[00:00] <dailystruggle> greg-g:I agree to help the people in need
[00:01] <duanedesign> dailystruggle: hello
[00:01] <dailystruggle> I am learning new .ogg embedding techniques
[00:01] <elky> dailystruggle, how have you integrated with the beginners team?
[00:01] <duanedesign> dailystruggle: screencasts!!
[00:01] <dailystruggle> duanedesign:hi
[00:02] <nixternal> anyone here to provide any testimonials for dailystruggle?
[00:02] <dailystruggle> elky:I am trying to start a new user experience team we had a meeting last saturday on it
[00:02] <duanedesign> dailystruggle:http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/
[00:03] <elky> dailystruggle, that's not what I asked.
[00:03] <duanedesign> oh wait pleia2 beat me too it
[00:03]  * duanedesign didnt realize this was a meeting. sorry
[00:04] <technoviking> duanedesign: no harm no foul
[00:04] <dailystruggle> elky : no I have not its just forming and lots of work it sounds like I should
[00:05] <elky> dailystruggle, i think a lot of what you do can be integrated well with both the screencasts team and the beginners team. im perplexed as to why you're off reinventing the wheel for it all.
[00:05] <dailystruggle> elky it is my intention of integration as much as posible
[00:06] <dailystruggle> elky : not trying to reinvent the wheel just hoping to help the wheel roll
[00:07] <elky> dailystruggle, that's much easier when you embrace teamwork. it also helps to centralise things rather than scattering them all over the intarwebs which is not helpful to new users in any way, shape or form.
[00:07] <pleia2> [VOTE] dailystruggle for Membership
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[00:07] <dailystruggle> elky: I agree
[00:07] <nixternal> dailystruggle: some of the bug triage you ahve done is pretty good....do you have any aspirations of becoming a developer any time soon?
[00:08] <nixternal> err
[00:08] <nixternal> +1
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[00:08] <technoviking> -1 for me
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[00:08] <nixternal> lots of good bug work, should have made it more public here
[00:08] <dailystruggle> nixternal:only a hope
[00:08] <pleia2> I'd really like to see more integration with existing teams
[00:08] <pleia2> (as has been mentioned)
[00:08] <elky> +0 would like to see evidence of integration
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[00:09] <greg-g> +0 # I would prefer to see more work with existing teams instead of separate. When you do that, come back!
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[00:09] <popey> dailystruggle: I'd be interested in talking to you about the screencast team
[00:09] <dailystruggle> popey: that sound great
[00:09] <greg-g> dailystruggle: popey is a great resource for screencasts :)
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[00:10] <elky> i'm sure the beginners team would love to hear from you too
[00:10] <pleia2> dailystruggle: I'd suggest dropping a note to the beginners team too :)
[00:10] <dailystruggle> I have so much material its not funny
[00:10] <popey> dailystruggle: popey@ubuntu.com - drop me a mail
[00:10] <dvz-> dailystruggle: we'd love to have you around in the Beginner's Team
[00:10] <itnet7> dailystruggle: you have done a good job so far, look forward to seeing what you can do with the teams!!
[00:10] <duanedesign> dailystruggle: i am interested in screencasts as well
[00:10] <tenach> dailystruggle: #ubuntu-beginners
[00:11] <dailystruggle> popey:thanks
[00:11] <pleia2> dailystruggle: great work so far, please come back to a for membership meeting in a couple months :)
[00:11] <nixternal> next? we need to speed this process up...to much white space in time
[00:12] <hollman_> nixternal> next? we need to speed this process up...to much white space in time ---> +1
[00:12] <greg-g> FFEMTcJ: please introduce yourself.
[00:12] <FFEMTcJ> My wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristopherJohnston
[00:12] <FFEMTcJ> My name is Chris Johnston. I'm from Florida. I am a FireFighter / Paramedic offline. I have been using Ubuntu for 3 years full time. I started out managing an Ubuntu server for my websites, and then very quickly began using it as a desktop.
[00:12] <FFEMTcJ> I have been running my website (http://chrisjohnston.org) for a year writing Ubuntu tutorials for both server and desktop users. Recently I have gotten involed in the Florida LoCo. I am currently in the bug squad and beginners team mentorship programs, am a member of the Ubuntu Community Learning Project and currently working on planning the Ubuntu User Days, which will provide live courses (hopefully on a regular basis) to new and 
[00:12] <nixternal> FFEMTcJ: I got beat up by a Chris Jonston in 1987 here in Chicago...was that you?
[00:12] <FFEMTcJ> I was 4.. You make the call
[00:12] <mhall119> maybe he's not much of a fighter
[00:12]  * nixternal shuts his mouth before the rumor mill kicks in
[00:13] <FFEMTcJ> ;-)
[00:14] <mhall119> I'm here to support FFEMTcJ, he has been helping me get a family-oriented website up for the ubuntu-florida team and has been active and helpful in our LoCo
[00:14] <FFEMTcJ> Thanks mhall119
[00:14] <nixternal> FFEMTcJ: I recently saw on IRC you explaining what your nick meant....I swore it was for membership...so bare with me here...gotta look over your wiki page and lp really quick
[00:14] <itnet7> rofl
[00:15] <nixternal> ahh, bug chan....I see you have been busy there
[00:15] <mhall119> nixternal: he was on the list last time, but time ran out
[00:15] <FFEMTcJ> nixternal: seems like I explain it every other day.. so no idea when
[00:15] <c0rtex> Please, *please* speed the process... we're all waiting.
[00:15] <FFEMTcJ> Most common question: How do you pronounce FFEMTcJ
[00:15] <nixternal> FFEMTcJ: how long have you been bug triaging?
[00:15] <c0rtex> speed up*
[00:16] <FFEMTcJ> nixternal: about a month...
[00:16] <nixternal> really? you have some good input in the reports
[00:16] <itnet7> FFEMTcJ: has been really getting involved with the team, I look forward to what he is going to do in the future
[00:16] <nixternal> seems you might have a knack for it
[00:16] <FFEMTcJ> ty
[00:16] <FFEMTcJ> uh oh.. the boss is talking about me.. itnet7 :-P
[00:16] <mhall119> hey boredandblogging!
[00:17] <nixternal> OH!!!
[00:17] <nixternal> I remember the FFEMTcJ explanation...it was UDS over the intertubes when I was listening in
[00:17] <FFEMTcJ> nixternal: that would be another place..
[00:17] <FFEMTcJ> hehe
[00:17] <technoviking> FFEMTcJ: What are your plans during the Lucid cycle
[00:17] <nixternal> you were explaining it to pleia2 iirc :P
[00:18] <FFEMTcJ> Lucid Plans: Start a local Ubuntu Hour (hoping the first one will be next Monday), Ubuntu User Days, Finish mentorship in BeginnersTeam and BugSquad.
[00:18] <FFEMTcJ> nixternal: sounds about right
[00:18] <pleia2> yeah, FFEMTcJ did loads of remote participation at UDS
[00:18] <nixternal> groovy
[00:18] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: couldnt talk the wife into letting me go :-(
[00:18] <pleia2> FFEMTcJ: how long have you been involved directly with projects in the Ubuntu community?
[00:19] <FFEMTcJ> Joined the LoCo in Sept.. Started geting involved with projects in October...
[00:19] <mhall119> FFEMTcJ is also going to help me launch family.ubuntu-fl.org, I'll hold him to it
[00:19] <cprofitt> FFEMTcJ -- I understand not being able to go to things...
[00:19] <technoviking> FFEMTcJ: excellent
[00:19] <FFEMTcJ> Forgot about that mhall119 ...
[00:19] <mhall119> I didn't
[00:20] <FFEMTcJ> cprofitt: ;-)
[00:20] <itnet7> all of the things that FFEMTcJ has said he will start or do he has followed through
[00:20] <mhall119> his blog is also syndicated on planet.ubuntu-fl.org
[00:21] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: does your wiki still mention that you participated remotely in UDS for Lucid?
[00:21] <greg-g> itnet7: thanks for that
[00:22] <FFEMTcJ> Pendulum: I guess not.. it says that I volunteered for UUD at UDS-L.. :-x
[00:22] <pleia2> [Vote] FFEMTcJ for Membership
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[00:22] <nixternal> +1
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[00:22] <technoviking> +1
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[00:22] <technoviking> great work
[00:22] <FFEMTcJ> Thanks technoviking
[00:23] <greg-g> +1 # plus I know itnet7 and mhall119 will keep you active in the loco :)
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[00:23] <pleia2> +1 keep up the great work
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[00:23] <FFEMTcJ> greg-g: I think thats a threat from them
[00:23] <itnet7> congratulations FFEMTcJ !! greg-g you know we will ;-P
[00:23] <elky> +1
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[00:23] <pleia2> [ENDVOTE]
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[00:23] <czam> FFEMTcJ congrats ;)
[00:23] <mhall119> congrats FFEMTcJ
[00:23] <Michelle_Qimo> congratulations, FFEMTcJ!!
[00:23] <FFEMTcJ> Thanks everyone
[00:23] <Michelle_Qimo> :-)
[00:23] <technoviking> Congrats
[00:23] <pleia2> welcome FFEMTcJ :)
[00:23] <akgraner> FFEMTcJ, Congrats!
[00:23] <cprofitt> Congrats FFEMTcJ
[00:23] <greg-g> congrats
[00:23] <itnet7> sorry elky thought it was in the bag
[00:23] <govatent> go FFEMTcJ
[00:24] <zoopster> woohoo FFEMTcJ!
[00:24] <nixternal> congrats and welcome FFEMTcJ \o//
[00:24] <nixternal> oops. 2 arms
[00:24] <pleia2> zoopster: you're up :)
[00:24] <_marx_> congrats FFEMTcJ
[00:24] <zoopster> Hi, I'm John Pugh, my wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/jpugh
[00:24] <greg-g> oh no, zoopster
[00:24] <nixternal> uh oh, it's zoopster
[00:24] <zoopster> Otherwise known as zoopster, a long time linux user, started with Slackware in the late '90s, closet Ubuntu user from 2007 until last year (worked for Novell), and now a official full time Ubuntu user since 8.04.
[00:24] <cprofitt> zoopster: we have the same shirt :-
[00:25] <zoopster> geez..that's a great start!
[00:25] <nixternal> haha, closet ubuntu user :P
[00:25] <zoopster> and it was FRIGID in that room that day, too
[00:25] <nixternal> I was a closet Kubuntu user while working at MS, so I know the feeling :)
[00:26] <Michelle_Qimo> zoopster & I have worked together on some loco event organization, and I don't know if my opinion counts for diddly, but he's a great guy and a terrific asset to the community.
[00:26] <mhall119> zoopster pretty much got me started in the Florida LoCo through his Tampa meetups
[00:26] <cprofitt> I am impressed reading the presentations you have given zoopster
[00:26] <greg-g> Michelle_Qimo: you're opinion is welcomed, thank you
[00:26] <zoopster> thanks everyone for the kind words
[00:26] <akgraner> zoopster, has always been eager to help with community events (OSCON ubuntu booth and ALF UbuCon)
[00:26] <technoviking> zoopster: my legs are still sore from walking around Barcelona:)
[00:27] <zoopster> I like to present so advocacy is what I enjoy...
[00:27] <zoopster> we did some walking around Barcelona...that's for sure.
[00:27] <cprofitt> zoopster: so same shirt, you like to present,... are you a Buccaneers fan like I am too?
[00:27] <greg-g> zoopster: so, you like giving presentations I see, do you have any future plans for presenting at conferences/etc?
[00:27] <zoopster> cprofitt: uh...I'll plead the fifth on that one
[00:27] <boredandblogging> zoopster knew all the good places in Barcelona
[00:28] <zoopster> greg-g: yes...at Lotusphere in Jan and I have presentations lined up at a few cloud conferences in the spring
[00:29] <pleia2> [VOTE] zoopster for Membership
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[00:29] <nixternal> +1
[00:29] <pleia2> +1
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[00:29] <technoviking> +1
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[00:29] <greg-g> +1 # great resource to the community, thanks for your work
[00:29] <technoviking> great body of work
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[00:29] <pleia2> [ENDVOTE]
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[00:29] <nixternal> congrats and welcome zoopster \o/
[00:29] <Michelle_Qimo> congratulations, zoopster!
[00:29] <pleia2> congrats zoopster :)
[00:29] <govatent> HURRAY FOR zoopster!
[00:29] <zoopster> awesome! thanks everyone!!!
[00:29] <greg-g> congrats zoopster
[00:29] <dvz-> grats zoopster
[00:29] <akgraner> congrats zoopster !!!
[00:29] <technoviking> conrats zoopster
[00:30] <swoody> Congrats zoopster :)
[00:30] <technoviking> congrats zoopster
[00:30] <nixternal> IngForigua: your turn
[00:30] <IngForigua> hello everyone
[00:30] <IngForigua> Hello my name is Diego Armando Forigua (IngForigua), I am electronic engineer, I'm using Linux since 2004, I have used distros like openSUSE, mandriva, redhat, debian, gentoo, archlinux, etc. I'm member of the council of ubuntu Colombia where I lead several projects https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-co-council, I support events, help translating to Spanish, support via IRC, mailing lists and Launchpad. This is my wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ingforigu
[00:31] <IngForigua> In Ubuntu Colombia Council, I want to spread Ubuntu throughout Colombia and Latin America, I hope that our local team involved more actively writing translating documentation, open week in UGJ
[00:31] <IngForigua> visit the wiki of the council, the main mission is to spread the 4 subprojects, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-co-proyectos
[00:31] <IngForigua> Ubuntu Colombia and National University, started the repository server, http://matematicas.unal.edu.co/ubuntu/dists/
[00:31] <IngForigua> Ubuntu Colombia and National University, started the repository server, http://matematicas.unal.edu.co/ubuntu/dists/ and more events
[00:31] <IngForigua> soory
[00:32] <greg-g> np
[00:32] <nixternal> hehe
[00:32] <IngForigua> My plans for ubuntu 10.04 are: Spanish translations. bug reports, promotion in  Flisol 2010 http://www.flisol.info/ and more events
[00:32] <technoviking> IngForigua: excellent
[00:32] <greg-g> IngForigua: looks like a great plan
[00:32] <nixternal> already working on translations i see...that's awesome
[00:33] <hollman_> Hello I'm Hollman Enciso, the Ubuntu-co leader, and I really support IngForigua , hes and excellent support in the council, mailing list and IRC
[00:33] <czam> ingforigua is the most active member of the council ubuntu-co, helping at events and in support.
[00:33] <hollman_> ohh and a great support in Answers - Launchpad
[00:33] <c0rtex> Yes, I agree with hollman_
[00:33] <nixternal> hollman_ and czam, thanks!
[00:33] <nixternal> and c0rtex :)
[00:34] <greg-g> IngForigua: Do you have any ideas for improvements to any teams you are a part of?
[00:34] <c0rtex> IngForigua really deserves being a member
[00:34] <greg-g> thanks, hollman_ , czam
[00:34] <nixternal> ooh, arduino fan I see
[00:34]  * nixternal hugs his arduinos
[00:35] <IngForigua> I have many ideas to organize monthly meetings with each of the teams lainoamerica
[00:35] <IngForigua> give workshops
[00:35] <IngForigua> give support
[00:35] <greg-g> good deal
[00:35] <pleia2> [VOTE] IngForigua for Membership
[00:36] <MootBot> Please vote on:  IngForigua for Membership.
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[00:36] <IngForigua> arduino is a openhardware very very good
[00:36] <nixternal> +1
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[00:36] <pleia2> +1
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[00:36] <greg-g> +1 # keep of the great work, IngForigua
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[00:36] <boredandblogging> +1
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[00:36] <technoviking> +1
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[00:36] <pleia2> [ENDVOTE]
[00:36] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[00:36] <czam> Congrats IngForigua :)
[00:36] <pleia2> congrats and welcome IngForigua :)
[00:36] <mhall119> congrats
[00:36] <IngForigua> thanks :)
[00:36] <Michelle_Qimo> congrats, IngForigua
[00:36] <greg-g> congrats IngForigua
[00:36] <nixternal> congrats and welcome IngForigua \o/
[00:36] <czam> Felicitaciones :D
[00:36] <dvz-> grats IngForigua !
[00:36] <akgraner> IngForigua,  Congrats!!! \O/
[00:36] <hollman_> IngForigua, Felicitaciones sinceras de mi parte  !!!!
[00:36] <IngForigua> gracias amigos
[00:37] <IngForigua> :)
[00:37] <c0rtex> felicitaciones IngForigua, me alegra mucho parce!
[00:37]  * nixternal hugs his Massimo Banzi autographed Arduino 
[00:37] <pleia2> robbiew: you're up :)
[00:37] <hollman_> now, czam I hope you also approve :D
[00:37] <nixternal> robbiew -1 :p
[00:37] <robbiew> heh
[00:37] <robbiew> hi all
[00:37] <robbiew> My name is Robbie Williamson (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobbieWilliamson)
[00:37] <nixternal> I can do that on IRC, as I think he is the only person in the community bigger than I :)
[00:38] <robbiew> I've been using Ubuntu for over 5 years
[00:38] <robbiew> first when I worked for the Linux Technology Center within IBM
[00:38] <nixternal> robbiew: what made you decide to finally go for membership as you have been around for a while now?
[00:38] <robbiew> jono busted my chops
[00:38] <robbiew> lol
[00:38] <nixternal> haha
[00:38] <pleia2> hehe
[00:39] <akgraner> haha
[00:39] <greg-g> robbiew: I assume I can find the answer to my "what are some specific improvements you would like to see" by just looking at your subscribed/assigned blueprints, eh? :)
[00:39] <robbiew> ;)
[00:39] <robbiew> that and then some
[00:39] <robbiew> I just kept putting it off, tbh
[00:39] <robbiew> you know...I'll get to that....but first let me check on boot
[00:40] <greg-g> hah
[00:40] <robbiew> I did manage to get my little cups-bjnp project off the ground
[00:40] <robbiew> so I can print to my Canon network printer
[00:40] <robbiew> stupid proprietary network printing protocol
[00:40] <nixternal> hehe
[00:40] <robbiew> when I'm not working like a slave for canonical
[00:41] <pleia2> [VOTE] robbiew for Membership
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[00:41] <robbiew> I've been trying to help get the Texas Loco off the floor
[00:41] <nixternal> +1
[00:41] <pleia2> +1
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[00:41] <technoviking> +1
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[00:41] <greg-g> +1 # great work
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[00:41] <boredandblogging> +1
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[00:41] <nixternal> congrats and welcome robbiew \o/
[00:41] <pleia2> congrats robbiew :)
[00:41] <robbiew> :*)
[00:41] <akgraner> Congrats robbiew !!
[00:41] <nixternal> haha
[00:42] <Michelle_Qimo> congrats robbiew
[00:42] <robbiew> you like me....you really like me!
[00:42] <dvz-> grats robbiew !
[00:42] <robbiew> thanks all
[00:42] <czam> congrats :D
[00:42] <nixternal> rickspencer3: your turn
[00:42]  * robbiew returns to cracking to whip on this 10sec boot time
[00:42] <pleia2> woohoo
[00:42] <nixternal> go go go
[00:42] <rickspencer3> hehe
[00:42] <rickspencer3> hi guys
[00:42] <rickspencer3> I am Rick Spencer
[00:43] <technoviking> I bet we can do this Quickly
[00:43] <rickspencer3> here's my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RickSpencer
[00:43] <rickspencer3> I've been using Ubuntu since Warty, and I've been the engineering manager for the desktop team since Jaunty
[00:43] <nixternal> well, let me just say... rickspencer3 is my Canonical hero... he is working really hard with getting us all (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) to love one another and work together....plus he is one of the key people of getting the Kubuntu Netbook Remix off the ground
[00:43] <nixternal> technoviking: har har
[00:44]  * mhall119 wonders if nixternal can lose his membership over puns like that
[00:44] <greg-g> technoviking: nice :)
[00:44] <rickspencer3> well, I won't take credit for Kubunt Netbook
[00:44] <rickspencer3> but am happy to have been part of that
[00:44] <nixternal> well you allowed a couple of us to concentrate on development without having to waste resources looking for other stuff :)
[00:44] <rickspencer3> hehe
[00:45] <akgraner> rickspencer3, is awesome - he even puts up with my where's my (insert animal here) on the wallpaper each cycle....
[00:45] <robbiew> lol
[00:45] <jono> we all love rickspencer3 :)
[00:45] <nixternal> rickspencer3: and we even have upstream working hand-in-hand with us :)  you can't beat that
[00:45] <jono> and robbiew
[00:45] <rickspencer3> lol
[00:45] <jono> but not pgraner
[00:45] <rickspencer3> jono, you liar
[00:45] <jono> :P
[00:45] <robbiew> ha!
[00:45] <pleia2> hah
[00:45] <jono> I love pgraner :)
[00:45] <maco> hhaha
[00:45] <akgraner> jono, glad you do!
[00:45] <rickspencer3> well, my community contributions include Quickly, of course
[00:45] <rickspencer3> I'
[00:45] <rickspencer3> ve also been working on a project called bughugger
[00:46] <nixternal> what is Quickly? never heard of it :p
[00:46] <pleia2> [VOTE] rickspencer3 for Membership
[00:46] <MootBot> Please vote on:  rickspencer3 for Membership.
[00:46] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[00:46] <nixternal> +1
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:46] <pleia2> +1
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:46] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 3 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:46] <greg-g> +1 # awesome work, especially the community interaction
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:46] <technoviking> +1
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from technoviking. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:46] <dvz-> wow...the meeting just warped into lightspeed, captain.
[00:46] <rickspencer3> hehe
[00:46] <czam> congrats :D
[00:46] <rickspencer3> gone to plaid
[00:46] <nixternal> congrats and welcome rickspencer3 \o/
[00:47] <robbiew> spaceballs humor
[00:47] <akgraner> Congrats rickspencer3 \o/ that went quickly....
[00:47] <rickspencer3> chouette!
[00:47] <mhall119> congrats rickspencer3
[00:47] <Michelle_Qimo> congrats rickspencer3
[00:47] <jono> congrats :)
[00:47] <rickspencer3> thanks all
[00:47] <maco> congrats
[00:47] <rickspencer3> just in time too
[00:47]  * robbiew didn't get congrats from jono....makes note of that
[00:47]  * rickspencer3 needs to take care of kids
[00:47] <nixternal> haha
[00:47] <hollman_> czam, come on .. our big member (ubuntu-co ) :D
[00:47] <robbiew> ditto
[00:47] <jono> robbiew, sorry wasnt looking, sir
[00:47] <ScottK> Here I am, just too late.
[00:47] <robbiew> uh huh
[00:47] <greg-g> one second please, we are still wating on one vote
[00:48] <nixternal> czam: seriously, Carlos Zambrano is my favorite baseball pither! GO CUBS!!! :)
[00:48] <pleia2> fols, just a reminder - voting is for americas board only (we keep having a private vote not from a member of the board)
[00:48] <pleia2> folks too
[00:48]  * robbiew has to run...thanks all
[00:48] <nixternal> thanks robbiew_ !
[00:49] <rickspencer3> bye robbiew_
[00:49] <akgraner> bye robbiew_
[00:49] <ScottK> congrats rickspencer3
[00:49] <rickspencer3> thanks ScottK
[00:49] <akgraner> jono better say bye to him... just sayin'
[00:49] <jono> by robbiew_
[00:49] <jono> :)
[00:49] <rickspencer3> is voting over?
[00:49] <rickspencer3> I only see that were 5 more me :/
[00:49] <pleia2> waiting on one more
[00:49] <nixternal> for you it is you silly ubuntu member you :p
[00:50] <nixternal> oh, someone fell off the face of the earth it seems
[00:50] <nixternal> boredandbloggi-1: just do a +1
[00:50] <pleia2> hehe
[00:50] <boredandbloggi-1> +1
[00:50] <MootBot> +1 received from boredandbloggi-1. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:50] <mhall119> lol
[00:50] <nixternal> hehe
[00:50] <pleia2> [ENDVOTE]
[00:50] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[00:50] <pleia2> there we go :)
[00:50] <rickspencer3> lol
[00:51] <pleia2> czam: you're up!
[00:51] <greg-g> alright, officially congrats, rickspencer3
[00:51] <greg-g> :)
[00:51] <czam> Hi Everyone  :D   this is my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/czam
[00:51] <czam> My name is Carlos Andres Zambrano, mi nickname is czam, I'm a GNU/Linux User since 2004, I've tested Ututo, Mandriva and Debian, but Since 2007 I've used Ubuntu, I love Ubuntu :)
[00:51] <czam> I'm very active in the Colombian Loco Team https://launchpad.net/~carlos.zambrano
[00:51] <czam> I've spend a lot of time in IRC channel (#ubuntu-co #ubuntu-uy and #ubuntu-es), giving support and teaching others
[00:52] <czam> I've participated in many translations in launchpad and in guides, also support in answers from spanish and english.
[00:52] <hollman> I'm very active in the Colombian Loco Team ----> absolutely +1 to czam
[00:52] <czam> I am participating in a project called zoociedad for a free wireless network to help the community, for the services is being used Ubuntu server.
[00:52] <czam> Currently I'm working as a Network Administrator, Moving the company to Ubuntu 8.04LTS ;) ,
[00:53] <czam> My future plans: I would like to integrate more teams to Latin America, to grow the Ubuntu community
[00:53]  * nixternal wonders if the goals of south america include "making every citizen an ubuntu member"
[00:53] <czam> Continue contributing with Ubuntu, become in an oficial translator into spanish and in bug report. organize local events and integrate into the community
[00:54] <czam> and y would like to help local schools to implement edubuntu with LSTP
[00:54] <mhall119> nixternal: should be the goal of every continent, no?
[00:54]  * itnet7 itnet7 thinks SA is on their way!!
[00:54] <nixternal> good point, but south america is actually doing it I think :)
[00:54] <IngForigua> czam is my best friend, works for ubuntu rather, his translations and his answers are best, he is perfect candidate
[00:54] <mhall119> nixternal: Florida is doing it's part tonight
[00:54] <nixternal> woohoo!
[00:56] <pleia2> czam: how long have you been working in the ubuntu community?
[00:56] <czam> pleia2, I've been working since 2007 when I started with feisty
[00:57] <pleia2> great :)
[00:57] <hollman> czam is currently a great member of our community, with ingforigua have been in much of our events and have been the protagonists ... excellent speakers etc ...
[00:57] <pleia2> [VOTE] czam for Membership
[00:57] <MootBot> Please vote on:  czam for Membership.
[00:57] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[00:57] <greg-g> great list of contributions, czam
[00:57] <pleia2> great work czam, great wiki page, great testimonials!
[00:57] <pleia2> +1
[00:57] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:57] <technoviking> +1
[00:57] <MootBot> +1 received from technoviking. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:57] <greg-g> +1
[00:57] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:58] <nixternal> +1
[00:58] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:58] <nixternal> sorry
[00:58] <nixternal> had to let the dog out
[00:58] <boredandblogging> +1
[00:58] <MootBot> +1 received from boredandblogging. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:59] <pleia2> [ENDVOTE]
[00:59] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[00:59] <nixternal> congrats and welcome czam \o/
[00:59] <pleia2> congrats czam :)
[00:59] <greg-g> congrats czam!
[00:59]  * czam feels so happy :D
[00:59] <pleia2> Michelle_Qimo: you're up!
[00:59] <MagicFab> Bravo czam :) glad you made it
[00:59] <dvz-> grats czam !
[00:59] <Michelle_Qimo> Hi everyone!  I'm Michelle, my wiki is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Michelle_Qimo_4_Kids
[00:59] <kuadrosx> felicitaciones czam
[00:59] <hollman> czam good job Ubuntu-co rocks !!!!
[00:59] <itnet7> good job czam congrats!!
[00:59]  * MagicFab serves Aguardiente del Valle :D
[00:59] <czam> MagicFab, hollman, kuadrosx, inet7, dvz-, gracias :D
[00:59] <akgraner> czam,  congrats!!!
[01:00] <hollman> ahora si me voy a celebrar por czam e IngForigua  ...
[01:00] <IngForigua> Exclente
[01:00] <IngForigua> viva colombia
[01:01] <Michelle_Qimo> Thanks for having me, everyone.  I'm Michelle, and mhall119 and I run Qimo & our local charity, QuinnCo.
[01:01] <govatent> I would like to say that Michelle_Qimo does a great job in our loco and the project she works on.
[01:01] <govatent> projects*
[01:01] <itnet7> Michelle_Qimo has been instrumental in organizing and leading build days for various people in need, where she provides the Machines, Monitors, and Mice to them through Quinnco
[01:02] <FFEMTcJ> Michelle_Qimo might as well be the Florida LoCo Team mom.. She hosted 57 of us at her house for our Karmic Release/Team Birthday party, as well as being very active on IRC.
[01:02] <nixternal> 57 in a house for a party? holy smokes
[01:02] <govatent> I second FFEMTcJ
[01:02] <greg-g> wow, 57 people for a party? you rock
[01:02] <Michelle_Qimo> yep, 57 of us
[01:02] <zoopster> Michelle_Qimo cracks the whip in the FL Loco - she rocks and makes a mean lasagna
[01:02] <Michelle_Qimo> mostly families, it was amazing
[01:02] <mhall119> nixternal: mostly in the back yard, thankfully the weather cooperated
[01:02] <greg-g> I would be completely overwhelmed
[01:02] <govatent> yup. we had lots of ubuntu stuff going on. it was fun
[01:02] <FFEMTcJ> Ya'll should have seen all the cookies!
[01:02] <akgraner> Michelle_Qimo, rocks!!
[01:03] <Michelle_Qimo> The team is amazing, and I'm blessed to call them my friends.
[01:03] <dvz-> can we have her make each loco a batch of Ubuntu Logo Shaped cookies?
[01:03] <govatent> and yes, she makes great cookies
[01:03] <dvz-> :-P
[01:03] <Michelle_Qimo> dvz-: come to a party, I'll make you a cookie
[01:03] <maco> dvz-: is called the Circle of Friends
[01:03] <nixternal> "My dreams and aspirations are to encourage more families to become involved with the Loco as a whole."   <- I think that is an awesome goal
[01:03] <zoopster> dvz-: watch out..she will do it.
[01:03] <mhall119> nixternal: of the 57 people, only 22 were techies, Michelle_Qimo got the rest of their families involved
[01:03] <govatent> she does a great job reaching that goal i would say.
[01:03] <dvz-> maco: i know, i had visions of a cookie cutter..o.O
[01:03] <crashsystems> Michelle_Qimo is an awesome part of the Florida loco team. She brings a set of skills to the group that are very much needed (organization, english-fu, just to name a few).
[01:03] <maco> Michelle_Qimo: pssst tell them what you told us today in #ubuntu-women
[01:03] <Michelle_Qimo> maco - which/
[01:03] <nixternal> great testimonials, great contributions, great set of future goals
[01:03] <Michelle_Qimo> ?
[01:04] <maco> Michelle_Qimo: about all the machines you were delivering today
[01:04] <greg-g> wow, these are great testimonials, Michelle_Qimo. Both on your wiki and here tonight.
[01:04] <Michelle_Qimo> Aah!  Just took delivery of 50 new computers
[01:04] <maco> dvz-: i would *love* a CoF cookie cutter
[01:04] <Michelle_Qimo> going to seniors in high school, going to college with a new computer
[01:04] <nixternal> ooh, that would be cool maco
[01:04] <mhall119> with Ubuntu on them
[01:04] <pleia2> [VOTE] Michelle_Qimo for Membership
[01:04] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Michelle_Qimo for Membership.
[01:04] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:04] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:05] <pleia2> +1
[01:05] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:05] <boredandblogging> +1
[01:05] <MootBot> +1 received from boredandblogging. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:05] <greg-g> +1 # no reservations
[01:05] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:05] <pleia2> now I want cookies
[01:05] <greg-g> haha
[01:05] <technoviking> +1
[01:05] <MootBot> +1 received from technoviking. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:05] <Michelle_Qimo> pleia2: I'll make you a cookie, too
[01:05] <dvz-> definitely!
[01:05] <pleia2> :)
[01:05] <pleia2> Michelle_Qimo: yay!
[01:05] <IdleOne> !cookie | pleia2
[01:05] <mhall119> pleia2: I'm sure there will be cookies at the women's get together yall are planning
[01:05] <itnet7> lol pleia2 ! Don't say that she will make you a care package !!
[01:05] <pleia2> itnet7: hehe
[01:06] <Michelle_Qimo> I will!
[01:06] <akgraner> pleia2, I want cookies now too....:-/
[01:06] <nixternal> +1
[01:06] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[01:06] <pleia2> [ENDVOTE]
[01:06] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[01:06] <govatent> CONGRATS COOKIES LADY!!!!!! ( Michelle_Qimo )
[01:06] <FFEMTcJ> Flordia LoCo representing tonight! 3 new members!
[01:06] <pleia2> congrats and welcome Michelle_Qimo :)
[01:06] <nixternal> oops, I didn't see you kick off the votes
[01:06] <mhall119> yay Michelle_Qimo!
[01:06] <Michelle_Qimo> Thanks guys!
[01:06] <nixternal> I was looking at Ubuntu Cookies :)
[01:06] <pleia2> hehe
[01:06] <nixternal> congrats and welcome Michelle_Qimo \o/
[01:06] <FFEMTcJ> lol nixternal
[01:06] <dvz-> grats Michelle_Qimo !
[01:06]  * MagicFab hugs Michelle_Qimo 
[01:06] <cprofitt> congrats Michelle_Qimo
[01:06] <boredandblogging> Michelle_Qimo: keep up the great work!
[01:06] <itnet7> Congratulations!!!!
[01:06]  * maco hugs Michelle_Qimo
[01:06] <nixternal> holy smokes...I made Tuna Casserole and it smells so good..it is calling my name...one more to go!
[01:06] <akgraner> Michelle_Qimo, congrats.....
[01:06] <Michelle_Qimo> *squee!*
[01:06] <greg-g> congrats Michelle_Qimo
[01:07] <dvz-> tuna casserole?!  *drools*
[01:07] <dvz-> can i have some?
[01:07] <dvz-> :-D
[01:07] <pleia2> dvz-: you're up :)
[01:07] <dvz-> I'm digitalvectorz (dvz-). Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/digitalvectorz
[01:07] <FFEMTcJ> dvz-: your supposed to bribe them, not them bribe you
[01:07] <dvz-> I'm a recent college grad with a b.s. in math and programming.  I've programming on and off since around 12 y/o and have been using linux since sophomore year in college - 2007.
[01:07] <dvz-> I've been a full-time ubuntu since 8.04.  I'm an active part of the Beginner's Team and the Development focus group, as well as a member of the Ohio LoCo/NE Ohio ReLoCo.
[01:07] <dvz-> Plans during the 10.04 - Breaking it. (debugging, triaging within my abilities, bug jam)
[01:07] <dvz-> Currently in the process of setting up the 10.04 global bug jam event with the NEOhio Reloco at my alma mater, exposing the ACM club and those on the west side of Cleveland to ubuntu/linux.
[01:08] <greg-g> uh oh, Ohio? I'm not sure if I can vote for you, I work at the U of Michigan ;)
[01:08] <dvz-> greg-g: I don't go to OSU :-P
[01:08] <greg-g> ahh, good deal then
[01:09] <itnet7> lol greg-g
[01:09] <dvz-> ;-)
[01:09] <nixternal> GO BLUE!
[01:09] <nixternal> oops, didn't mean to say that out loud
[01:09] <dvz-> but greg-g , in the ubuntu community, we're all family :D
[01:10] <greg-g> so, you have a solid programming background, any thoughts on MOTU participation?
[01:10] <greg-g> dvz-: that is very very true :)
[01:10]  * nixternal has fond memories of OLF last year where a guy screamed GO BLUE! at OSU for a Pumpkin donut
[01:10] <pleia2> nixternal will do anything for a donut
[01:10] <pleia2> oh, some guy :)
[01:10] <dvz-> greg-g: I'd like to get myself to the point of getting involved with MOTU...at this point, I'm still breaking the internals of linux ...but eventually, that's a short term goal
[01:11] <nixternal> pleia2: ya, but that still holds true for me though :)
[01:11] <nixternal> dvz-: since you are a hacker, you could always help with upstream code too :)
[01:12]  * nixternal notes to anyone listening/watching - you do not need to know how to code in order to do packaging
[01:12] <pleia2> dvz-: what events have you participated in with the ohio team?
[01:12] <dvz-> nixternal: i'm always interested in learning about whatever code necessary, whether it be hacking at it, trying to break for security, or just developing...it's all an art and an interest
[01:12] <nixternal> awesome!
[01:13] <dvz-> pleia2: october, paultag introduced the reloco idea, which made it more feasable for me to actually participate with the loco, and after that we had the bugjam for karmic at paul's uni
[01:13] <nixternal> groovy testimonials
[01:13] <itnet7> you have done some really good work so far dvz- !
[01:13] <dvz-> i attended that, and then attended an ubuntu hour we had here about a month ago?
[01:13] <dvz-> thanks itnet7 :-)
[01:15] <technoviking> I must go, sorry, but +1 from me
[01:15] <dvz-> thanks technoviking
[01:15] <greg-g> I may have missed this, but how long have you been directly participating with Ubuntu community teams?
[01:15] <nixternal> vote!
[01:15] <nixternal> greg-g: I see over a year in various areas
[01:15] <greg-g> cool
[01:15] <Renard_D-Argent> I am here to support dvz-.  He does a wonderful job with ubuntu beginners team. He is a true asset to the team
[01:16] <dvz-> greg-g: i stumbled in the beginners team dev around may 08
[01:16] <technoviking> night all
[01:16] <itnet7> gnight technoviking
[01:16] <nixternal> doh...browser just crashed
[01:16] <nixternal> g'nite technoviking
[01:16] <pleia2> [VOTE] dvz- for Membership
[01:16] <MootBot> Please vote on:  dvz- for Membership.
[01:16] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:16] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:16] <nixternal> +1
[01:16] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:16] <pleia2> +1
[01:16] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:16] <greg-g> +1
[01:16] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:16] <nixternal> boredandblogging: ?
[01:16] <itnet7> +1 # on technoviking's behalf
[01:16] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:16] <boredandblogging> +1
[01:17] <MootBot> +1 received from boredandblogging. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[01:17] <pleia2> [ENDVOTE]
[01:17] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[01:17] <nixternal> congrats and welcome dvz- \o/
[01:17] <pleia2> congrats and welcome dvz- :)
[01:17] <dvz-> thanks everyone :-)
[01:17] <nixternal> heh
[01:17] <Michelle_Qimo> congrats dvz-!
[01:17] <akgraner> dvz-, congrats!!  :-)
[01:17] <itnet7> congratulations dvz- !!!
[01:17] <greg-g> congrats dvz-
[01:17] <IknowEverything> !ops
[01:17] <Toluxero> congratz dvz-
[01:17] <nixternal> IknowEverything: why?
[01:18] <greg-g> why did you do that IknowEverything, we are in a meeting right now
[01:18] <dvz-> dank Michelle_Qimo akgraner itnet7 greg-g pleia2 nixternal Renard_D-Argent  Toluxero  :-)
[01:18] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[01:18] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:18.
[01:18] <pleia2> thanks everyone :)
[01:18] <Michelle_Qimo> Thanks again, everyone.
[01:18] <nixternal> stupid channel settings..I no longer have ops in here
[01:18] <greg-g> thanks to everyone who came out tonight!
[01:18] <nixternal> yes, thanks everyone!!!
[01:18] <nixternal> congrats to all of the new members!
[01:18] <IknowEverything> i am the mighty cytotoxic t cell
[01:18] <itnet7> thanks to all of you for hanging in and finishing up the list!!
[01:18]  * nixternal goes and eats...I will catch up in a bit
[01:18] <Toluxero> nixternal, thx
[01:19]  * mhall119 reading akgraner's tweets, nixternal really should be careful what he says around her
[01:19] <nixternal> ya, I know... I was told she is the female version of me, so her day will come!
[01:20] <akgraner> muahahaha.....
[01:20] <itnet7> lol
[01:20] <Michelle_Qimo> lol
[01:21] <greg-g> take care everyone, thanks again
[01:22] <Renard_D-Argent> Time I left also.   Bye.  Congratulations to all =]
[09:56] <freeflying> @schedule shanghai
[09:56] <freeflying> @now shanghai
[09:59] <elky> i was wondering myself
[09:59] <persia> freeflying: Next meeting is Asia/Oceania RMB in about 1 minute.
[10:00] <amachu> hi
[10:00] <freeflying> persia: sigh, got a appointment conflict, sorry about it
[10:00] <persia> Rationale for the bot having a disabled schedule is that it couldn't handle the way google calendar does repeated meetings, and the scheduling widget in the version of the CMS on the fridge was sufficiently painful to use that it didn't scale.
[10:00] <persia> freeflying: Such is life sometimes.
[10:01] <freeflying> persia: will talk to you later, sorry again :)
[10:01] <amachu> persia, elky Hi
[10:02] <amachu> lifeless, ziroday: Hello
[10:02] <elky> amachu, lifeless requires a colon after his nick if you want the ping to work
[10:02] <elky> lifeless: pingading?
[10:03] <elky> lets see that we have our candidates before we get too persistant
[10:04] <amachu> themuso, zakame, belutz aren't here today
[10:04] <lifeless> hi
[10:05] <amachu> humphreybc ?
[10:07] <elky> he's not in the channel
[10:07] <elky> the nick isnt' registered either
[10:08] <persia> Let's wait until 10 past before giving up though.
[10:08] <amachu> elky, yes.
[10:08] <elky> he's not in the -nz channel either
[10:08] <amachu> ziroday: pingggg..
[10:09] <ziroday> ziroday: pong!
[10:09] <amachu> so your first presence with all of us together..
[10:09] <amachu> isn't it?
[10:09] <ziroday> amachu: but I have a feeling you've got the wrong person :)
[10:09] <elky> amachu, you're thinking freeflying?
[10:10] <amachu> elky, yep
[10:10] <amachu> zed up little
[10:11] <elky> mind you, I think ziroday would be a perfect victi^Wcandidate for our board.
[10:11] <amachu> freeflying, hey
[10:11] <ziroday> elky: hehe
[10:11] <persia> On an unrelated note, what do others think about dropping indus from the candidate list?
[10:11] <elky> persia, i agree.
[10:11] <amachu> ya thats fair
[10:11] <persia> Perhaps with a "three months without an appearance" as a rationale?
[10:12] <ziroday> I believe he is in #ubuntu right now
[10:12] <elky> persia, he's been trying at all the RMBs anyway i believe
[10:12] <ziroday> (if this is the same indus)
[10:12] <elky> ziroday, yes, it is.
[10:12] <persia> ziroday: likely the same person, but it's been three months, so I'd want to see some preparation and anticipation, or a renewed request, rather than pulling someone out of other stuff and then asking questions like "where have you been all this time".
[10:13] <ziroday> persia: of course, I can completely understand your point of view
[10:13] <persia> (or "Do you have anyone to support you?"..."Not today: I forgot it was happening now")
[10:14] <elky> persia, agreed.
[10:14] <persia> amachu: How do you feel about that?
[10:15] <elky> in the absence of candidates (and yes, even quorum), may we discuss our board's continued world domination^W^Wexpansion?
[10:15] <persia> I'm up for that.
[10:15] <persia> (but I don't want to try to dominate too much: we already have *plenty* of timezones)
[10:16] <popey> have you all seen the mail about merging the RMB mailing lists?
[10:16] <popey> not everyone has replied
[10:16] <elky> popey, i didn't no. i like the idea though.
[10:16]  * persia is very bad about mail, and puts hunting for that on the list for real-soon-now
[10:16] <popey> thanks elky
[10:16] <amachu> persia, I agree
[10:16] <popey> nobody has voiced a negative opinion / stance on it yet
[10:17] <elky> popey, it's hard to keep up on the current practices when we never talk to each other
[10:17] <popey> exactly
[10:17] <elky> or, when talking to each other is more difficult than it needs be
[10:17] <amachu> popey, yes. I need to reply. Have opinions about it
[10:17] <persia> Aside from keeping up, it would help build consistency, and maybe avoid some of the candidates who apply to a selection of boards, etc.
[10:18] <elky> persia, well the keeping up problem is half of the consistency problem :P
[10:18] <persia> elky: Put that way, I agree.  I had previously assigned a different semantic value to "keeping up".
[10:19] <lifeless> ETMI
[10:19] <elky> i believe it'd also assist with staffing issues too. if we could know when boards are short staffed (like the americas was this morning, and this here board is now) then we can help each other out
[10:19] <elky> lifeless: i am not familiar with this acronym.
[10:19] <lifeless> elky: ERROR: Too Much Information
[10:19] <elky> haha
[10:20] <popey> sorry, didn't mean to derail your meeting/discussion, just wanted to remind everyone :)
[10:20] <elky> popey, tis fine. purposeful discussion is better than the alternative.
[10:21] <persia> popey: rather thanks for mentioning it.  Until something happens otherwise, in-meeting discussion is a lovely forum for interboard discussion.
[10:21] <lifeless> popey: meeting?
[10:21] <lifeless> :P
[10:21] <popey> i gave you two options, choose the other one :)
[10:21] <lifeless> I think we need a candidate for that
[10:21]  * lifeless returns to blowing things up; sms me if someone magically appears
[10:21] <persia> Anyway, on the domination topic: did I miss a submitted nomination that needs comment?
[10:22] <elky> mkay
[10:22] <popey> there's someone on the emea list who seems keen to be approved (Menza) have asked him if he's around and can attend your meeting if that's okay
[10:23] <popey> or are you not quorate?
[10:23] <elky> persia, nope. i propose that i will later this evening nominate someone though.
[10:23] <persia> popey: We're not entirely quorate, but we have no formal business before us today.
[10:23] <popey> ok
[10:24] <elky> popey, i could sms lifeless: but you could also make up the quorate if you want :P
[10:24] <elky> since i found out this morning that it is permitted to do so
[10:24] <popey> true :)
[10:25] <popey> menza doesn't seem to be around right now, so never mind, we (EMEA) have a meeting next week, he can wait till then
[10:25] <persia> elky: I think you should.  My memory is that we'd like to have 7-9 regularly active members on the board, and that the procedure we're using is that we accept nominations (to the ML) from any source, privately research, discuss with the candidate, etc., and then vote in a meeting to recommend the person be added to the team to the CC if we like them.
[10:26] <popey> thats what we're about to do for the EMEA board where we are a person down
[10:26] <elky> actually, i have 2 candidates in mind, so i shall commence scribing some nominations
[10:26]  * persia likes the idea of more nominations
[10:28] <amachu> persia: elky: zakame & belutz seldom turns out
[10:28] <amachu> should we do something about that?
[10:28] <persia> amachu: True, but I'm not sure we have a procedure for dropping members.
[10:29]  * elky looks to popey
[10:29] <amachu> persia, I fear we do not..
[10:29] <persia> Further, I'm not sure we really want one until we reach the point where the board is full enough that we have a nomination that would be a good replacement for one of the inactive folk, rather than being a nomination for an additional member.
[10:29] <popey> hmm, not sure about how you drop members
[10:29] <amachu> persia, but their presence or absence decide the quorum
[10:30] <popey> contact them and ask them to step down gracefully?
[10:30] <persia> OK.  Let's set up a procedure.  Here's a first pass:
[10:31] <persia> If a board member believes that another board member is insufficiently active, they may send an email to the possibly inactive board member (copying the RMB ML) asking if they wish to continue to be on the board, and whether they expect to be attending meetings in the future.
[10:31] <elky> popey, is there an RMB procedures document anywhere?
[10:31] <amachu> popey, can be done..
[10:32] <persia> Once consensus is reached on the mailing list, a request may or may not be forwarded to the CC to make any potentially necessary adjustments.
[10:32] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards is all I know of
[10:32] <persia> Does that make sense to everyone?
[10:32] <popey> that sounds reasonable, yes
[10:33] <amachu> persia, yes
[10:33] <amachu> persia, i remember we infact did that once, reminding them..
[10:34] <persia> amachu: We did remind them, but we didn't have any explicit consequences of a lack of response, etc.
[10:34] <amachu> persia, i understand
[10:35] <persia> I like elky's idea of documenting some standard procedures for things like adding members, removing members, etc.  That gives us some justification for actions, rather than leaving us liable to accusations of unfair behaviour.
[10:35] <elky> popey, do you mind carrying this to the CC? i think it's an important followup to the recent membership guideline revisit
[10:36] <lifeless> so
[10:36] <lifeless> I think some of this is unneeded
[10:36] <lifeless> See the CoC 1.1
[10:36] <lifeless> which talks about leadership / graceful step downs etc
[10:37] <lifeless> or is it a specific leadership CoC, I don't recall precisely.
[10:37] <elky> there does exist a leadership coc if that's what you're asking
[10:38] <popey> is there anything that needs carrying to the cc right now?
[10:38] <elky> but i believe it specifies what should happen, not necessarily the process by which it should happen if it is not followed (intentionally or not)
[10:39] <persia> I don't see anything in either the CoC or the LCoC that provides for handling cases where someone isn't stepping down gracefully.
[10:39] <amachu> keep discussing, will follow up from the log.. i have few minutes of work off-line..
[10:39] <popey> initially you guys need to figure out who is/isnt going to be/continue to be on your team, which is entirely internal to you for now
[10:39] <popey> persia: we (cc and loco council) have dealt with that before
[10:40] <lifeless> persia: it makes it clear whats expected, and as in any case when someone isn't doing what is expected, that should be discussed and rectified one way or another
[10:40] <popey> i would say first steps is you contact them, if they refuse to step down you discuss their terms for continuing to work on the team, and if things get messy, contact the cc
[10:40] <persia> popey: So should cases where people are protractedly absent without notice be brought to the CC as LCoC violations?
[10:40] <lifeless> persia: I don't think detailed processes help with doing it well
[10:40] <popey> persia: not initially, no. I'd say first steps is attempt to deal with it internally
[10:40] <lifeless> persia: talk to them and if they don't ack & rectify (e.g. by standing down or showing up), then yes.
[10:41] <popey> lifeless: +1
[10:41] <persia> lifeless: I agree, I just find that documented processes help avoid a perception of persecution.
[10:41] <lifeless> hell, I miss nearly 40% or so of meetings... and then show up for ones on the off tuesdays :P
[10:41] <popey> feel free to cc the cc in your mail to keep us in the loop though
[10:41] <lifeless> persia: My experience with documented processes is that they can easily become 'weapons' used to persecute...
[10:42] <persia> lifeless: But you always apologise for it, and typically respond to SMS if we need you for quorum.
[10:42] <lifeless> persia: avoiding perception is done best by being transparent and open
[10:43] <persia> lifeless: Well, it's perfectly possible to persecute someone transparently and openly, if one wishes, although that strays from the topic.
[10:43] <lifeless> :)
[10:43] <lifeless> persia: thats true, but at least then perception == reality.
[10:44] <persia> true
[10:45] <persia> Anyway, back to the matter at hand: if anyone has nominations for members, send them in.
[10:45] <persia> Anyone want to volunteer to send queries to our typically absent members seeing if they want to remain on the board?
[10:47] <elky> persia, ok
[10:49]  * persia has lost context, and fails to understand "ok"
[10:54] <elky> persia, i will email the absentees
[10:54] <elky> i have also just mailed the nominations
[10:54] <persia> elky: Cool.  Thanks!
[11:40] <lifeless> gnight
[12:59]  * asac o/
[13:01] <persia> #startmeeting
[13:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 07:00. The chair is persia.
[13:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[13:01]  * JamieBennett is here
[13:01] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091208
[13:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091208
[13:01] <dyfet> is here
[13:01] <ogra> mooop
[13:02] <davidm> hello
[13:02]  * GrueMaster is almost awake
[13:02] <persia> [TOPIC] Activity Reporting
[13:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Activity Reporting
[13:02] <persia> Who owns this one?
[13:02] <asac> JamieBennett: StevenK: prod
[13:02] <asac> me
[13:02] <ogra> persia, whats that ?
[13:02] <JamieBennett> asac: read above (I'm here)
[13:03] <asac> oh
[13:03] <asac> ;)
[13:03] <persia> asac: Go ahead.
[13:03] <asac> so ....
[13:03] <asac> i would like to propose to align our activity reporting to the public meeting
[13:03] <ogra> argh
[13:03] <ogra> we had that
[13:03] <asac> also to stop JamieBennett and others to hunt down folks inifinitely
[13:04] <ogra> and the meeting went on for hours
[13:04] <asac> i would propose to publish meeting minutes together
[13:04] <asac> with the activity reports
[13:04] <asac> so basically: on monday, send out meeting reminder and to send acitvity reports (or put them directly top the meeting page)
[13:04] <persia> I'd be happy to go back to that.  It looks like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/TeamReport hasn't been updated since April.
[13:04] <asac> and on tuesday after meeting send out report ... if folks miss the deadline
[13:04] <asac> they just get a note: didnt submit a report
[13:05] <asac> ogra: doesnt mean that we discuss all the ARs in meeting
[13:05] <asac> just that we put them on the same wiki page and then send them to lists together with meeting minute
[13:05] <ogra> what i would really like to keep is the reporting period from mon to fri ... if we dont discuss every single AR here thats fine
[13:05] <asac> in any case ...we definitly need a hard deadline
[13:05] <ogra> we have that
[13:05] <asac> ogra: well. its not really fair to let folks ping you etc.
[13:05] <ogra> monday latest atm
[13:06] <ogra> asac, it didnt work without
[13:06] <ogra> thats why we started it
[13:06] <asac> yes. but splitting stuff up means we have two reporting mails etc. feels suboptimal
[13:06] <ogra> splitting ?
[13:06] <asac> yes. we have meeting -> report minutes
[13:06] <davidm> AR's and this meeting
[13:06] <ogra> you mean AR vs minutes ?
[13:06] <asac> we have activity reports -> send another report
[13:06] <ogra> ah
[13:06] <persia> Reporting and minutes serve different purposes.
[13:06] <asac> its just another administrative act on top
[13:06] <ogra> yes, i agree here
[13:07] <ogra> but we have a deadline (that actually matches fine with the meeting)
[13:07] <ogra> all i want to keep is the reporting period for ARs
[13:07] <asac> if its really a problem we can keep reporting from monday-friday
[13:07] <ogra> mon-fri ... sending out latest on monday
[13:07] <asac> and report that on monday night
[13:08] <JamieBennett> sounds good
[13:08] <JamieBennett> (and pretty much as it is now)
[13:08] <ogra> well, generally send out on fri evening ... but give a soft deadline until mon
[13:08] <asac> ok so based on that comments i would suggest to:
[13:08] <persia> Well, except we ought to keep the TeamReport page updated ...
[13:08] <plars> yeah mon-fri was very convenient, before when we cut it off midweek, there were lots more problems with days slipping, not realizing what day it is currently, etc
[13:08] <ogra> yeah
[13:08] <asac>  * send AR or add your AR to meeting by end of work day MON (covering mon-fri week before)
[13:09] <asac> * after meeting send out either two or one report with minutes and ARs
[13:09] <JamieBennett> works for me
[13:09] <asac> * also: one ping after meeting if AR isnt on wiki is enough
[13:09] <persia> I'd really prefer two.  I like reading meeting minutes when I miss a meeting to catch up on items that were worth discussion, and I don't like attending meetings that end up being mostly reporting.
[13:10] <persia> I have no issues with aligned schedules though.
[13:10] <asac> persia: in the desktop team it worked quite well. on top of the report mail there would be the minutes for quick consumption and then below are the detailed AR
[13:10] <asac> but splitting works as it doesn add much extra work
[13:10] <asac> on whoever sends them
[13:10] <persia> asac: Externally I found the desktop team reports fairly unhelpful to read to keep track of items of discussion.
[13:11] <asac> as long as they are aligned and there is a hard deadline
[13:11] <asac> persia: yes. desktop team didnt do well adding minutes
[13:11] <asac> that would be better as we care about minutes (desktop team mostly send agenda + AR)
[13:12] <persia> Yeah, which means reading the meeting logs.  We've had mixed quality minutes, but I think publishing them is useful.
[13:12] <asac> ok ... and last but not least if you send your AR by mail, remember to send to JamieBennett and someone else (i would suggest me)
[13:12] <ogra> asac, see the other chan ...
[13:12] <asac> helps avoiding single point of failure etc. and delegating in case of jamie is on vacation etc.
[13:14] <ogra> ++
[13:14] <asac> cool
[13:14] <asac> so everyone is fine with that? (details can be discussed later)
[13:14] <persia> OK.  Anything else on this topic?
[13:15] <plars> the changes need to be documented on the wiki page describing this
[13:15] <plars> which I can't seem to locate at the moment
[13:15] <ogra> persia, knows it :)
[13:15] <persia> [TOPIC] http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/lucid/report.html
[13:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/lucid/report.html
[13:15] <ogra> he has a wiki copy in his head usually :)
[13:15] <asac> more importantly is probably the alpha2 one
[13:16] <persia> Especially because I've been reading all the Mobile wiki stuff again as part of my cleanup plan :)
[13:16] <ogra> yeah
[13:16] <persia> asac: Do you have a link for that?
[13:16] <asac> [LINK] http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/lucid-alpha2/report.html
[13:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/lucid-alpha2/report.html
[13:16] <asac> on the wiki ;)
[13:16] <asac> so we are a bit above the trendline
[13:16] <asac> GrueMaster: anything is blocking you?
[13:16] <ogra> oh we are such slackers !!
[13:17] <GrueMaster> Not really.  I had a great patch of emails from the LSB guys.
[13:17] <asac> GrueMaster: especially on the suspend/resume blueprint there are lots of "define the test case" work items whicch probably can be done in parallel
[13:17] <asac> like as a side job if you feel like lib spec isnt moving or you wait for inspiration etc. ;)
[13:18] <asac> ok
[13:18] <GrueMaster> Bear with me here, my DSL is cutting out.
[13:18] <asac> GrueMaster: sure. just wanted to point that there are plenty of work items that can be done easily if you want to get rid of some :) ...
[13:18] <GrueMaster> I am focusing on the lib spec mainly because it is a higher priority and has a deadline of A2.
[13:19] <asac> GrueMaster: suspend resume testplan is also on alpha-2 list
[13:19] <asac> at least a majority of work items should be done by then
[13:19] <GrueMaster> Yes, but it is for starting testing.  The lib test is supposed to be deployed by A2 and finished.
[13:19] <asac> right.
[13:20] <asac> ok
[13:20] <GrueMaster> Besides, a lot of the items in the suspend testing are going to have to be done at the vendor, as we don't have the test equipment to test fully.
[13:21] <davidm> GrueMaster, what are we missing?
[13:21] <GrueMaster> A lot of the comments that came up on this during UDS were from community members not familiar with actual hardware testing.
[13:21] <asac> GrueMaster: well. all those "define the testcases" should be easy to do before we reacht that point. if there is something that we cannot fill in, we can document that
[13:21] <asac> and escalate to vendors. but for that we need to know what
[13:21] <plars> I don't think we can always assume vendors have it either
[13:22] <GrueMaster> Things like sound chip power levels, SDIO power on suspend, etc.
[13:22] <GrueMaster> But I'll review it soon and get it out.
[13:22] <persia> The important thing is to document the test cases that need to be checked.  At that point, finding people with hardware is possible (if difficult).
[13:22] <asac> GrueMaster: right. thats why i would like to get all the definitions done soon. then we can check what needs to be dropped/can be done
[13:22] <plars> I think the idea was to prioritize, and leave things open where necessary due to hardware constraints.  Very possible that *somebody* has the hardware and can test it
[13:22] <davidm> GrueMaster, please send me a list of hardware that we are missing, for suspend testing
[13:23] <asac> yes. the spec consists of: a) filling in a gross definition for each suggested testcase; b) evaluating feasibility; c) prioritization; d) implement automization or add manual instructions to a testplan
[13:23] <GrueMaster> davidm: Some of the tests discussed in the UDS session would require scopes and probes to monitor power levels at some of the components.
[13:24] <ogra> right, we're waiting for vendor info here
[13:24] <asac> GrueMaster: what would be great would be if you go through the testcases suggested and add your ideas on how that can be tested to the summary column
[13:24] <plars> GrueMaster: would a kill-a-watt for the whole board's power usage suffice?
[13:24] <asac> and if you see that things are no feasible, also note that down
[13:24] <GrueMaster> plars: how would that work for Dove?
[13:25] <GrueMaster> Or for the babbage?
[13:25] <plars> GrueMaster: plugs in like a wall outlet, you just plug your power supply into it
[13:25] <blackxored> hello
[13:25] <GrueMaster> They both draw little power to begin with.
[13:25] <blackxored> there's a DMB meeting here today?
[13:25] <ogra> blackxored, cureently this is the mobile team meeting
[13:26] <JamieBennett> blackxored:  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[13:27] <asac> ok. so besides from that. anyone else has problems with stuff for alpha-2 already?
[13:27] <GrueMaster> At any rate, I have currently been focusing on lib conversion, but will try to take a look at the suspend/resume spec this week.
[13:27] <asac> thanks a lot.
[13:27]  * ogra has enough probs with A1 ... 
[13:27] <JamieBennett> asac: Only MIR's that need to be pushed (talked already about these)
[13:27] <ogra> so i wont even start thinking about A2 yet
[13:27] <asac> seems we are making good progress though. minus the current image issues
[13:28] <ogra> right
[13:28] <asac> JamieBennett: yes. i have to check if i am allowed to process the MIRs from our team today. otherwise i have to trade them ;)
[13:28] <ogra> but without these solved we wont make A2 :)
[13:28] <asac> ack
[13:28] <asac> what can we do about the builder situation? nothing?
[13:28] <asac> well libdap could be investigated
[13:28] <ogra> ok, so did we move to image stuff now ?
[13:28] <asac> is that the prooved reason for our issues?
[13:29] <asac> yeah sorry
[13:29] <ogra> libdap is my smallest headdache
[13:29] <asac> lets start topic
[13:29] <asac> persia: ^^
[13:29] <ogra> yeah
[13:29] <asac> ;)
[13:29] <persia> [TOPIC] ARM Image Status
[13:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status
[13:29] <ogra> let me give a short overview
[13:29] <ogra> so a) buildds are committing suicide once a day
[13:29] <ogra> b) that got us over 100 pkgs behing
[13:29] <ogra> *behind
[13:30] <ogra> c) that makes the archive be out of sync massively for armel
[13:30] <ogra> d) that prevents us from buiolding livefs images
[13:30] <persia> ugh!
[13:30] <ogra> the livefs builder has a bug with mksquashfs
[13:30] <asac> just livefs images?
[13:30] <ogra> this issue can only be investigated if the archive is in sync
[13:31] <ogra> i cant reproduce the issue in local builds
[13:31] <asac> anyone has the same hardware that the builders use?
[13:31] <ogra> and it is suspected that the pegatron kernel on the livefs build machine causes it
[13:31] <asac> maybe we can reproduce it there?
[13:31] <ogra> on the build machine the kernel can not be replaced
[13:32] <ogra> so one option would be to replace the livefs builder with a babbage board
[13:32] <ogra> but we dont have any spare ones atm, davidm ? do we ?
[13:32] <JamieBennett> davidm: what is the fate of the 2.0 and 2.5 I have?
[13:32] <ogra> so we could use a karmic kernel with lucid chroot instead of a pagatron kernel
[13:33] <asac> anyone has a pegatron and can reproduce that mksquashfs issue?
[13:33] <ogra> asac, we dontz have peagatrons in the team
[13:33] <asac> feels a bit like bug. how did those become buildds?
[13:34] <ogra> asac, and even if you can reproduce, what does it help, if its caused by a kernel you cant replace you cant fix it
[13:34] <ogra> asac, it was the only HW available
[13:34] <asac> well. it would allow us to verify that its really the kernel
[13:34] <ogra> i'm trying to verify that with lamont atm
[13:34] <asac> ogra: right. but why has no team member that hardware?
[13:34] <persia> The buildds got swapped a couple times as random hardware became available.  Something like that demoed at UDS would be a buildd once it's available in quantity.
[13:35] <ogra> asac, because its a limited amount we have ... all of them are used for buildds
[13:35] <ogra> persia, that *are* our buildds
[13:35] <asac> yeah. just feels like a risk if only lamont can work on those.
[13:35] <ogra> (the things demoed at UDS)
[13:35] <davidm> asac, ogra I have a pegatron unit if someone wants to walk me through a test I'm happy to do so
[13:36] <ogra> davidm, well, create a lucid chroot and run mksquashfs in it on any dir you like /usr or so
[13:36] <ogra> we can do that off meeting
[13:36] <asac> ok. lets do that after meeting: so a) check if lamont can verify that its kernel; b) try to get ogra a remote ssh or something on davidm pegatron?
[13:37] <asac> would that be the best way to approach this?
[13:37] <ogra> davidm, if its the case that the pegatron kernel is at fault, can we get IS a babbage board ?
[13:37] <davidm> ogra, who do we remove the babbage board from?
[13:37] <ogra> davidm, as i said above, i cant reproduce the issue on a karmic bababge
[13:37] <ogra> davidm, JamieBennett has two and is in UK
[13:38] <JamieBennett> ogra: two *spare*
[13:38] <ogra> davidm, and afaik plars and dyfet sent theirs back ?
[13:38] <davidm> what does getting ONE babbage board do for us?
[13:38] <dyfet> I had sent a b 2.5 to Lexington
[13:38] <ogra> JamieBennett, wasnt one fried ?
[13:38] <JamieBennett> lool gave me one
[13:38] <ogra> davidm, we can replace the one machine with issues
[13:38] <plars> mine is boxed up, ready to go when ready
[13:38] <ogra> davidm, we only have one livefs builder
[13:38] <asac> davidm: the mksquashfs bug is a problem on the image builder only
[13:38] <asac> so if its really a pegatron specific issue we can fi that by just replacing that
[13:39] <ogra> davidm, though we discussed before that we want a second one ...
[13:39] <asac> (is that an accurate description)?
[13:39] <ogra> asac, right
[13:39] <ogra> squashfs is currently only created on one machine
[13:39] <ogra> though given that that takes 90min lool and i proposed to have a second one long ago
[13:40] <ogra> because we at least build two squashfses per run ... meaning armel takes 3h for a single build
[13:40] <ogra> having that parallelized would cut time in half
[13:40] <ogra> though thats a different issue, for now we need images *at all*
[13:40] <davidm> ogra, I'll set up my babbage so you can ssh into it, let you know when it's up
[13:41] <ogra> s/babbage/pegatron/ i hope :)
[13:41] <JamieBennett> :)
[13:41] <asac> he needs access to a pegatron
[13:41] <ogra> it works on my babbage as far as i can tell
[13:41] <davidm> s/babbage/pegatron/
[13:41] <davidm> I don't have a babbage
[13:41] <persia> [ACTION] davidm and ogra to investigate mksquashfs issue on pegatron board
[13:41] <MootBot> ACTION received:  davidm and ogra to investigate mksquashfs issue on pegatron board
[13:41] <ogra> (which is not far, since i cant actually build a rootfs chroot without the archive being in sync)
[13:42] <ogra> but mksquashfs on a non chroot dir doesnt show any issues
[13:42] <ogra> anyway, if we dont get these two issues fixed we wont have A1
[13:42] <persia> ogra: Couldn't you run the lucid mksquashfs against the karmic archive?
[13:42] <ogra> persia, works fine, tried already
[13:42] <persia> Darn.
[13:43] <ogra> also mksquashfs against /usr in a lucid chroot works fine
[13:43] <asac> ok. so based on the outcome we decide whether we want to ship JamieBennett his board to london?
[13:43] <asac> or do we want that anyway?
[13:43] <ogra> all on babbage though
[13:43] <ogra> the error it spits out on the buildd is "illegal instruction"
[13:43] <ogra> the pegatron kernel (and the squashfs module) is built ARMv5 .... i.e. jaunty
[13:44] <ogra> so i suspect the userspace squashfs-tools buolt for v7 dont get along with the module built for v5
[13:44] <asac> ok. i assume one option would be to build mksquasfs locally with old arm flags?
[13:44] <ogra> and we have no way to change the kernel on these devices
[13:45] <asac> anyway. thats what should be done by the ACTION item
[13:45] <ogra> asac, that could cause broken squashfses ... you need to unpack them again
[13:45] <ogra> with v7 tools
[13:45] <ogra> and a v7 kernel module
[13:45] <ogra> sounds very risky
[13:46] <asac> dont see yet why that would cause issues ;)
[13:46] <asac> but well
[13:46] <asac> off meeting
[13:46] <ogra> the action item should be to replace the builder with something where we can have influence on kernel and trootfs
[13:46] <persia> Right.  Anything else for ARM Image status?
[13:46] <ogra> no
[13:46] <persia> OK.
[13:46] <ogra> well
[13:46] <asac> so ... do we want the babbage board to be shipped to london in any case?
[13:46] <ogra> someone should look at libdap
[13:46] <JamieBennett> thats a davidm decision
[13:46] <asac> like in case pagatron gets fixed we could use that as a second builder?
[13:46] <ogra> ++
[13:47] <ogra> the 3h buildtime are not an issue yet ...
[13:47] <davidm> lets examine one problem before jumping to to solutions please
[13:47] <ogra> but they will become a big issue as soon as we get a third subarch
[13:47] <davidm> We are gravely short hardware at the moment
[13:47] <ogra> so we'll definately run into a prob then and should be prepared
[13:48] <asac> ok. lets decide on the board shuffeling by end of tomorrow work day
[13:48] <ogra> if its forseeable that we dont get a third subarch before A2 i would say we should postpone that discussion
[13:48] <asac> based on the outcome of debugging etc.
[13:48] <lool> Another option would be to refactor livecd-rootfs to use qemu-arm; that would allow running the image build on fast x86 hardware; needs to be done carefully
[13:48] <lool> That works around hardware shortage, and speed issues
[13:48] <ogra> lool, mono
[13:48] <lool> (Hey all!)
[13:48] <asac> hi ;)
[13:48] <ogra> hi lool :)
[13:48] <asac> ok. so i think we are done on that arm image status thing ;)
[13:49] <persia> RIght.
[13:49] <persia> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[13:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[13:49] <ogra> mono isnt installable under any qemu userspace emu
[13:49] <persia> [TOPIC] Mono on armel
[13:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mono on armel
[13:49] <ogra> err
[13:49] <ogra> that was to lool and his last topic :)
[13:49] <persia> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[13:49] <asac> do we have enough information on the problems etc. to do a qualified discussion on mono at this time?
[13:49] <ogra> i.e. livecd-rootfs would brak there
[13:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[13:49] <asac> ok
[13:50] <lool> I'm not too familiar with this bug; I heard about it a while ago from ogra and read a confirmation by someone else, but I don't know how important it is for image building
[13:50] <ogra> lool, as long as we ship mono apps it blocks 100%
[13:50]  * persia gets confused, and decides to sort out the topics in the minutes
[13:50] <ogra> heh
[13:51] <JamieBennett> ogra: more reason to get rid of tomboy and f-spot
[13:51] <lool> ogra: I'm saying I know the bug exists, just don't know how hard it is to resolve
[13:51] <ogra> not sure if we want that
[13:51] <persia> tomboy has an active competitive upstream, but I'm less sure of f-spot
[13:51] <ogra> lool, right, me neither ... i just know it gets the emulator to a full stop atm
[13:52] <ogra> lool, and i doubt we can solve it before thu :)
[13:52] <lool> No, nor add additional buildds
[13:52] <ogra> well, replacing the buildd is quick
[13:52] <ogra> but we need to know if it helps before we even attempt that
[13:52] <lool> Anyway, was just a random thought on solving the livefs buildd situation; /me returns to fixing hardware &
[13:53]  * JamieBennett looks at his car and contemplates a trup to London
[13:53] <JamieBennett> trip
[13:53] <ogra> i agree that qemu would be a good alternative though
[13:53] <ogra> if mono wouldnt be the blocker
[13:53]  * GrueMaster looks at his bed and hopes the meeting will move forward soon.
[13:54] <asac> yeah. so anything else?
[13:54] <persia> So, Do we have enough information to have a good discussion about mono now?
[13:54] <persia> If not, let's move on.
[13:54] <asac> no
[13:54] <ogra> no
[13:54] <asac> at least i dont have any idea ;)
[13:54] <ogra> move on please
[13:54] <persia> Right.  Anyone have anything else?
[13:54] <ian_brasil> we have changed somewhat the Liquid ToDo's after speaking with the community members and Mer guys
[13:54] <persia> [TOPIC] Liquid update
[13:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  Liquid update
[13:54] <persia> ian_brasil: Go
[13:54] <ian_brasil> the page is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuLiquid
[13:55] <ian_brasil> we will package the plasma mobile shell in summary
[13:55] <asac> ian_brasil: i heard you move from the hildon stuff to the qt this cycle?
[13:55] <ogra> on MEr ??
[13:55] <ian_brasil> yes
[13:56] <ogra> i thought Mer stays hildon
[13:56] <asac> liquid reconsidered moving to the new modern stuff afaik
[13:56] <ian_brasil> Mer stays hildon but they will support QT
[13:56] <ogra> right
[13:56] <ogra> like maemo5
[13:56] <ian_brasil> for this reason it will help them to have plasma support
[13:56] <ian_brasil> they will use our plasma work
[13:56] <ogra> and maemo6 moves to be the other way round
[13:57] <ian_brasil> ogra, right
[13:57] <ogra> (as i understood at the maemo summit)
[13:57] <persia> Reading that page, how much hildon stuff would be expected in liquid?  I don't see that much.
[13:57] <ian_brasil> persia, none
[13:58] <persia> cool!
[13:58] <ian_brasil> there was some work done on qmantle
[13:58] <asac> so we get a bunch of latest maemo goodies, is that about right?
[13:59] <ian_brasil> asac, yes
[13:59] <asac> ian_brasil: do you want to track/plan coordinate your work using specs/work items?
[13:59] <asac> or are you fine to just do it and report here on weekly progress/blockage?
[13:59] <ian_brasil> asac, yes although i am not sure how that works
[14:00] <asac> ian_brasil: ok. i can explain that to you after meeting and then you can say if you want that or not etc.
[14:00] <ian_brasil> asac, thx..we have quite a few coders and designers on board so we might need this
[14:00] <asac> yeah. lets check what we can do.
[14:01] <persia> You guys want an action for that?
[14:01] <asac> [ACTION] asac to discuss work items/burndown/reporting for liquid with ian_brasil
[14:01] <asac> hmm
[14:01] <persia> [ACTION] asac to discuss work items/burndown/reporting for liquid with ian_brasil
[14:01] <MootBot> ACTION received:  asac to discuss work items/burndown/reporting for liquid with ian_brasil
[14:01] <asac> thx
[14:01] <persia> only the chair can assign actions :)
[14:01] <asac> thats Moot ;)
[14:01] <dyfet> should we have an informational spec to collect mono issues on arm together in one place?
[14:01] <asac> hehe
[14:01] <asac> dyfet: i dont think so. bugs should be good
[14:01] <persia> OK.  ANy other topics for discussion?
[14:02] <asac> not from me this week ;) (and time is over too)
[14:03] <asac> ok
[14:03] <persia> #endmeeting
[14:03] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:03.
[14:03] <asac> thanks persia
[14:03] <asac> thanks all
[14:03] <persia> Minutes will be up in 10-12 hours (I'm tired tonight).
[14:03] <asac> good night!
[14:04] <ogra> thanks
[14:07] <liel> Hello
[14:08] <liel> I'm for Israel. Sould I register in the EMEA Membership board?
[14:10] <czajkowski> liel: you can if you like, if the time and date suit
[14:10] <popey> liel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA/
[14:10] <popey> you are already on that list liel
[14:10] <liel> I know
[14:11] <liel> Thanks!
[14:11] <popey> keep an eye on the above page for the date/time of the next meeting because it will change
[14:13] <liel> The new date is perfect for me (Because of Hanukkah) :)
[14:59] <pitti> o/;
[14:59] <kees> heya pitti
[14:59] <cjwatson> hi
[14:59] <blackxored> hello everybodty
[14:59] <cjwatson> I'm just writing an agenda wiki page
[14:59] <blackxored> s/everybodty/everybody
[14:59] <cjwatson> fed up of not having one for the DMB :)
[14:59] <kees> cjwatson: I was just going to ask about that.  I couldn't find an agenda anywhere.  :)
[15:00] <cjwatson> for today's meeting, there are three pressing agenda items
[15:00] <cjwatson> that I can see, anyway
[15:00] <cjwatson>  * Alberto Milone -> core-dev
[15:00] <pitti> dtchen: Applying for core-dev membership reactivation
[15:00] <pitti> Recommendation for core-dev: Alberto Milone (tseliot)
[15:00] <pitti> DMB: Next steps
[15:00] <pitti> oops, sorry for interleaving
[15:00] <cjwatson>  * Adrian Perez -> azureus, eclipse, swt-gtk
[15:01] <cjwatson>  * Daniel Chen -> core-dev reactivation
[15:02] <kees> who is chair? (we should mootbot-start)
[15:03] <cjwatson> I think you just volunteered
[15:03] <kees> #startmeeting
[15:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:03. The chair is kees.
[15:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:03] <kees> [topic] Alberto Milone -> core-dev
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alberto Milone -> core-dev
[15:03] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda exists now
[15:03] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:04] <kees> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlbertoMilone/CoreDeveloperApplication
[15:04] <kees> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlbertoMilone/CoreDeveloperApplication
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlbertoMilone/CoreDeveloperApplication
[15:05] <pitti> I also sponsor quite a lot of Alberto's uploads, mostly nvidia drivers
[15:06] <kees> just reading this package list now.
[15:06] <cjwatson> hmm, tseliot is not here
[15:06] <pitti> it's a national holiday for him today
[15:06] <kees> based on sponsored work and personal experience, I would support tseliot being core-dev.  I'd like the opportunity to ask some questions, though.
[15:07] <cjwatson> I had wanted to ask him about the state of proprietary drivers in general (and what the next steps are for getting rid of them ...), but that's really out of my own curiosity than anything else
[15:07] <cjwatson> frankly, an endorsement from a core developer saying "I pretty much trust his uploads implicitly" is close to good enough for me :)
[15:07] <cjwatson> Keybuk: are you here, by the way?
[15:08] <kees> er, do we have quorum? don't we need 4?
[15:08] <pitti> mdz can't make it
[15:08] <pitti> I pinged Keybuk and sabdfl an hour ago, but no response
[15:08] <cjwatson> I'll phone Scott
[15:09] <cjwatson> (bear with me, internet connection currently bearing startling similarity to molasses)
[15:09] <pitti> kees: in the meantime, do you still have questions to dtchen after his mail response?
[15:09] <pitti> I asked him (action from prev meeting), and he can't be online at this time (work)
[15:10]  * kees ponders what to do with the mootbot topic
[15:10] <pitti> Keybuk and I already gave our +1 two weeks ago
[15:10] <kees> pitti: no, I'm good with dtchen
[15:10] <kees> so, +1 from me, then.  :)
[15:10] <cjwatson> +1 from me for dtchen also, Kees already asked the questions I was going to ask
[15:10] <pitti> (sorry about scrambling topic - just trying to fill in the gap)
[15:11] <kees> [topic] Daniel Chen: ubuntu-core-dev reactivation
[15:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Daniel Chen: ubuntu-core-dev reactivation
[15:11] <cjwatson> no reply from Scott's phone
[15:11] <kees> +1's all around, carried.
[15:12] <pitti> I can do the paperwork
[15:12] <cjwatson> let's continue with Alberto by mail
[15:12] <cjwatson> blackxored is Adrian Perez, so we can discuss with him even if we don't have quorum, and finish off by mail
[15:12] <kees> pitti: what's required for activation, just setting the group membership in LP and announcing to which lists?
[15:13] <pitti> added him to ~u-core-dev
[15:13] <pitti> kees: replying to his application, and then mentioning it on the meeting summary to -devel, I think
[15:13] <cjwatson> ubuntu-devel@ and devel-permissions@, I believe
[15:13] <pitti> at least that's what I did last time, and nobody complained
[15:13] <cjwatson> (the latter now exists, hurrah)
[15:13] <pitti> yay
[15:13] <pitti> thanks
[15:13] <kees> devel-permissions@, that's what I was looking for, perfect.
[15:13] <kees> [topic] Adrian Perez: azureus, eclipse, swt-gtk
[15:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Adrian Perez: azureus, eclipse, swt-gtk
[15:14] <pitti> the first two are universe, and MC already ack'ed them
[15:14] <pitti> so I already made him uploader for that
[15:14] <pitti> (based on similar cases last week)
[15:14] <pitti> swt-gtk is main, though
[15:14] <blackxored> I see
[15:14] <pitti> hey blackxored, thanks for joining!
[15:15] <blackxored> pitti, I was lurking since 10:00 CST :P
[15:15] <blackxored> no problem
[15:15] <cjwatson> blackxored: can you tell us a bit about your work on eclipse? what state were things in when you started, what major things still need to be done ...? I know that eclipse is a big deal for a number of users
[15:15] <blackxored> cjwatson, in fact it is
[15:16] <kees> ah!  blackxored, I see you're the Debian maintainer of swt-gtk.  that simplies my thought-process.  :)  http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/swt-gtk.html
[15:16] <blackxored> when i started with eclipse the package was almost clean enough, although they were important changes made by my co-maintainers, such as switching to cdbs
[15:16] <blackxored> kees, yes I am
[15:16] <blackxored> also I'm the sole maintainer of azureus, although the maint is set to debian-java since I expected to receive help for azureus bugs since sjackman told me this package generates a lot of them
[15:17] <blackxored> but I'm glad to say that I solved most quickly, so I just have a wishlist
[15:17] <blackxored> for it
[15:17] <blackxored> :P
[15:17] <cjwatson> what's the Ubuntu Java team like at the moment? last I checked in it was very very very quiet, but that was years ago :)
[15:17] <blackxored> cjwatson, I have no idea
[15:17] <cjwatson> and are there any big plans there?
[15:17] <cjwatson> oh, you're in debian-java but not the Ubuntu Java team?
[15:18] <blackxored> slytherin and ScottK told me there are no many java-aware devs at motu, so I didn't even asked about ubuntu-java
[15:18] <blackxored> cjwatson, just debian-java
[15:18] <blackxored> cjwatson, my ubuntu story is starting here :P
[15:18] <blackxored> mostly active in the bug tracker and supervising merges
[15:18] <blackxored> until now
[15:18] <cjwatson> there was an Ubuntu Java team at one point, but maybe it was so quiet they stopped bothering
[15:18] <cjwatson> perhaps you could figure out how to revive it? :-)
[15:18] <blackxored> cjwatson, probably
[15:18] <blackxored> cjwatson, I once attended a 4 person meeting, not truly encouraging :P
[15:18] <mdz> pitti, I'm on another call, but can you add an agenda item to try to reschedule this meeting so I can attend?
[15:19] <pitti> well, a java team of four people would be great
[15:19] <blackxored> cjwatson, probably, but my goals are to apply for motu for lucid release
[15:19] <pitti> mdz: will do
[15:19] <blackxored> pitti, heheheh that was ages ago I think, when I started seeing motu videos :P
[15:19] <kees> blackxored: who sponsors your Debian uploads?
[15:20] <blackxored> kees, since now, anyone :P formerly, the team, myon, twener, etc
[15:20] <blackxored> sjackman when I adopted azureus and the like
[15:20]  * kees nods
[15:20] <blackxored> pitti, anyways, I will try to do my best for a ubuntu java team if you like to
[15:20] <blackxored> :P
[15:21] <blackxored> I'm dev of ruby, python, and java mostly
[15:21] <pitti> well, it's not me commandeering you, you should do what you enjoy and you are good at
[15:21] <pitti> blackxored: I just meant that four people can do a lot
[15:21] <blackxored> pitti, leaving being modest behind, I've done great java packaging :P
[15:21]  * blackxored advocates itself :P
[15:22] <blackxored> pitti, I have several people in mind
[15:22] <blackxored> slytherin, bdrung, etc
[15:22] <blackxored> anyone of us could take the beat :P
[15:23] <blackxored> also there's an increasing initiative to re-sync java packages into debian, I think this will get debian-java somehow more involved with ubuntu as well, so there are good changes this people could join and do the merges and attend the bugs
[15:23] <pitti> that would certainly be ideal
[15:23] <pitti> as far as I remember, the main changes that we did were for the default-jdk transition and some FTBFSish fixes
[15:23] <blackxored> pitti exactly
[15:23] <blackxored> but now openjdk is the default for most debian archs
[15:24] <blackxored> that's one of the main topics of the re-sync
[15:24] <kees> pitti, cjwatson: any other questions?  without quorum, do we move this to email?
[15:25] <cjwatson> I have no other questions, and am +1 on Adrian's per-package application
[15:25] <pitti> based on blackxored being the Debian maintainer for swt-gt, and MC approval, I have no further questions (+1 from me for swt-gtk, FWIW)
[15:25] <kees> +1 from me for swt-gtk as well
[15:26] <pitti> so, we need to collect one more vote on the ML then
[15:26] <blackxored> \o/ great
[15:26] <kees> [action] get remaining DMB votes for blackxored via email
[15:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  get remaining DMB votes for blackxored via email
[15:27] <kees> thanks blackxored!
[15:27] <kees> [topic] next steps
[15:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  next steps
[15:27] <blackxored> no thanks to you
[15:27] <blackxored> I'll be joining ubuntu-java soon
[15:27] <pitti> blackxored: thanks for yor great work
[15:27]  * cjwatson mentally inserts a comma. :)
[15:27] <blackxored> how to proceed next, and what can I wait, if this isn't offtopic
[15:28] <blackxored> cjwatson, :P
[15:28] <kees> cjwatson: heh, did that too
[15:28] <cjwatson> blackxored: we have the action to finish this up, and will mail you
[15:28] <blackxored> cjwatson, that's fine
[15:28] <blackxored> so guys I'll see you soon, thanks again
[15:29] <pitti> I did some small updates to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard to reflect current reality wrt. delegation (and also added a small meeting section)
[15:29] <cjwatson> I think I ended up with an action from the last TB meeting to document the current delegations - IIRC
[15:30] <pitti> devel-permissions@ was set up, and the other two items in the first paragraph is process that we now need to follow
[15:30] <kees> ah, yeah, that would be handy.
[15:31] <mdz> pitti: I'm here now, meeting finished early
[15:31] <kees> mdz: ah! cool.  if you can, we need 1 more vote for "Daniel Chen: ubuntu-core-dev reactivation" and "Adrian Perez: azureus, eclipse, swt-gtk"
[15:31] <mdz> pitti: I can ack adrianperez-deb for swt-gtk right now
[15:32] <mdz> and also daniel chen's reactivation
[15:32] <mdz> +1 on both
[15:32] <kees> excellent.
[15:32] <pitti> Archive Upload Rights for adrianperez-deb: source package 'swt-gtk'
[15:32] <pitti> added
[15:33] <cjwatson> I'd like for us to take some time to discuss the future roles of the DMB vs. motu-council, if we can
[15:33] <mdz> ok by me
[15:33] <kees> sure
[15:33] <mdz> [topic]?
[15:33] <kees> [topic] future roles of the DMB vs. motu-council
[15:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  future roles of the DMB vs. motu-council
[15:34] <cjwatson> we agreed at UDS that we would be keeping something rather akin to the current MOTU team under that name, but I think general consensus has been to move towards removing duplication in management-type functions
[15:34] <pitti> wrt the delegations, I think we need to add the per-team application policy to the list of delegations on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard; I'm happy to do that
[15:34] <cjwatson> I see that there are seven motu-council members right now
[15:34] <dholbach> pitti: and refresh UbuntuDevelopers to that effect :)
[15:35] <dholbach> pitti: I can help out
[15:35] <cjwatson> normally I would say that 13 is too big for a committee, but in this case it may well be that that's simply what we need to cover a community the size of Ubuntu with any effectiveness
[15:35] <geser> cjwatson: two MC members are on a prolonged basis
[15:35] <dholbach> cjwatson: if we were to "merge" the two, I'd suggest having a new election, soren and geser are going to expire any time soon anyway
[15:35] <kees> cjwatson: have there been situations where the size has hindered some action/decision?
[15:35] <mdz> when we established the DMB, we resolved to seed it with the TB members, but that there should be an election once we got on our feet
[15:35] <mdz> I think it's probably time to revisit that and have an election
[15:36] <mdz> and nominate MC members who wish to stand
[15:36] <mdz> thoughts?
[15:36] <cjwatson> kees: the only real issues as size increases are that it gets harder to get (nearly) everyone together, and meetings tend to drag on
[15:36] <dholbach> it'd be nice to eliminate the "talk to two different boards if you want to apply" part :)
[15:36] <kees> that was the plan, so I support that.
[15:37] <cjwatson> an election does seem to be the best way to move forward
[15:37] <kees> (plan == election)
[15:37] <cjwatson> dholbach: yes
[15:37] <mdz> are there members of motu-council who are not yet core-dev, and if so, does that matter?
[15:37] <cjwatson> so what kind of numbers do we ideally want? and, should we simply have TB members stand again, rather than being grandfathered in?
[15:37] <mdz> cjwatson: not sure, and yes
[15:37] <dholbach> mdz: persia, geser, jpds and nhandler are not, and I wouldn't personally think it matters - they should have applied for core-dev anyway :)
[15:38] <cjwatson> persia isn't core-dev?!
[15:38] <dholbach> cjwatson: we could ask everybody if they're willing to stand again
[15:38] <kees> on the one hand, having someone not in core-dev making decicions about who should be in it seems like a bad idea.  on the other hand, the experience with evaluating work/people as done by the MC is a different skill than packaging.
[15:38] <dholbach> or make an open call for nominations
[15:38]  * ScottK would suggest an open call for nominations.
[15:39] <pitti> my gut feeling is to start from scratch, too
[15:39] <cjwatson> I would be a little bit uncomfortable with superseding some of motu-council's functions in such a way as to arrange that the current members weren't eligible
[15:39] <geser> what would be the size of the newly elected DMB?
[15:39] <cjwatson> [strawman] how about 9?
[15:39] <cjwatson> or 11? I like odd numbers for voting bodies. :)
[15:40] <mdz> 9 seems like a lot
[15:40] <cjwatson> 11 is probably too big
[15:40] <ScottK> Perhaps more imporant than the number of people is the number that qualify as a quorum for decision making.
[15:40] <mdz> CC has 8
[15:40] <dholbach> the MC has 7 right now
[15:40] <kees> is the intent to merge MC and DMB into a single board named DMB?  does MC do things beyond membership review?
[15:40] <mdz> I think 7-ish
[15:40] <ScottK> kees: Yes.
[15:40] <mdz> kees: yes
[15:41] <kees> what will happen to the MC duties if it's merged?
[15:41] <ScottK> kees: From the UDS discussion, i think the intent is to merge the MC membership functions into DMB, but not the MC itself
[15:41] <kees> non-DMB MC duties, that is.
[15:41] <dholbach> kees: MC approves motus and ubuntumembers, recommends coredevs and perpackage uploaders and did some conflict resolution
[15:41] <dholbach> I personally feel that conflict resolution could well be done by whichever area of Ubuntu it concerns
[15:41] <kees> ok, so just the "recommends coredevs and perpackage uploaders" responsibility would move
[15:42] <cjwatson> does the MC do organisational kinds of things - "these things urgently need work"?
[15:42] <dholbach> (like the CC, the TB, the archive admins, the release team or whatever it is about)
[15:42] <cjwatson> (and if not, should it?)
[15:42] <cjwatson> conflict resolution often works well close to home
[15:42] <ScottK> dholbach: I'd say that Universe is an area that needs such a thing.
[15:42] <kees> +1 for 7, btw.
[15:42] <ScottK> Sometimes in the past it has been critically important.
[15:42] <dholbach> ScottK: I don't think so
[15:42] <ScottK> dholbach: We already had this out at UDS.
[15:43] <dholbach> it didn't arise very often and the archive team, the release team or sru team are usually good at making decisions
[15:43] <dholbach> I don't know if it makes sense to have a governance body just for that
[15:43] <cjwatson> there've been cases in the past of problems that are more like interpersonal resolution
[15:43] <cjwatson> which IIRC motu-council dealt with pretty well
[15:43] <ScottK> dholbach: I think that there will be a body that does this function in the community whether you want it or not.
[15:44] <dholbach> ScottK: hm? I'm not sure I understand
[15:44] <dholbach> cjwatson: I think there's been two cases the MC was involved with that weren't related to membership
[15:44] <ScottK> As we discussed at UDS, such bodies need institutional and community legitimacy.
[15:45] <ScottK> If the institution doesn't care to have such a body, the community probably still will.
[15:45] <mdz> we're getting a bit off track here
[15:45] <ScottK> dholbach: You only list extreme cases.
[15:45] <ScottK> OK.
[15:45] <mdz> there seems to be a topic here which needs further discussion
[15:45] <ScottK> We already went through this at UDS.
[15:45] <mdz> what is its name, and where is the best place to discuss it? (probably not this DMB meeting)
[15:45] <ScottK> mdz: I think it was discussed and dholbach didn't like the outcome
[15:45] <dholbach> I can't remember if it was
[15:46] <mdz> dholbach: are you aware of the outcomes of the discussion at UDS?
[15:46] <dholbach> ScottK: if you were to list what such a governance body should do, what would be it?
[15:46] <geser> ScottK: do you expect so many conflicts that a seperate team is needed to handle them?
[15:46] <mdz> if not, the first thing to do would be to review that document (which has some rationale in it iirc) and give feedback
[15:46] <ScottK> cjwatson and I have an action to work though the UDS session and make a proposal.
[15:46] <mdz> maybe dholbach should join you in that effort
[15:47] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/337346/ is the outcomes from the session at UDS
[15:47] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/337346/ is the outcomes from the session at UDS
[15:47] <mdz> but to come back to the DMB question, we seem to have agreement on a few things
[15:47] <mdz> [agreed] there should be a DMB election soon
[15:47] <mdz> [agreed] the permanent size of the DMB should be 7?
[15:47] <kees> [agreed] there should be a DMB election soon
[15:47] <MootBot> AGREED received:  there should be a DMB election soon
[15:47] <mdz> [agreed] members of the MOTU council should be offered nominations for the DMB
[15:48] <kees> [agreed] the permanent size of the DMB should be 7
[15:48] <cjwatson> [agreed] members of the TB should be offered nominations for the DMB
[15:48] <MootBot> AGREED received:  the permanent size of the DMB should be 7
[15:48] <kees> [agreed] members of the MOTU council should be offered nominations for the DMB
[15:48] <MootBot> AGREED received:  members of the MOTU council should be offered nominations for the DMB
[15:48] <mdz> [agreed] the existing DMB members should stand for re-election (assuming they wish to continue to participate in DMB)
[15:48] <kees> [agreed] members of the TB should be offered nominations for the DMB
[15:48] <MootBot> AGREED received:  members of the TB should be offered nominations for the DMB
[15:48] <kees> [agreed] the existing DMB members should stand for re-election (assuming they wish to continue to participate in DMB)
[15:48] <MootBot> AGREED received:  the existing DMB members should stand for re-election (assuming they wish to continue to participate in DMB)
[15:48] <cjwatson> (my [agreed] and mdz's last [agreed] are the same)
[15:48] <kees> the last two seem to be the same, yeah
[15:48] <mdz> [agreed] kees should give mdz copies of his ssh private keys
[15:49] <dholbach> haha
[15:49] <kees> [agreed] mdz will give kees copies of his ssh private keys
[15:49] <mdz> just checking that you're paying attention
[15:49] <MootBot> AGREED received:  mdz will give kees copies of his ssh private keys
[15:49] <pitti> -1 on that one :)
[15:49] <kees> :)
[15:49] <mdz> booo
[15:49] <kees> ok, other items for discussion?
[15:50] <mdz> how about some actions to make the [agreed] items happen?
[15:50] <kees> who can drive the election?
[15:51] <pitti> how would that look like? announce the election, set it up on Launchpad, annouce the results?
[15:51] <mdz> yes
[15:51] <cjwatson> did people feel that the tool we used for the TB election went well?
[15:51] <mdz> get the nominations assembled
[15:51] <pitti> (no idea how to set up LP, but that can be discussed off-meeting)
[15:51] <mdz> cjwatson: yes
[15:51] <cjwatson> we used that in order to get condorcet voting
[15:51] <mdz> it worked great from my POV
[15:51] <pitti> seemed to work just fine
[15:51] <cjwatson> let's go with that, then
[15:52] <dholbach> I think Mark drove it
[15:52] <dholbach> and gave it the email addresses of ~ubuntu-dev team
[15:52] <cjwatson> right
[15:52] <dholbach> or ~ubuntumembers in case of the CC election
[15:52] <mdz> kees: I'll do it
[15:52] <kees> [action] mdz to drive election for DMB, based on existing members of TB and MC
[15:52] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mdz to drive election for DMB, based on existing members of TB and MC
[15:54] <kees> ok, anything else?
[15:55] <kees> alright, thanks everyone!
[15:55] <kees> #endmeeting
[15:55] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:55.
[15:55] <pitti> kees: two more topics to go..
[15:55] <kees> agh
[15:55] <pitti> meeting time and chair
[15:55] <kees> sorry
[15:55] <kees> meeting time the same?
[15:55] <mdz> :-(
[15:55] <pitti> Wed 1400 UTC would WFM
[15:55] <pitti> cjwatson +1'ed that, too
[15:56] <pitti> kees: is that too early for you or would that work?
[15:56] <kees> if I'm not on the DMB, I'm fine with pre-1500 times.
[15:56] <mdz> I think he gave +1 on 1400 tue actually
[15:56] <cjwatson> I actually +1'd Tue 1400
[15:56] <mdz> but 1400 tue or wed works for me
[15:56] <cjwatson> but Wed 1400 is fine too
[15:56] <pitti> sorry, Tue
[15:56] <cjwatson> is there a west-coast-friendly time we can do?
[15:56] <mdz> yeah, that's a bit early for kees
[15:56] <cjwatson> I assume this all goes out the window post-election anyway
[15:56] <mdz> I will have more west-coast-friendly slots starting in Jan
[15:57] <kees> it's 6am for US west-coast.
[15:57] <mdz> yes, perhaps we should defer the decision to after the election
[15:57] <mdz> if we can keep this slot for the next meeting
[15:57] <kees> sounds reasonable
[15:57] <mdz> I'll just take care of the election stuff and miss the next meeting
[15:58] <kees> ok, chair?
[15:58] <pitti> we should just have a fixed order..
[15:58] <mdz> not me obviously :-)
[15:58] <pitti> I did last time, but I'm fine with driving the next one
[15:58] <pitti> Dec 22, right?
[15:59] <cjwatson> I can do it if you like
[15:59] <kees> it was following TB chair, but that's messed up now since I was on holiday last week
[15:59] <cjwatson> oh, I think I'll be away
[15:59] <pitti> let's see if we get applicants
[15:59] <kees> yeah, Dec 22.  ok, pitti it is.
[15:59] <pitti> it might just be below quorum, and then get superseded by the election
[16:00] <kees> ok, for real this time, #endmeeting.  :)
[16:00] <pitti> kees: you're going to announce the new uploaders in the meeting notes mail?
[16:00] <pitti> kees: the LP changes are done for Adrian and Daniel
[16:01] <kees> pitti: yeah, it'll be in the notes.  did you send the devel-permissions@ email already?
[16:01] <pitti> kees: no, I thought you'd just CC that?
[16:02] <kees> cc the notes?  seems like it's more useful as individual emails with the person's name in the subjet?
[16:03] <kees> anyway, I'll take care of it.  :)
[16:03] <pitti> ah, true that
[16:03] <pitti> better searchability
[16:03] <pitti> ok
[16:03]  * kees nods
[16:03]  * kees is off to find breakfast
[17:45] <bjf> Roll Call
[17:45]  * apw zones in
[17:46]  * smb moves over
[17:46]  * apw elbows smb
[17:46]  * smb nudges back
[17:48] <bjf> my bad, got the time wrong, sounds like we will start in 10 minutes
[17:48]  * apw zones out
[17:59] <bjf> Roll Call
[17:59]  * smb is still here
[17:59]  * manjo waves
[17:59] <amitk> 0/
[17:59]  * ogasawara_ waves
[18:00] <bjf> #startmeeting
[18:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf.
[18:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[18:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[18:00]  * apw is here
[18:00] <bjf> NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[18:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Lucid Release Status: Bugs (Release Meeting Bugs / RC Milestoned Bugs / Release Targeted Bugs
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lucid Release Status: Bugs (Release Meeting Bugs / RC Milestoned Bugs / Release Targeted Bugs
[18:01] <ogasawara_> Release Meeting Bugs (2 bugs) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[18:01] <ogasawara_>  * Bug 487097 - Invalid for Karmic/Lucid, remains open for Intrepid
[18:01] <ogasawara_>  * Bug 355232 - pushed back to Alpha 2
[18:01] <ogasawara_> Alpha 1 Milestoned Bugs (9 bugs) - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21443
[18:01] <ogasawara_>  * 0 linux kernel bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21443
[18:01] <ogasawara_>  * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-fsl-imx51/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21443
[18:01] <ogasawara_>  * 0 linux-ec2 bug - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-ec2/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21443
[18:01] <ogasawara_>  * 0 linux-mvl-dove bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-mvl-dove/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21443
[18:01] <ogasawara_> * Release Targeted Bugs (59 bugs) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs
[18:01] <ogasawara_>  * 4 linux kernel bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux
[18:01] <ogasawara_>  * 3 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-fsl-imx51
[18:02] <ogasawara_>  * 0 linux-ec2 bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-ec2
[18:02] <ogasawara_>  * 1 linux-mvl-dove bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-mvl-dove
[18:02] <ogasawara_> ..
[18:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Lucid Release Status: Milestoned Features
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lucid Release Status: Milestoned Features
[18:02] <ogasawara_> Milestoned Features - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.04
[18:02] <ogasawara_>  * 1 blueprint relating to the kernel - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-new-kernel-on-lts
[18:02] <ogasawara_> ..
[18:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (ogasawara)
[18:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (ogasawara)
[18:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling
[18:03] <ogasawara_> Spec was Approved.
[18:03] <ogasawara_> Noted updates on action items since last week:
[18:03] <ogasawara_> bug days -- look for bugs with interesting features, pictures/videos etc:INPROGRESS
[18:03] <ogasawara_>  * starting with bugs with patches attached
[18:03] <ogasawara_> bug days -- look at improving advertising:INPROGRESS
[18:03] <ogasawara_>  * sent to kernel-team, ubuntu-qa, ubuntu-bugcontrol, ubuntu-bugsquad, and blogged at planet.ubuntu.com
[18:03] <ogasawara_> ..
[18:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-sru-policy-review (smb, ogasawara)
[18:04] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-sru-policy-review
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-sru-policy-review (smb, ogasawara)
[18:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-sru-policy-review
[18:04] <smb> done, can be removed from agenda
[18:04] <smb> ..
[18:04] <bjf> [ACTION] remove from agenda
[18:04] <MootBot> ACTION received:  remove from agenda
[18:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta (apw)
[18:04] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta (apw)
[18:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta
[18:05] <apw> work is still ongoing, next batch of updates after the a-1 freeze
[18:05] <apw> ..
[18:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)
[18:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)
[18:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review
[18:05] <apw> nothing to report
[18:05] <apw> ...
[18:05] <apw> ..
[18:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin)
[18:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin)
[18:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms
[18:06] <sconklin> Moblin patch Karmic test kernel is now in a PPA:
[18:06] <sconklin> https://launchpad.net/~sconklin/+archive/lucid-speedtests
[18:06] <sconklin> An announcement has been sent to ubuntu-x mailing list
[18:06] <sconklin> Patches can be viewed here:
[18:06] <sconklin> http://people.canonical.com/~sconklin/mobp/
[18:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~sconklin/mobp/
[18:06] <sconklin> ...
[18:06] <apw> sconklin, you must tell the x-announce list name
[18:06] <apw> as the next kernel will have a change for ati radeon kms
[18:06] <apw> ..
[18:07] <sconklin> ok, and technically this is probably part of the boot performance spec, not KMS
[18:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-suspend-resume (manjo)
[18:07] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-suspend-resume
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-suspend-resume (manjo)
[18:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-suspend-resume
[18:07] <manjo> nothing major to report there
[18:08] <manjo> ..
[18:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[18:08] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[18:08] <bjf> doesn't seem to be here
[18:08] <bjf> ..
[18:09] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)
[18:09] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance
[18:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)
[18:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance
[18:09]  * apw lets csurbhi go first
[18:09] <csurbhi> sent a patch for async rootfs population on kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com
[18:10] <csurbhi> apw, observed  a performance improvement on Dell Mini 10v.
[18:10] <csurbhi> ..
[18:10] <bjf> so where are we sitting right now with our boot time?
[18:10] <apw> i've got some testing writeen up and about to send those out
[18:11] <amitk> when do we plan to integrate these patches in?
[18:11] <apw> we're down from about 1.54s to about 0.9s with the stack i have, the populate_roofs is worth about .3s
[18:11] <amitk> for wider testing?
[18:11] <apw> i hope to have them in for the first upload post a-1
[18:11] <apw> ..
[18:11] <bjf> so we are less than 1 sec? I thought 2s was our boot allowance
[18:12] <apw> nope the whole boot allowance is 2s
[18:12] <amitk> we can always add a few udelays
[18:12] <apw> our kernel init was 2s, and is now down around the 1s mark
[18:12] <apw> that leaves us 1s to get initramfs done, and executing real innit off root
[18:12] <apw> our allowance is grub->upstart taking 2s
[18:12] <apw> ..
[18:13] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)
[18:13] <bjf> still working on c-o-d, getting closer
[18:13] <bjf> ..
[18:13] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (amitk)
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (amitk)
[18:14] <amitk> got powertop-related kernel patches merged into Lucid and just finished creating a new powertop package that needs signing before upload
[18:14] <amitk> have started looking at Scott's automated boot testing scripts
[18:14] <amitk> we might be able to leverage that for power measurements
[18:15] <amitk> ..
[18:15] <Keybuk> OOI from a power measurement POV, I guess you're thinking of an external box that measures the power they're drawing?
[18:15] <amitk> Keybuk: thats right
[18:15] <bjf> skipping jjohanson for now, he's working on getting connected
[18:15] <amitk> which is why laptops are bad since they have a battery that won't allow us to measure true current drawn
[18:15] <Keybuk> are there boxes like that you can get the numbers automatically?
[18:16] <amitk> yes, you can get boxes which have serial/usb outputs that can continuously output the current measurements
[18:16] <amitk> so it is easy to rig it up to a desktop/server
[18:16] <amitk> assuming we can get some standards tests defined (e.g. idle after boot)
[18:17] <amitk> we can then measure what wakes us up, whether our HW is sleeping, etc.
[18:17] <Keybuk> yeah, sounds quite plausible
[18:17] <amitk> we can also repeat the same after a resume
[18:17] <amitk> since some drivers don't go back to sleep after a resume
[18:18] <Keybuk> though I'd warn you that the Mini 10v, in particular, does not appear to want to wake up on RTC :p
[18:18] <Keybuk> so you might want to pick a different model
[18:18] <amitk> I am thinking that for profiling our desktop stack, it might be better to use a desktop machine
[18:18] <amitk> ..
[18:19] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Lucid (apw)
[18:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Lucid (apw)
[18:19] <apw> Lucid kernel is currently frozen for the Alpha-1 release.  Following the freeze we intend to make a number of changes as requested by other teams.  Of interest we will be re-enabling KMS for ATI radeon to enable userspace fixing.  We will be enabling a number of new options, KSM, DEVTMPFS, and enabling parallel flavour building.  We will also start updating the ubuntu drivers.
[18:19] <apw> ..
[18:19] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:19] <smb> Dapper:   2.6.15-55.81 (security)
[18:19] <smb> Hardy:    2.6.24-26.64 (security)
[18:19] <smb> Intrepid: 2.6.27-16.44 (security)
[18:19] <smb> Jaunty:   2.6.28-17.58 (security)
[18:19] <smb> Karmic:   2.6.31-16.52 (security)
[18:19] <smb> Desperately trying to upload the Karmic-proposed kernel update to 2.6.31.6
[18:19] <smb> as .7 is running towards the door.
[18:19] <smb> ..
[18:21] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (ogasawara)
[18:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (ogasawara)
[18:21] <ogasawara_> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[18:21] <ogasawara_> == regression-potential (up 1) ==
[18:21] <ogasawara_> 10 lucid bugs
[18:21] <ogasawara_>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-potential+lucid&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[18:21] <ogasawara_> == regression-update (down 3)==
[18:21] <ogasawara_> 3 karmic bugs
[18:21] <ogasawara_>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-update+karmic&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[18:21] <ogasawara_> 5 jaunty bugs
[18:21] <ogasawara_>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-update+jaunty&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[18:21] <ogasawara_> 2 intrepid bugs
[18:21] <ogasawara_>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-update+intrepid&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[18:21] <ogasawara_> 1 hardy bug
[18:21] <ogasawara_>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-update+hardy&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[18:21] <ogasawara_> == regression-release (up 10)==
[18:21] <ogasawara_> 58 karmic bugs
[18:21] <ogasawara_>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-release+karmic&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[18:21] <ogasawara_> 23 jaunty bugs
[18:21] <ogasawara_>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-release+jaunty&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[18:21] <ogasawara_> 12 intrepid bugs
[18:21] <ogasawara_>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-release+intrepid&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[18:21] <ogasawara_> 4 hardy bugs
[18:21] <ogasawara_>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-release+hardy&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[18:21] <ogasawara_> == regression-proposed (no change)==
[18:21] <ogasawara_> 1 karmic bug
[18:21] <ogasawara_>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-proposed+karmic&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[18:22] <ogasawara_> ..
[18:22] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (ogasawara)
[18:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (ogasawara)
[18:22] <ogasawara_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/BugDay/20091208#Bugs
[18:22] <ogasawara_> Current stats at http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/kernel-bugday/20091208.html
[18:22] <ogasawara_> Off to a slow start.
[18:22] <ogasawara_> ..
[18:23] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[18:23] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[18:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[18:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[18:24] <jjohansen> had a couple kitten killers, that prevented it going into alpha1
[18:24] <jjohansen> I have a good tree now that I need to send a pull request out on
[18:24] <jjohansen> ..
[18:24] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)
[18:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)
[18:25] <jjohansen> apw rebased and I need to test today
[18:25] <jjohansen> I still need to go through the configs and get them closer to virtual
[18:25] <jjohansen> ..
[18:25] <apw> we proabally need to spread the knowledge of how one tests these kerenls
[18:26] <jjohansen> that would be great
[18:26] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:26] <apw> just a ...
[18:26] <manjo> ..
[18:26] <bjf> i have something as well ...
[18:26] <apw> gentle reminder to keep you work items up to date, TODO, DONE or INPREFRESS
[18:26] <apw> ..
[18:26] <manjo> .. ..
[18:27] <apw> manjo, do you have something?
[18:27] <bjf> I'll be on holiday starting next week to the end of the year except for next thuesday
[18:27] <manjo> no I don't
[18:27] <amitk> bjf: me too
[18:27] <apw> tue or thu?
[18:28] <bjf> i'll run the meeting next week, do we need meetings after next week
[18:28] <bjf> tuesday
[18:28] <apw> the next alpha is only a month away, so i guess we need to keep on top
[18:28] <apw> so if you could remind us next week to select a victim to replace you
[18:28] <apw> ..
[18:29] <bjf> ok, we'll deal with it next week
[18:29] <ogasawara_> many might be away on the 22nd due to the close proximity to xmas
[18:29] <apw> bah such lazyness will not be tollerated
[18:29] <bjf> thanks everyone
[18:29] <bjf> #endmeeting
[18:29] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:29.
[18:29] <ogasawara_> heh
[18:29] <apw> bjf thanx
[18:29] <amitk> bye
[18:29] <manjo> cya
[18:29] <smb> tabye