[08:38] <davmor2> Morning All
[10:07] <yos> After todays distribution upgrade, I can't use kppp to connect to the internet
[10:14] <davmor2> yos: you might want to let #kubuntu-devel know that
[10:16] <yos> I'm on ubuntu...I just finished filing a bug report
[10:18] <davmor2> yos: out of interest if your on ubuntu why use kppp to connect to the net does network-manager not do it for you?
[10:19] <yos> It is for a broadband dongle that I use for the internet...network manager doesn't work for it
[10:20] <davmor2> yos: hope you file a bug against that?
[10:20] <yos> I did
[10:20] <yos> I used ubuntu-bug to report it
[10:21] <davmor2> yos: I meant the dongle.  Most are supported out of the box
[10:21] <yos> I have two dongles
[10:21] <yos> neither of them work out of the box
[10:22] <davmor2> yos: I have 3 here and they all work
[10:22] <yos> I'm using wvdial right now
[10:22] <davmor2> 1 three, 1 orange and 1 t-mobile
[10:22] <yos> Novatel U727
[10:23] <yos> and the other, Sierra Wireless compass 888
[10:24] <yos> Don't know exactly where to file the bug reports for them.  With network-manager?
[10:29] <davmor2> yos: yes just do lspci -vvnn > lspci.txt with the dongle in and report it as "name-of-dongle 3g dongle doesn't work with network-manager".  or something similar.
[10:31] <yos> lspci -vvnn > lspci.txt didn't do anything
[10:34] <davmor2> yos: you should have a file in the folder your in that is called lspci.txt just attach it to the bug report
[10:35] <yos> I am using ubuntu-bug network-manager to report it now...I will attach that file to it
[10:40] <yos> Where is lspci.txt located?
[10:40] <yos> davmor2, ^^
[10:41] <davmor2> yos: try in your home directory
[10:42] <yos> Ok, found it
[10:45] <yos> Wow, that sent a lot of files with the bug report
[10:45] <davmor2> yos: the lspci -vvnn is useful in that it list the hardware very verbosely and contains all the names including manufacturer etc.  It's a very useful tool when reporting hardware issues
[10:46] <yos> I won't be able to file the report with my other dongle until I can get kppp sorted
[10:48] <davmor2> yos: well when you get chance just do the same thing again only do lspci -vvnn > lspci1.txt
[10:53] <yos> davmor2, thank you; I have made a note of that for future reference
[14:04] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3 how's things
[14:04] <cr3> davmor2: hey dude
[14:04] <fader_> davmor2: Howdy man
[14:04] <cr3> davmor2: same ol', same ol'
[14:04] <davmor2> cr3: don't run live cds they're ummm broken no networking no installer
[14:06] <fader_> davmor2: Yeah, but a Real Man doesn't need an installer.  Just a magnet and tweezers.
[14:06] <cr3> davmor2: I tried them yesterday and language pack didn't seem to be installing
[14:06] <davmor2> cr3: No this is crashing ubiquity
[14:07] <cr3> I just whistle modem noises into my oscilloscope and magnetise the disk directly
[14:07] <davmor2> fader_: Yeah but I'm testing it out for losers like you dude ;)
[14:07] <fader_> davmor2: touché
[14:08] <davmor2> fader_: :D
[14:08] <davmor2> I'm assuming that was meant to read touche
[14:09] <davmor2> cr3: alternate seems okay though on a plus note :)
[14:09] <davmor2> moustafa: morning
[14:10] <fader_> davmor2: Nah, it was supposed to read "touché"... not my fault if your font doesn't even support French characters ;)
[14:11] <cr3> davmor2: yeah, just installed it
[14:11] <cr3> thank goodness for that, I need to get some tests working today
[14:11] <moustafa> davmor2: Morning
[14:11] <moustafa> cr3: L-Shape!
[14:12] <moustafa> fader_ : Voici mon passeport!
[14:12] <fader_> moustafa: Je voudrais un croissant.
[14:12] <moustafa> cr3: That's right, he would like a croissant.
[14:12] <cr3> moustafa: line piece
[14:13] <moustafa> cr3: Thou art a vengeful god!
[14:14] <moustafa> For people to get what I anc cr3 are talking about, refer to this: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1924722
[15:08] <fader_> davmor2: Out of curiosity, are the systems that don't have networking for you broadcom based using the bnx2 driver?
[15:08] <fader_> I just reported bug 494052 against d-i and wonder if it's hitting ubiquity as well
[15:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494052 in debian-installer "bnx2 driver cannot find firmware" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494052
[15:08] <davmor2> fader_: no it's onlt the live cd
[15:09] <davmor2> pitti: davmor2: network-manager problem> ah, got it; it's a dhcp3-client/apparmor problem; sudo aa-complain dhclient3 fixes it
[15:09] <davmor2> pitti: (I got some violations in dmesg)
[15:09] <davmor2> pitti: it stumbles over /rofs again
[15:09] <davmor2> only even
[15:09] <fader_> davmor2: Ah, so networking works for you on the alternate?
[15:09] <davmor2> yeap
[15:10] <fader_> I see... thanks
[15:48] <fagan> hmmmm when should I start upgrade testing
[15:48] <fagan> I was thinking alpha 2
[15:49] <fagan> Any reason I should start earlier?
[15:50] <fagan> Oh and cr3 I can do some regression testing tomorrow (im getting my spare machine back from my dad) could you put the steps to do the tests into a wiki for me?
[15:52] <fagan> mvo: do you have a ppa with new versions of the software center I can test?
[15:56]  * fagan will bring up the upgrade testing at the qa team meeting 
[16:02] <fader_> fagan: Good idea about bringing this up at the team meeting; people might have reasons that we need to start earlier
[16:04] <fagan> actually fader_ is there a wiki so I can add it to the agenda?
[16:08] <fagan> ah ill just ask marjo to add it tomorrow at the meeting
[16:08] <mvo> fagan: a ppa with a karmic backport? or for lucid?
[16:09] <fader_> fagan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/
[16:09] <fagan> lucid
[16:09] <fagan> thanks fader_
[16:09] <fader_> fagan: No problem :)
[16:10] <fagan> mvo: lucid
[16:10] <mvo> fagan: ok, lucid is usually very current, i uploaded a new version today
[16:11] <fagan> Yep I got it
[16:11] <fagan> I was just thinking that you might have a more regularly updated ppa
[16:11] <mvo> there is a bzr snapshot ppa too (https://edge.launchpad.net/~software-store-developers/+archive/daily-build)
[16:12] <mvo> joerge runs that
[16:12] <fagan> I think ill add that
[16:12]  * fagan likes the bleeding edge
[16:14] <moustafa> Wasn't there a bleeding edge team/ppa for Ubuntu before?
[16:15]  * fagan would be interested in that team
[16:16] <fagan> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bleedingedge
[16:17] <moustafa> Damn, was about to post the link
[16:17] <moustafa> It's too bad that the lastest package they have is from 2008
[16:17] <fagan> hah
[16:17] <fagan> Well maybe we can revive it
[16:19] <moustafa> That would be interesting.  Although I don't have much experience in terms of packaging, but that can be remedied
[16:19] <fagan> Id like if the developers would upload all of the bleeding edge packages for us
[16:20] <fagan> and we just test them
[16:20] <fagan> So it should be for stuff that really needs testing
[16:20]  * fagan adds it to the qa team meeting so we all can have a say on it
[16:25] <moustafa> Bleeding edge stuff is fun.  I hope the qa team approves
[16:26] <fagan> I was thinking of making it a beginners testing team
[16:27] <fagan> So people can dive in and test the stuff before it gets into the repos
[16:28] <moustafa> Getting the most out of those who want the latest and greatest to be included in the next distro
[16:29] <fagan> thats the idea
[16:54] <soren> Whoo! Graphical installs working in kvm-autotest.
[16:54]  * soren goes to dinner, and will finish the first few steps files off this evening
[18:12] <davmor2> cr3: back dude
[18:14] <cr3> davmor2: man, I've been answering each of your private messages but it seems the netsplit got the best of us
[18:15] <cr3> davmor2: I'm on my way out to lunch, I'll ping you when I return
[18:15] <davmor2> cr3: That's what I assumed that's why I came onto the channel :)(
[18:15] <davmor2> no probs
[21:22] <davmor2> RIght I'm off guys tty tomorrow have a nice night and thanks again cr3 :)
[21:23] <cr3> I wish there were python-o's cereal
[21:27] <fader_> cr3: http://img376.imageshack.us/i/1337cereal070kh7.jpg/ is the closest thing they sell in the stores in Boston
[21:32] <cr3> fader_: they really have that?
[21:32] <cr3> sbeattie: yo, the 500Mb download of the qa-regression-testing suite is causing pain in my datacenters: extremely slow.
[21:33] <cr3> sbeattie: so, I will be extending checkbox-satellite to create a local copy of it as well as the other third party suites so that the systems connected on the network can refer to the local copy instead
[21:34] <sbeattie> that seems reasonable, I think.
[21:34] <cr3> since I use a caching proxy, I thought that would help significantly, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. I haven't looked into the reason, maybe bzr sets the no-cache header, not sure
[21:35] <cr3> this makes the setup much more complicated though, but nothing I can't handle in time for alpha-1 (crossing fingers)
[21:35] <cr3> fader_: oatmeal is the sux!
[21:36] <fader_> cr3: that is where I get all my 1337 sk1llz d00d
[21:36] <fader_> All mad crazy downloading my OS and stuff without paying for it
[21:39] <cr3> fader_: instead of a toy, do you get a cd of 0-day warez?
[21:40] <fader_> cr3: The prize in the last box was a bump key
[21:54] <soren> cr3: Dear, oh dear. autotest is a beast.
[21:54] <cr3> soren: yeah, leave that one to me.
[21:54] <soren> cr3: I'm using it right now. The kvm-autotest magic is all intertwined in it.
[21:55] <soren> cr3: autotest itself had 3 or 4 processes running, each consuming 300-400 MB of memory. Doing a server install in a VM at the same time took forever.
[21:56] <cr3> soren: hm, how come it's so intertwined?
[21:58] <soren> cr3: Setting the VM up with all its configuration and stuff is a bit tricky, and then you have to hook up a python script to talk to it. Because it's tricky, there's a script that does it, but it's only runnable by autotest (because autotest does weird, black(!) python magic to work).
[22:00] <cr3> soren: magic is usually not a good thing, do you have this in a bzr tree?
[22:00] <soren> cr3: I'm waiting for the launchpad import to finish.
[22:00] <soren> cr3: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~soren/autotest/trunk
[22:00] <soren> cr3: once that's pulled, I'll push my changes.
[22:00] <soren> Probably tomorrow morning. I need to spend a bit of time with the family.
[22:01] <cr3> soren: yeah man, it's really late, /quit!
[22:01] <soren> I have the first server install test fully automated. It's wicked.
[22:01]  * soren waves goodbye and vanishes
[22:03] <moustafa> well, good evening everyone
[22:03] <moustafa> and squiggily
[22:15] <cr3> pip pip, cheerio