| JontheEchidna | there's no polkit-1-qt yet, is the problem | 00:08 |
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| nixternal | JontheEchidna: why doesn't it fall back to regular polkit-qt then? | 00:11 |
| JontheEchidna | it does. if you didn't have polkit-qt it'd complain about that too ;-) | 00:11 |
| nixternal | I built polkit-qt though from kdesupport | 00:12 |
| JontheEchidna | that's still regular polkit-qt | 00:13 |
| nixternal | kauth can't use regular polkit-qt? | 00:13 |
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| Riddell | I'd have expected it still to have polkit 0.9 in there but maybe not | 00:15 |
| nixternal | cmakelists has both polkit and polkit-1 | 00:16 |
| nixternal | if (NOT POLKITQT_MIN_VERSION) set(POLKITQT_MIN_VERSION "0.9.0") | 00:18 |
| nixternal | endif (NOT POLKITQT_MIN_VERSION) | 00:18 |
| nixternal | that is the FindPolkitQt module | 00:18 |
| JontheEchidna | kde4libs-4.3.80/kdecore/CMakeLists.txt suggests the existence of two backends for KAuth | 00:19 |
| nixternal | ahhhh!!! | 00:19 |
| nixternal | polkit and polkit-qt-1 are in kdereview | 00:19 |
| nixternal | sneaky lil bastards :) | 00:20 |
| * JontheEchidna was wondering where the work/ branch for polkit-qt-1 went | 00:20 | |
| nixternal | polkit-kde and polkit-qt-1 that is | 00:21 |
| nixternal | find * | grep polkit-qt-1 FTW | 00:21 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm... the webkit kpart is pretty good | 00:25 |
| Sput | fwiw, on my box 4.3.81 builds fine with the older version | 00:30 |
| Sput | 0.9.2 or whatever it was | 00:30 |
| JontheEchidna | I do find that the KAuth stuff mostly doesn't work, though. Throughs a really helpful "error 4" | 00:30 |
| JontheEchidna | s/throughs/throws | 00:31 |
| ScottK | debfx: Thanks for the patch update. I'll take care of uploading it after the Alpha 1 freeze is over. | 00:40 |
| ScottK | Did kde4libs get fixed? | 00:41 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Archive: Main frozen for Alpha 1 | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | ||
| nixternal | Sput: yeah, it builds fine but kauth isn't working as it should | 00:44 |
| Sput | nixternal: might be :) just saying it doesn't build the fake backend for me, but the real one | 00:45 |
| nixternal | really...damn thing tells me just the fake one | 00:45 |
| nixternal | I am building on debian unstable | 00:45 |
| Sput | lemme doublecheck | 00:46 |
| nixternal | shit, it is building it now | 00:46 |
| Sput | -- found polkit-qt, version 0.9.2 | 00:47 |
| Sput | -- Found PolkitQt: /usr/include/PolicyKit | 00:47 |
| Sput | -- Building PolkitQt KAuth backend | 00:47 |
| Sput | yeah :) | 00:47 |
| nixternal | hrmm, ldconfig might not have updated or something...who knows, but it is working today | 00:47 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: if you ever think kubuntu-users is bad, I just had the misfortune to read the "car news" thread on ubuntu-users which is much worse | 01:13 |
| nhandler | Riddell: Put me in line for a Kubuntu sweater like that ;) | 01:20 |
| Riddell | talk nicely to davmor2 | 01:22 |
| dtchen | yet another reason to love Konsole: it notifies me when I press C-s | 01:25 |
| JontheEchidna | nothing else compares | 01:25 |
| jjesse | i wonder if my wife would like a kubuntu sweater for christmas :) | 01:32 |
| dtchen | I think we all need Tardis usb hubs | 01:35 |
| jjesse | i want one :) | 01:40 |
| claydoh | Riddell actually kubuntu-users is pretty calm and quiet these days, tho we could use more techically-minded subscribers in there | 02:48 |
| dtchen | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/08/uk-man-builds-life-sized-dalek-furthers-intergalactic-evil/ | 03:14 |
| nixternal | Riddell: that is a spiffy sweather you got on there :) | 03:31 |
| nixternal | dtchen: if only yakuake would follow suit on C-s | 03:31 |
| dtchen | haven't used it before. Does it pop up notifications, too? | 03:33 |
| nixternal | nah...but I am guessing it will with the next release that contains a lot of the fixes for konsole though | 03:33 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: Internet submenus are back :s | 04:22 |
| JontheEchidna | never was reverted in trunk, nor anything done further it seems | 04:24 |
| freeflying | kmail re-get all my mails from pop server again, no idea what happens | 04:26 |
| freeflying | and unfortunately, I'm using a limited 3G subscription | 04:27 |
| freeflying | wired | 04:27 |
| freeflying | guys, is there any backend changed i last couple of days? | 04:28 |
| ScottK | freeflying: Karmic or Lucid? | 04:28 |
| freeflying | ScottK: lucid | 04:28 |
| ScottK | freeflying: Yes. Just uploaded an entire new KDE. | 04:29 |
| freeflying | ScottK: so its a bug of kmail? | 04:30 |
| ScottK | I'm not sure. | 04:30 |
| ScottK | It may be akonadi. | 04:30 |
| ScottK | Anyone know if kmail for 4.4 ended up using akonadi for mail? | 04:31 |
| freeflying | ScottK: at least it should tag all exist mail as feteched, right? | 04:31 |
| ScottK | freeflying: Normally, but if something happens that it forgets it's download history. | 04:31 |
| ScottK | ... | 04:31 |
| freeflying | ScottK: luckly, I'm just using kmail for working mail, so onle 1.5G data there :) | 04:32 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: It's not set to use akonadi for mail until 4.5 | 04:32 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: OK. Thanks. | 04:32 |
| JontheEchidna | KAddressBook should use akonadi now, though | 04:32 |
| ScottK | kdeadmin FTBFS should be fixed. | 04:54 |
| JontheEchidna | should just need a rebuild | 04:55 |
| ScottK | Too late. | 04:55 |
| JontheEchidna | though for all my kubuntu-dev powars I don't see a rebuild button | 04:56 |
| ScottK | Even if there is normally an indirect depends on libx11-dev, it's still a bug to not have it as a package depends | 04:56 |
| * ScottK already uploaded ubuntu2 | 04:56 | |
| nixternal | of course, I can never build kdebindings in trunk | 05:05 |
| nixternal | aye, google chrome beta == shit | 05:07 |
| nixternal | no user scripts, no bookmark syncing | 05:07 |
| nixternal | err, wrong channel | 05:09 |
| ScottK | Looks like kdepim on amd64 just needed a retry. | 05:22 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna or nixternal: Any ideas on http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36603315/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kdeplasma-addons_4%3A4.3.80-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 05:23 |
| ScottK | I assume a missing include, but what? Google didn't help me on that one. | 05:24 |
| JontheEchidna | nope, though I do see that the libkexiv2-7 build-dep needs to be bumped to libkexiv2-8-dev | 05:26 |
| ScottK | So what's the replacement for kivio? | 05:30 |
| * ScottK is so screwed without that. | 05:30 | |
| ScottK | Lure: Help. Rebuilding kdeplasma-addons with the libkexiv2-8-dev causes http://paste.ubuntu.com/337793/ | 06:17 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Looks like we are still without a building kdeplasma-addons. I need to sleep, so good luck. | 06:19 |
| markey | Riddell: that knitted thing is freaking amazing :) | 07:21 |
| markey | looks really neat | 07:21 |
| nixternal | ooh, kubuntu lucid looks pretty dressed in all black | 07:21 |
| * nixternal kicks the desktop | 07:22 | |
| * markey remembers some kind of garb that akalabeth once made, let's say it looked more like a trash bag | 07:22 | |
| nixternal | haha | 07:22 |
| Tm_T | I'm puzzled with what those are doing in #k | 07:28 |
| nixternal | heh, you and I both | 07:44 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: didnt we revert them upstream or something? | 07:59 |
| apachelogger | anyhow, now is the time to revert it upstream I suppose | 07:59 |
| apachelogger | revert0r! | 07:59 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: ping | 08:00 |
| Darkwing-Netbook | is the Lucid upgrade to 4.4 workable yet? | 08:03 |
| Darkwing-Netbook | and by workable I mean a very very fuzzy workable | 08:04 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: pong | 08:04 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: is there some sensible way to launch kdesu in kde4 you know if? | 08:05 |
| apachelogger | sensible being not manually pathing to libexec/kdesu | 08:05 |
| nixternal | if there is, I haven't come across it yet, and neither has any other distro that I know of | 08:06 |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 08:08 |
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| apachelogger | nixternal: one could obtain the libexec path via kde4-config though | 08:09 |
| apachelogger | seems a bit too cpu heavy considering the use though ;) | 08:09 |
| Darkwing-Netbook | yofel: you know if the newest update for lucid still freezes the system? | 08:09 |
| apachelogger | `kde4-config --path libexec`/kdesu | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | looks fancy after all :D | 08:13 |
| nixternal | lol | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | http://imagebin.ca/view/z8-2iLi.html :( | 08:14 |
| Lure | ScottK, Riddell: re kdeplasma-addons failure: it looks like kdegraphics package is wrong and not including all include files | 08:17 |
| Lure | I see in build log that kexiv2data.h is installed by build: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36539779/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kdegraphics_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz | 08:18 |
| Lure | so I suspect somebody forgot to update .install files | 08:18 |
| nixternal | Lure: yeah, I was just looking at the package.... kdegraphics seems hosed right now | 08:18 |
| Lure | And it seems many files are missing: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/i386/libkexiv2-8-dev/filelist | 08:18 |
| nixternal | actually, kdepim is hosed, kdegraphics is hosed, kdebase-runtime had issues with a shitload of file overwrites | 08:19 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 08:19 |
| Lure | not a great start of -1 day for alpha :-( | 08:19 |
| nixternal | Lure: I thought the same | 08:21 |
| nixternal | I got to the point I just shut off my build box | 08:21 |
| nixternal | kde-trunk and kubuntu lucid both pissed me off | 08:21 |
| apachelogger | uh uh uh | 08:25 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: most perfect option is PATH=`kde4-config --path exe` kdesu -- "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade -d -m desktop -f kde -p" | 08:25 |
| Lure | ScottK, Riddell: I think we should not include individual include files as in .install file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdegraphics/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/libkexiv2-8-dev.install | 08:25 |
| nixternal | jesus, seriously? | 08:25 |
| * apachelogger migt be going crazy here :S | 08:25 | |
| Lure | I think inclduign whole dir, i.e. "usr/include/libkexiv2" is more correct (future proof) | 08:25 |
| apachelogger | Lure: I think debian likes it file-by-file | 08:26 |
| Lure | apachelogger: do you know the reason? | 08:26 |
| nixternal | Lure: I typically always do 'usr/include/foo/*' or 'usr/include/*' | 08:26 |
| apachelogger | nope | 08:26 |
| apachelogger | cant think of one either | 08:26 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: +1 | 08:26 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: you are correct, it is because debian likes to list out every damn file | 08:26 |
| nixternal | but...and a big but....Debian doesn't have these issues when they upload? | 08:27 |
| Lure | for these dirs, it really does not make sense... | 08:27 |
| Lure | that is the reason why they are in subdir, right | 08:27 |
| nixternal | my question is this...why is this package getting thrown up to the build servers? obviously it wasn't test built locally | 08:27 |
| Lure | nixternal: problem is that it fails on build-deps | 08:27 |
| apachelogger | well, that could even be if it was testbuilt | 08:28 |
| nixternal | it didn't fail build-dep for me locally, the addons package that is | 08:28 |
| Lure | nixternal: so kdegraphics is "fine", but kdeplasma-addons is not, as it depends on kdegraphics | 08:28 |
| * apachelogger thinks about a pocket restriction hook for pbuilder | 08:28 | |
| nixternal | if my build-dep fails, pbuilder kicks out right away with the error code | 08:28 |
| apachelogger | I imagine even if testbuilt a universe dep could slip in and thus cause build-wait on the buildds | 08:28 |
| nixternal | the code never makes sense, but it at least tells me which package it failed on | 08:29 |
| apachelogger | so | 08:30 |
| Lure | so, should we go debian way or more pragmatic way (there are 5 -dev packages in kdegraphics) | 08:30 |
| apachelogger | a) do-release-upgrade needs a desktop file for fancyness when launching with kdesudo | 08:30 |
| nixternal | Lure: we have to stay the debian way somewhat, otherwise merges become a bigger pain than they already are | 08:31 |
| apachelogger | b) we need to backport a fix to enable kpk to export a env var so that a dist-upgrade script can check this | 08:31 |
| apachelogger | c) we need to make the pk dist-upgrade script do that | 08:31 |
| Lure | nixternal: ok, will then add list of missing files to bzr | 08:31 |
| nixternal | I would love to find a happy medium...I would love to ship kick ass packages, I don't care how they were built :) | 08:31 |
| apachelogger | d) we need to kill off the upgrade checking of update-notifier-kde in karmic | 08:31 |
| * apachelogger does not think that the chain of a to d qualifies for SRU :D | 08:32 | |
| * Lure checks all 5 -dev packages | 08:32 | |
| * apachelogger would be interested if the list-missing magic did fail | 08:33 | |
| nixternal | right, list-missing has been hit or miss with me in the past | 08:35 |
| apachelogger | I noticed that too, I didnt find out why though | 08:38 |
| * apachelogger should just reimplement in ruby :P | 08:38 | |
| Lure | apachelogger, nixternal, Riddell, ScottK: kdegraphics fix for -dev packages pushed to bzr - should fix kdeplasma-addons build | 08:45 |
| nixternal | groovy...I will go ahead and grab it, then uplaod it | 08:46 |
| Lure | and I have again forgot to add UNRELEASED, but you got the point ;-) | 08:47 |
| Lure | nixternal: thanks | 08:47 |
| nixternal | Lure: I forget to add it all of the time, but it is going straight for upload | 08:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: I am missing sandals on the knitware picture ;-) | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 09:11 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: Lure: indeed IMHO UNRELEASED only makes sense when no immediate upload is happening | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | i.e. to prevent people from creating a new version when the current one is not even uploaded yet | 09:12 |
| Quintasan|Szel | hello | 09:13 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: nice blog post and pic boy it looks cold up there. I'll let Sue see it, it'll cheer her up immensely :) | 09:15 |
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| nixternal | Rejected: | 09:28 |
| nixternal | <lp.archiveuploader.permission.CannotUploadToPocket object at 0x7792ed0> | 09:28 |
| nixternal | Lure: ^^ kdegraphics was rejected for that reason | 09:28 |
| nixternal | Lure, apachelogger, ScottK, Riddell: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/93441 <- kdegraphics was rejected due to: <lp.archiveuploader.permission.CannotUploadToPocket object at 0x7792ed0> | 09:34 |
| * nixternal goes to bed | 09:34 | |
| nixternal | g'nite | 09:34 |
| ghostcube | morning | 09:35 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: about kubuntu-users: since I sent some of the 4 yorkshiremen off-topicres to sounder, they are making sounder going berserk | 09:44 |
| Mamarok | but Kubuntu-users has pretty much turned into something useful now | 09:44 |
| Mamarok | but it really needs heavy moderation and vigilance | 09:45 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: nice jumper! :D | 10:25 |
| Tm_T | Mamarok: appreciate your hard work (: | 10:34 |
| ghostcube | heh everyone knows bofh ? i got a new one for kubuntu users and devs | 10:35 |
| ghostcube | COFE | 10:35 |
| ghostcube | chief operator from earth :P | 10:35 |
| Mamarok | Tm_T: thanks :) | 10:50 |
| Mamarok | I don't remember, but I think we did point you folks to this problem with glibc, right? -> http://www.purinchu.net/wp/2009/11/16/malloc_check_-crashes/ | 11:11 |
| Mamarok | we have a lot of crash reports with Amarok because of that | 11:12 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: ^^ | 11:12 |
| Sput | half of KDE crashes with that | 11:17 |
| Sput | easiest fix: MALLOC_CHECK_= | 11:18 |
| Sput | (e.g. in $KDEHOME/env) | 11:18 |
| Lure | Riddell: it seems I was able to trick nixternal to try to upload kdegraphics to karmic instead of lucid. Have marked as UNRELEASED in bzr. Can you grab and upload to lucid? | 11:20 |
| ScottK | Lure: You test built this? | 11:36 |
| apachelogger | malloc \o/ | 11:45 |
| apachelogger | *file_path = malloc(strlen(argv[1] + 3) + 1); | 11:45 |
| apachelogger | all I say regarding that matter :P | 11:45 |
| Quintasan|Szel | new > malloc | 11:45 |
| Quintasan|Szel | :P | 11:45 |
| * apachelogger tends to disagree | 11:47 | |
| * apachelogger contineus with if(*file_path == NULL) | 11:48 | |
| apachelogger | return ERR_CODE_OUT_OF_MEM; | 11:48 |
| Quintasan|Szel | well whatever, I need to work on project neon files :P | 11:48 |
| ScottK | Lure: Uploaded. | 11:48 |
| apachelogger | oh my, that is still not done? :P | 11:48 |
| ScottK | Riddell: You can ignore Lure's plea for an upload. | 11:49 |
| Quintasan|Szel | apachelogger: I will do it from Riddell's computer in back room sice my connection is a PITA | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | supporting my claim that soyus is currently unfitted for daily builds | 11:50 |
| Quintasan|Szel | uploading 150 MB with 20kb/s will take hell lot of time | 11:50 |
| Quintasan|Szel | at thats only libs ' | 11:50 |
| Riddell | ScottK: ok, thanks | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan|Szel: what libs is that? | 11:50 |
| Riddell | Quintasan|Szel: I'll need to turn it on when you want it | 11:50 |
| Quintasan|Szel | apachelogger: amarok-nightly-kdesupport :P | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | now that is really pics :P | 11:51 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I think we will need rebuilds of digikam, kipi-plugins, and kdeplasma-addons after the kdegraphics upload I just did gets built. | 11:51 |
| apachelogger | even though oxygen is just one big load of pixels and vectors :P | 11:51 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan|Szel: that said, you probably could strip the SVGs | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | that should make the tar a bit lighter | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | even then I find 150 a bit on the heavy side | 11:52 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Would you have a look at the most recent kdeplasma-addons build failure? When we were testing it, we had marble from KDE 4.3 (as EDU was late). It seems not to like the 4.3.80 marble. | 11:52 |
| Riddell | can do | 11:52 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 11:52 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I also just did a meta upload to get the new plasma-desktop package in kubuntu-desktop. | 11:53 |
| ScottK | Also dropped lpia, but I now notice I forgot to mention that in debian/changelog | 11:54 |
| Quintasan|Szel | Riddell: I will be back in home within half and hour so turn it on by then please | 11:55 |
| Quintasan|Szel | WTF gluon's still building on amd64?! wtf 23 hours | 11:55 |
| ghostcube | oo | 11:56 |
| Riddell | does it use kdelibs? could it be the issue we had yesterday with endless locales? | 11:56 |
| Quintasan|Szel | hmm, can't really rember now but it probably does depend on kdelibs5-dev | 11:57 |
| Quintasan|Szel | it built on i386 with no problems | 11:57 |
| ScottK | Riddell: No, it's kde support stuff. | 11:57 |
| Lex79 | good morning | 12:00 |
| Quintasan|Szel | Lex79: hi | 12:00 |
| Lex79 | o/ | 12:00 |
| Quintasan|Szel | hm, japanese grammatic book, nice | 12:03 |
| Quintasan|Szel | looks like I need to plan my free time :O | 12:05 |
| Lure | ScottK: thanks | 12:06 |
| Lure | ScottK: for digikam, we also need to wait for latest marble | 12:07 |
| ScottK | Lure: We have it now. | 12:07 |
| Lure | ScottK: ok, great | 12:08 |
| ScottK | The problem with plasma-addons is it doesn't work with the new ones. | 12:08 |
| Lure | ScottK: how can this be? | 12:08 |
| ScottK | Not sure. | 12:09 |
| ScottK | That's why I asked Riddell to look into it. | 12:09 |
| Lure | .me checks | 12:09 |
| Lure | ScottK: according to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36603514/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdeplasma-addons_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz it looks like wrong version of libkexiv2 is tried | 12:11 |
| Lure | or you are looking on some other build log? | 12:11 |
| ScottK | Lure: That's true and I have a fix prepared for that. | 12:11 |
| Quintasan|Szel | ScottK: wait, wasn't it building properly? | 12:11 |
| ScottK | Perhaps I misread the cause of the error. | 12:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: ^^^ | 12:12 |
| ScottK | Quintasan|Szel: We didn't switch to the new versions of the kdegraphics libraries (both of us missed that). | 12:12 |
| Riddell | it does look like it's after the wrong libkexiv | 12:13 |
| Riddell | I'll try it in a chroot | 12:13 |
| Quintasan|Szel | Oh I see, well my bad then. And it has problems with libs? | 12:13 |
| Quintasan|Szel | urgh, 7 UTC seems impossible for me, 5th January left then | 12:14 |
| ScottK | Lure: Did you do the new digikam/kipi-plugins uploads yet? | 12:22 |
| Riddell | kdeplasma-addons compiling fine with new libkexiv | 12:23 |
| ScottK | Cool. | 12:23 |
| Riddell | I'll uploading it build-deping on libkexiv2-8-dev (>= 4:4.3.80-0ubuntu2) | 12:24 |
| ScottK | So once kdegraphics is published, we'll need digikam, kipi-plugins, kdeplasma-addons, and showfoto then? | 12:24 |
| Riddell | yes although we don't need to wait on digikam stuff for CDs | 12:25 |
| ScottK | Right. | 12:26 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Also koffice shows up on the NBS list for libkdcraw7-dev too. | 12:26 |
| Riddell | I'll also upload kdebase-runtime which doesn't recommend pmount | 12:26 |
| Riddell | koffice needs s/-kde4// done anyway for its package names | 12:26 |
| Riddell | which is a job for after alpha 1 I think | 12:27 |
| ScottK | OK. | 12:27 |
| ScottK | EDU needs a post-alpha 1 update for new applications. | 12:28 |
| * ScottK got the existing stuff building, but didn't get to the new binaries. | 12:28 | |
| Riddell | yeah, and MIRs for libssh and libortp (although I seem to remember having looked at those in the past) | 12:28 |
| ScottK | libssh MIR is done. | 12:29 |
| ScottK | Just waiting for review. | 12:29 |
| Riddell | groovy | 12:29 |
| Quintasan|Szel | Riddell: so we are promoting libortp? I just removed it bzr. | 12:29 |
| Riddell | and of course there's the phonon and kdebindings lark | 12:29 |
| ScottK | The shared-desktop-ontologies MIR also needs approval (but I put it in Main anyway for now) | 12:30 |
| ScottK | Quintasan|Szel: We need to remove it until it gets approved for Main. | 12:30 |
| Quintasan|Szel | okay, I will push it then | 12:30 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I think we need a kdenetwork upload yet so we have that on 4.3.80 | 12:30 |
| ScottK | (since the first one is depwait) | 12:30 |
| Riddell | hmm? kdenetwork 4:4.3.80-0ubuntu2 is built | 12:31 |
| ScottK | Oh, is it? | 12:31 |
| ScottK | Nevermind then. | 12:31 |
| ScottK | Ah, I see it got taken care of yesterday. Missed that. | 12:32 |
| Riddell | kdegraphics done, I'll upload kdeplasma-addons and then we're ready to look at CDs | 12:35 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Would you please remove the plasma-netbook source from Lucid? The binary is built from kdebase-workspace now. | 12:37 |
| * ryanakca grins at his good fortune, snow day today :) | 12:38 | |
| ryanakca | Anybody interested in testing Kobby packages? | 12:38 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: do we have a server? | 12:39 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: I can setup an IPv6 one... | 12:39 |
| ryanakca | Or here, just a sec, I can fix my router to forward the infinoted port to my desktop for those without IPv6 | 12:40 |
| Riddell | ScottK: vamoosh | 12:41 |
| Riddell | (done) | 12:41 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Nice. Thanks. | 12:41 |
| Riddell | ug, kdeplasma-addons failed | 12:46 |
| Riddell | oh, maybe that's just the old broken libkexiv2-8 packages | 12:46 |
| ScottK | Riddell: If you're going to do another upload, I just remembered that debfx updated his brightness patch. Want that too? | 12:48 |
| ScottK | http://debfx.fobos.de/kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff | 12:49 |
| Riddell | ScottK: wasn't planning to but I'll add it to bzr | 12:52 |
| Riddell | debfx: any luck getting the keys patch upstream? | 12:53 |
| Riddell | debfx: qt picked up the qt bit didn't it? | 12:54 |
| * amik pokes Riddell | 13:10 | |
| Riddell | amik: hello? | 13:11 |
| Riddell | oh, reviews! | 13:11 |
| amik | Riddell: u said I should keep poking :-) | 13:11 |
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| Riddell | true true, let me do that now | 13:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I know debfx asked about it on kde-devel recently and got some positive feedback. I don' t know if it got committed yet. | 13:12 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: nightly@getamarok.com <-- was gpg key to this email linked to your normal key or you had a separate? | 13:15 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan|Szel: seperate | 13:26 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I suppose you know what I'm thinking about :P | 13:29 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: you only reverted in 4.3 branch | 13:33 |
| Riddell | amichair: uploading software-properties | 13:34 |
| Riddell | amichair: anything else I need to look at? | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: well, feel free to revert in trunk due to lacmk of progress, referencing my revert for 4.3 | 13:34 |
| ScottK | Riddell: kubuntu-meta is now all set up on Lucid. I also dropped lpia. | 13:34 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: 'deb http://packages.ryanak.ca/ubuntu/ karmic' should give you the latest kobby/libqinfinity, ryanak.ca:6523 will be the infinoted. | 13:35 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: should Riddell look at jockey or u have it covered? | 13:35 |
| Riddell | ScottK: great | 13:35 |
| ScottK | Someone have time to work on kdeedu? There are (IIRC) two new binary packcages that need to be added to it (list-missing is in bzr). | 13:36 |
| jtechidna | ScottK: I can do that | 13:37 |
| ScottK | jtechidna: Great. It'll be good to get that in soon after Alpha 1. | 13:38 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: sorry, 'deb http://packages.ryanak.ca/ubuntu karmic main' | 13:40 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, plasma-desktop needs to be added to a seed of some sort | 13:40 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: ok I'm connected | 13:40 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna, ScottK: MC guys told me they will try to setup a adhoc meeting at Friday 14UTC, do you have time then? | 13:40 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: how do I edit a collaborative document? | 13:40 |
| ScottK | Quintasan|Szel: Likely. | 13:41 |
| JontheEchidna | whoops, already seeded it looks like. /me reads backlog | 13:41 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: lemme convert timezones | 13:41 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: I made one called "foo" | 13:41 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: should Riddell look at jockey or do you have it covered? | 13:41 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: yeah, I can make it then | 13:41 |
| ryanakca | Yep, Iam connected to it too | 13:41 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Yes, I added plasma-desktop last night. | 13:42 |
| rgreening | Lex79: ping | 13:42 |
| Lex79 | rgreening: pong | 13:42 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Also just did a kubuntu-meta upload to get it into kubuntu-desktop. | 13:42 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: I really will ping pitti today :D | 13:42 |
| rgreening | Lex79: kdesdk seems missing in staging | 13:42 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: btw, I think those plasma applets in plasma-desktop really belong in plasma-widgets-workspace | 13:42 |
| JontheEchidna | or at least windowlist | 13:43 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: They all get built out of workspace/plasma/desktop, not workspace/plasma/generic. | 13:43 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: :-P | 13:43 |
| Lex79 | rgreening: right, I'm going to upload | 13:43 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, ok | 13:43 |
| amichair | Riddell: thanks :-) | 13:44 |
| rgreening | Lex79: cool. ty :) | 13:44 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I split plasma-desktop out based on the upstream split. | 13:44 |
| amichair | Riddell: any comments/suggestions/something to learn for next time? | 13:44 |
| rgreening | Lex79: Im going over the failed builds and retrying where appropriate... | 13:44 |
| Riddell | amichair: poke harder :) | 13:44 |
| Lex79 | rgreening: ok, thanks :) | 13:44 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: ok, I can accept that. | 13:45 |
| amichair | Riddell: and there I was thinking I was being a nuisance poking everyone in circles... | 13:45 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: did we get that patch/fix for kdebindings? Or will it have to wait until next release beta.. | 13:49 |
| JontheEchidna | no clue what's up with kdebindings. dirk respun the tarball like twice and it still wouldn't built | 13:49 |
| ryanakca | Anybody else interested in testing Kobby? | 13:50 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: strange... | 13:50 |
| JontheEchidna | not too terribly strange; bindings don't really get worked on until after the first beta | 13:51 |
| JontheEchidna | due to changing apis and such | 13:51 |
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| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Is konq-plugins uninstallabe? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/lucid_probs.html seems to think so. | 13:56 |
| JontheEchidna | It's installed fine here | 13:56 |
| Quintasan | ScottK, JontheEchidna: okay, thanks I would be very grateful if you could show up then :) | 13:57 |
| amichair | does anyone know how many alpha users are out there (ballpark)? any stats from previous releases? | 14:02 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: pinging pitti in #ubuntu-devel, but he looks very busy at the moment. | 14:02 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe I can convince him to add ~kubuntu-dev to ~jockey-hackers so that I can sponsor the fixes to trunk myself | 14:03 |
| JontheEchidna | btw, that software-properties debian changelog looks just so awesome | 14:03 |
| amichair | I just like seeing the entire soft-props bug list on lp fit on one page now :-P | 14:05 |
| amichair | I hope someone on the gtk side does some cleanup too, to really bring this package to release quality | 14:08 |
| ScottK | Riddell: kdeplasma-addons failed | 14:08 |
| ScottK | Riddell: This is the marble related error I saw before. I don't know how to fix it. | 14:10 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: ^^^ ? | 14:10 |
| JontheEchidna | I sadly don't either :( | 14:11 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Different issue: konq-plugins: Depends: libjpeg-progs but it is not going to be installed | 14:13 |
| JontheEchidna | mm, libjpeg-progs held back here, too | 14:13 |
| JontheEchidna | but dist-upgrade doesn't say it's going to remove konq-plugins | 14:14 |
| ScottK | Looks like a Main/Universe issue | 14:14 |
| JontheEchidna | Ah | 14:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Get:13 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/universe libjpeg7 7-1 [123kB]\ | 14:17 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 14:17 |
| ScottK | I just pinged pitti on #ubuntu-release. Or maybe Riddell will promote it... | 14:18 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Will kdeplasma-addons build if we drop the libmarble-dev build-dep? | 14:19 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: thanks for killing off some more issues, in real-time no less! :-) | 14:20 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: the marble wallpaper plugin would need to be removed from the .install, but otherwise yes | 14:21 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Would you have time to look at that? | 14:21 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: should I upload when I'm ready? | 14:21 |
| ScottK | It's what's blocking our CD builds for Alpha 1. | 14:21 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 14:21 |
| JontheEchidna | that answers that | 14:21 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Unless Riddell appears with a fix. | 14:21 |
| Lex79 | maybe disable marble wallpaper in cmakelists http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/wallpapers/CMakeLists.txt?revision=1040783&view=markup | 14:22 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh! | 14:23 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan's patch makes it try to use the old api | 14:23 |
| JontheEchidna | removing 99_fix_ftbfs_on_marble_wallpaper.diff should fix this | 14:24 |
| * JontheEchidna tests | 14:24 | |
| Quintasan | it worked when I was building it :P | 14:24 |
| Quintasan | Just replaces NormalQuality with Normal | 14:24 |
| JontheEchidna | it was building against the libmarble-dev from KDE 4.3.3 | 14:25 |
| Quintasan | wait, I didn't bump again?! | 14:25 |
| JontheEchidna | libmarble-dev (>= 4:4.3.0) | 14:26 |
| rgreening | lol | 14:26 |
| Lex79 | btw I said yesterday lol | 14:26 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: great :) | 14:26 |
| * Quintasan endures his self-hate | 14:26 | |
| rgreening | Lex79: is that fixed in staging | 14:26 |
| JontheEchidna | Lex79: heh, you did say that yesterday :P | 14:26 |
| Lex79 | rgreening: is a question? :P | 14:26 |
| * Quintasan 's heading to shop | 14:27 | |
| rgreening | Lex79: the marble dep above | 14:27 |
| Quintasan | I'd better bump then build :/ | 14:27 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: if this pbuilds I'll upload | 14:27 |
| Lex79 | rgreening: no, I'll fix when JontheEchidna will upload | 14:28 |
| rgreening | kk | 14:28 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Excellent | 14:28 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: libjpeg7 is promoted, so konq-plugin installability should be fixed. | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | groovy | 14:31 |
| Riddell | hmm, marble sillyness | 14:33 |
| rgreening | Lex79: can you look at this? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36604228/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.kdewebdev_4%3A4.3.80-0ubuntu1%7Ekarmic1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 14:33 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I think JontheEchidna has it sorted. Waiting for a test build. | 14:33 |
| rgreening | Lex79: seems there's a build dep not bumped | 14:33 |
| Riddell | ah | 14:34 |
| Lex79 | rgreening: I uploaded a new version right now, 0ubuntu2 | 14:35 |
| rgreening | kk | 14:35 |
| txwikinger | rgreening: Gotten snow today? | 14:37 |
| rgreening | txwikinger: nope.. tomorrow I think, unless we dumped it all on u | 14:37 |
| rgreening | :) | 14:37 |
| txwikinger | well... we got about 20cm so far | 14:37 |
| txwikinger | and people still haven't learned how to drive in it :D | 14:38 |
| ghostcube | have i mentioned working on balance sheets and so is not funny :P | 14:45 |
| debfx | ScottK, Riddell: the multimedia key patch got committed to trunk | 14:50 |
| Riddell | yay | 14:51 |
| ScottK | debfx: Great news. Thanks. | 14:51 |
| Riddell | debfx: the one for kdelibs? | 14:51 |
| debfx | yes | 14:52 |
| Riddell | debfx: next task kdebase patch? | 14:52 |
| Riddell | probably too late for kde 4.4 though | 14:53 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: removing that patch does fix kdeplasma-addons | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | cool | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | feel free to upload, my computer sucks and is still pbuilding | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: jockey stuff merged. :-) | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | and now I can merge stuff with jockey trunk | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | bbl | 14:57 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Once kdeplasma-addons builds and gets published, I think we're good to go for CD builds. | 14:57 |
| Riddell | uploaded | 15:00 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Do we need to switch kipi-plugins to the new build-dep for Alpha 1? | 15:02 |
| Riddell | yes I'd expect so | 15:02 |
| ScottK | OK. I'll do that one. | 15:03 |
| rgreening | Lex79: why bumping the ubuntu1 to ubuntu2 instead of ppa1 to ppa2 instaging? | 15:04 |
| Lex79 | to see if the packages is sync with lucid | 15:05 |
| Lex79 | *with lucid changes | 15:05 |
| rgreening | ? | 15:06 |
| debfx | Riddell: I'm not so sure about the kdebase patch, someone who knows more about how the brightness is handled in the different layers should have a look at it | 15:08 |
| debfx | for example the fn keys work on my laptop without the patch when KMS is disabled | 15:08 |
| debfx | but with KMS enabled they only work with the patch | 15:09 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: cool! | 15:11 |
| Lex79 | rgreening: if there are changes in lucid packages I have to see every time the changelog in karmic package if is sync. With bumping 0ubuntuX I have to see only the version (0ubuntuX) to see if the karmic packages are sync with lucid changes, maybe JontheEchidna can explain better my thought :) | 15:11 |
| rgreening | I believe there are better ways of doing this | 15:11 |
| rgreening | :) | 15:11 |
| rgreening | i.e. bzr diff the karmic package debian dir against our bzr archive for one. | 15:12 |
| rgreening | sry.. I mean diff the bzr archive against karmic package (debian dirs) | 15:13 |
| rgreening | the bzr contains lucid changes now... and should be updated as each package is updated | 15:13 |
| rgreening | that way you don't end up bumping the revisions of the package needlessly (i.e. the ubuntuX part). Though feel free to update the ~ppaX and achive the same thing you are doing now... | 15:14 |
| rgreening | :) | 15:15 |
| rgreening | at least if I am understanding you... | 15:15 |
| seele | soooo close to the end of the semester, just one more paper | 15:15 |
| seele | then i can rejoin the land of the living | 15:15 |
| Riddell | "just one more paper" can't people spend years writing a single paper? | 15:17 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I whole lifetime. | 15:19 |
| ScottK | I/A | 15:19 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening, Lex79: if you are incorporating all the changes from the lucid packages then technically you are backporting ubuntux, so it would make sense to say so | 15:19 |
| ScottK | rgreening an Lex79: Please do. It makes it a lot easier later to figure out what fixes aren't in the PPA. | 15:19 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: exactly... if its ubuntu2 in lucid, then it's ubuntu2 in karmic | 15:20 |
| rgreening | which was my point :) | 15:20 |
| rgreening | using the ~ppaX to get it right for the backport, prior to removing :) | 15:21 |
| Lex79 | rgreening: I don't understand, I bumped every time 0ubuntuX, what's the problem? :( | 15:22 |
| Lex79 | if the package in lucid is 0ubuntu3 in staging is 0ubuntu3~karmic1~ppa1 | 15:24 |
| rgreening | Correct | 15:27 |
| rgreening | 1 sec... let me look again... | 15:27 |
| rgreening | I may net have the latest cache and was looking at older maybe.. | 15:27 |
| Lex79 | ok, anyway, you said <rgreening> Lex79: why bumping the ubuntu1 to ubuntu2 instead of ppa1 to ppa2 instaging? | 15:28 |
| Lex79 | this is the cause of the misunderstood I think, anyway ok :) | 15:29 |
| rgreening | Lex79: sorry, I was looking at the ninja PPA and didn't realize the packages had updated in archive | 15:29 |
| rgreening | my bad | 15:29 |
| Lex79 | ok no problem | 15:29 |
| Riddell | ooh, 300 e-mails from launchpad, that'll be kdebase-runtime compilied | 15:35 |
| JontheEchidna | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Google+Chrome+Theme+'Sky'?content=116811 oooh... | 15:39 |
| Riddell | ScottK: going to upload kipi-plugins? | 15:45 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Uploaded it (I thought) | 15:45 |
| Riddell | oh yes | 15:45 |
| Riddell | just launchpad doesn't update its version number until the source is published now | 15:45 |
| ScottK | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kipi-plugins/0.9.0-1ubuntu2 | 15:46 |
| Riddell | yep | 15:46 |
| ScottK | Looking at digikam now. | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please replace your released.png with http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/released.png | 15:51 |
| apachelogger | compressed that is ... not that it makes much diff for png :S | 15:51 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: you're that concerned about canonical's bandwidth bill? | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: no, mine :P | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | or rather the $vistors | 15:54 |
| Riddell | I don't follow | 15:54 |
| Riddell | oh, as viewer of site you want to save 10KB | 15:55 |
| Riddell | fair enough, done | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | aye, thx | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: actually, I also compressed other images too (some in the theme, so once ryanakca gets that on the servers..) the viewer will be saved about 200 all in all | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | which is a lot for 56k, and for rme it means snappier interwebs :) | 15:56 |
| rgreening | plus speedier | 15:57 |
| * ScottK hands rgreening a thesaurus. | 15:57 | |
| apachelogger | lol | 15:57 |
| rgreening | everyone nose I kant spel :) | 16:04 |
| rgreening | btw, I typed my comment (and due to interweb lag) it landed after apachelogger's comment, but we in fact in response to the before comment. I already have a thesaurus :0 | 16:06 |
| rgreening | hehe | 16:06 |
| JontheEchidna | the interwebs are not like a truck. | 16:06 |
| JontheEchidna | they are like a series of tubes... | 16:06 |
| rgreening | innertubes | 16:24 |
| * txwikinger is testing chromw | 16:27 | |
| * txwikinger is testing chrome | 16:27 | |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: I'm building kdebindings via pbuilder, restarted cmake CMakeLists.txt && make manually and that seems to be building. Seems the debian/ubuntu build env has some issue... | 16:30 |
| rgreening | any ideas on how to troubleshoot that? | 16:30 |
| rgreening | ScottK, Riddell ^ | 16:31 |
| davmor2 | txwikinger: I'd say it failed if it didn't notice a misspelling of it's own name ;) | 16:31 |
| ScottK | rgreening: I wouldn't worry about bindings now, that's still my suggestion. | 16:31 |
| txwikinger | davmor2: Well.. quassel != chrome | 16:31 |
| davmor2 | txwikinger: :D | 16:31 |
| rgreening | ScottK: well, if its a build issue, then I'd like to resolve... as it seems it may not be a bindings issue. | 16:32 |
| nixternal | Lure: doh, I can't believe I didn't catch that | 16:43 |
| ScottK | digikam is transitioned | 16:43 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: I've ktorrent ready | 16:44 |
| ScottK | Lex79: Not until after Alpha 1 | 16:45 |
| Lex79 | ok | 16:45 |
| ScottK | Riddell: kipi-plugins is done on i386, so I think an hour from now we're ready for that build. | 16:45 |
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| nixternal | haha, screensaver trojans!!! ftw...this totally validates the "forget the single click install/apt-url crap" | 17:03 |
| nixternal | ScottK: anything need to get uploaded or packaged? | 17:04 |
| ScottK | Uploads we're good on. | 17:04 |
| ScottK | There was something we needed packaged .... | 17:05 |
| ScottK | And Jon the Taco is not here. | 17:05 |
| rgreening | gluon | 17:07 |
| rgreening | :) | 17:07 |
| ScottK | I think someone did that already | 17:10 |
| rgreening | oh, cool | 17:11 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I'd rather use the todo page for our work items than blueprint whiteboards, just for consistency | 17:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Oh. Right. | 17:12 |
| ScottK | Clearly your claims to being behind on LP mail are exaggerated .... | 17:13 |
| * txwikinger wonders how difficult it would be to create a qt/kde theme for chrome | 17:38 | |
| * ScottK imagines shtylman has already done it. | 17:40 | |
| markey | re | 17:54 |
| markey | hm, did I leave the channel? | 17:54 |
| markey | must have clicked some wrong button | 17:54 |
| markey | hm | 17:55 |
| markey | ah | 17:55 |
| markey | BNC got confused | 17:55 |
| markey | that's why | 17:55 |
| markey | got a question: | 17:58 |
| markey | anyone here using Chromium? | 17:58 |
| ScottK | markey: Yes. | 17:58 |
| markey | ScottK: with the latest daily build, Gmail doesn't load here | 17:59 |
| ScottK | (sorry, but today you got the sarcastic, answer the question asked ScottK) | 17:59 |
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| markey | only "Basic HTML Mode" works | 17:59 |
| ScottK | markey: OK, but it's not me that runs it. You'll want shtylman. | 17:59 |
| markey | ? | 17:59 |
| * Daskreech yawns | 17:59 | |
| Daskreech | Morning | 17:59 |
| * ScottK doesnt' use chromium, but shtylman does. | 17:59 | |
| markey | that was a bit confusing :) | 17:59 |
| jjesse | afternoon :) | 17:59 |
| ScottK | Sorry | 18:00 |
| Daskreech | How is Lynx? is it in a SC mood ? | 18:00 |
| ScottK | Yep. It's all built now. | 18:01 |
| Daskreech | Hooray :) does it work? | 18:01 |
| JontheEchidna | it's definitely a beta | 18:02 |
| ScottK | lol | 18:02 |
| * ScottK is happy it built. | 18:02 | |
| JontheEchidna | but it's fairly stable | 18:02 |
| ScottK | \o/ dpkg-deb: building package `libqt4-dbg' in `../libqt4-dbg_4.6.0-1ubuntu2_armel.deb'. | 18:07 |
| ScottK | Now if it doesn't timeout ... | 18:07 |
| Lex79 | oh :) | 18:08 |
| highvoltage | Riddell: I wanted to comment on your blog entry, but kdedevelopers.org doesn't accept my openID login (my LP OID login) | 18:09 |
| Lex79 | ScottK: what about this my fix? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/145 | 18:10 |
| Lex79 | after alpha1 ? | 18:10 |
| ScottK | Lex79: Nothing on CD now until after Alpha 1. | 18:10 |
| highvoltage | Riddell: nm, I see I have to link it first before it will work | 18:10 |
| Lex79 | ok | 18:10 |
| tsimpson | someone should change "the K Desktop Environment" on kubuntu.org to fit the new branding | 18:11 |
| ScottK | Lex79: Both those binaries got dropped entirely so there's no need to version the conflicts/replaces. | 18:11 |
| ScottK | tsimpson: You should chat with ryanakca about that. I think it's a good point. | 18:11 |
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| tsimpson | ryanakca: from what I can see, the main page and the FAQ are the places that need changing | 18:14 |
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| tsimpson | maybe changing "KDE" to "KDE Software Compilation" or "KDE community" where appropriate | 18:16 |
| binarylooks | currently the kubuntu daily ubiquity crashes when trying to install kubuntu lucid. is it a known bug? | 18:17 |
| Lex79 | ScottK: are you sure? if you have those binaries installed in your system and you want upgrade from 4.3.3 there is a conflict since those binaries was moved to kdelibs from -workspace | 18:17 |
| ScottK | Lex79: Agreed. You need the conflicts/replaces. You just don't need to specify a version because it's any version. | 18:18 |
| Lex79 | ok now sounds good :) | 18:18 |
| Daskreech | So beta 1 being built for Koala now? | 18:23 |
| ScottK | Some people are working on it. | 18:27 |
| Daskreech | Go ninja Go ninja Go! | 18:28 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Except for koffice, the uploads for the libkipi7-dev, libkexiv2-8-dev, libkdcraw8-dev transitions are done. I saved koffice for you. | 18:33 |
| bmunger | looks like 10.04 is really broken.. some error with kdelibs5 | 18:34 |
| ScottK | bmunger: Some error is not particularly useful feedback. | 18:35 |
| bmunger | hmm thought this was a known thing | 18:39 |
| Daskreech | bmunger: Nope but never hurts to be more specific | 18:42 |
| bmunger | had to run the command again to get the eror.. | 18:43 |
| bmunger | says dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs5_4%3a4.3.80-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libnepomukquery.so.4', which is also in package libnepomukquery4 4:4.3.3-0ubuntu3 | 18:44 |
| bmunger | failing there it cant update further | 18:45 |
| ScottK | bmunger: That is a known issue | 18:45 |
| bmunger | which i thought was a known issue | 18:45 |
| ScottK | We have an update prepared for right after Alpha 1 is released. | 18:45 |
| ScottK | It is safe to --force-overwrite it. | 18:45 |
| bmunger | can i pass it through aptitude? | 18:45 |
| * ScottK doesn't recall the precise incantation. | 18:46 | |
| firephoto | bmunger: i had to remove the libnepomuk stuff... now it seems to be going. didn't try the --force-overwrite | 18:46 |
| bmunger | ok forced install from cache seems to be working in dist-upgrade now | 18:48 |
| bmunger | thanks guys | 18:48 |
| Quintasan|Szel | jus git | 18:57 |
| * ryanakca wonders why wireless connections configured in /etc/network/interfaces are more stable than ones setup in knetworkmanager | 19:07 | |
| ryanakca | tsimpson: I'm taking care of it | 19:07 |
| ryanakca | Who's currently editing the website? | 19:16 |
| ScottK | Not /me and I know Riddell's out for a bit. | 19:17 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: Strange, I got a "Unable to save page because it was modified by another user" type error... *shrug* | 19:18 |
| ScottK | Dunno who? | 19:18 |
| ryanakca | tsimpson: done | 19:23 |
| markey | fwiw, fixed my Chromium/Gmail issues | 19:27 |
| markey | trick was: disabling the Labs extensions | 19:28 |
| markey | one them appears to break Chromium atm | 19:28 |
| markey | one of* | 19:28 |
| tsimpson | ryanakca: lovely, thanks | 19:39 |
| nixternal | alrighty, trying out kontact again...finally downloaded all of my email and didn't crash :) | 19:45 |
| nixternal | setting up shortcuts to match mutt :) | 19:45 |
| * ulysses__ finished the upgrade test i386 karmic -> lucid | 19:52 | |
| ScottK | ISOs to test: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | 19:53 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Archive: Main frozen for Alpha 1 | Plz test: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | ||
| ScottK | ulysses__: You can mark that down in the tracker. | 19:53 |
| ulysses__ | I can't decide that the upgrade passed or failed. I should fix the broken packages from recovery console, because after login I got a blank screen with error messages | 19:54 |
| ScottK | File bugs and as long as you get there eventually, I'd call it a pass for Alpha 1. | 19:55 |
| ulysses__ | In #ubuntu-testing somebody said me that error messages was bug 491775 | 19:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 491775 in brltty "udevd warnings in /lib/udev/rules.d/85-brltty.rules" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491775 | 19:56 |
| ulysses__ | aham, same error, I don't need to report it | 19:59 |
| binarylooks | don't throw stones at me for looking please, but is it normal that the plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook debs in the staging ppa are basically empty? | 19:59 |
| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| ScottK | binarylooks: Look at the ones in the archive for Lucid and if the contents are different, that's a problem. | 20:06 |
| binarylooks | i'll check... | 20:06 |
| ScottK | binarylooks: I assume you're looking at Karmic. You can ignore staging for Lucid | 20:06 |
| binarylooks | ScottK: yes I am | 20:07 |
| ulysses__ | Okay, I am ready with a test case: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3441/84 | 20:07 |
| ScottK | OK. | 20:07 |
| ScottK | ulysses__: Looks good. Could you attempt an ISO install in your VM? | 20:08 |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| ulysses__ | Yes, I will try the i386 (I don't have HW virtualization, so I can't run x64 guests:( | 20:09 |
| ScottK | That'd be great. | 20:11 |
| ulysses__ | I need to download the CD image | 20:11 |
| * ulysses__ going to make tea | 20:11 | |
| nixternal | ScottK: fyi, I don't get a desktop with any ISOs | 20:16 |
| nixternal | I get the black screen of death | 20:16 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Did you see the bug that ulysses__ report linked to? | 20:16 |
| nixternal | the brltty one? | 20:17 |
| nixternal | nm | 20:17 |
| nixternal | I can't say the upgrade passed either | 20:17 |
| nixternal | just attempted it on my desktop, and the desktop is useless, even rm -rf ~/.kde | 20:18 |
| === BiosElement__ is now known as BiosElement | ||
| nixternal | imho kubuntu isn't ready for alpha 1 testing...there are still some borked packages | 20:19 |
| nixternal | something about *-strigi-plugins, kipi-plugins, kdebase-* something can't overwrite files | 20:19 |
| binarylooks | ScottK: probably not the best time with all the iso testing. I compared the plasma-desktop.deb from lucid and from the staging ppa lucid ~200 kb with a /usr/bin, karmic ~40kb with only a /usr/share and no plasma-desktop binary | 20:22 |
| binarylooks | ScottK: maybe I'm looking at the wrong places, i'm not really an expert | 20:22 |
| ScottK | binarylooks: OK. I don't recall who was doing those, but that's definitely a problem. | 20:22 |
| ScottK | Lex79: Were you working on Karmic? ^^^ | 20:23 |
| Daskreech | markey: Which lab? | 20:23 |
| markey | Daskreech: not sure which of these lab features caused it | 20:24 |
| markey | I had enabled several ones | 20:25 |
| markey | (3 or 4 or so) | 20:25 |
| fale | hi | 20:29 |
| fale | any news on 4.4b1, guys? | 20:29 |
| ulysses__ | argh, this cdimage server so slow, 18 minutes downloading left | 20:31 |
| ScottK | fale: Packaged for Lucid. We are testing ISO images now. See /topic. | 20:31 |
| fale | ScottK: mmm that's fun... I'm going to download it | 20:33 |
| ScottK | Phone call just now from middle daughter: "Dad, what time did we say you were going to pick me up from school?" me: "We didn't say a time. I'll pick you up some time before your bedtime." daughter: "Uhhh ..." | 20:34 |
| fale | ulysses__: I agree.. to me it goes at 300kb/s as avarage | 20:35 |
| Sput | ScottK: you got schools where your kids can hang out after classes? | 20:35 |
| fale | ScottK: haha that's is hilarious.... who old is she? | 20:35 |
| ScottK | fale: 15. | 20:35 |
| Sput | whoa, 15 and she still has a bedtime? :D | 20:36 |
| ScottK | Sput: Yes. There are generally after school activities. She didn't ride the bus home because she wanted to go to one. | 20:36 |
| Sput | ah I see | 20:36 |
| Sput | yeah, not so common here | 20:36 |
| ScottK | Sput: You have to provide motivation for them to move out and become economically self sufficient. | 20:36 |
| fale | here neither, but 2years ago I was in California and there it was normal | 20:36 |
| Sput | ScottK: that's about the best reason I've gotten for a bedtime.. ever :) | 20:36 |
| * fale still 40 minutes :( | 20:37 | |
| ulysses__ | me only 8 minutes | 20:37 |
| ulysses__ | fale: which test case will you do? | 20:38 |
| fale | ulysses__: rsync or http? | 20:38 |
| ulysses__ | http | 20:38 |
| fale | ulysses__: you mean which distro I downloaded? | 20:38 |
| Daskreech | markey: Ah ok I have like 11 turned on so here goes trial and error. Well I mean if I cared about Chromium at all | 20:38 |
| binarylooks | download finished and booting on my laptop from usb stick | 20:38 |
| ulysses__ | fale: no, do you test the alpha ISOs? | 20:38 |
| fale | ulysses__: yep | 20:39 |
| ulysses__ | and which? desktop install/live, ..? | 20:39 |
| binarylooks | got a login screen (tried ubuntu and worked)) | 20:39 |
| binarylooks | ulysses__: live session | 20:39 |
| fale | I downloaded desktop/i386 | 20:39 |
| binarylooks | plasma crashed, black screen :-( | 20:39 |
| davmor2 | ulysses__: use the dl-ubuntu-test-iso.py tool from the qa ppa | 20:39 |
| fale | :( | 20:39 |
| binarylooks | alt+f2 plasma-desktop...crashes again | 20:40 |
| fale | binarylooks: maybe some problems with qt? | 20:40 |
| davmor2 | ulysses__: then set it for dl-ubuntu-test-iso.py --release=lucid --only=kubuntu | 20:41 |
| fale | or with X at some level (like driver) | 20:41 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Since you got KDE running on Lucid, any advice for ISO testers? | 20:41 |
| binarylooks | fale: this is definetaly a plasma thin, I think it's known to the kubuntu-devs | 20:41 |
| ulysses__ | davmor2: what's the repository of QA? | 20:42 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: it should just work (tm), now that the locale infinite loop bug is fixed | 20:42 |
| ScottK | ulysses__: What was your upgrade bug again? | 20:43 |
| JontheEchidna | oh... plasma crash? yeah, the default config does cause a crash | 20:43 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: nixternal claims a black screen of death. He may have mistakenly booted Windows 7 though. | 20:43 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Is there a bug, and what's the workaround? | 20:44 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah, the default config makes plasma-desktop crash | 20:44 |
| fale | ScottK: the win7 screen of death is not blue? | 20:44 |
| ulysses__ | ScottK: the upgrade process completed, then asked me for reboot the computer. after that, I tried to login, but I got those error | 20:44 |
| JontheEchidna | the workaround is to use a different plasma-desktop-appletsrc | 20:44 |
| * ScottK heard it was black, but isn't sure. | 20:44 | |
| ulysses__ | bug 491775 | 20:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 491775 in brltty "udevd warnings in /lib/udev/rules.d/85-brltty.rules" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491775 | 20:44 |
| binarylooks | JontheEchidna: can u explain a little bit more? | 20:44 |
| ulysses__ | this was ^ | 20:44 |
| binarylooks | will check the bug report | 20:44 |
| JontheEchidna | binarylooks: not really... the default config causes plasma to crash. there's nothing you can do except use a plasma-desktop-appletsrc that doesn't cause it to crash such as this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/338274/ | 20:45 |
| binarylooks | JontheEchidna: i'll try, or maybe i take the one from my karmic install | 20:46 |
| ScottK | Kubuntu Netbook images up now too. | 20:49 |
| amichair | fale, ScottK: There was a recent issues in windows xp/vista/7 which caused a black unresponsive screen after login, and it was termed 'black screen of death'. it's unrelated to the regular bsod (dunno what color that is in 7). | 20:51 |
| ScottK | OK. | 20:51 |
| fale | thank you :) | 20:51 |
| binarylooks | ScottK: This build wasn't found on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/20091209/lucid-netbook-remix-i386.iso (may no longer exists) | 20:52 |
| jjesse | there was the rumor of a black screen of death in windows 7 that was reported in the press/media the problem was the security company screwed up | 20:52 |
| ScottK | Hmmm. | 20:52 |
| ScottK | binarylooks: Thanks. | 20:52 |
| binarylooks | what did I do ? :-) | 20:52 |
| binarylooks | ubuntu-netbook-remix? | 20:53 |
| ScottK | binarylooks: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/ | 20:53 |
| ScottK | No, the link is bad on the page. | 20:53 |
| binarylooks | ok, 23 min left. i'll fight a bit with the appletsrc | 20:54 |
| JontheEchidna | I believe the systemtray applet is causing the crash, judging by the backtrace | 20:54 |
| amichair | jjesse: true. some security company blamed ms update. ms blamed malware. company apologized. no one fixed the issue. | 20:54 |
| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| binarylooks | I'll have to test the netbook iso tomorrow, I have to run now. good luck with lucid and the karmic 4.4 debs | 20:59 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Is there a bug on the plasma crash? | 21:00 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: need help? what app is crashing? | 21:01 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: not yet, I've not downloaded all the -dbg packages yet | 21:02 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: OK. | 21:02 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: It'd nice to get a placeholder to put on the ISO tracker. | 21:02 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: with KDE 4.3.80 in lucid, the default plasma setup causes plasma-desktop to crash | 21:03 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Ok, I'll file a bug for the placeholder | 21:04 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 21:04 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 494731 | 21:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 494731 in kdebase-workspace "The default plasma-desktop configuration causes plasma-desktop to crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494731 | 21:07 |
| binarylooks | JontheEchidna: I tried your appletsrc and the desktop is up now | 21:15 |
| JontheEchidna | \o/ | 21:15 |
| binarylooks | :-) | 21:15 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm glad I had that lying around. It was an attempt to show how easy it is to duplicate gnome. | 21:16 |
| binarylooks | can I help troubleshooting or is everything under control ATM | 21:16 |
| JontheEchidna | I would say that there's not much to troubleshoot at the moment | 21:17 |
| binarylooks | ok, i'll add a comment to the bug report then | 21:17 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks | 21:17 |
| binarylooks | JontheEchidna: looks very gnomish. sme would say there is no toolbox in gnome :-) | 21:23 |
| JontheEchidna | I suppose one could always throw the toolbox icon behind a panel or smth | 21:23 |
| binarylooks | JontheEchidna: I actually like the toolbox. it somehow feels right were it is. | 21:24 |
| JontheEchidna | I totally don't understand the toolbox hate either | 21:24 |
| binarylooks | :-) Well we are visionaries then. Just like Aaron and the crew. | 21:25 |
| binarylooks | I really have to get going now. See you around | 21:25 |
| nixternal | ScottK: damn, it was windows 7 :D | 21:31 |
| nixternal | speaking of windows 7, and I don't understand what I am doing wrong...but it comes with this security suite right, a top dog at that...I browsed to a MSDN link, and all of a sudden I have this stupid pop-up that does not go away telling me I need anti-virus...I don't get it | 21:32 |
| * nixternal kicks jjesse in the shines for liking Windows | 21:32 | |
| nixternal | s/shines/shins | 21:33 |
| nixternal | kicking you in the shine would require research, as I have no idea where the shine is..unless of course you are bald | 21:33 |
| Riddell | evening | 21:33 |
| nixternal | howdy Riddell | 21:35 |
| ulysses__ | hello Riddell | 21:36 |
| * ulysses__ testing Lucid i386 alternate OEM install | 21:49 | |
| Riddell | ooh, testers :) | 21:50 |
| Riddell | I was going to start with amd64 desktop | 21:50 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 494731 updated with backtrace | 21:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 494731 in kdebase-workspace "The default plasma-desktop configuration causes plasma-desktop to crash" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494731 | 21:51 |
| Riddell | ulysses__: OEM mode rarely works in the early alphas so don't worry too much if that's broken so long as the desktop and install works | 21:51 |
| ulysses__ | We are testers, we must find bugs:) | 21:51 |
| ulysses__ | first one, after installing the base system, it asked me for the new user's password | 21:55 |
| Riddell | that's a good sign | 21:59 |
| maco | thats how OEM mode works | 22:00 |
| ulysses__ | okay, but the user don't need a name? | 22:00 |
| Riddell | it's just set to "oem" for the first login | 22:00 |
| amichair | should I be testing from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/3466 ? | 22:01 |
| Riddell | amichair: ys | 22:03 |
| Riddell | yse | 22:03 |
| Riddell | it's oversized so you'll need a DVD not a CD | 22:04 |
| Riddell | (or USB disk or virtual machine) | 22:04 |
| amichair | I'm gonna virtualbox. it gets trimmed down later? | 22:05 |
| Riddell | yes, somehow | 22:05 |
| ulysses__ | so one more times: the default user is set to "oem", and I should choose its password? | 22:08 |
| ulysses__ | (after instaling base system) | 22:08 |
| Riddell | yes, then it'll install, first boot it should auto login and you [set it up as you wish then clone to 1000 machines to sell to customers] click the icon on the desktop, next login it'll run the OEM config tool to create the normal user | 22:10 |
| nixternal | yikes, don't watch a flash video and build stuff at the same time | 22:10 |
| ulysses__ | thanks, I used only once OEM, when I bought my laptop with Vista (lived 2 days) | 22:11 |
| amichair | hmmm. I don't see the kubuntu splash/progress screen on startup. is it supposed to be there in a live session? | 22:19 |
| Riddell | which one? | 22:22 |
| amichair | which what? | 22:23 |
| ulysses__ | I got splash screen:P http://noob.hu/2009/12/09/upgarde1.png | 22:23 |
| amichair | good catch! :-P | 22:24 |
| ulysses__ | I did my best :-P | 22:26 |
| Riddell | well amd64 desktop CD didn't work, KDE starts according to the startup sound but I can't see anything | 22:38 |
| Riddell | I blame X | 22:38 |
| ulysses__ | i386 alternate install completed, but won't boot | 22:38 |
| Riddell | ulysses__: what stage does it get to? | 22:39 |
| ulysses__ | bug 491775 again, and it hangs up on "Starting init crypto disks = to match a parent device in" | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 491775 in brltty "udevd warnings in /lib/udev/rules.d/85-brltty.rules" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491775 | 22:39 |
| amichair | Riddell: I'm trying amd64 desktop too. no kubuntu splash, but then the kde splash is ok. then the infamous plasma crash. plasma-desktop-appletsrc is almost empty. adding a basic containement to it seems to work. | 22:44 |
| ulysses__ | eh, nothing, it hangs up http://noob.hu/2009/12/09/lucidalter.png | 22:47 |
| ulysses__ | I think this test case failed:( | 22:48 |
| Riddell | amichair: so you get a drkonqi window? | 22:48 |
| amichair | sometimes. not sure what's the difference between drkonqi and the other... but it's the gui crash handler, yes. | 22:49 |
| Riddell | does that crash affect everyone? didn't ScottK say he had it booted? | 22:49 |
| amichair | I can also alt-f2, konsole, and start plasma-desktop again to recreate... it prints out lots of stuff saying everything looks empty, which it is. | 22:50 |
| Riddell | does it crash again? | 22:51 |
| amichair | yep. every time. | 22:52 |
| Riddell | and if you remove /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc ? | 22:52 |
| maco | amichair: drkonqi asks questions and tells you how good your stack trace is. apport does not | 22:52 |
| amichair | I just caught a glimpse of the darkened splash looking like ulysses__ got it (http://noob.hu/2009/12/09/upgarde1.png). wierd. | 22:53 |
| amichair | maco: thanks. I didn't see any questions. it looked pretty much like the old one, with the little bug icon thing and two tabs. | 22:53 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: are you thinking of this? [15:41:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Since you got KDE running on Lucid, any advice for ISO testers? | 22:53 |
| Riddell | dunno, maybe | 22:54 |
| maco | amichair: does it tell you about your stack trace and give a few stars on how good it is and ask for your bugs.kde.org login? | 22:54 |
| Riddell | if it's happening for everyone, sounds like we should do a kubuntu-default-settings upload without plasma-desktop-appletsrc and rebuild | 22:54 |
| ulysses__ | Okay, I closed the test report, if somebody interested in, link here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3465/68 | 22:54 |
| JontheEchidna | I'll see if removing /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc fixes the crash | 22:55 |
| Riddell | thanks ulysses__ | 22:55 |
| JontheEchidna | Crashes even with the plasma-desktop-appletsrc from k-d-s gone | 22:56 |
| JontheEchidna | I think that our default desktop patch in kdebase-workspace is a more likely candidate for blame | 22:56 |
| JontheEchidna | from kubuntu_71_default_plasma_layout.diff: | 22:58 |
| amichair | maco: http://imagebin.ca/view/ZYPZbEHk.html | 22:58 |
| JontheEchidna | + loadDefaultApplet("systemtray", panel); | 22:58 |
| JontheEchidna | but then three lines down: | 22:58 |
| ulysses__ | no more time to another test, it's too late:( I should sleep, but tomorrow I keep up working. Good night! | 22:58 |
| JontheEchidna | Plasma::Applet *sysTray = loadDefaultApplet("systemtray", panel); | 22:58 |
| maco | amichair: yeah thats drkonqi | 22:58 |
| amichair | maco: ok :-) | 22:58 |
| maco | amichair: good to see it is indeed taking over instead of apport :) | 22:59 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe Plasma::Applet *sysTray = loadDefaultApplet("systemtray", panel); fails because we loaded it 3 lines earlier? | 23:01 |
| JontheEchidna | because then it does some stuff conditional on sysTray being true | 23:01 |
| amichair | Riddell: I can confirm JontheEchidna's result - after deleting the defaults it still crashes. | 23:02 |
| amichair | fwiw, it does first show a messed-up desktop for a couple of seconds before it crashes and they disappear | 23:03 |
| amichair | (it does so regardless of deleting defaults) | 23:03 |
| JontheEchidna | ah, it loads the plasmoids that are in the systemtray by default conditional on sysTray being true | 23:03 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: I think removing loadDefaultApplet("systemtray", panel); from kubuntu_71_default_plasma_layout.diff may fix this crash. Unfortunately my computer can't build kdebase-workspace in a sane amount of time | 23:05 |
| amichair | and the last output line before the crash is: "Plasma::AppletPrivate::mainConfigGroup: requesting config for "Device Notifier" without a containment!" | 23:05 |
| JontheEchidna | oh! that makes perfect sense | 23:05 |
| JontheEchidna | it tries to load the device notifier plasmoid inside the systray applet, but only the systray applet pointed to by sysTray was told to load it's default applets | 23:06 |
| JontheEchidna | or something :P | 23:07 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe not, now I'm just confusing myself as usual | 23:07 |
| JontheEchidna | but I still think that removing that line from the patch will fix things | 23:08 |
| amichair | I have no idea where the code is or what it does, but if u run plasma-desktop in konsole the debug messages seem to be helpful | 23:08 |
| JontheEchidna | it lives inside the huge kdebase-workspace source package | 23:08 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: where is the relevant branch? | 23:10 |
| JontheEchidna | only the packaging is kept in a bzr, branch. you can just apt-get source kdebase-workspace | 23:11 |
| * JontheEchidna goes off for dinner | 23:14 | |
| amichair | I'm on karmic | 23:14 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, right | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kdebase-workspace_4.3.80.orig.tar.gz | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | actually | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | dget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kdebase-workspace_4.3.80-0ubuntu1.dsc | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | then once that's done dpkg-source -x *dsc | 23:16 |
| amichair | thanks. bon appetit. | 23:16 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I didn't say I had it booted. I've been stuck doing $WORK, so I haven't tested. | 23:16 |
| Daskreech | fale: They changed it since Vista | 23:46 |
| Daskreech | fale: Blue was choosen early on since it was pyschologically associated with being clam and restful | 23:47 |
| Daskreech | Windows has long since turned that in to being assocaited with Rage and fail | 23:47 |
| fale | Daskreech: I see | 23:47 |
| Daskreech | So We have a <newcolour> screen of death | 23:47 |
| fale | wow | 23:48 |
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