[00:08] <JontheEchidna> there's no polkit-1-qt yet, is the problem
[00:11] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: why doesn't it fall back to regular polkit-qt then?
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> it does. if you didn't have polkit-qt it'd complain about that too ;-)
[00:12] <nixternal> I built polkit-qt though from kdesupport
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> that's still regular polkit-qt
[00:13] <nixternal> kauth can't use regular polkit-qt?
[00:15] <Riddell> I'd have expected it still to have polkit 0.9 in there but maybe not
[00:16] <nixternal> cmakelists has both polkit and polkit-1
[00:18] <nixternal> if (NOT POLKITQT_MIN_VERSION) set(POLKITQT_MIN_VERSION "0.9.0")
[00:18] <nixternal> endif (NOT POLKITQT_MIN_VERSION)
[00:18] <nixternal> that is the FindPolkitQt module
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> kde4libs-4.3.80/kdecore/CMakeLists.txt suggests the existence of two backends for KAuth
[00:19] <nixternal> ahhhh!!!
[00:19] <nixternal> polkit and polkit-qt-1 are in kdereview
[00:20] <nixternal> sneaky lil bastards :)
[00:20]  * JontheEchidna was wondering where the work/ branch for polkit-qt-1 went
[00:21] <nixternal> polkit-kde and polkit-qt-1 that is
[00:21] <nixternal> find * | grep polkit-qt-1 FTW
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> hmm... the webkit kpart is pretty good
[00:30] <Sput> fwiw, on my box 4.3.81 builds fine with the older version
[00:30] <Sput> 0.9.2 or whatever it was
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> I do find that the KAuth stuff mostly doesn't work, though. Throughs a really helpful "error 4"
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> s/throughs/throws
[00:40] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks for the patch update.  I'll take care of uploading it after the Alpha 1 freeze is over.
[00:41] <ScottK> Did kde4libs get fixed?
[00:44] <nixternal> Sput: yeah, it builds fine but kauth isn't working as it should
[00:45] <Sput> nixternal: might be :) just saying it doesn't build the fake backend for me, but the real one
[00:45] <nixternal> really...damn thing tells me just the fake one
[00:45] <nixternal> I am building on debian unstable
[00:46] <Sput> lemme doublecheck
[00:46] <nixternal> shit, it is building it now
[00:47] <Sput> --   found polkit-qt, version 0.9.2
[00:47] <Sput> -- Found PolkitQt: /usr/include/PolicyKit
[00:47] <Sput> -- Building PolkitQt KAuth backend
[00:47] <Sput> yeah :)
[00:47] <nixternal> hrmm, ldconfig might not have updated or something...who knows, but it is working today
[01:13] <Riddell> Mamarok: if you ever think kubuntu-users is bad, I just had the misfortune to read the "car news" thread on ubuntu-users which is much worse
[01:20] <nhandler> Riddell: Put me in line for a Kubuntu sweater like that ;)
[01:22] <Riddell> talk nicely to davmor2
[01:25] <dtchen> yet another reason to love Konsole: it notifies me when I press C-s
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> nothing else compares
[01:32] <jjesse> i wonder if my wife would like a kubuntu sweater for christmas :)
[01:35] <dtchen> I think we all need Tardis usb hubs
[01:40] <jjesse> i want one :)
[02:48] <claydoh>  Riddell actually kubuntu-users is pretty calm and quiet these days, tho we could use more techically-minded subscribers in there
[03:14] <dtchen> http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/08/uk-man-builds-life-sized-dalek-furthers-intergalactic-evil/
[03:31] <nixternal> Riddell: that is a spiffy sweather you got on there :)
[03:31] <nixternal> dtchen: if only yakuake would follow suit on C-s
[03:33] <dtchen> haven't used it before. Does it pop up notifications, too?
[03:33] <nixternal> nah...but I am guessing it will with the next release that contains a lot of the fixes for konsole though
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Internet submenus are back :s
[04:24] <JontheEchidna> never was reverted in trunk, nor anything done further it seems
[04:26] <freeflying> kmail re-get all my mails from pop server again, no idea what happens
[04:27] <freeflying> and unfortunately, I'm using a limited 3G subscription
[04:27] <freeflying> wired
[04:28] <freeflying> guys, is there any backend changed i last couple of days?
[04:28] <ScottK> freeflying: Karmic or Lucid?
[04:28] <freeflying> ScottK: lucid
[04:29] <ScottK> freeflying: Yes. Just uploaded an entire new KDE.
[04:30] <freeflying> ScottK: so its a bug of kmail?
[04:30] <ScottK> I'm not sure.
[04:30] <ScottK> It may be akonadi.
[04:31] <ScottK> Anyone know if kmail for 4.4 ended up using akonadi for mail?
[04:31] <freeflying> ScottK: at least it should tag all exist mail as feteched, right?
[04:31] <ScottK> freeflying: Normally, but if something happens that it forgets it's download history.
[04:31] <ScottK> ...
[04:32] <freeflying> ScottK: luckly, I'm just using kmail for working mail, so onle 1.5G data there :)
[04:32] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: It's not set to use akonadi for mail until 4.5
[04:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  Thanks.
[04:32] <JontheEchidna> KAddressBook should use akonadi now, though
[04:54] <ScottK> kdeadmin FTBFS should be fixed.
[04:55] <JontheEchidna> should just need a rebuild
[04:55] <ScottK> Too late.
[04:56] <JontheEchidna> though for all my kubuntu-dev powars I don't see a rebuild button
[04:56] <ScottK> Even if there is normally an indirect depends on  libx11-dev, it's still a bug to not have it as a package depends
[04:56]  * ScottK already uploaded ubuntu2
[05:05] <nixternal> of course, I can never build kdebindings in trunk
[05:07] <nixternal> aye, google chrome beta == shit
[05:07] <nixternal> no user scripts, no bookmark syncing
[05:09] <nixternal> err, wrong channel
[05:22] <ScottK> Looks like kdepim on amd64 just needed a retry.
[05:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna or nixternal: Any ideas on http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36603315/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kdeplasma-addons_4%3A4.3.80-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:24] <ScottK> I assume a missing include, but what?  Google didn't help me on that one.
[05:26] <JontheEchidna> nope, though I do see that the libkexiv2-7 build-dep needs to be bumped to libkexiv2-8-dev
[05:30] <ScottK> So what's the replacement for kivio?
[05:30]  * ScottK is so screwed without that.
[06:17] <ScottK> Lure: Help.  Rebuilding kdeplasma-addons with the libkexiv2-8-dev causes http://paste.ubuntu.com/337793/
[06:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like we are still without a building kdeplasma-addons.  I need to sleep, so good luck.
[07:21] <markey> Riddell: that knitted thing is freaking amazing :)
[07:21] <markey> looks really neat
[07:21] <nixternal> ooh, kubuntu lucid looks pretty dressed in all black
[07:22]  * nixternal kicks the desktop
[07:22]  * markey remembers some kind of garb that akalabeth once made, let's say it looked more like a trash bag
[07:22] <nixternal> haha
[07:28] <Tm_T> I'm puzzled with what those are doing in #k
[07:44] <nixternal> heh, you and I both
[07:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: didnt we revert them upstream or something?
[07:59] <apachelogger> anyhow, now is the time to revert it upstream I suppose
[07:59] <apachelogger> revert0r!
[08:00] <apachelogger> nixternal: ping
[08:03] <Darkwing-Netbook> is the Lucid upgrade to 4.4 workable yet?
[08:04] <Darkwing-Netbook> and by workable I mean a very very fuzzy workable
[08:04] <nixternal> apachelogger: pong
[08:05] <apachelogger> nixternal: is there some sensible way to launch kdesu in kde4 you know if?
[08:05] <apachelogger> sensible being not manually pathing to libexec/kdesu
[08:06] <nixternal> if there is, I haven't come across it yet, and neither has any other distro that I know of
[08:08] <apachelogger> *nod*
[08:09] <apachelogger> nixternal: one could obtain the libexec path via kde4-config though
[08:09] <apachelogger> seems a bit too cpu heavy considering the use though ;)
[08:09] <Darkwing-Netbook> yofel: you know if the newest update for lucid still freezes the system?
[08:13] <apachelogger> `kde4-config --path libexec`/kdesu
[08:13] <apachelogger> oh my
[08:13] <apachelogger> looks fancy after all :D
[08:13] <nixternal> lol
[08:14] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/z8-2iLi.html :(
[08:17] <Lure> ScottK, Riddell: re kdeplasma-addons failure: it looks like kdegraphics package is wrong and not including all include files
[08:18] <Lure> I see in build log that kexiv2data.h is installed by build: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36539779/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kdegraphics_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[08:18] <Lure> so I suspect somebody forgot to update .install files
[08:18] <nixternal> Lure: yeah, I was just looking at the package.... kdegraphics seems hosed right now
[08:18] <Lure> And it seems many files are missing: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/i386/libkexiv2-8-dev/filelist
[08:19] <nixternal> actually, kdepim is hosed, kdegraphics is hosed, kdebase-runtime had issues with a shitload of file overwrites
[08:19] <apachelogger> oh my
[08:19] <Lure> not a great start of -1 day for alpha :-(
[08:21] <nixternal> Lure: I thought the same
[08:21] <nixternal> I got to the point I just shut off my build box
[08:21] <nixternal> kde-trunk and kubuntu lucid both pissed me off
[08:25] <apachelogger> uh uh uh
[08:25] <apachelogger> nixternal: most perfect option is PATH=`kde4-config --path exe` kdesu -- "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade -d -m desktop -f kde -p"
[08:25] <Lure> ScottK, Riddell: I think we should not include individual include files as in .install file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdegraphics/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/libkexiv2-8-dev.install
[08:25] <nixternal> jesus, seriously?
[08:25]  * apachelogger migt be going crazy here :S
[08:25] <Lure> I think inclduign whole dir, i.e. "usr/include/libkexiv2" is more correct (future proof)
[08:26] <apachelogger> Lure: I think debian likes it file-by-file
[08:26] <Lure> apachelogger: do you know the reason?
[08:26] <nixternal> Lure: I typically always do 'usr/include/foo/*' or 'usr/include/*'
[08:26] <apachelogger> nope
[08:26] <apachelogger> cant think of one either
[08:26] <apachelogger> nixternal: +1
[08:26] <nixternal> apachelogger: you are correct, it is because debian likes to list out every damn file
[08:27] <nixternal> but...and a big but....Debian doesn't have these issues when they upload?
[08:27] <Lure> for these dirs, it really does not make sense...
[08:27] <Lure> that is the reason why they are in subdir, right
[08:27] <nixternal> my question is this...why is this package getting thrown up to the build servers? obviously it wasn't test built locally
[08:27] <Lure> nixternal: problem is that it fails on build-deps
[08:28] <apachelogger> well, that could even be if it was testbuilt
[08:28] <nixternal> it didn't fail build-dep for me locally, the addons package that is
[08:28] <Lure> nixternal: so kdegraphics is "fine", but kdeplasma-addons is not, as it depends on kdegraphics
[08:28]  * apachelogger thinks about a pocket restriction hook for pbuilder
[08:28] <nixternal> if my build-dep fails, pbuilder kicks out right away with the error code
[08:28] <apachelogger> I imagine even if testbuilt a universe dep could slip in and thus cause build-wait on the buildds
[08:29] <nixternal> the code never makes sense, but it at least tells me which package it failed on
[08:30] <apachelogger> so
[08:30] <Lure> so, should we go debian way or more pragmatic way (there are 5 -dev packages in kdegraphics)
[08:30] <apachelogger> a) do-release-upgrade needs a desktop file for fancyness when launching with kdesudo
[08:31] <nixternal> Lure: we have to stay the debian way somewhat, otherwise merges become a bigger pain than they already are
[08:31] <apachelogger> b) we need to backport a fix to enable kpk to export a env var so that a dist-upgrade script can check this
[08:31] <apachelogger> c) we need to make the pk dist-upgrade script do that
[08:31] <Lure> nixternal: ok, will then add list of missing files to bzr
[08:31] <nixternal> I would love to find a happy medium...I would love to ship kick ass packages, I don't care how they were built :)
[08:31] <apachelogger> d) we need to kill off the upgrade checking of update-notifier-kde in karmic
[08:32]  * apachelogger does not think that the chain of a to d qualifies for SRU :D
[08:32]  * Lure checks all 5 -dev packages
[08:33]  * apachelogger would be interested if the list-missing magic did fail
[08:35] <nixternal> right, list-missing has been hit or miss with me in the past
[08:38] <apachelogger> I noticed that too, I didnt find out why though
[08:38]  * apachelogger should just reimplement in ruby :P
[08:45] <Lure> apachelogger, nixternal, Riddell, ScottK: kdegraphics fix for -dev packages pushed to bzr - should fix kdeplasma-addons build
[08:46] <nixternal> groovy...I will go ahead and grab it, then uplaod it
[08:47] <Lure> and I have again forgot to add UNRELEASED, but you got the point ;-)
[08:47] <Lure> nixternal: thanks
[08:52] <nixternal> Lure: I forget to add it all of the time, but it is going straight for upload
[09:07] <Lure> Riddell: I am missing sandals on the knitware picture ;-)
[09:11] <apachelogger> hehe
[09:12] <apachelogger> nixternal: Lure: indeed IMHO UNRELEASED only makes sense when no immediate upload is happening
[09:12] <apachelogger> i.e. to prevent people from creating a new version when the current one is not even uploaded yet
[09:13] <Quintasan|Szel> hello
[09:15] <davmor2> Riddell: nice blog post and pic boy it looks cold up there.  I'll let Sue see it, it'll cheer her up immensely :)
[09:28] <nixternal> Rejected:
[09:28] <nixternal> <lp.archiveuploader.permission.CannotUploadToPocket object at 0x7792ed0>
[09:28] <nixternal> Lure: ^^ kdegraphics was rejected for that reason
[09:34] <nixternal> Lure, apachelogger, ScottK, Riddell: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/93441  <- kdegraphics was rejected due to:  <lp.archiveuploader.permission.CannotUploadToPocket object at 0x7792ed0>
[09:34]  * nixternal goes to bed
[09:34] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:35] <ghostcube> morning
[09:44] <Mamarok> Riddell: about kubuntu-users: since I sent some of the 4 yorkshiremen off-topicres to sounder, they are making sounder going berserk
[09:44] <Mamarok> but Kubuntu-users has pretty much turned into something useful now
[09:45] <Mamarok> but it really needs heavy moderation and vigilance
[10:25] <jussi01> Riddell: nice jumper! :D
[10:34] <Tm_T> Mamarok: appreciate your hard work (:
[10:35] <ghostcube> heh everyone knows bofh ? i got a new one for kubuntu users and devs
[10:35] <ghostcube> COFE
[10:35] <ghostcube> chief operator from earth :P
[10:50] <Mamarok> Tm_T: thanks :)
[11:11] <Mamarok> I don't remember, but I think we did point you folks to this problem with glibc, right? -> http://www.purinchu.net/wp/2009/11/16/malloc_check_-crashes/
[11:12] <Mamarok> we have a lot of crash reports with Amarok because of that
[11:12] <Mamarok> Riddell: ^^
[11:17] <Sput> half of KDE crashes with that
[11:18] <Sput> easiest fix: MALLOC_CHECK_=
[11:18] <Sput> (e.g. in $KDEHOME/env)
[11:20] <Lure> Riddell: it seems I was able to trick nixternal to try to upload kdegraphics to karmic instead of lucid. Have marked as UNRELEASED in bzr. Can you grab and upload to lucid?
[11:36] <ScottK> Lure: You test built this?
[11:45] <apachelogger> malloc \o/
[11:45] <apachelogger> *file_path = malloc(strlen(argv[1] + 3) + 1);
[11:45] <apachelogger> all I say regarding that matter :P
[11:45] <Quintasan|Szel> new > malloc
[11:45] <Quintasan|Szel> :P
[11:47]  * apachelogger tends to disagree
[11:48]  * apachelogger contineus with   if(*file_path == NULL)
[11:48] <apachelogger>     return ERR_CODE_OUT_OF_MEM;
[11:48] <Quintasan|Szel> well whatever, I need to work on project neon files :P
[11:48] <ScottK> Lure: Uploaded.
[11:48] <apachelogger> oh my, that is still not done? :P
[11:49] <ScottK> Riddell: You can ignore Lure's plea for an upload.
[11:49] <Quintasan|Szel> apachelogger: I will do it from Riddell's computer in back room sice my connection is a PITA
[11:49] <apachelogger> hehe
[11:50] <apachelogger> supporting my claim that soyus is currently unfitted for daily builds
[11:50] <Quintasan|Szel> uploading 150 MB with 20kb/s will take hell lot of time
[11:50] <Quintasan|Szel> at thats only libs '
[11:50] <Riddell> ScottK: ok, thanks
[11:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan|Szel: what libs is that?
[11:50] <Riddell> Quintasan|Szel: I'll need to turn it on when you want it
[11:50] <Quintasan|Szel> apachelogger: amarok-nightly-kdesupport :P
[11:51] <apachelogger> now that is really pics :P
[11:51] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we will need rebuilds of digikam, kipi-plugins, and kdeplasma-addons after the kdegraphics upload I just did gets built.
[11:51] <apachelogger> even though oxygen is just one big load of pixels and vectors :P
[11:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan|Szel: that said, you probably could strip the SVGs
[11:52] <apachelogger> that should make the tar a bit lighter
[11:52] <apachelogger> even then I find 150 a bit on the heavy side
[11:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you have a look at the most recent kdeplasma-addons build failure?  When we were testing it, we had marble from KDE 4.3 (as EDU was late).  It seems not to like the 4.3.80 marble.
[11:52] <Riddell> can do
[11:52] <ScottK> Thanks.
[11:53] <ScottK> Riddell: I also just did a meta upload to get the new plasma-desktop package in kubuntu-desktop.
[11:54] <ScottK> Also dropped lpia, but I now notice I forgot to mention that in debian/changelog
[11:55] <Quintasan|Szel> Riddell: I will be back in home within half and hour so turn it on by then please
[11:55] <Quintasan|Szel> WTF gluon's still building on amd64?! wtf 23 hours
[11:56] <ghostcube> oo
[11:56] <Riddell> does it use kdelibs?  could it be the issue we had yesterday with endless locales?
[11:57] <Quintasan|Szel> hmm, can't really rember now but it probably does depend on kdelibs5-dev
[11:57] <Quintasan|Szel> it built on i386 with no problems
[11:57] <ScottK> Riddell: No, it's kde support stuff.
[12:00] <Lex79> good morning
[12:00] <Quintasan|Szel> Lex79: hi
[12:00] <Lex79> o/
[12:03] <Quintasan|Szel> hm, japanese grammatic book, nice
[12:05] <Quintasan|Szel> looks like I need to plan my free time :O
[12:06] <Lure> ScottK: thanks
[12:07] <Lure> ScottK: for digikam, we also need to wait for latest marble
[12:07] <ScottK> Lure: We have it now.
[12:08] <Lure> ScottK: ok, great
[12:08] <ScottK> The problem with plasma-addons is it doesn't work with the new ones.
[12:08] <Lure> ScottK: how can this be?
[12:09] <ScottK> Not sure.
[12:09] <ScottK> That's why I asked Riddell to look into it.
[12:09] <Lure> .me checks
[12:11] <Lure> ScottK: according to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36603514/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdeplasma-addons_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz it looks like wrong version of libkexiv2 is tried
[12:11] <Lure> or you are looking on some other build log?
[12:11] <ScottK> Lure: That's true and I have a fix prepared for that.
[12:11] <Quintasan|Szel> ScottK: wait, wasn't it building properly?
[12:12] <ScottK> Perhaps I misread the cause of the error.
[12:12] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[12:12] <ScottK> Quintasan|Szel: We didn't switch to the new versions of the kdegraphics libraries (both of us missed that).
[12:13] <Riddell> it does look like it's after the wrong libkexiv
[12:13] <Riddell> I'll try it in a chroot
[12:13] <Quintasan|Szel> Oh I see, well my bad then. And it has problems with libs?
[12:14] <Quintasan|Szel> urgh, 7 UTC seems impossible for me, 5th January left then
[12:22] <ScottK> Lure: Did you do the new digikam/kipi-plugins uploads yet?
[12:23] <Riddell> kdeplasma-addons compiling fine with new libkexiv
[12:23] <ScottK> Cool.
[12:24] <Riddell> I'll uploading it build-deping on libkexiv2-8-dev (>= 4:4.3.80-0ubuntu2)
[12:24] <ScottK> So once kdegraphics is published, we'll need digikam, kipi-plugins, kdeplasma-addons, and showfoto then?
[12:25] <Riddell> yes although we don't need to wait on digikam stuff for CDs
[12:26] <ScottK> Right.
[12:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Also koffice shows up on the NBS list for libkdcraw7-dev too.
[12:26] <Riddell> I'll also upload kdebase-runtime which doesn't recommend pmount
[12:26] <Riddell> koffice needs s/-kde4// done anyway for its package names
[12:27] <Riddell> which is a job for after alpha 1 I think
[12:27] <ScottK> OK.
[12:28] <ScottK> EDU needs a post-alpha 1 update for new applications.
[12:28]  * ScottK got the existing stuff building, but didn't get to the new binaries.
[12:28] <Riddell> yeah, and MIRs for libssh and libortp (although I seem to remember having looked at those in the past)
[12:29] <ScottK> libssh MIR is done.
[12:29] <ScottK> Just waiting for review.
[12:29] <Riddell> groovy
[12:29] <Quintasan|Szel> Riddell: so we are promoting libortp? I just removed it bzr.
[12:29] <Riddell> and of course there's the phonon and kdebindings lark
[12:30] <ScottK> The shared-desktop-ontologies MIR also needs  approval (but I put it in Main anyway for now)
[12:30] <ScottK> Quintasan|Szel: We need to remove it until it gets approved for Main.
[12:30] <Quintasan|Szel> okay, I will push it then
[12:30] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we need a kdenetwork upload yet so we have that on 4.3.80
[12:30] <ScottK> (since the first one is depwait)
[12:31] <Riddell> hmm?  kdenetwork 4:4.3.80-0ubuntu2 is built
[12:31] <ScottK> Oh, is it?
[12:31] <ScottK> Nevermind then.
[12:32] <ScottK> Ah, I see it got taken care of yesterday.   Missed that.
[12:35] <Riddell> kdegraphics done, I'll upload kdeplasma-addons and then we're ready to look at CDs
[12:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please remove the plasma-netbook source from Lucid?  The binary is built from kdebase-workspace now.
[12:38]  * ryanakca grins at his good fortune, snow day today :)
[12:38] <ryanakca> Anybody interested in testing Kobby packages?
[12:39] <Riddell> ryanakca: do we have a server?
[12:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: I can setup an IPv6 one...
[12:40] <ryanakca> Or here, just a sec, I can fix my router to forward the infinoted port to my desktop for those without IPv6
[12:41] <Riddell> ScottK: vamoosh
[12:41] <Riddell> (done)
[12:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Nice.  Thanks.
[12:46] <Riddell> ug, kdeplasma-addons failed
[12:46] <Riddell> oh, maybe that's just the old broken libkexiv2-8 packages
[12:48] <ScottK> Riddell: If you're going to do another upload, I just remembered that debfx updated his brightness patch.  Want that too?
[12:49] <ScottK> http://debfx.fobos.de/kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff
[12:52] <Riddell> ScottK: wasn't planning to but I'll add it to bzr
[12:53] <Riddell> debfx: any luck getting the keys patch upstream?
[12:54] <Riddell> debfx: qt picked up the qt bit didn't it?
[13:10]  * amik pokes Riddell
[13:11] <Riddell> amik: hello?
[13:11] <Riddell> oh, reviews!
[13:11] <amik> Riddell: u said I should keep poking :-)
[13:12] <Riddell> true true, let me do that now
[13:12] <ScottK> Riddell: I know debfx asked about it on kde-devel recently and got some positive feedback.  I don' t know if it got committed yet.
[13:15] <Quintasan> apachelogger: nightly@getamarok.com <-- was gpg key to this email linked to your normal key or you had a separate?
[13:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan|Szel: seperate
[13:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I suppose you know what I'm thinking about :P
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you only reverted in 4.3 branch
[13:34] <Riddell> amichair: uploading software-properties
[13:34] <Riddell> amichair: anything else I need to look at?
[13:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, feel free to revert in trunk due to lacmk of progress, referencing my revert for 4.3
[13:34] <ScottK> Riddell: kubuntu-meta is now all set up on Lucid.  I also dropped lpia.
[13:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: 'deb http://packages.ryanak.ca/ubuntu/ karmic' should give you  the latest kobby/libqinfinity, ryanak.ca:6523 will be the infinoted.
[13:35] <amichair> JontheEchidna: should Riddell look at jockey or u have it covered?
[13:35] <Riddell> ScottK: great
[13:36] <ScottK> Someone have time to work on kdeedu?  There are (IIRC) two new binary packcages that need to be added to it (list-missing is in bzr).
[13:37] <jtechidna> ScottK: I can do that
[13:38] <ScottK> jtechidna: Great.  It'll be good to get that in soon after Alpha 1.
[13:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: sorry, 'deb http://packages.ryanak.ca/ubuntu karmic main'
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> oh, plasma-desktop needs to be added to a seed of some sort
[13:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: ok I'm connected
[13:40] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna, ScottK: MC guys told me they will try to setup a adhoc meeting at Friday 14UTC, do you have time then?
[13:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: how do I edit a collaborative document?
[13:41] <ScottK> Quintasan|Szel: Likely.
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> whoops, already seeded it looks like. /me reads backlog
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: lemme convert timezones
[13:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: I made one called "foo"
[13:41] <amichair> JontheEchidna: should Riddell look at jockey or do you have it covered?
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: yeah, I can make it then
[13:41] <ryanakca> Yep, Iam connected to it too
[13:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes, I added plasma-desktop last night.
[13:42] <rgreening> Lex79: ping
[13:42] <Lex79> rgreening: pong
[13:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Also just did a kubuntu-meta upload to get it into kubuntu-desktop.
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> amichair: I really will ping pitti today :D
[13:42] <rgreening> Lex79: kdesdk seems missing in staging
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: btw, I think those plasma applets in plasma-desktop really belong in plasma-widgets-workspace
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> or at least windowlist
[13:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: They all get built out of workspace/plasma/desktop, not workspace/plasma/generic.
[13:43] <amichair> JontheEchidna: :-P
[13:43] <Lex79> rgreening: right, I'm going to upload
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> hmm, ok
[13:44] <amichair> Riddell: thanks :-)
[13:44] <rgreening> Lex79: cool. ty :)
[13:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I split plasma-desktop out based on the upstream split.
[13:44] <amichair> Riddell: any comments/suggestions/something to learn for next time?
[13:44] <rgreening> Lex79: Im going over the failed builds and retrying where appropriate...
[13:44] <Riddell> amichair: poke harder :)
[13:44] <Lex79> rgreening: ok, thanks :)
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ok, I can accept that.
[13:45] <amichair> Riddell: and there I was thinking I was being a nuisance poking everyone in circles...
[13:49] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: did we get that patch/fix for kdebindings? Or will it have to wait until next release beta..
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> no clue what's up with kdebindings. dirk respun the tarball like twice and it still wouldn't built
[13:50] <ryanakca> Anybody else interested in testing Kobby?
[13:50] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: strange...
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> not too terribly strange; bindings don't really get worked on until after the first beta
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> due to changing apis and such
[13:56] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is konq-plugins uninstallabe? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/lucid_probs.html seems to think so.
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> It's installed fine here
[13:57] <Quintasan> ScottK, JontheEchidna: okay, thanks I would be very grateful if you could show up then :)
[14:02] <amichair> does anyone know how many alpha users are out there (ballpark)? any stats from previous releases?
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> amichair: pinging pitti in #ubuntu-devel, but he looks very busy at the moment.
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> maybe I can convince him to add ~kubuntu-dev to ~jockey-hackers so that I can sponsor the fixes to trunk myself
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> btw, that software-properties debian changelog looks just so awesome
[14:05] <amichair> I just like seeing the entire soft-props bug list on lp fit on one page now :-P
[14:08] <amichair> I hope someone on the gtk side does some cleanup too, to really bring this package to release quality
[14:08] <ScottK> Riddell: kdeplasma-addons failed
[14:10] <ScottK> Riddell: This is the marble related error I saw before.  I don't know how to fix it.
[14:10] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^ ?
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> I sadly don't either :(
[14:13] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Different issue: konq-plugins: Depends: libjpeg-progs but it is not going to be installed
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> mm, libjpeg-progs held back here, too
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> but dist-upgrade doesn't say it's going to remove konq-plugins
[14:14] <ScottK> Looks like a Main/Universe issue
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> Ah
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> Get:13 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/universe libjpeg7 7-1 [123kB]\
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:18] <ScottK> I just pinged pitti on #ubuntu-release.  Or maybe Riddell will promote it...
[14:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Will kdeplasma-addons build if we drop the libmarble-dev build-dep?
[14:20] <amichair> JontheEchidna: thanks for killing off some more issues, in real-time no less! :-)
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: the marble wallpaper plugin would need to be removed from the .install, but otherwise yes
[14:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you have time to look at that?
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: should I upload when I'm ready?
[14:21] <ScottK> It's what's blocking our CD builds for Alpha 1.
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> ok
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> that answers that
[14:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Unless Riddell appears with a fix.
[14:22] <Lex79> maybe disable marble wallpaper in cmakelists http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/wallpapers/CMakeLists.txt?revision=1040783&view=markup
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> Oh!
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan's patch makes it try to use the old api
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> removing 99_fix_ftbfs_on_marble_wallpaper.diff should fix this
[14:24]  * JontheEchidna tests
[14:24] <Quintasan> it worked when I was building it :P
[14:24] <Quintasan> Just replaces NormalQuality with Normal
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> it was building against the libmarble-dev from KDE 4.3.3
[14:25] <Quintasan> wait, I didn't bump again?!
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> libmarble-dev (>= 4:4.3.0)
[14:26] <rgreening> lol
[14:26] <Lex79> btw I said yesterday lol
[14:26] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: great :)
[14:26]  * Quintasan endures his self-hate
[14:26] <rgreening> Lex79: is that fixed in staging
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: heh, you did say that yesterday :P
[14:26] <Lex79> rgreening: is a question? :P
[14:27]  * Quintasan 's heading to shop
[14:27] <rgreening> Lex79: the marble dep above
[14:27] <Quintasan> I'd better bump then build :/
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: if this pbuilds I'll upload
[14:28] <Lex79> rgreening: no, I'll fix when JontheEchidna will upload
[14:28] <rgreening> kk
[14:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Excellent
[14:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: libjpeg7 is promoted, so konq-plugin installability should be fixed.
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> groovy
[14:33] <Riddell> hmm, marble sillyness
[14:33] <rgreening> Lex79: can you look at this? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36604228/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.kdewebdev_4%3A4.3.80-0ubuntu1%7Ekarmic1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:33] <ScottK> Riddell: I think JontheEchidna has it sorted.  Waiting for a test build.
[14:33] <rgreening> Lex79: seems there's a build dep not bumped
[14:34] <Riddell> ah
[14:35] <Lex79> rgreening: I uploaded a new version right now, 0ubuntu2
[14:35] <rgreening> kk
[14:37] <txwikinger> rgreening: Gotten snow today?
[14:37] <rgreening> txwikinger: nope.. tomorrow I think, unless we dumped it all on u
[14:37] <rgreening> :)
[14:37] <txwikinger> well... we got about 20cm so far
[14:38] <txwikinger> and people still haven't learned how to drive in it :D
[14:45] <ghostcube> have i mentioned working on balance sheets and so is not funny :P
[14:50] <debfx> ScottK, Riddell: the multimedia key patch got committed to trunk
[14:51] <Riddell> yay
[14:51] <ScottK> debfx: Great news.  Thanks.
[14:51] <Riddell> debfx: the one for kdelibs?
[14:52] <debfx> yes
[14:52] <Riddell> debfx: next task kdebase patch?
[14:53] <Riddell> probably too late for kde 4.4 though
[14:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: removing that patch does fix kdeplasma-addons
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> cool
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> feel free to upload, my computer sucks and is still pbuilding
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> amichair: jockey stuff merged. :-)
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> and now I can merge stuff with jockey trunk
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[14:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Once kdeplasma-addons builds and gets published, I think we're good to go for CD builds.
[15:00] <Riddell> uploaded
[15:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Do we need to switch kipi-plugins to the new build-dep for Alpha 1?
[15:02] <Riddell> yes I'd expect so
[15:03] <ScottK> OK.  I'll do that one.
[15:04] <rgreening> Lex79: why bumping the ubuntu1 to ubuntu2 instead of ppa1 to ppa2 instaging?
[15:05] <Lex79> to see if the packages is sync with lucid
[15:05] <Lex79> *with lucid changes
[15:06] <rgreening> ?
[15:08] <debfx> Riddell: I'm not so sure about the kdebase patch, someone who knows more about how the brightness is handled in the different layers should have a look at it
[15:08] <debfx> for example the fn keys work on my laptop without the patch when KMS is disabled
[15:09] <debfx> but with KMS enabled they only work with the patch
[15:11] <amichair> JontheEchidna: cool!
[15:11] <Lex79> rgreening: if there are changes in lucid packages I have to see every time the changelog in karmic package if is sync. With bumping 0ubuntuX I have to see only the version (0ubuntuX) to see if the karmic packages are sync with lucid changes, maybe JontheEchidna can explain better my thought :)
[15:11] <rgreening> I believe there are better ways of doing this
[15:11] <rgreening> :)
[15:12] <rgreening> i.e. bzr diff the karmic package debian dir against our bzr archive for one.
[15:13] <rgreening> sry.. I mean diff the bzr archive against karmic package (debian dirs)
[15:13] <rgreening> the bzr contains lucid changes now... and should be updated as each package is updated
[15:14] <rgreening> that way you don't end up bumping the revisions of the package needlessly (i.e. the ubuntuX part). Though feel free to update the ~ppaX and achive the same thing you are doing now...
[15:15] <rgreening> :)
[15:15] <rgreening> at least if I am understanding you...
[15:15] <seele> soooo close to the end of the semester, just one more paper
[15:15] <seele> then i can rejoin the land of the living
[15:17] <Riddell> "just one more paper" can't people spend years writing a single paper?
[15:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I whole lifetime.
[15:19] <ScottK> I/A
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> rgreening, Lex79: if you are incorporating all the changes from the lucid packages then technically you are backporting ubuntux, so it would make sense to say so
[15:19] <ScottK> rgreening an Lex79: Please do.  It makes it a lot easier later to figure out what fixes aren't in the PPA.
[15:20] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: exactly... if its ubuntu2 in lucid, then it's ubuntu2 in karmic
[15:20] <rgreening> which was my point :)
[15:21] <rgreening> using the ~ppaX to get it right for the backport, prior to removing :)
[15:22] <Lex79> rgreening: I don't understand, I bumped every time  0ubuntuX, what's the problem? :(
[15:24] <Lex79> if the package in lucid is 0ubuntu3 in staging is 0ubuntu3~karmic1~ppa1
[15:27] <rgreening> Correct
[15:27] <rgreening> 1 sec... let me look again...
[15:27] <rgreening> I may net have the latest cache and was looking at older maybe..
[15:28] <Lex79> ok, anyway, you said <rgreening> Lex79: why bumping the ubuntu1 to ubuntu2 instead of ppa1 to ppa2 instaging?
[15:29] <Lex79> this is the cause of the misunderstood I think, anyway ok :)
[15:29] <rgreening> Lex79: sorry, I was looking at the ninja PPA and didn't realize the packages had updated in archive
[15:29] <rgreening> my bad
[15:29] <Lex79> ok no problem
[15:35] <Riddell> ooh, 300 e-mails from launchpad, that'll be kdebase-runtime compilied
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Google+Chrome+Theme+'Sky'?content=116811 oooh...
[15:45] <Riddell> ScottK: going to upload kipi-plugins?
[15:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Uploaded it (I thought)
[15:45] <Riddell> oh yes
[15:45] <Riddell> just launchpad doesn't update its version number until the source is published now
[15:46] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kipi-plugins/0.9.0-1ubuntu2
[15:46] <Riddell> yep
[15:46] <ScottK> Looking at digikam now.
[15:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: please replace your released.png with http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/released.png
[15:51] <apachelogger> compressed that is ... not that it makes much diff for png :S
[15:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: you're that concerned about canonical's bandwidth bill?
[15:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: no, mine :P
[15:54] <apachelogger> or rather the $vistors
[15:54] <Riddell> I don't follow
[15:55] <Riddell> oh, as viewer of site you want to save 10KB
[15:55] <Riddell> fair enough, done
[15:55] <apachelogger> aye, thx
[15:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually, I also compressed other images too (some in the theme, so once ryanakca gets that on the servers..) the viewer will be saved about 200 all in all
[15:56] <apachelogger> which is a lot for 56k, and for rme it means snappier interwebs :)
[15:57] <rgreening> plus speedier
[15:57]  * ScottK hands rgreening a thesaurus.
[15:57] <apachelogger> lol
[16:04] <rgreening> everyone nose I kant spel :)
[16:06] <rgreening> btw, I typed my comment (and due to interweb lag) it landed after apachelogger's comment, but we in fact in response to the before comment. I already have a thesaurus :0
[16:06] <rgreening> hehe
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> the interwebs are not like a truck.
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> they are like a series of tubes...
[16:24] <rgreening> innertubes
[16:27]  * txwikinger is testing chromw
[16:27]  * txwikinger is testing chrome
[16:30] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'm building kdebindings via pbuilder, restarted cmake CMakeLists.txt && make manually and that seems to be building. Seems the debian/ubuntu build env has some issue...
[16:30] <rgreening> any ideas on how to troubleshoot that?
[16:31] <rgreening> ScottK, Riddell ^
[16:31] <davmor2> txwikinger: I'd say it failed if it didn't notice a misspelling of it's own name ;)
[16:31] <ScottK> rgreening: I wouldn't worry about bindings now, that's still my suggestion.
[16:31] <txwikinger> davmor2: Well.. quassel != chrome
[16:31] <davmor2> txwikinger: :D
[16:32] <rgreening> ScottK: well, if its a build issue, then I'd like to resolve... as it seems it may not be a bindings issue.
[16:43] <nixternal> Lure: doh, I can't believe I didn't catch that
[16:43] <ScottK> digikam is transitioned
[16:44] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: I've ktorrent ready
[16:45] <ScottK> Lex79: Not until after Alpha 1
[16:45] <Lex79> ok
[16:45] <ScottK> Riddell: kipi-plugins is done on i386, so I think an hour from now we're ready for that build.
[17:03] <nixternal> haha, screensaver trojans!!! ftw...this totally validates the "forget the single click install/apt-url crap"
[17:04] <nixternal> ScottK: anything need to get uploaded or packaged?
[17:04] <ScottK> Uploads we're good on.
[17:05] <ScottK> There was something we needed packaged ....
[17:05] <ScottK> And Jon the Taco is not here.
[17:07] <rgreening> gluon
[17:07] <rgreening> :)
[17:10] <ScottK> I think someone did that already
[17:11] <rgreening> oh, cool
[17:12] <Riddell> ScottK: I'd rather use the todo page for our work items than blueprint whiteboards, just for consistency
[17:12] <ScottK> Riddell: Oh.  Right.
[17:13] <ScottK> Clearly your claims to being behind on LP mail are exaggerated ....
[17:38]  * txwikinger wonders how difficult it would be to create a qt/kde theme for chrome
[17:40]  * ScottK imagines shtylman has already done it.
[17:54] <markey> re
[17:54] <markey> hm, did I leave the channel?
[17:54] <markey> must have clicked some wrong button
[17:55] <markey> hm
[17:55] <markey> ah
[17:55] <markey> BNC got confused
[17:55] <markey> that's why
[17:58] <markey> got a question:
[17:58] <markey> anyone here using Chromium?
[17:58] <ScottK> markey: Yes.
[17:59] <markey> ScottK: with the latest daily build, Gmail doesn't load here
[17:59] <ScottK> (sorry, but today you got the sarcastic, answer the question asked ScottK)
[17:59] <markey> only "Basic HTML Mode" works
[17:59] <ScottK> markey: OK, but it's not me that runs it.  You'll want shtylman.
[17:59] <markey> ?
[17:59]  * Daskreech yawns
[17:59] <Daskreech> Morning
[17:59]  * ScottK doesnt' use chromium, but shtylman does.
[17:59] <markey> that was a bit confusing :)
[17:59] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[18:00] <ScottK> Sorry
[18:00] <Daskreech> How is Lynx? is it in a SC mood ?
[18:01] <ScottK> Yep.  It's all built now.
[18:01] <Daskreech> Hooray :) does it work?
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> it's definitely a beta
[18:02] <ScottK> lol
[18:02]  * ScottK is happy it built.
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> but it's fairly stable
[18:07] <ScottK> \o/ dpkg-deb: building package `libqt4-dbg' in `../libqt4-dbg_4.6.0-1ubuntu2_armel.deb'.
[18:07] <ScottK> Now if it doesn't timeout ...
[18:08] <Lex79> oh :)
[18:09] <highvoltage> Riddell: I wanted to comment on your blog entry, but kdedevelopers.org doesn't accept my openID login (my LP OID login)
[18:10] <Lex79> ScottK: what about this my fix? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/145
[18:10] <Lex79> after alpha1 ?
[18:10] <ScottK> Lex79: Nothing on CD now until after Alpha 1.
[18:10] <highvoltage> Riddell: nm, I see I have to link it first before it will work
[18:10] <Lex79> ok
[18:11] <tsimpson> someone should change "the K Desktop Environment" on kubuntu.org to fit the new branding
[18:11] <ScottK> Lex79: Both those binaries got dropped entirely so there's no need to version the conflicts/replaces.
[18:11] <ScottK> tsimpson: You should chat with ryanakca about that.  I think it's a good point.
[18:14] <tsimpson> ryanakca: from what I can see, the main page and the FAQ are the places that need changing
[18:16] <tsimpson> maybe changing "KDE" to "KDE Software Compilation" or "KDE community" where appropriate
[18:17] <binarylooks> currently the kubuntu daily ubiquity crashes when trying to install kubuntu lucid. is it a known bug?
[18:17] <Lex79> ScottK: are you sure? if you have those binaries installed in your system and you want upgrade from 4.3.3 there is a conflict since those binaries was moved to kdelibs from -workspace
[18:18] <ScottK> Lex79: Agreed.  You need the conflicts/replaces.  You just don't need to specify a version because it's any version.
[18:18] <Lex79> ok now sounds good :)
[18:23] <Daskreech> So beta 1 being built for Koala now?
[18:27] <ScottK> Some people are working on it.
[18:28] <Daskreech> Go ninja Go ninja Go!
[18:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Except for koffice, the uploads for the libkipi7-dev, libkexiv2-8-dev, libkdcraw8-dev transitions are done.  I saved koffice for you.
[18:34] <bmunger> looks like 10.04 is really broken.. some error with kdelibs5
[18:35] <ScottK> bmunger: Some error is not particularly useful feedback.
[18:39] <bmunger> hmm thought this was a known thing
[18:42] <Daskreech> bmunger: Nope but never hurts to be more specific
[18:43] <bmunger> had to run the command again to get the eror..
[18:44] <bmunger> says dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs5_4%3a4.3.80-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libnepomukquery.so.4', which is also in package libnepomukquery4 4:4.3.3-0ubuntu3
[18:45] <bmunger> failing there it cant update further
[18:45] <ScottK> bmunger: That is a known issue
[18:45] <bmunger> which i thought was a known issue
[18:45] <ScottK> We have an update prepared for right after Alpha 1 is released.
[18:45] <ScottK> It is safe to --force-overwrite it.
[18:45] <bmunger> can i pass it through aptitude?
[18:46]  * ScottK doesn't recall the precise incantation.
[18:46] <firephoto> bmunger: i had to remove the libnepomuk stuff... now it seems to be going. didn't try the --force-overwrite
[18:48] <bmunger> ok forced install from cache seems to be working in dist-upgrade now
[18:48] <bmunger> thanks guys
[18:57] <Quintasan|Szel> jus git
[19:07]  * ryanakca wonders why wireless connections configured in /etc/network/interfaces are more stable than ones setup in knetworkmanager
[19:07] <ryanakca> tsimpson: I'm taking care of it
[19:16] <ryanakca> Who's currently editing the website?
[19:17] <ScottK> Not /me and I know Riddell's out for a bit.
[19:18] <ryanakca> ScottK: Strange, I got a "Unable to save page because it was modified by another user" type error... *shrug*
[19:18] <ScottK> Dunno who?
[19:23] <ryanakca> tsimpson: done
[19:27] <markey> fwiw, fixed my Chromium/Gmail issues
[19:28] <markey> trick was: disabling the Labs extensions
[19:28] <markey> one them appears to break Chromium atm
[19:28] <markey> one of*
[19:39] <tsimpson> ryanakca: lovely, thanks
[19:45] <nixternal> alrighty, trying out kontact again...finally downloaded all of my email and didn't crash :)
[19:45] <nixternal> setting up shortcuts to match mutt :)
[19:52]  * ulysses__ finished the upgrade test i386 karmic -> lucid
[19:53] <ScottK> ISOs to test: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[19:53] <ScottK> ulysses__: You can mark that down in the tracker.
[19:54] <ulysses__> I can't decide that the upgrade passed or failed. I should fix the broken packages from recovery console, because after login I got a blank screen with error messages
[19:55] <ScottK> File bugs and as long as you get there eventually, I'd call it a pass for Alpha 1.
[19:56] <ulysses__> In #ubuntu-testing somebody said me that error messages was bug 491775
[19:59] <ulysses__> aham, same error, I don't need to report it
[19:59] <binarylooks> don't throw stones at me for looking please, but is it normal that the plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook debs in the staging ppa are basically empty?
[20:06] <ScottK> binarylooks: Look at the ones in the archive for Lucid and if the contents are different, that's  a problem.
[20:06] <binarylooks> i'll check...
[20:06] <ScottK> binarylooks: I assume you're looking at Karmic.  You can ignore staging for Lucid
[20:07] <binarylooks> ScottK: yes I am
[20:07] <ulysses__> Okay, I am ready with a test case: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3441/84
[20:07] <ScottK> OK.
[20:08] <ScottK> ulysses__: Looks good.  Could you attempt an ISO install in your VM?
[20:09] <ulysses__> Yes, I will try the i386 (I don't have HW virtualization, so I can't run x64 guests:(
[20:11] <ScottK> That'd be great.
[20:11] <ulysses__> I need to download the CD image
[20:11]  * ulysses__ going to make tea
[20:16] <nixternal> ScottK: fyi, I don't get a desktop with any ISOs
[20:16] <nixternal> I get the black screen of death
[20:16] <ScottK> nixternal: Did you see the bug that ulysses__ report linked to?
[20:17] <nixternal> the brltty one?
[20:17] <nixternal> nm
[20:17] <nixternal> I can't say the upgrade passed either
[20:18] <nixternal> just attempted it on my desktop, and the desktop is useless, even rm -rf ~/.kde
[20:19] <nixternal> imho kubuntu isn't ready for alpha 1 testing...there are still some borked packages
[20:19] <nixternal> something about *-strigi-plugins, kipi-plugins, kdebase-* something can't overwrite files
[20:22] <binarylooks> ScottK: probably not the best time with all the iso testing. I compared the plasma-desktop.deb from lucid and from the staging ppa lucid ~200 kb with a /usr/bin, karmic ~40kb with only a /usr/share and no plasma-desktop binary
[20:22] <binarylooks> ScottK: maybe I'm looking at the wrong places, i'm not really an expert
[20:22] <ScottK> binarylooks: OK.  I don't recall who was doing those, but that's definitely a problem.
[20:23] <ScottK> Lex79: Were you working on Karmic?  ^^^
[20:23] <Daskreech> markey: Which lab?
[20:24] <markey> Daskreech: not sure which of these lab features caused it
[20:25] <markey> I had enabled several ones
[20:25] <markey> (3 or 4 or so)
[20:29] <fale> hi
[20:29] <fale> any news on 4.4b1, guys?
[20:31] <ulysses__> argh, this cdimage server so slow, 18 minutes downloading left
[20:31] <ScottK> fale: Packaged for Lucid.  We are testing ISO images now.  See /topic.
[20:33] <fale> ScottK: mmm that's fun... I'm going to download it
[20:34] <ScottK> Phone call just now from middle daughter: "Dad, what time did we say you were going to pick me up from school?" me: "We didn't say a time.  I'll pick you up some time before your bedtime." daughter: "Uhhh ..."
[20:35] <fale> ulysses__: I agree.. to me it goes at 300kb/s as avarage
[20:35] <Sput> ScottK: you got schools where your kids can hang out after classes?
[20:35] <fale> ScottK: haha that's is hilarious.... who old is she?
[20:35] <ScottK> fale: 15.
[20:36] <Sput> whoa, 15 and she still has a bedtime? :D
[20:36] <ScottK> Sput: Yes.  There are generally after school activities.  She didn't ride the bus home because she wanted to go to one.
[20:36] <Sput> ah I see
[20:36] <Sput> yeah, not so common here
[20:36] <ScottK> Sput: You have to provide motivation for them to move out and become economically self sufficient.
[20:36] <fale> here neither, but 2years ago I was in California and there it was normal
[20:36] <Sput> ScottK: that's about the best reason I've gotten for a bedtime.. ever :)
[20:37]  * fale still 40 minutes :(
[20:37] <ulysses__> me only 8 minutes
[20:38] <ulysses__> fale: which test case will you do?
[20:38] <fale> ulysses__: rsync or http?
[20:38] <ulysses__> http
[20:38] <fale> ulysses__: you mean which distro I downloaded?
[20:38] <Daskreech> markey: Ah ok I have like 11 turned on so here goes trial and error. Well I mean if I cared about Chromium at all
[20:38] <binarylooks> download finished and booting on my laptop from usb stick
[20:38] <ulysses__> fale: no, do you test the alpha ISOs?
[20:39] <fale> ulysses__: yep
[20:39] <ulysses__> and which? desktop install/live, ..?
[20:39] <binarylooks> got a login screen (tried ubuntu and worked))
[20:39] <binarylooks> ulysses__: live session
[20:39] <fale> I downloaded desktop/i386
[20:39] <binarylooks> plasma crashed, black screen :-(
[20:39] <davmor2> ulysses__: use the dl-ubuntu-test-iso.py tool from the qa ppa
[20:39] <fale> :(
[20:40] <binarylooks> alt+f2 plasma-desktop...crashes again
[20:40] <fale> binarylooks: maybe some problems with qt?
[20:41] <davmor2> ulysses__: then set it for dl-ubuntu-test-iso.py --release=lucid --only=kubuntu
[20:41] <fale> or with X at some level (like driver)
[20:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Since you got KDE running on Lucid, any advice for ISO testers?
[20:41] <binarylooks> fale: this is definetaly a plasma thin, I think it's known to the kubuntu-devs
[20:42] <ulysses__> davmor2: what's the repository of QA?
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: it should just work (tm), now that the locale infinite loop bug is fixed
[20:43] <ScottK> ulysses__: What was your upgrade bug again?
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> oh... plasma crash? yeah, the default config does cause a crash
[20:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: nixternal claims a black screen of death.  He may have mistakenly booted Windows 7 though.
[20:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is there a bug, and what's the workaround?
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, the default config makes plasma-desktop crash
[20:44] <fale> ScottK: the win7 screen of death is not blue?
[20:44] <ulysses__> ScottK: the upgrade process completed, then asked me for reboot the computer. after that, I tried to login, but I got those error
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> the workaround is to use a different plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[20:44]  * ScottK heard it was black, but isn't sure.
[20:44] <ulysses__> bug 491775
[20:44] <binarylooks> JontheEchidna: can u explain a little bit more?
[20:44] <ulysses__> this was ^
[20:44] <binarylooks> will check the bug report
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> binarylooks: not really... the default config causes plasma to crash. there's nothing you can do except use a plasma-desktop-appletsrc that doesn't cause it to crash such as this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/338274/
[20:46] <binarylooks> JontheEchidna: i'll try, or maybe i take the one from my karmic install
[20:49] <ScottK> Kubuntu Netbook images up now too.
[20:51] <amichair> fale, ScottK: There was a recent issues in windows xp/vista/7 which caused a black unresponsive screen after login, and it was termed 'black screen of death'. it's unrelated to the regular bsod (dunno what color that is in 7).
[20:51] <ScottK> OK.
[20:51] <fale> thank you :)
[20:52] <binarylooks> ScottK: This build wasn't found on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/20091209/lucid-netbook-remix-i386.iso (may no longer exists)
[20:52] <jjesse> there was the rumor of a black screen of death in windows 7 that was reported in the press/media the problem was the security company screwed up
[20:52] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[20:52] <ScottK> binarylooks: Thanks.
[20:52] <binarylooks> what did I do ? :-)
[20:53] <binarylooks> ubuntu-netbook-remix?
[20:53] <ScottK> binarylooks: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/
[20:53] <ScottK> No, the link is bad on the page.
[20:54] <binarylooks> ok, 23 min left. i'll fight a bit with the appletsrc
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> I believe the systemtray applet is causing the crash, judging by the backtrace
[20:54] <amichair> jjesse: true. some security company blamed ms update. ms blamed malware. company apologized. no one fixed the issue.
[20:59] <binarylooks> I'll have to test the netbook iso tomorrow, I have to run now. good luck with lucid and the karmic 4.4 debs
[21:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is there a bug on the plasma crash?
[21:01] <amichair> JontheEchidna: need help? what app is crashing?
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: not yet, I've not downloaded all the -dbg packages yet
[21:02] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.
[21:02] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It'd nice to get a placeholder to put on the ISO tracker.
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> amichair: with KDE 4.3.80 in lucid, the default plasma setup causes plasma-desktop to crash
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Ok, I'll file a bug for the placeholder
[21:04] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> bug 494731
[21:15] <binarylooks> JontheEchidna: I tried your appletsrc and the desktop is up now
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[21:15] <binarylooks> :-)
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> I'm glad I had that lying around. It was an attempt to show how easy it is to duplicate gnome.
[21:16] <binarylooks> can I help troubleshooting or is everything under control ATM
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> I would say that there's not much to troubleshoot at the moment
[21:17] <binarylooks> ok, i'll add a comment to the bug report then
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[21:23] <binarylooks> JontheEchidna: looks very gnomish. sme would say there is no toolbox in gnome :-)
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> I suppose one could always throw the toolbox icon behind a panel or smth
[21:24] <binarylooks> JontheEchidna: I actually like the toolbox. it somehow feels right were it is.
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> I totally don't understand the toolbox hate either
[21:25] <binarylooks> :-) Well we are visionaries then. Just like Aaron and the crew.
[21:25] <binarylooks> I really have to get going now. See you around
[21:31] <nixternal> ScottK: damn, it was windows 7 :D
[21:32] <nixternal> speaking of windows 7, and I don't understand what I am doing wrong...but it comes with this security suite right, a top dog at that...I browsed to a MSDN link, and all of a sudden I have this stupid pop-up that does not go away telling me I need anti-virus...I don't get it
[21:32]  * nixternal kicks jjesse in the shines for liking Windows
[21:33] <nixternal> s/shines/shins
[21:33] <nixternal> kicking you in the shine would require research, as I have no idea where the shine is..unless of course you are bald
[21:33] <Riddell> evening
[21:35] <nixternal> howdy Riddell
[21:36] <ulysses__> hello Riddell
[21:49]  * ulysses__ testing Lucid i386 alternate OEM install
[21:50] <Riddell> ooh, testers :)
[21:50] <Riddell> I was going to start with amd64 desktop
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> bug 494731 updated with backtrace
[21:51] <Riddell> ulysses__: OEM mode rarely works in the early alphas so don't worry too much if that's broken so long as the desktop and install works
[21:51] <ulysses__> We are testers, we must find bugs:)
[21:55] <ulysses__> first one, after installing the base system, it asked me for the new user's password
[21:59] <Riddell> that's a good sign
[22:00] <maco> thats how OEM mode works
[22:00] <ulysses__> okay, but the user don't need a name?
[22:00] <Riddell> it's just set to "oem" for the first login
[22:01] <amichair> should I be testing from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/3466 ?
[22:03] <Riddell> amichair: ys
[22:03] <Riddell> yse
[22:04] <Riddell> it's oversized so you'll need a DVD not a CD
[22:04] <Riddell> (or USB disk or virtual machine)
[22:05] <amichair> I'm gonna virtualbox. it gets trimmed down later?
[22:05] <Riddell> yes, somehow
[22:08] <ulysses__> so one more times: the default user is set to "oem", and I should choose its password?
[22:08] <ulysses__> (after instaling base system)
[22:10] <Riddell> yes, then it'll install, first boot it should auto login and you [set it up as you wish then clone to 1000 machines to sell to customers] click the icon on the desktop, next login it'll run the OEM config tool to create the normal user
[22:10] <nixternal> yikes, don't watch a flash video and build stuff at the same time
[22:11] <ulysses__> thanks, I used only once OEM, when I bought my laptop with Vista (lived 2 days)
[22:19] <amichair> hmmm. I don't see the kubuntu splash/progress screen on startup. is it supposed to be there in a live session?
[22:22] <Riddell> which one?
[22:23] <amichair> which what?
[22:23] <ulysses__> I got splash screen:P http://noob.hu/2009/12/09/upgarde1.png
[22:24] <amichair> good catch! :-P
[22:26] <ulysses__> I did my best :-P
[22:38] <Riddell> well amd64 desktop CD didn't work, KDE starts according to the startup sound but I can't see anything
[22:38] <Riddell> I blame X
[22:38] <ulysses__> i386 alternate install completed, but won't boot
[22:39] <Riddell> ulysses__: what stage does it get to?
[22:39] <ulysses__> bug 491775 again, and it hangs up on "Starting init crypto disks = to match a parent device in"
[22:44] <amichair> Riddell: I'm trying amd64 desktop too. no kubuntu splash, but then the kde splash is ok. then the infamous plasma crash. plasma-desktop-appletsrc is almost empty. adding a basic containement to it seems to work.
[22:47] <ulysses__> eh, nothing, it hangs up http://noob.hu/2009/12/09/lucidalter.png
[22:48] <ulysses__> I think this test case failed:(
[22:48] <Riddell> amichair: so you get a drkonqi window?
[22:49] <amichair> sometimes. not sure what's the difference between drkonqi and the other... but it's the gui crash handler, yes.
[22:49] <Riddell> does that crash affect everyone?  didn't ScottK say he had it booted?
[22:50] <amichair> I can also alt-f2, konsole, and start plasma-desktop again to recreate... it prints out lots of stuff saying everything looks empty, which it is.
[22:51] <Riddell> does it crash again?
[22:52] <amichair> yep. every time.
[22:52] <Riddell> and if you remove /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc ?
[22:52] <maco> amichair: drkonqi asks questions and tells you how good your stack trace is. apport does not
[22:53] <amichair> I just caught a glimpse of the darkened splash looking like ulysses__ got it (http://noob.hu/2009/12/09/upgarde1.png). wierd.
[22:53] <amichair> maco: thanks. I didn't see any questions. it looked pretty much like the old one, with the little bug icon thing and two tabs.
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: are you thinking of this? [15:41:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Since you got KDE running on Lucid, any advice for ISO testers?
[22:54] <Riddell> dunno, maybe
[22:54] <maco> amichair: does it tell you about your stack trace and give a few stars on how good it is and ask for your bugs.kde.org login?
[22:54] <Riddell> if it's happening for everyone, sounds like we should do a kubuntu-default-settings upload without plasma-desktop-appletsrc and rebuild
[22:54] <ulysses__> Okay, I closed the test report, if somebody interested in, link here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3465/68
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> I'll see if removing /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc fixes the crash
[22:55] <Riddell> thanks ulysses__
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> Crashes even with the plasma-desktop-appletsrc from k-d-s gone
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> I think that our default desktop patch in kdebase-workspace is a more likely candidate for blame
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> from kubuntu_71_default_plasma_layout.diff:
[22:58] <amichair> maco: http://imagebin.ca/view/ZYPZbEHk.html
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> +    loadDefaultApplet("systemtray", panel);
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> but then three lines down:
[22:58] <ulysses__> no more time to another test, it's too late:( I should sleep, but tomorrow I keep up working. Good night!
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> Plasma::Applet *sysTray = loadDefaultApplet("systemtray", panel);
[22:58] <maco> amichair: yeah thats drkonqi
[22:58] <amichair> maco: ok :-)
[22:59] <maco> amichair: good to see it is indeed taking over instead of apport :)
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> maybe Plasma::Applet *sysTray = loadDefaultApplet("systemtray", panel); fails because we loaded it 3 lines earlier?
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> because then it does some stuff conditional on sysTray being true
[23:02] <amichair> Riddell: I can confirm JontheEchidna's result - after deleting the defaults it still crashes.
[23:03] <amichair> fwiw, it does first show a messed-up desktop for a couple of seconds before it crashes and they disappear
[23:03] <amichair> (it does so regardless of deleting defaults)
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> ah, it loads the plasmoids that are in the systemtray by default conditional on sysTray being true
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think removing loadDefaultApplet("systemtray", panel); from kubuntu_71_default_plasma_layout.diff may fix this crash. Unfortunately my computer can't build kdebase-workspace in a sane amount of time
[23:05] <amichair> and the last output line before the crash is: "Plasma::AppletPrivate::mainConfigGroup: requesting config for "Device Notifier" without a containment!"
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> oh! that makes perfect sense
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> it tries to load the device notifier plasmoid inside the systray applet, but only the systray applet pointed to by sysTray was told to load it's default applets
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> or something :P
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> maybe not, now I'm just confusing myself as usual
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> but I still think that removing that line from the patch will fix things
[23:08] <amichair> I have no idea where the code is or what it does, but if u run plasma-desktop in konsole the debug messages seem to be helpful
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> it lives inside the huge kdebase-workspace source package
[23:10] <amichair> JontheEchidna: where is the relevant branch?
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> only the packaging is kept in a bzr, branch. you can just apt-get source kdebase-workspace
[23:14]  * JontheEchidna goes off for dinner
[23:14] <amichair> I'm on karmic
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> oh, right
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kdebase-workspace_4.3.80.orig.tar.gz
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> actually
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> dget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kdebase-workspace_4.3.80-0ubuntu1.dsc
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> then once that's done dpkg-source -x *dsc
[23:16] <amichair> thanks. bon appetit.
[23:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't say I had it booted.  I've been stuck doing $WORK, so I haven't tested.
[23:46] <Daskreech> fale: They changed it since Vista
[23:47] <Daskreech> fale: Blue was choosen early on since it was pyschologically associated with being clam and restful
[23:47] <Daskreech> Windows has long since turned that in to being assocaited with Rage and fail
[23:47] <fale> Daskreech: I see
[23:47] <Daskreech> So We have a <newcolour> screen of death
[23:48] <fale> wow