[10:56] <persia> Oops.  glitch in meeting communications.  Wiki page is open for agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091208
[10:59] <JamieBennett> persia: workitems link is wrong
[10:59] <JamieBennett> /me goes to fix it
[10:59] <persia> JamieBennett: Thanks.
[11:00]  * persia just did a cut & paste of the 20091201 agenda
[11:02] <JamieBennett> done and action items added
[11:02] <JamieBennett> sorry, agenda ites
[11:02] <JamieBennett> items
[11:02] <JamieBennett> man my typing today
[11:03] <persia> I don't see other agenda items.  DId you save?
[11:10] <JamieBennett> apparently not, redone them now
[11:13] <persia> Um.  Are those standing items?  I'm fairly certain they aren't action items (those being stuff that people are tasked with in the course of the meeting)
[11:14] <persia> I thought that the workitems sheet replaced spec review.  Sponsoring statistics are available from a variety of sources.  I'm not sure about ARM image status, although I'd expect it to be reflected in workitems.
[11:19] <ogra> yup
[11:19] <persia> What?  Now I'm confused.
[11:20] <persia> So, there were three new "Action Items" entered: spec review, ARM images, Sponsoring.
[11:20] <ogra> arm is the only thing we do in mobile nowadays
[11:20] <ogra> spec review should be obsoleted by the workitem sheet
[11:20] <persia> Well, depends on how one defines "Mobile", but let's set that aside for now.
[11:20] <persia> Right.
[11:20] <persia> And sponsoring has the various statistics pages.
[11:20] <persia> So I think it's only ARM images that need to remain a standing item.
[11:20] <ogra> the mobile team in lucid *only* works on arm stuff ... 
[11:21] <ogra> we dont have any non arm items this release
[11:21] <ogra> (i'm still for renaming the team but well :) )
[11:21] <ogra> anyway
[11:22] <ogra> so spec review should go, we do that through the workitem sheet
[11:22] <ogra> arm image is a standing topic
[11:22] <persia> RIght.
[11:22]  * persia fixes the agenda.
[11:22] <ogra> for sponsoring the idea was that everyone reports the bugnumbers he closed through sponsoring ...
[11:23] <ogra> given that these were only a few back when we started that we could do it in meeting
[11:23] <ogra> i fthe amount raises we should have some kind of overview page
[11:23] <persia> Well, there are various overview pages available, for various slices of sponsors.
[11:24] <persia> But currently there's no good way to capture a combination of direct sponsored uploads, reviewed new packages, and applied branches.
[11:24] <persia> dholbach's sponsoring statistics pages probably get closest to accurate.
[11:25] <ogra> well, when i started that i just wanted to have an overview by team member 
[11:25] <ogra> since david asked me for exactly that
[13:34] <ian_brasil> any idea how long it takes to build Ubuntu from source on X86?
[13:35] <ian_brasil> and how long natively on arm
[13:36] <persia> THe entire archive?
[13:38] <persia> I don't know how long it would take for x86.  For armel, it took about three months to bootstrap jaunty, but some of that was delays to work around build failures (that wouldn't happen again).
[13:39] <persia> Of course, the total time depends on the number of parallel build machines, the specs of the build machines, etc.  I don't believe there currently exist statistics for a complete archive rebuild on a per-architecture basis.
[13:44] <ian_brasil> persia, thanks
[13:46] <persia> ian_brasil: By the way, are you still the best reporting contact for Mobile (from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams) ?
[13:47] <ian_brasil> persia, i have not done any reporting for a while..if someone wants to step up that is fine with me
[13:47] <persia> JamieBennett: You want to take over that role?
[13:48] <JamieBennett> persia: let me look at it after the meeting but I suspect that will be fine
[13:48] <persia> JamieBennett: OK.  Just get the procedures from ian_brasil (I don't know them off-hand), and update that wiki page.
[13:48] <JamieBennett> OK
[14:04] <Il__Matteo> hi everybody! anyone reading? 
[14:05] <persia> Il__Matteo: lots of people.
[14:07] <JamieBennett> ian_brasil: so it just a matter of reporting what the team are doing once a month on a wiki page?
[14:07] <Il__Matteo> great. Here's my problem. I tried to mount Ubuntu Mobile onto my chinaphone Cesim A007. After Imagewriter finished writing to device, i unplugged the mobile and tried to turn it on. Nothing happened. I've kept on trying, and still nothing happens. It doesn't turn on!!! It's not even recognized as a USB device
[14:07] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, more or less
[14:07] <JamieBennett> anything else?
[14:08] <persia> Il__Matteo: You used imagewriter to directly write to the device flash?
[14:08] <JamieBennett> ouch
[14:08] <Il__Matteo> persia, yes, onto the mobile phone
[14:08] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, let me dig out the links
[14:08] <JamieBennett> thanks
[14:09] <JamieBennett> Il__Matteo: The image is an install image meant for cdrom/usb/cf card
[14:09] <Il__Matteo> JamieBennett, so, what did i have to do? put on cdrom, boot from that cdrom and then install onto mobile?
[14:10] <persia> Il__Matteo: The images are intended to be flashed to USB or SD, and the device booted from that.  I don't know that the use case of direct flashing to a device has ever previously been tested.
[14:10] <persia> Il__Matteo: Boot the device from the USB/CD/SD
[14:10] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, the main page is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting
[14:10] <ian_brasil> followed by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[14:10] <Il__Matteo> persia, my mobile has got a 8gb microsd, indeed
[14:11] <ian_brasil> what i did was follow the daily meetings and the summaries sent to the mobile lists
[14:11] <ian_brasil> and add them to the template page
[14:11] <Il__Matteo> the big trouble is that now it looks like completely dead!!! :°°°°
[14:11] <ian_brasil> then add that page to the main reporting page each month
[14:11] <ian_brasil> it is not much work if you do it like that
[14:12] <JamieBennett> ian_brasil: seems like not many teams are using it?
[14:12] <persia> Il__Matteo: Do you have a copy of the original software?  You may have to force a flash to get it to work (but with software USB gadget, that might mean finding some other way to access the chip)
[14:12] <JamieBennett> (apart from loco's)
[14:14] <Il__Matteo> persia, no backup copy of the original software. So let's see whether i have understood: i need to force the mobile's flash in order to make Ubuntu work?
[14:14] <persia> JamieBennett: There's constant calls to use it, but few teams actually report anything, unfortunately.
[14:14] <JamieBennett> persia: so it is of value to do this?
[14:15] <persia> Il__Matteo: No, but you need to be able to boot your device from SD or CD or USB, and your device needs to be supported by the Ubuntu kernel (or you need to have constructed and prepared a special kernel).
[14:15] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, this is the page you need to add the reports to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[14:16] <persia> JamieBennett: Immensely.  It's the official primary way in which Ubuntu communicates activities to everyone.  When teams don't participate, people have to chase mailing lists, wiki updates, bugs, IRC logs (often in multiple channels), and many other sources to have any idea what is happening.
[14:16] <ian_brasil> most teams write a report..certainly foundations, kde and tech board
[14:16] <Il__Matteo> persia, do you see any opportunity to restore my device? :° did i murder it once and forever?
[14:17] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, it is also a great way to keep yourself informed about what is happening
[14:17] <persia> Il__Matteo: I don't know anything about your specific device, so don't have clear advice.  Some of my devices have multiple flash areas, so I don't have to overwrite the bootloader when I install images.  Other of my devices have hardware DIP switches that allow me to use a bootloader from an SD card.  You need to read the docs on your device to find a mechanism for restoration.
[14:18] <persia> Il__Matteo: Your best source is probably a device-specific forum.  I'd recommend searching for "bricked China Phone 007".
[14:18] <ian_brasil> i really liked doing it for this reason..and my bad i let it slip off my plate
[14:18] <JamieBennett> ian_brasil: I see only Xubuntu reporting there (team distro wise) why are others not doing it? (this is what worries me, is there a need for this? if so why aren't the other teams doing it?)
[14:18] <JamieBennett> (I'm not against doing it though)
[14:19] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, it picks up as the cycle moves towards release
[14:19] <ian_brasil> it is also a good way to get info included on the fridge and UWN
[14:20] <persia> JamieBennett: Different teams do it and drop it, mostly depending on how often they get harassed by external parties.
[14:20] <Il__Matteo> persia, the documentation is very poor and i haven't find a specific forum yet. thanks anyway, i guess i threw 140€ down the drain :D
[14:20] <ian_brasil> to raise the mobile profile a bit more
[14:20] <JamieBennett> I'll try it and see how it goes then.
[14:20] <Il__Matteo> bye everybody
[14:21] <ian_brasil> JamieBennett, if you need anything ping me ok
[14:21] <persia> Il__Matteo: Good luck on getting your phone working again.  If you can get it up, come back, and we can help see if you can get Ubuntu running on it.
[14:21] <JamieBennett> thanks
[14:21] <persia> Note that Ubuntu doesn't make a good phone, so you won't be able to make calls or anything.
[18:36] <robertjw> On loading UNR 9.04 on a Classmate Convertible, I notice that the touch screen is not supported.
[18:36] <robertjw> The touch driver is available from the vendor.
[18:36] <robertjw> Any thoughts about adding it to UNR?
[18:38] <robertjw> see driver sources at:  http://www.eturbotouch.com.tw/english/s_download_center.asp