what events have you participated in with the ohio team?01:12
dvz-nixternal: i'm always interested in learning about whatever code necessary, whether it be hacking at it, trying to break for security, or just developing...it's all an art and an interest01:12
nixternalawesome!01:12
dvz-pleia2: october, paultag introduced the reloco idea, which made it more feasable for me to actually participate with the loco, and after that we had the bugjam for karmic at paul's uni01:13
nixternalgroovy testimonials01:13
itnet7you have done some really good work so far dvz- !01:13
dvz-i attended that, and then attended an ubuntu hour we had here about a month ago?01:13
dvz-thanks itnet7 :-)01:13
technovikingI must go, sorry, but +1 from me01:15
dvz-thanks technoviking01:15
greg-gI may have missed this, but how long have you been directly participating with Ubuntu community teams?01:15
nixternalvote!01:15
nixternalgreg-g: I see over a year in various areas01:15
greg-gcool01:15
Renard_D-ArgentI am here to support dvz-.  He does a wonderful job with ubuntu beginners team. He is a true asset to the team01:15
dvz-greg-g: i stumbled in the beginners team dev around may 0801:16
technovikingnight all01:16
itnet7gnight technoviking01:16
nixternaldoh...browser just crashed01:16
nixternalg'nite technoviking01:16
pleia2[VOTE] dvz- for Membership01:16
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nixternalboredandblogging: ?01:16
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nixternalcongrats and welcome dvz- \o/01:17
pleia2congrats and welcome dvz- :)01:17
dvz-thanks everyone :-)01:17
nixternalheh01:17
Michelle_Qimocongrats dvz-!01:17
akgranerdvz-, congrats!!  :-)01:17
itnet7congratulations dvz- !!!01:17
greg-gcongrats dvz-01:17
IknowEverything!ops01:17
ubottuHelp! Seveas, Hobbsee, LjL, ompaulafk, Keybuk, mdz, sabdfl, janimo, ogra, mdke, dholbach, or jono01:17
Toluxerocongratz dvz-01:17
nixternalIknowEverything: why?01:17
greg-gwhy did you do that IknowEverything, we are in a meeting right now01:18
dvz-dank Michelle_Qimo akgraner itnet7 greg-g pleia2 nixternal Renard_D-Argent  Toluxero  :-)01:18
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pleia2thanks everyone :)01:18
Michelle_QimoThanks again, everyone.01:18
nixternalstupid channel settings..I no longer have ops in here01:18
greg-gthanks to everyone who came out tonight!01:18
nixternalyes, thanks everyone!!!01:18
nixternalcongrats to all of the new members!01:18
IknowEverythingi am the mighty cytotoxic t cell01:18
itnet7thanks to all of you for hanging in and finishing up the list!!01:18
* nixternal goes and eats...I will catch up in a bit01:18
Toluxeronixternal, thx01:18
* mhall119 reading akgraner's tweets, nixternal really should be careful what he says around her01:19
nixternalya, I know... I was told she is the female version of me, so her day will come!01:19
akgranermuahahaha.....01:20
itnet7lol01:20
Michelle_Qimolol01:20
greg-gtake care everyone, thanks again01:21
Renard_D-ArgentTime I left also.   Bye.  Congratulations to all =]01:22
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elkyi was wondering myself09:59
persiafreeflying: Next meeting is Asia/Oceania RMB in about 1 minute.09:59
amachuhi10:00
freeflyingpersia: sigh, got a appointment conflict, sorry about it10:00
persiaRationale for the bot having a disabled schedule is that it couldn't handle the way google calendar does repeated meetings, and the scheduling widget in the version of the CMS on the fridge was sufficiently painful to use that it didn't scale.10:00
persiafreeflying: Such is life sometimes.10:00
freeflyingpersia: will talk to you later, sorry again :)10:01
amachupersia, elky Hi10:01
amachulifeless, ziroday: Hello10:02
elkyamachu, lifeless requires a colon after his nick if you want the ping to work10:02
elkylifeless: pingading?10:02
elkylets see that we have our candidates before we get too persistant10:03
amachuthemuso, zakame, belutz aren't here today10:04
lifelesshi10:04
amachuhumphreybc ?10:05
elkyhe's not in the channel10:07
elkythe nick isnt' registered either10:07
persiaLet's wait until 10 past before giving up though.10:08
amachuelky, yes.10:08
elkyhe's not in the -nz channel either10:08
amachuziroday: pingggg..10:08
zirodayziroday: pong!10:09
amachuso your first presence with all of us together..10:09
amachuisn't it?10:09
zirodayamachu: but I have a feeling you've got the wrong person :)10:09
elkyamachu, you're thinking freeflying?10:09
amachuelky, yep10:10
amachuzed up little10:10
elkymind you, I think ziroday would be a perfect victi^Wcandidate for our board.10:11
amachufreeflying, hey10:11
zirodayelky: hehe10:11
persiaOn an unrelated note, what do others think about dropping indus from the candidate list?10:11
elkypersia, i agree.10:11
amachuya thats fair10:11
persiaPerhaps with a "three months without an appearance" as a rationale?10:11
zirodayI believe he is in #ubuntu right now10:12
elkypersia, he's been trying at all the RMBs anyway i believe10:12
ziroday(if this is the same indus)10:12
elkyziroday, yes, it is.10:12
persiaziroday: likely the same person, but it's been three months, so I'd want to see some preparation and anticipation, or a renewed request, rather than pulling someone out of other stuff and then asking questions like "where have you been all this time".10:12
zirodaypersia: of course, I can completely understand your point of view10:13
persia(or "Do you have anyone to support you?"..."Not today: I forgot it was happening now")10:13
elkypersia, agreed.10:14
persiaamachu: How do you feel about that?10:14
elkyin the absence of candidates (and yes, even quorum), may we discuss our board's continued world domination^W^Wexpansion?10:15
persiaI'm up for that.10:15
persia(but I don't want to try to dominate too much: we already have *plenty* of timezones)10:15
popeyhave you all seen the mail about merging the RMB mailing lists?10:16
popeynot everyone has replied10:16
elkypopey, i didn't no. i like the idea though.10:16
* persia is very bad about mail, and puts hunting for that on the list for real-soon-now10:16
popeythanks elky10:16
amachupersia, I agree10:16
popeynobody has voiced a negative opinion / stance on it yet10:16
elkypopey, it's hard to keep up on the current practices when we never talk to each other10:17
popeyexactly10:17
elkyor, when talking to each other is more difficult than it needs be10:17
amachupopey, yes. I need to reply. Have opinions about it10:17
persiaAside from keeping up, it would help build consistency, and maybe avoid some of the candidates who apply to a selection of boards, etc.10:17
elkypersia, well the keeping up problem is half of the consistency problem :P10:18
persiaelky: Put that way, I agree.  I had previously assigned a different semantic value to "keeping up".10:18
lifelessETMI10:19
elkyi believe it'd also assist with staffing issues too. if we could know when boards are short staffed (like the americas was this morning, and this here board is now) then we can help each other out10:19
elkylifeless: i am not familiar with this acronym.10:19
lifelesselky: ERROR: Too Much Information10:19
elkyhaha10:19
popeysorry, didn't mean to derail your meeting/discussion, just wanted to remind everyone :)10:20
elkypopey, tis fine. purposeful discussion is better than the alternative.10:20
persiapopey: rather thanks for mentioning it.  Until something happens otherwise, in-meeting discussion is a lovely forum for interboard discussion.10:21
lifelesspopey: meeting?10:21
lifeless:P10:21
popeyi gave you two options, choose the other one :)10:21
lifelessI think we need a candidate for that10:21
* lifeless returns to blowing things up; sms me if someone magically appears10:21
persiaAnyway, on the domination topic: did I miss a submitted nomination that needs comment?10:21
elkymkay10:22
popeythere's someone on the emea list who seems keen to be approved (Menza) have asked him if he's around and can attend your meeting if that's okay10:22
popeyor are you not quorate?10:23
elkypersia, nope. i propose that i will later this evening nominate someone though.10:23
persiapopey: We're not entirely quorate, but we have no formal business before us today.10:23
popeyok10:23
elkypopey, i could sms lifeless: but you could also make up the quorate if you want :P10:24
elkysince i found out this morning that it is permitted to do so10:24
popeytrue :)10:24
popeymenza doesn't seem to be around right now, so never mind, we (EMEA) have a meeting next week, he can wait till then10:25
persiaelky: I think you should.  My memory is that we'd like to have 7-9 regularly active members on the board, and that the procedure we're using is that we accept nominations (to the ML) from any source, privately research, discuss with the candidate, etc., and then vote in a meeting to recommend the person be added to the team to the CC if we like them.10:25
popeythats what we're about to do for the EMEA board where we are a person down10:26
elkyactually, i have 2 candidates in mind, so i shall commence scribing some nominations10:26
* persia likes the idea of more nominations10:26
amachupersia: elky: zakame & belutz seldom turns out10:28
amachushould we do something about that?10:28
persiaamachu: True, but I'm not sure we have a procedure for dropping members.10:28
* elky looks to popey10:29
amachupersia, I fear we do not..10:29
persiaFurther, I'm not sure we really want one until we reach the point where the board is full enough that we have a nomination that would be a good replacement for one of the inactive folk, rather than being a nomination for an additional member.10:29
popeyhmm, not sure about how you drop members10:29
amachupersia, but their presence or absence decide the quorum10:29
popeycontact them and ask them to step down gracefully?10:30
persiaOK.  Let's set up a procedure.  Here's a first pass:10:30
persiaIf a board member believes that another board member is insufficiently active, they may send an email to the possibly inactive board member (copying the RMB ML) asking if they wish to continue to be on the board, and whether they expect to be attending meetings in the future.10:31
elkypopey, is there an RMB procedures document anywhere?10:31
amachupopey, can be done..10:31
persiaOnce consensus is reached on the mailing list, a request may or may not be forwarded to the CC to make any potentially necessary adjustments.10:32
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards is all I know of10:32
persiaDoes that make sense to everyone?10:32
popeythat sounds reasonable, yes10:32
amachupersia, yes10:33
amachupersia, i remember we infact did that once, reminding them..10:33
persiaamachu: We did remind them, but we didn't have any explicit consequences of a lack of response, etc.10:34
amachupersia, i understand10:34
persiaI like elky's idea of documenting some standard procedures for things like adding members, removing members, etc.  That gives us some justification for actions, rather than leaving us liable to accusations of unfair behaviour.10:35
elkypopey, do you mind carrying this to the CC? i think it's an important followup to the recent membership guideline revisit10:35
lifelessso10:36
lifelessI think some of this is unneeded10:36
lifelessSee the CoC 1.110:36
lifelesswhich talks about leadership / graceful step downs etc10:36
lifelessor is it a specific leadership CoC, I don't recall precisely.10:37
elkythere does exist a leadership coc if that's what you're asking10:37
popeyis there anything that needs carrying to the cc right now?10:38
elkybut i believe it specifies what should happen, not necessarily the process by which it should happen if it is not followed (intentionally or not)10:38
persiaI don't see anything in either the CoC or the LCoC that provides for handling cases where someone isn't stepping down gracefully.10:39
amachukeep discussing, will follow up from the log.. i have few minutes of work off-line..10:39
popeyinitially you guys need to figure out who is/isnt going to be/continue to be on your team, which is entirely internal to you for now10:39
popeypersia: we (cc and loco council) have dealt with that before10:39
lifelesspersia: it makes it clear whats expected, and as in any case when someone isn't doing what is expected, that should be discussed and rectified one way or another10:40
popeyi would say first steps is you contact them, if they refuse to step down you discuss their terms for continuing to work on the team, and if things get messy, contact the cc10:40
persiapopey: So should cases where people are protractedly absent without notice be brought to the CC as LCoC violations?10:40
lifelesspersia: I don't think detailed processes help with doing it well10:40
popeypersia: not initially, no. I'd say first steps is attempt to deal with it internally10:40
lifelesspersia: talk to them and if they don't ack & rectify (e.g. by standing down or showing up), then yes.10:40
popeylifeless: +110:41
persialifeless: I agree, I just find that documented processes help avoid a perception of persecution.10:41
lifelesshell, I miss nearly 40% or so of meetings... and then show up for ones on the off tuesdays :P10:41
popeyfeel free to cc the cc in your mail to keep us in the loop though10:41
lifelesspersia: My experience with documented processes is that they can easily become 'weapons' used to persecute...10:41
persialifeless: But you always apologise for it, and typically respond to SMS if we need you for quorum.10:42
lifelesspersia: avoiding perception is done best by being transparent and open10:42
persialifeless: Well, it's perfectly possible to persecute someone transparently and openly, if one wishes, although that strays from the topic.10:43
lifeless:)10:43
lifelesspersia: thats true, but at least then perception == reality.10:43
persiatrue10:44
persiaAnyway, back to the matter at hand: if anyone has nominations for members, send them in.10:45
persiaAnyone want to volunteer to send queries to our typically absent members seeing if they want to remain on the board?10:45
elkypersia, ok10:47
* persia has lost context, and fails to understand "ok"10:49
elkypersia, i will email the absentees10:54
elkyi have also just mailed the nominations10:54
persiaelky: Cool.  Thanks!10:54
lifelessgnight11:40
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* asac o/12:59
persia#startmeeting13:01
MootBotMeeting started at 07:00. The chair is persia.13:01
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* JamieBennett is here13:01
persia[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/2009120813:01
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/2009120813:01
dyfetis here13:01
ogramooop13:01
davidmhello13:02
* GrueMaster is almost awake13:02
persia[TOPIC] Activity Reporting13:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Activity Reporting13:02
persiaWho owns this one?13:02
asacJamieBennett: StevenK: prod13:02
asacme13:02
ograpersia, whats that ?13:02
JamieBennettasac: read above (I'm here)13:02
asacoh13:03
asac;)13:03
persiaasac: Go ahead.13:03
asacso ....13:03
asaci would like to propose to align our activity reporting to the public meeting13:03
ograargh13:03
ograwe had that13:03
asacalso to stop JamieBennett and others to hunt down folks inifinitely13:03
ograand the meeting went on for hours13:04
asaci would propose to publish meeting minutes together13:04
asacwith the activity reports13:04
asacso basically: on monday, send out meeting reminder and to send acitvity reports (or put them directly top the meeting page)13:04
persiaI'd be happy to go back to that.  It looks like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/TeamReport hasn't been updated since April.13:04
asacand on tuesday after meeting send out report ... if folks miss the deadline13:04
asacthey just get a note: didnt submit a report13:04
asacogra: doesnt mean that we discuss all the ARs in meeting13:05
asacjust that we put them on the same wiki page and then send them to lists together with meeting minute13:05
ograwhat i would really like to keep is the reporting period from mon to fri ... if we dont discuss every single AR here thats fine13:05
asacin any case ...we definitly need a hard deadline13:05
ograwe have that13:05
asacogra: well. its not really fair to let folks ping you etc.13:05
ogramonday latest atm13:05
ograasac, it didnt work without13:06
ograthats why we started it13:06
asacyes. but splitting stuff up means we have two reporting mails etc. feels suboptimal13:06
ograsplitting ?13:06
asacyes. we have meeting -> report minutes13:06
davidmAR's and this meeting13:06
ograyou mean AR vs minutes ?13:06
asacwe have activity reports -> send another report13:06
ograah13:06
persiaReporting and minutes serve different purposes.13:06
asacits just another administrative act on top13:06
ograyes, i agree here13:06
ograbut we have a deadline (that actually matches fine with the meeting)13:07
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ograall i want to keep is the reporting period for ARs13:07
asacif its really a problem we can keep reporting from monday-friday13:07
ogramon-fri ... sending out latest on monday13:07
asacand report that on monday night13:07
JamieBennettsounds good13:08
JamieBennett(and pretty much as it is now)13:08
ograwell, generally send out on fri evening ... but give a soft deadline until mon13:08
asacok so based on that comments i would suggest to:13:08
persiaWell, except we ought to keep the TeamReport page updated ...13:08
plarsyeah mon-fri was very convenient, before when we cut it off midweek, there were lots more problems with days slipping, not realizing what day it is currently, etc13:08
ograyeah13:08
asac * send AR or add your AR to meeting by end of work day MON (covering mon-fri week before)13:08
asac* after meeting send out either two or one report with minutes and ARs13:09
JamieBennettworks for me13:09
asac* also: one ping after meeting if AR isnt on wiki is enough13:09
persiaI'd really prefer two.  I like reading meeting minutes when I miss a meeting to catch up on items that were worth discussion, and I don't like attending meetings that end up being mostly reporting.13:09
persiaI have no issues with aligned schedules though.13:10
asacpersia: in the desktop team it worked quite well. on top of the report mail there would be the minutes for quick consumption and then below are the detailed AR13:10
asacbut splitting works as it doesn add much extra work13:10
asacon whoever sends them13:10
persiaasac: Externally I found the desktop team reports fairly unhelpful to read to keep track of items of discussion.13:10
asacas long as they are aligned and there is a hard deadline13:11
asacpersia: yes. desktop team didnt do well adding minutes13:11
asacthat would be better as we care about minutes (desktop team mostly send agenda + AR)13:11
persiaYeah, which means reading the meeting logs.  We've had mixed quality minutes, but I think publishing them is useful.13:12
asacok ... and last but not least if you send your AR by mail, remember to send to JamieBennett and someone else (i would suggest me)13:12
ograasac, see the other chan ...13:12
asachelps avoiding single point of failure etc. and delegating in case of jamie is on vacation etc.13:12
ogra++13:14
asaccool13:14
asacso everyone is fine with that? (details can be discussed later)13:14
persiaOK.  Anything else on this topic?13:14
plarsthe changes need to be documented on the wiki page describing this13:15
plarswhich I can't seem to locate at the moment13:15
ograpersia, knows it :)13:15
persia[TOPIC] http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/lucid/report.html13:15
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ograhe has a wiki copy in his head usually :)13:15
asacmore importantly is probably the alpha2 one13:15
persiaEspecially because I've been reading all the Mobile wiki stuff again as part of my cleanup plan :)13:16
ograyeah13:16
persiaasac: Do you have a link for that?13:16
asac[LINK] http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/lucid-alpha2/report.html13:16
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asacon the wiki ;)13:16
asacso we are a bit above the trendline13:16
asacGrueMaster: anything is blocking you?13:16
ograoh we are such slackers !!13:16
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GrueMasterNot really.  I had a great patch of emails from the LSB guys.13:17
asacGrueMaster: especially on the suspend/resume blueprint there are lots of "define the test case" work items whicch probably can be done in parallel13:17
asaclike as a side job if you feel like lib spec isnt moving or you wait for inspiration etc. ;)13:17
asacok13:18
GrueMasterBear with me here, my DSL is cutting out.13:18
asacGrueMaster: sure. just wanted to point that there are plenty of work items that can be done easily if you want to get rid of some :) ...13:18
GrueMasterI am focusing on the lib spec mainly because it is a higher priority and has a deadline of A2.13:18
asacGrueMaster: suspend resume testplan is also on alpha-2 list13:19
asacat least a majority of work items should be done by then13:19
GrueMasterYes, but it is for starting testing.  The lib test is supposed to be deployed by A2 and finished.13:19
asacright.13:19
asacok13:20
GrueMasterBesides, a lot of the items in the suspend testing are going to have to be done at the vendor, as we don't have the test equipment to test fully.13:20
davidmGrueMaster, what are we missing?13:21
GrueMasterA lot of the comments that came up on this during UDS were from community members not familiar with actual hardware testing.13:21
asacGrueMaster: well. all those "define the testcases" should be easy to do before we reacht that point. if there is something that we cannot fill in, we can document that13:21
asacand escalate to vendors. but for that we need to know what13:21
plarsI don't think we can always assume vendors have it either13:21
GrueMasterThings like sound chip power levels, SDIO power on suspend, etc.13:22
GrueMasterBut I'll review it soon and get it out.13:22
persiaThe important thing is to document the test cases that need to be checked.  At that point, finding people with hardware is possible (if difficult).13:22
asacGrueMaster: right. thats why i would like to get all the definitions done soon. then we can check what needs to be dropped/can be done13:22
plarsI think the idea was to prioritize, and leave things open where necessary due to hardware constraints.  Very possible that *somebody* has the hardware and can test it13:22
davidmGrueMaster, please send me a list of hardware that we are missing, for suspend testing13:22
asacyes. the spec consists of: a) filling in a gross definition for each suggested testcase; b) evaluating feasibility; c) prioritization; d) implement automization or add manual instructions to a testplan13:23
GrueMasterdavidm: Some of the tests discussed in the UDS session would require scopes and probes to monitor power levels at some of the components.13:23
ograright, we're waiting for vendor info here13:24
asacGrueMaster: what would be great would be if you go through the testcases suggested and add your ideas on how that can be tested to the summary column13:24
plarsGrueMaster: would a kill-a-watt for the whole board's power usage suffice?13:24
asacand if you see that things are no feasible, also note that down13:24
GrueMasterplars: how would that work for Dove?13:24
GrueMasterOr for the babbage?13:25
plarsGrueMaster: plugs in like a wall outlet, you just plug your power supply into it13:25
blackxoredhello13:25
GrueMasterThey both draw little power to begin with.13:25
blackxoredthere's a DMB meeting here today?13:25
ograblackxored, cureently this is the mobile team meeting13:25
JamieBennettblackxored:  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar13:26
asacok. so besides from that. anyone else has problems with stuff for alpha-2 already?13:27
GrueMasterAt any rate, I have currently been focusing on lib conversion, but will try to take a look at the suspend/resume spec this week.13:27
asacthanks a lot.13:27
* ogra has enough probs with A1 ... 13:27
JamieBennettasac: Only MIR's that need to be pushed (talked already about these)13:27
ograso i wont even start thinking about A2 yet13:27
asacseems we are making good progress though. minus the current image issues13:27
ograright13:28
asacJamieBennett: yes. i have to check if i am allowed to process the MIRs from our team today. otherwise i have to trade them ;)13:28
ograbut without these solved we wont make A2 :)13:28
asacack13:28
asacwhat can we do about the builder situation? nothing?13:28
asacwell libdap could be investigated13:28
ograok, so did we move to image stuff now ?13:28
asacis that the prooved reason for our issues?13:28
asacyeah sorry13:29
ogralibdap is my smallest headdache13:29
asaclets start topic13:29
asacpersia: ^^13:29
ograyeah13:29
asac;)13:29
persia[TOPIC] ARM Image Status13:29
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM Image Status13:29
ogralet me give a short overview13:29
ograso a) buildds are committing suicide once a day13:29
ograb) that got us over 100 pkgs behing13:29
ogra*behind13:29
ograc) that makes the archive be out of sync massively for armel13:30
ograd) that prevents us from buiolding livefs images13:30
persiaugh!13:30
ograthe livefs builder has a bug with mksquashfs13:30
asacjust livefs images?13:30
ograthis issue can only be investigated if the archive is in sync13:30
ograi cant reproduce the issue in local builds13:31
asacanyone has the same hardware that the builders use?13:31
ograand it is suspected that the pegatron kernel on the livefs build machine causes it13:31
asacmaybe we can reproduce it there?13:31
ograon the build machine the kernel can not be replaced13:31
ograso one option would be to replace the livefs builder with a babbage board13:32
ograbut we dont have any spare ones atm, davidm ? do we ?13:32
JamieBennettdavidm: what is the fate of the 2.0 and 2.5 I have?13:32
ograso we could use a karmic kernel with lucid chroot instead of a pagatron kernel13:32
asacanyone has a pegatron and can reproduce that mksquashfs issue?13:33
ograasac, we dontz have peagatrons in the team13:33
asacfeels a bit like bug. how did those become buildds?13:33
ograasac, and even if you can reproduce, what does it help, if its caused by a kernel you cant replace you cant fix it13:34
ograasac, it was the only HW available13:34
asacwell. it would allow us to verify that its really the kernel13:34
ograi'm trying to verify that with lamont atm13:34
asacogra: right. but why has no team member that hardware?13:34
persiaThe buildds got swapped a couple times as random hardware became available.  Something like that demoed at UDS would be a buildd once it's available in quantity.13:34
ograasac, because its a limited amount we have ... all of them are used for buildds13:35
ograpersia, that *are* our buildds13:35
asacyeah. just feels like a risk if only lamont can work on those.13:35
ogra(the things demoed at UDS)13:35
davidmasac, ogra I have a pegatron unit if someone wants to walk me through a test I'm happy to do so13:35
ogradavidm, well, create a lucid chroot and run mksquashfs in it on any dir you like /usr or so13:36
ograwe can do that off meeting13:36
asacok. lets do that after meeting: so a) check if lamont can verify that its kernel; b) try to get ogra a remote ssh or something on davidm pegatron?13:36
asacwould that be the best way to approach this?13:37
ogradavidm, if its the case that the pegatron kernel is at fault, can we get IS a babbage board ?13:37
davidmogra, who do we remove the babbage board from?13:37
ogradavidm, as i said above, i cant reproduce the issue on a karmic bababge13:37
ogradavidm, JamieBennett has two and is in UK13:37
JamieBennettogra: two *spare*13:38
ogradavidm, and afaik plars and dyfet sent theirs back ?13:38
davidmwhat does getting ONE babbage board do for us?13:38
dyfetI had sent a b 2.5 to Lexington13:38
ograJamieBennett, wasnt one fried ?13:38
JamieBennettlool gave me one13:38
ogradavidm, we can replace the one machine with issues13:38
plarsmine is boxed up, ready to go when ready13:38
ogradavidm, we only have one livefs builder13:38
asacdavidm: the mksquashfs bug is a problem on the image builder only13:38
asacso if its really a pegatron specific issue we can fi that by just replacing that13:38
ogradavidm, though we discussed before that we want a second one ...13:39
asac(is that an accurate description)?13:39
ograasac, right13:39
ograsquashfs is currently only created on one machine13:39
ograthough given that that takes 90min lool and i proposed to have a second one long ago13:39
ograbecause we at least build two squashfses per run ... meaning armel takes 3h for a single build13:40
ograhaving that parallelized would cut time in half13:40
ograthough thats a different issue, for now we need images *at all*13:40
davidmogra, I'll set up my babbage so you can ssh into it, let you know when it's up13:40
ogras/babbage/pegatron/ i hope :)13:41
JamieBennett:)13:41
asache needs access to a pegatron13:41
ograit works on my babbage as far as i can tell13:41
davidms/babbage/pegatron/13:41
davidmI don't have a babbage13:41
persia[ACTION] davidm and ogra to investigate mksquashfs issue on pegatron board13:41
MootBotACTION received:  davidm and ogra to investigate mksquashfs issue on pegatron board13:41
ogra(which is not far, since i cant actually build a rootfs chroot without the archive being in sync)13:41
ograbut mksquashfs on a non chroot dir doesnt show any issues13:42
ograanyway, if we dont get these two issues fixed we wont have A113:42
persiaogra: Couldn't you run the lucid mksquashfs against the karmic archive?13:42
ograpersia, works fine, tried already13:42
persiaDarn.13:42
ograalso mksquashfs against /usr in a lucid chroot works fine13:43
asacok. so based on the outcome we decide whether we want to ship JamieBennett his board to london?13:43
asacor do we want that anyway?13:43
ograall on babbage though13:43
ograthe error it spits out on the buildd is "illegal instruction"13:43
ograthe pegatron kernel (and the squashfs module) is built ARMv5 .... i.e. jaunty13:43
ograso i suspect the userspace squashfs-tools buolt for v7 dont get along with the module built for v513:44
asacok. i assume one option would be to build mksquasfs locally with old arm flags?13:44
ograand we have no way to change the kernel on these devices13:44
asacanyway. thats what should be done by the ACTION item13:45
ograasac, that could cause broken squashfses ... you need to unpack them again13:45
ograwith v7 tools13:45
ograand a v7 kernel module13:45
ograsounds very risky13:45
asacdont see yet why that would cause issues ;)13:46
asacbut well13:46
asacoff meeting13:46
ograthe action item should be to replace the builder with something where we can have influence on kernel and trootfs13:46
persiaRight.  Anything else for ARM Image status?13:46
ograno13:46
persiaOK.13:46
ograwell13:46
asacso ... do we want the babbage board to be shipped to london in any case?13:46
ograsomeone should look at libdap13:46
JamieBennettthats a davidm decision13:46
asaclike in case pagatron gets fixed we could use that as a second builder?13:46
ogra++13:46
ograthe 3h buildtime are not an issue yet ...13:47
davidmlets examine one problem before jumping to to solutions please13:47
ograbut they will become a big issue as soon as we get a third subarch13:47
davidmWe are gravely short hardware at the moment13:47
ograso we'll definately run into a prob then and should be prepared13:47
asacok. lets decide on the board shuffeling by end of tomorrow work day13:48
ograif its forseeable that we dont get a third subarch before A2 i would say we should postpone that discussion13:48
asacbased on the outcome of debugging etc.13:48
loolAnother option would be to refactor livecd-rootfs to use qemu-arm; that would allow running the image build on fast x86 hardware; needs to be done carefully13:48
loolThat works around hardware shortage, and speed issues13:48
ogralool, mono13:48
lool(Hey all!)13:48
asachi ;)13:48
ograhi lool :)13:48
asacok. so i think we are done on that arm image status thing ;)13:48
persiaRIght.13:49
persia[TOPIC] Any Other Business13:49
MootBotNew Topic:  Any Other Business13:49
ogramono isnt installable under any qemu userspace emu13:49
persia[TOPIC] Mono on armel13:49
MootBotNew Topic:  Mono on armel13:49
ograerr13:49
ograthat was to lool and his last topic :)13:49
persia[TOPIC] Any Other Business13:49
asacdo we have enough information on the problems etc. to do a qualified discussion on mono at this time?13:49
ograi.e. livecd-rootfs would brak there13:49
MootBotNew Topic:  Any Other Business13:49
asacok13:49
loolI'm not too familiar with this bug; I heard about it a while ago from ogra and read a confirmation by someone else, but I don't know how important it is for image building13:50
ogralool, as long as we ship mono apps it blocks 100%13:50
* persia gets confused, and decides to sort out the topics in the minutes13:50
ograheh13:50
JamieBennettogra: more reason to get rid of tomboy and f-spot13:51
loologra: I'm saying I know the bug exists, just don't know how hard it is to resolve13:51
ogranot sure if we want that13:51
persiatomboy has an active competitive upstream, but I'm less sure of f-spot13:51
ogralool, right, me neither ... i just know it gets the emulator to a full stop atm13:51
ogralool, and i doubt we can solve it before thu :)13:52
loolNo, nor add additional buildds13:52
ograwell, replacing the buildd is quick13:52
ograbut we need to know if it helps before we even attempt that13:52
loolAnyway, was just a random thought on solving the livefs buildd situation; /me returns to fixing hardware &13:52
* JamieBennett looks at his car and contemplates a trup to London13:53
JamieBennetttrip13:53
ograi agree that qemu would be a good alternative though13:53
ograif mono wouldnt be the blocker13:53
* GrueMaster looks at his bed and hopes the meeting will move forward soon.13:53
asacyeah. so anything else?13:54
persiaSo, Do we have enough information to have a good discussion about mono now?13:54
persiaIf not, let's move on.13:54
asacno13:54
ograno13:54
asacat least i dont have any idea ;)13:54
ogramove on please13:54
persiaRight.  Anyone have anything else?13:54
ian_brasilwe have changed somewhat the Liquid ToDo's after speaking with the community members and Mer guys13:54
persia[TOPIC] Liquid update13:54
MootBotNew Topic:  Liquid update13:54
persiaian_brasil: Go13:54
ian_brasilthe page is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuLiquid13:54
ian_brasilwe will package the plasma mobile shell in summary13:55
asacian_brasil: i heard you move from the hildon stuff to the qt this cycle?13:55
ograon MEr ??13:55
ian_brasilyes13:55
ograi thought Mer stays hildon13:56
asacliquid reconsidered moving to the new modern stuff afaik13:56
ian_brasilMer stays hildon but they will support QT13:56
ograright13:56
ogralike maemo513:56
ian_brasilfor this reason it will help them to have plasma support13:56
ian_brasilthey will use our plasma work13:56
ograand maemo6 moves to be the other way round13:56
ian_brasilogra, right13:57
ogra(as i understood at the maemo summit)13:57
persiaReading that page, how much hildon stuff would be expected in liquid?  I don't see that much.13:57
ian_brasilpersia, none13:57
persiacool!13:58
ian_brasilthere was some work done on qmantle13:58
asacso we get a bunch of latest maemo goodies, is that about right?13:58
ian_brasilasac, yes13:59
asacian_brasil: do you want to track/plan coordinate your work using specs/work items?13:59
asacor are you fine to just do it and report here on weekly progress/blockage?13:59
ian_brasilasac, yes although i am not sure how that works13:59
asacian_brasil: ok. i can explain that to you after meeting and then you can say if you want that or not etc.14:00
ian_brasilasac, thx..we have quite a few coders and designers on board so we might need this14:00
asacyeah. lets check what we can do.14:00
persiaYou guys want an action for that?14:01
asac[ACTION] asac to discuss work items/burndown/reporting for liquid with ian_brasil14:01
asachmm14:01
persia[ACTION] asac to discuss work items/burndown/reporting for liquid with ian_brasil14:01
MootBotACTION received:  asac to discuss work items/burndown/reporting for liquid with ian_brasil14:01
asacthx14:01
persiaonly the chair can assign actions :)14:01
asacthats Moot ;)14:01
dyfetshould we have an informational spec to collect mono issues on arm together in one place?14:01
asachehe14:01
asacdyfet: i dont think so. bugs should be good14:01
persiaOK.  ANy other topics for discussion?14:01
asacnot from me this week ;) (and time is over too)14:02
asacok14:03
persia#endmeeting14:03
MootBotMeeting finished at 08:03.14:03
asacthanks persia14:03
asacthanks all14:03
persiaMinutes will be up in 10-12 hours (I'm tired tonight).14:03
asacgood night!14:03
ograthanks14:04
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lielHello14:07
lielI'm for Israel. Sould I register in the EMEA Membership board?14:08
czajkowskiliel: you can if you like, if the time and date suit14:10
popeyliel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA/14:10
popeyyou are already on that list liel14:10
lielI know14:10
lielThanks!14:11
popeykeep an eye on the above page for the date/time of the next meeting because it will change14:11
lielThe new date is perfect for me (Because of Hanukkah) :)14:13
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pittio/;14:59
keesheya pitti14:59
cjwatsonhi14:59
blackxoredhello everybodty14:59
cjwatsonI'm just writing an agenda wiki page14:59
blackxoreds/everybodty/everybody14:59
cjwatsonfed up of not having one for the DMB :)14:59
keescjwatson: I was just going to ask about that.  I couldn't find an agenda anywhere.  :)14:59
cjwatsonfor today's meeting, there are three pressing agenda items15:00
cjwatsonthat I can see, anyway15:00
cjwatson * Alberto Milone -> core-dev15:00
pittidtchen: Applying for core-dev membership reactivation15:00
pittiRecommendation for core-dev: Alberto Milone (tseliot)15:00
pittiDMB: Next steps15:00
pittioops, sorry for interleaving15:00
cjwatson * Adrian Perez -> azureus, eclipse, swt-gtk15:00
cjwatson * Daniel Chen -> core-dev reactivation15:01
keeswho is chair? (we should mootbot-start)15:02
cjwatsonI think you just volunteered15:03
kees#startmeeting15:03
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kees[topic] Alberto Milone -> core-dev15:03
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cjwatsonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda exists now15:03
cjwatson[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda15:03
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keeshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlbertoMilone/CoreDeveloperApplication15:04
kees[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlbertoMilone/CoreDeveloperApplication15:04
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pittiI also sponsor quite a lot of Alberto's uploads, mostly nvidia drivers15:05
keesjust reading this package list now.15:06
cjwatsonhmm, tseliot is not here15:06
pittiit's a national holiday for him today15:06
keesbased on sponsored work and personal experience, I would support tseliot being core-dev.  I'd like the opportunity to ask some questions, though.15:06
cjwatsonI had wanted to ask him about the state of proprietary drivers in general (and what the next steps are for getting rid of them ...), but that's really out of my own curiosity than anything else15:07
cjwatsonfrankly, an endorsement from a core developer saying "I pretty much trust his uploads implicitly" is close to good enough for me :)15:07
cjwatsonKeybuk: are you here, by the way?15:07
keeser, do we have quorum? don't we need 4?15:08
pittimdz can't make it15:08
pittiI pinged Keybuk and sabdfl an hour ago, but no response15:08
cjwatsonI'll phone Scott15:08
cjwatson(bear with me, internet connection currently bearing startling similarity to molasses)15:09
pittikees: in the meantime, do you still have questions to dtchen after his mail response?15:09
pittiI asked him (action from prev meeting), and he can't be online at this time (work)15:09
* kees ponders what to do with the mootbot topic15:10
pittiKeybuk and I already gave our +1 two weeks ago15:10
keespitti: no, I'm good with dtchen15:10
keesso, +1 from me, then.  :)15:10
cjwatson+1 from me for dtchen also, Kees already asked the questions I was going to ask15:10
pitti(sorry about scrambling topic - just trying to fill in the gap)15:10
kees[topic] Daniel Chen: ubuntu-core-dev reactivation15:11
MootBotNew Topic:  Daniel Chen: ubuntu-core-dev reactivation15:11
cjwatsonno reply from Scott's phone15:11
kees+1's all around, carried.15:11
pittiI can do the paperwork15:12
cjwatsonlet's continue with Alberto by mail15:12
cjwatsonblackxored is Adrian Perez, so we can discuss with him even if we don't have quorum, and finish off by mail15:12
keespitti: what's required for activation, just setting the group membership in LP and announcing to which lists?15:12
pittiadded him to ~u-core-dev15:13
pittikees: replying to his application, and then mentioning it on the meeting summary to -devel, I think15:13
cjwatsonubuntu-devel@ and devel-permissions@, I believe15:13
pittiat least that's what I did last time, and nobody complained15:13
cjwatson(the latter now exists, hurrah)15:13
pittiyay15:13
pittithanks15:13
keesdevel-permissions@, that's what I was looking for, perfect.15:13
kees[topic] Adrian Perez: azureus, eclipse, swt-gtk15:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Adrian Perez: azureus, eclipse, swt-gtk15:13
pittithe first two are universe, and MC already ack'ed them15:14
pittiso I already made him uploader for that15:14
pitti(based on similar cases last week)15:14
pittiswt-gtk is main, though15:14
blackxoredI see15:14
pittihey blackxored, thanks for joining!15:14
blackxoredpitti, I was lurking since 10:00 CST :P15:15
blackxoredno problem15:15
cjwatsonblackxored: can you tell us a bit about your work on eclipse? what state were things in when you started, what major things still need to be done ...? I know that eclipse is a big deal for a number of users15:15
blackxoredcjwatson, in fact it is15:15
keesah!  blackxored, I see you're the Debian maintainer of swt-gtk.  that simplies my thought-process.  :)  http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/swt-gtk.html15:16
blackxoredwhen i started with eclipse the package was almost clean enough, although they were important changes made by my co-maintainers, such as switching to cdbs15:16
blackxoredkees, yes I am15:16
blackxoredalso I'm the sole maintainer of azureus, although the maint is set to debian-java since I expected to receive help for azureus bugs since sjackman told me this package generates a lot of them15:16
blackxoredbut I'm glad to say that I solved most quickly, so I just have a wishlist15:17
blackxoredfor it15:17
blackxored:P15:17
cjwatsonwhat's the Ubuntu Java team like at the moment? last I checked in it was very very very quiet, but that was years ago :)15:17
blackxoredcjwatson, I have no idea15:17
cjwatsonand are there any big plans there?15:17
cjwatsonoh, you're in debian-java but not the Ubuntu Java team?15:17
blackxoredslytherin and ScottK told me there are no many java-aware devs at motu, so I didn't even asked about ubuntu-java15:18
blackxoredcjwatson, just debian-java15:18
blackxoredcjwatson, my ubuntu story is starting here :P15:18
blackxoredmostly active in the bug tracker and supervising merges15:18
blackxoreduntil now15:18
cjwatsonthere was an Ubuntu Java team at one point, but maybe it was so quiet they stopped bothering15:18
cjwatsonperhaps you could figure out how to revive it? :-)15:18
blackxoredcjwatson, probably15:18
blackxoredcjwatson, I once attended a 4 person meeting, not truly encouraging :P15:18
mdzpitti, I'm on another call, but can you add an agenda item to try to reschedule this meeting so I can attend?15:18
pittiwell, a java team of four people would be great15:19
blackxoredcjwatson, probably, but my goals are to apply for motu for lucid release15:19
pittimdz: will do15:19
blackxoredpitti, heheheh that was ages ago I think, when I started seeing motu videos :P15:19
keesblackxored: who sponsors your Debian uploads?15:19
blackxoredkees, since now, anyone :P formerly, the team, myon, twener, etc15:20
blackxoredsjackman when I adopted azureus and the like15:20
* kees nods15:20
blackxoredpitti, anyways, I will try to do my best for a ubuntu java team if you like to15:20
blackxored:P15:20
blackxoredI'm dev of ruby, python, and java mostly15:21
pittiwell, it's not me commandeering you, you should do what you enjoy and you are good at15:21
pittiblackxored: I just meant that four people can do a lot15:21
blackxoredpitti, leaving being modest behind, I've done great java packaging :P15:21
* blackxored advocates itself :P15:21
blackxoredpitti, I have several people in mind15:22
blackxoredslytherin, bdrung, etc15:22
blackxoredanyone of us could take the beat :P15:22
blackxoredalso there's an increasing initiative to re-sync java packages into debian, I think this will get debian-java somehow more involved with ubuntu as well, so there are good changes this people could join and do the merges and attend the bugs15:23
pittithat would certainly be ideal15:23
pittias far as I remember, the main changes that we did were for the default-jdk transition and some FTBFSish fixes15:23
blackxoredpitti exactly15:23
blackxoredbut now openjdk is the default for most debian archs15:23
blackxoredthat's one of the main topics of the re-sync15:24
keespitti, cjwatson: any other questions?  without quorum, do we move this to email?15:24
cjwatsonI have no other questions, and am +1 on Adrian's per-package application15:25
pittibased on blackxored being the Debian maintainer for swt-gt, and MC approval, I have no further questions (+1 from me for swt-gtk, FWIW)15:25
kees+1 from me for swt-gtk as well15:25
pittiso, we need to collect one more vote on the ML then15:26
blackxored\o/ great15:26
kees[action] get remaining DMB votes for blackxored via email15:26
MootBotACTION received:  get remaining DMB votes for blackxored via email15:26
keesthanks blackxored!15:27
kees[topic] next steps15:27
MootBotNew Topic:  next steps15:27
blackxoredno thanks to you15:27
blackxoredI'll be joining ubuntu-java soon15:27
pittiblackxored: thanks for yor great work15:27
* cjwatson mentally inserts a comma. :)15:27
blackxoredhow to proceed next, and what can I wait, if this isn't offtopic15:27
blackxoredcjwatson, :P15:28
keescjwatson: heh, did that too15:28
cjwatsonblackxored: we have the action to finish this up, and will mail you15:28
blackxoredcjwatson, that's fine15:28
blackxoredso guys I'll see you soon, thanks again15:28
pittiI did some small updates to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard to reflect current reality wrt. delegation (and also added a small meeting section)15:29
cjwatsonI think I ended up with an action from the last TB meeting to document the current delegations - IIRC15:29
pittidevel-permissions@ was set up, and the other two items in the first paragraph is process that we now need to follow15:30
keesah, yeah, that would be handy.15:30
mdzpitti: I'm here now, meeting finished early15:31
keesmdz: ah! cool.  if you can, we need 1 more vote for "Daniel Chen: ubuntu-core-dev reactivation" and "Adrian Perez: azureus, eclipse, swt-gtk"15:31
mdzpitti: I can ack adrianperez-deb for swt-gtk right now15:31
mdzand also daniel chen's reactivation15:32
mdz+1 on both15:32
keesexcellent.15:32
pittiArchive Upload Rights for adrianperez-deb: source package 'swt-gtk'15:32
pittiadded15:32
cjwatsonI'd like for us to take some time to discuss the future roles of the DMB vs. motu-council, if we can15:33
mdzok by me15:33
keessure15:33
mdz[topic]?15:33
kees[topic] future roles of the DMB vs. motu-council15:33
MootBotNew Topic:  future roles of the DMB vs. motu-council15:34
cjwatsonwe agreed at UDS that we would be keeping something rather akin to the current MOTU team under that name, but I think general consensus has been to move towards removing duplication in management-type functions15:34
pittiwrt the delegations, I think we need to add the per-team application policy to the list of delegations on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard; I'm happy to do that15:34
cjwatsonI see that there are seven motu-council members right now15:34
dholbachpitti: and refresh UbuntuDevelopers to that effect :)15:34
dholbachpitti: I can help out15:35
cjwatsonnormally I would say that 13 is too big for a committee, but in this case it may well be that that's simply what we need to cover a community the size of Ubuntu with any effectiveness15:35
gesercjwatson: two MC members are on a prolonged basis15:35
dholbachcjwatson: if we were to "merge" the two, I'd suggest having a new election, soren and geser are going to expire any time soon anyway15:35
keescjwatson: have there been situations where the size has hindered some action/decision?15:35
mdzwhen we established the DMB, we resolved to seed it with the TB members, but that there should be an election once we got on our feet15:35
mdzI think it's probably time to revisit that and have an election15:35
mdzand nominate MC members who wish to stand15:36
mdzthoughts?15:36
cjwatsonkees: the only real issues as size increases are that it gets harder to get (nearly) everyone together, and meetings tend to drag on15:36
dholbachit'd be nice to eliminate the "talk to two different boards if you want to apply" part :)15:36
keesthat was the plan, so I support that.15:36
cjwatsonan election does seem to be the best way to move forward15:37
kees(plan == election)15:37
cjwatsondholbach: yes15:37
mdzare there members of motu-council who are not yet core-dev, and if so, does that matter?15:37
cjwatsonso what kind of numbers do we ideally want? and, should we simply have TB members stand again, rather than being grandfathered in?15:37
mdzcjwatson: not sure, and yes15:37
dholbachmdz: persia, geser, jpds and nhandler are not, and I wouldn't personally think it matters - they should have applied for core-dev anyway :)15:37
cjwatsonpersia isn't core-dev?!15:38
dholbachcjwatson: we could ask everybody if they're willing to stand again15:38
keeson the one hand, having someone not in core-dev making decicions about who should be in it seems like a bad idea.  on the other hand, the experience with evaluating work/people as done by the MC is a different skill than packaging.15:38
dholbachor make an open call for nominations15:38
* ScottK would suggest an open call for nominations.15:38
pittimy gut feeling is to start from scratch, too15:39
cjwatsonI would be a little bit uncomfortable with superseding some of motu-council's functions in such a way as to arrange that the current members weren't eligible15:39
geserwhat would be the size of the newly elected DMB?15:39
cjwatson[strawman] how about 9?15:39
cjwatsonor 11? I like odd numbers for voting bodies. :)15:39
mdz9 seems like a lot15:40
cjwatson11 is probably too big15:40
ScottKPerhaps more imporant than the number of people is the number that qualify as a quorum for decision making.15:40
mdzCC has 815:40
dholbachthe MC has 7 right now15:40
keesis the intent to merge MC and DMB into a single board named DMB?  does MC do things beyond membership review?15:40
mdzI think 7-ish15:40
ScottKkees: Yes.15:40
mdzkees: yes15:40
keeswhat will happen to the MC duties if it's merged?15:41
ScottKkees: From the UDS discussion, i think the intent is to merge the MC membership functions into DMB, but not the MC itself15:41
keesnon-DMB MC duties, that is.15:41
dholbachkees: MC approves motus and ubuntumembers, recommends coredevs and perpackage uploaders and did some conflict resolution15:41
dholbachI personally feel that conflict resolution could well be done by whichever area of Ubuntu it concerns15:41
keesok, so just the "recommends coredevs and perpackage uploaders" responsibility would move15:41
cjwatsondoes the MC do organisational kinds of things - "these things urgently need work"?15:42
dholbach(like the CC, the TB, the archive admins, the release team or whatever it is about)15:42
cjwatson(and if not, should it?)15:42
cjwatsonconflict resolution often works well close to home15:42
ScottKdholbach: I'd say that Universe is an area that needs such a thing.15:42
kees+1 for 7, btw.15:42
ScottKSometimes in the past it has been critically important.15:42
dholbachScottK: I don't think so15:42
ScottKdholbach: We already had this out at UDS.15:42
dholbachit didn't arise very often and the archive team, the release team or sru team are usually good at making decisions15:43
dholbachI don't know if it makes sense to have a governance body just for that15:43
cjwatsonthere've been cases in the past of problems that are more like interpersonal resolution15:43
cjwatsonwhich IIRC motu-council dealt with pretty well15:43
ScottKdholbach: I think that there will be a body that does this function in the community whether you want it or not.15:43
dholbachScottK: hm? I'm not sure I understand15:44
dholbachcjwatson: I think there's been two cases the MC was involved with that weren't related to membership15:44
ScottKAs we discussed at UDS, such bodies need institutional and community legitimacy.15:44
ScottKIf the institution doesn't care to have such a body, the community probably still will.15:45
mdzwe're getting a bit off track here15:45
ScottKdholbach: You only list extreme cases.15:45
ScottKOK.15:45
mdzthere seems to be a topic here which needs further discussion15:45
ScottKWe already went through this at UDS.15:45
mdzwhat is its name, and where is the best place to discuss it? (probably not this DMB meeting)15:45
ScottKmdz: I think it was discussed and dholbach didn't like the outcome15:45
dholbachI can't remember if it was15:45
mdzdholbach: are you aware of the outcomes of the discussion at UDS?15:46
dholbachScottK: if you were to list what such a governance body should do, what would be it?15:46
geserScottK: do you expect so many conflicts that a seperate team is needed to handle them?15:46
mdzif not, the first thing to do would be to review that document (which has some rationale in it iirc) and give feedback15:46
ScottKcjwatson and I have an action to work though the UDS session and make a proposal.15:46
mdzmaybe dholbach should join you in that effort15:46
dholbachhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/337346/ is the outcomes from the session at UDS15:47
MootBotLINK received:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/337346/ is the outcomes from the session at UDS15:47
mdzbut to come back to the DMB question, we seem to have agreement on a few things15:47
mdz[agreed] there should be a DMB election soon15:47
mdz[agreed] the permanent size of the DMB should be 7?15:47
kees[agreed] there should be a DMB election soon15:47
MootBotAGREED received:  there should be a DMB election soon15:47
mdz[agreed] members of the MOTU council should be offered nominations for the DMB15:47
kees[agreed] the permanent size of the DMB should be 715:48
cjwatson[agreed] members of the TB should be offered nominations for the DMB15:48
MootBotAGREED received:  the permanent size of the DMB should be 715:48
kees[agreed] members of the MOTU council should be offered nominations for the DMB15:48
MootBotAGREED received:  members of the MOTU council should be offered nominations for the DMB15:48
mdz[agreed] the existing DMB members should stand for re-election (assuming they wish to continue to participate in DMB)15:48
kees[agreed] members of the TB should be offered nominations for the DMB15:48
MootBotAGREED received:  members of the TB should be offered nominations for the DMB15:48
kees[agreed] the existing DMB members should stand for re-election (assuming they wish to continue to participate in DMB)15:48
MootBotAGREED received:  the existing DMB members should stand for re-election (assuming they wish to continue to participate in DMB)15:48
cjwatson(my [agreed] and mdz's last [agreed] are the same)15:48
keesthe last two seem to be the same, yeah15:48
mdz[agreed] kees should give mdz copies of his ssh private keys15:48
dholbachhaha15:49
kees[agreed] mdz will give kees copies of his ssh private keys15:49
mdzjust checking that you're paying attention15:49
MootBotAGREED received:  mdz will give kees copies of his ssh private keys15:49
pitti-1 on that one :)15:49
kees:)15:49
mdzbooo15:49
keesok, other items for discussion?15:49
mdzhow about some actions to make the [agreed] items happen?15:50
keeswho can drive the election?15:50
pittihow would that look like? announce the election, set it up on Launchpad, annouce the results?15:51
mdzyes15:51
cjwatsondid people feel that the tool we used for the TB election went well?15:51
mdzget the nominations assembled15:51
pitti(no idea how to set up LP, but that can be discussed off-meeting)15:51
mdzcjwatson: yes15:51
cjwatsonwe used that in order to get condorcet voting15:51
mdzit worked great from my POV15:51
pittiseemed to work just fine15:51
cjwatsonlet's go with that, then15:51
dholbachI think Mark drove it15:52
dholbachand gave it the email addresses of ~ubuntu-dev team15:52
cjwatsonright15:52
dholbachor ~ubuntumembers in case of the CC election15:52
mdzkees: I'll do it15:52
kees[action] mdz to drive election for DMB, based on existing members of TB and MC15:52
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keesok, anything else?15:54
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keesalright, thanks everyone!15:55
kees#endmeeting15:55
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pittikees: two more topics to go..15:55
keesagh15:55
pittimeeting time and chair15:55
keessorry15:55
keesmeeting time the same?15:55
mdz:-(15:55
pittiWed 1400 UTC would WFM15:55
pitticjwatson +1'ed that, too15:55
pittikees: is that too early for you or would that work?15:56
keesif I'm not on the DMB, I'm fine with pre-1500 times.15:56
mdzI think he gave +1 on 1400 tue actually15:56
cjwatsonI actually +1'd Tue 140015:56
mdzbut 1400 tue or wed works for me15:56
cjwatsonbut Wed 1400 is fine too15:56
pittisorry, Tue15:56
cjwatsonis there a west-coast-friendly time we can do?15:56
mdzyeah, that's a bit early for kees15:56
cjwatsonI assume this all goes out the window post-election anyway15:56
mdzI will have more west-coast-friendly slots starting in Jan15:56
keesit's 6am for US west-coast.15:57
mdzyes, perhaps we should defer the decision to after the election15:57
mdzif we can keep this slot for the next meeting15:57
keessounds reasonable15:57
mdzI'll just take care of the election stuff and miss the next meeting15:57
keesok, chair?15:58
pittiwe should just have a fixed order..15:58
mdznot me obviously :-)15:58
pittiI did last time, but I'm fine with driving the next one15:58
pittiDec 22, right?15:58
cjwatsonI can do it if you like15:59
keesit was following TB chair, but that's messed up now since I was on holiday last week15:59
cjwatsonoh, I think I'll be away15:59
pittilet's see if we get applicants15:59
keesyeah, Dec 22.  ok, pitti it is.15:59
pittiit might just be below quorum, and then get superseded by the election15:59
keesok, for real this time, #endmeeting.  :)16:00
pittikees: you're going to announce the new uploaders in the meeting notes mail?16:00
pittikees: the LP changes are done for Adrian and Daniel16:00
keespitti: yeah, it'll be in the notes.  did you send the devel-permissions@ email already?16:01
pittikees: no, I thought you'd just CC that?16:01
keescc the notes?  seems like it's more useful as individual emails with the person's name in the subjet?16:02
keesanyway, I'll take care of it.  :)16:03
pittiah, true that16:03
pittibetter searchability16:03
pittiok16:03
* kees nods16:03
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ogasawara_ * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-fsl-imx51/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=2144318:01
ogasawara_ * 0 linux-ec2 bug - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-ec2/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=2144318:01
ogasawara_ * 0 linux-mvl-dove bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-mvl-dove/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=2144318:01
ogasawara_* Release Targeted Bugs (59 bugs) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs18:01
ogasawara_ * 4 linux kernel bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux18:01
ogasawara_ * 3 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-fsl-imx5118:01
ogasawara_ * 0 linux-ec2 bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-ec218:02
ogasawara_ * 1 linux-mvl-dove bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-mvl-dove18:02
ogasawara_..18:02
bjf[TOPIC] Lucid Release Status: Milestoned Features18:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Lucid Release Status: Milestoned Features18:02
ogasawara_Milestoned Features - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.0418:02
ogasawara_ * 1 blueprint relating to the kernel - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-new-kernel-on-lts18:02
ogasawara_..18:02
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (ogasawara)18:03
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling18:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (ogasawara)18:03
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling18:03
ogasawara_Spec was Approved.18:03
ogasawara_Noted updates on action items since last week:18:03
ogasawara_bug days -- look for bugs with interesting features, pictures/videos etc:INPROGRESS18:03
ogasawara_ * starting with bugs with patches attached18:03
ogasawara_bug days -- look at improving advertising:INPROGRESS18:03
ogasawara_ * sent to kernel-team, ubuntu-qa, ubuntu-bugcontrol, ubuntu-bugsquad, and blogged at planet.ubuntu.com18:03
ogasawara_..18:03
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-sru-policy-review (smb, ogasawara)18:04
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-sru-policy-review18:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-sru-policy-review (smb, ogasawara)18:04
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-sru-policy-review18:04
smbdone, can be removed from agenda18:04
smb..18:04
bjf[ACTION] remove from agenda18:04
MootBotACTION received:  remove from agenda18:04
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta (apw)18:04
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta18:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta (apw)18:04
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta18:04
apwwork is still ongoing, next batch of updates after the a-1 freeze18:05
apw..18:05
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)18:05
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review18:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)18:05
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review18:05
apwnothing to report18:05
apw...18:05
apw..18:05
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin)18:05
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms18:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin)18:05
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms18:05
sconklinMoblin patch Karmic test kernel is now in a PPA:18:06
sconklinhttps://launchpad.net/~sconklin/+archive/lucid-speedtests18:06
sconklinAn announcement has been sent to ubuntu-x mailing list18:06
sconklinPatches can be viewed here:18:06
sconklinhttp://people.canonical.com/~sconklin/mobp/18:06
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~sconklin/mobp/18:06
sconklin...18:06
apwsconklin, you must tell the x-announce list name18:06
apwas the next kernel will have a change for ati radeon kms18:06
apw..18:06
sconklinok, and technically this is probably part of the boot performance spec, not KMS18:07
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-suspend-resume (manjo)18:07
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-suspend-resume18:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-suspend-resume (manjo)18:07
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-suspend-resume18:07
manjonothing major to report there18:07
manjo..18:08
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)18:08
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development18:08
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)18:08
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development18:08
bjfdoesn't seem to be here18:08
bjf..18:08
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)18:09
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance18:09
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)18:09
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance18:09
* apw lets csurbhi go first18:09
csurbhisent a patch for async rootfs population on kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com18:09
csurbhiapw, observed  a performance improvement on Dell Mini 10v.18:10
csurbhi..18:10
bjfso where are we sitting right now with our boot time?18:10
apwi've got some testing writeen up and about to send those out18:10
amitkwhen do we plan to integrate these patches in?18:11
apwwe're down from about 1.54s to about 0.9s with the stack i have, the populate_roofs is worth about .3s18:11
amitkfor wider testing?18:11
apwi hope to have them in for the first upload post a-118:11
apw..18:11
bjfso we are less than 1 sec? I thought 2s was our boot allowance18:11
apwnope the whole boot allowance is 2s18:12
amitkwe can always add a few udelays18:12
apwour kernel init was 2s, and is now down around the 1s mark18:12
apwthat leaves us 1s to get initramfs done, and executing real innit off root18:12
apwour allowance is grub->upstart taking 2s18:12
apw..18:12
bjf[TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)18:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)18:13
bjfstill working on c-o-d, getting closer18:13
bjf..18:13
bjf[TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (amitk)18:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (amitk)18:13
amitkgot powertop-related kernel patches merged into Lucid and just finished creating a new powertop package that needs signing before upload18:14
amitkhave started looking at Scott's automated boot testing scripts18:14
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amitkwe might be able to leverage that for power measurements18:14
amitk..18:15
KeybukOOI from a power measurement POV, I guess you're thinking of an external box that measures the power they're drawing?18:15
amitkKeybuk: thats right18:15
bjfskipping jjohanson for now, he's working on getting connected18:15
amitkwhich is why laptops are bad since they have a battery that won't allow us to measure true current drawn18:15
Keybukare there boxes like that you can get the numbers automatically?18:15
amitkyes, you can get boxes which have serial/usb outputs that can continuously output the current measurements18:16
amitkso it is easy to rig it up to a desktop/server18:16
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amitkassuming we can get some standards tests defined (e.g. idle after boot)18:16
amitkwe can then measure what wakes us up, whether our HW is sleeping, etc.18:17
Keybukyeah, sounds quite plausible18:17
amitkwe can also repeat the same after a resume18:17
amitksince some drivers don't go back to sleep after a resume18:17
Keybukthough I'd warn you that the Mini 10v, in particular, does not appear to want to wake up on RTC :p18:18
Keybukso you might want to pick a different model18:18
amitkI am thinking that for profiling our desktop stack, it might be better to use a desktop machine18:18
amitk..18:18
bjf[TOPIC] Status: Lucid (apw)18:19
MootBotNew Topic:  Status: Lucid (apw)18:19
apwLucid kernel is currently frozen for the Alpha-1 release.  Following the freeze we intend to make a number of changes as requested by other teams.  Of interest we will be re-enabling KMS for ATI radeon to enable userspace fixing.  We will be enabling a number of new options, KSM, DEVTMPFS, and enabling parallel flavour building.  We will also start updating the ubuntu drivers.18:19
apw..18:19
bjf[TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)18:19
MootBotNew Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)18:19
smbDapper:   2.6.15-55.81 (security)18:19
smbHardy:    2.6.24-26.64 (security)18:19
smbIntrepid: 2.6.27-16.44 (security)18:19
smbJaunty:   2.6.28-17.58 (security)18:19
smbKarmic:   2.6.31-16.52 (security)18:19
smbDesperately trying to upload the Karmic-proposed kernel update to 2.6.31.618:19
smbas .7 is running towards the door.18:19
smb..18:19
bjf[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (ogasawara)18:21
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (ogasawara)18:21
ogasawara_Current regression stats (broken down by release):18:21
ogasawara_== regression-potential (up 1) ==18:21
ogasawara_10 lucid bugs18:21
ogasawara_ * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-potential+lucid&field.tags_combinator=ALL18:21
ogasawara_== regression-update (down 3)==18:21
ogasawara_3 karmic bugs18:21
ogasawara_ * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-update+karmic&field.tags_combinator=ALL18:21
ogasawara_5 jaunty bugs18:21
ogasawara_ * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-update+jaunty&field.tags_combinator=ALL18:21
ogasawara_2 intrepid bugs18:21
ogasawara_ * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-update+intrepid&field.tags_combinator=ALL18:21
ogasawara_1 hardy bug18:21
ogasawara_ * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-update+hardy&field.tags_combinator=ALL18:21
ogasawara_== regression-release (up 10)==18:21
ogasawara_58 karmic bugs18:21
ogasawara_ * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-release+karmic&field.tags_combinator=ALL18:21
ogasawara_23 jaunty bugs18:21
ogasawara_ * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-release+jaunty&field.tags_combinator=ALL18:21
ogasawara_12 intrepid bugs18:21
ogasawara_ * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-release+intrepid&field.tags_combinator=ALL18:21
ogasawara_4 hardy bugs18:21
ogasawara_ * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-release+hardy&field.tags_combinator=ALL18:21
ogasawara_== regression-proposed (no change)==18:21
ogasawara_1 karmic bug18:21
ogasawara_ * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-proposed+karmic&field.tags_combinator=ALL18:21
ogasawara_..18:22
bjf[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (ogasawara)18:22
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (ogasawara)18:22
ogasawara_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/BugDay/20091208#Bugs18:22
ogasawara_Current stats at http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/kernel-bugday/20091208.html18:22
ogasawara_Off to a slow start.18:22
ogasawara_..18:22
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)18:23
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development18:23
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)18:23
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development18:23
jjohansenhad a couple kitten killers, that prevented it going into alpha118:24
jjohansenI have a good tree now that I need to send a pull request out on18:24
jjohansen..18:24
bjf[TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)18:24
MootBotNew Topic:  Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)18:24
jjohansenapw rebased and I need to test today18:25
jjohansenI still need to go through the configs and get them closer to virtual18:25
jjohansen..18:25
apwwe proabally need to spread the knowledge of how one tests these kerenls18:25
jjohansenthat would be great18:26
bjf[TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?18:26
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?18:26
apwjust a ...18:26
manjo..18:26
bjfi have something as well ...18:26
apwgentle reminder to keep you work items up to date, TODO, DONE or INPREFRESS18:26
apw..18:26
manjo.. ..18:26
apwmanjo, do you have something?18:27
bjfI'll be on holiday starting next week to the end of the year except for next thuesday18:27
manjono I don't18:27
amitkbjf: me too18:27
apwtue or thu?18:27
bjfi'll run the meeting next week, do we need meetings after next week18:28
bjftuesday18:28
apwthe next alpha is only a month away, so i guess we need to keep on top18:28
apwso if you could remind us next week to select a victim to replace you18:28
apw..18:28
bjfok, we'll deal with it next week18:29
ogasawara_many might be away on the 22nd due to the close proximity to xmas18:29
apwbah such lazyness will not be tollerated18:29
bjfthanks everyone18:29
bjf#endmeeting18:29
MootBotMeeting finished at 12:29.18:29
ogasawara_heh18:29
apwbjf thanx18:29
amitkbye18:29
manjocya18:29
smbtabye18:29
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